Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today...

BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today...

We won't hear anything today. It'll be at least another week, maybe longer...

BartVanHemelen said:

thedoorkeeper said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today...

Rumored press release. Heavy emphasis on the word rumored.

yeah, funny how you never hear from the ones who have the scoop, once the deadline passes

BartVanHemelen said:

Maybe on Thursday?

bigd74 said:

Maybe on Thursday?

if there's no news on wednesday, there's no tellin' what eye might do

IstenSzek said:

who the F is 'the estate' and more to the point, who the F do they think they are to decide what we should and shouldn't hear?

I don't begrudge them wanting to make a buck, so please release what you think has the widest appeal (i.e. most likely PR-era material), but why hold on to the tons of material that no one except hardcore fans would be interested in? Why not just put out a few dozen concert recordings? What right do they have to keep this from the world? (I don't mean legally).

I *hate* this dithering, the poor communication, the unclear/non-existent release strategy, the in-fighting and BS. You're sitting on a mountain of joy - share it with the world!

expertlover said:

who the F is 'the estate' and more to the point, who the F do they think they are to decide what we should and shouldn't hear?

I don't begrudge them wanting to make a buck, so please release what you think has the widest appeal (i.e. most likely PR-era material), but why hold on to the tons of material that no one except hardcore fans would be interested in? Why not just put out a few dozen concert recordings? What right do they have to keep this from the world?

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BECAUSE FLOODING THE MARKET WILL BREAK IT.

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Sheesh. It really isn't hard.

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I *hate* this dithering, the poor communication, the unclear/non-existent release strategy, the in-fighting and BS. You're sitting on a mountain of joy - share it with the world!

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Did you say the same over the past 20+ years about Prince hoarding his vault recordings?

BartVanHemelen said:

expertlover said:

who the F is 'the estate' and more to the point, who the F do they think they are to decide what we should and shouldn't hear?

I don't begrudge them wanting to make a buck, so please release what you think has the widest appeal (i.e. most likely PR-era material), but why hold on to the tons of material that no one except hardcore fans would be interested in? Why not just put out a few dozen concert recordings? What right do they have to keep this from the world?

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BECAUSE FLOODING THE MARKET WILL BREAK IT.

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Sheesh. It really isn't hard.

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I *hate* this dithering, the poor communication, the unclear/non-existent release strategy, the in-fighting and BS. You're sitting on a mountain of joy - share it with the world!

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Did you say the same over the past 20+ years about Prince hoarding his vault recordings?

Right on, Bart.

What's with these Flower Power era questions, expertlover?
Studio time costs a lot.

Paisley Park came for an impressive amount of money,
and guess who paid for it?

Do you work for free?
Or are you implying Prince's work suddenly lost a 1/12th of its value after his demise?

Honestly, you sound like someone greedy for novelty
disguised as a music lover. You can still go back to the many hours
you haven't explored yet. You know the sources. They don't prevent from buying,
ultimately you do what your soul tells you to.

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BartVanHemelen said:

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Did you say the same over the past 20+ years about Prince hoarding his vault recordings?

Yes

biatch

bonatoc said:

Studio time costs a lot.

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whose studio time? the music has already been made/paid for.

It's just rotting away...all we're getting officially is BS and all we're getting unofficially is poor quality re-releases.

What's the point?

Sell off the stuff that *might* have wide appeal and give out the rest. It's not yours to sit on. And oh...there is no 'market' to break.

I think maybe you guys have too much of a $take in things yourselves?

expertlover said:

bonatoc said:

Studio time costs a lot.

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whose studio time? the music has already been made/paid for.

It's just rotting away...all we're getting officially is BS and all we're getting unofficially is poor quality re-releases.

What's the point?

Sell off the stuff that *might* have wide appeal and give out the rest. It's not yours to sit on. And oh...there is no 'market' to break.

I think maybe you guys have too much of a $take in things yourselves?

I think I sense where you want to go to, but it's related to say, tons of apples left to rot in the seventies to control prices by regulating supply and demand.

Either Prince's music is free, either you want it to be curated.

The Studio Time it is going to take to port the whole Vault to 24bits 192kHz.
Professional mastering ain't free.

Count the same amount of hours Prince passed in studios, then add some more because I'm pretty sure some perfectionists will chime in (Bernie G. being angry is a good sign, maybe he'll do the next one all by himself).
And printing every physical issue takes money as well, I dunno, it's fairly obvious.

Yes, there is a market to break. Music critics and recommenders need a shot from time to time,
not an overdose, pardon the pun. So does the public. Again, you act like it's all yours because you buyed some records.
Good for you, but there's a reason copyrights last for sixty years. Creations of the soul have value
even after their creator's passing, and hell yeah that's fair. It proves this world gives value to the mind (mathematicians is maybe the best paid job), and not only crude matter, or raw flesh. OK, most of these mathematicians are traders, but that's not the point.
You don't want poor quality re-releases? Then Prince©®™ Inc. & Co. has to be somewhat profitable, or no one's gonna care.
It's not about profit. If you want to make profits, the record industry is the last place to be. It's about the turnover that gives the payrolls.

I don't hold any PP or Estate's share. Yes, money allows to choose the best curators, the best designers. That's the way it goes, I'd rather be under 3 years old in control, but that's the way it goes.
Either you do something resembling a piece of art (Dylan's Bootleg Series),
or you drop shit in the air, and don't care.

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bonatoc said:

Bernie G. being angry is a good sign

Can you point me to his thoughts on that set? I'd love to read 'em.

TrevorAyer said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing.

NewpowerScarfo said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing.

Unless we have real video(s) never seen before made for the song by Prince. But you are probably right about the exposure.

NewpowerScarfo said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing.

If the Wb didn't bother to market Prince's biggest blockbuster album Purple Rain Remaster. What do they care about anything else? They marketed the greatest hits package '4Ever' better than that. Even going as far as releasing a first single 'MoonBeams Levels' .

I hope you understand the heirs cant agree on any business deals right now??

There is a lot of infighting between the heirs, and between some heirs and Comerica.

This is why it is on a slow trickle right now.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I hope you understand the heirs cant agree on any business deals right now??

There is a lot of infighting between the heirs, and between some heirs and Comerica.

This is why it is on a slow trickle right now.

I'm sorry but I'm not yet convinced the estate knows much about the business side of things to begin with. And that's even if there wasn't so much infighting since P didn't leave a will. WB actually knows the business side, and even they didn't want to spend any real money on marketing. Why? Because they know the main potential buyers left are the diehard fans. Us. They know by mention a album release will be on Sept 28th (two days shy of my birthday) from a Rolling Stone article will due to get the word out. Ironically, the official releases are getting released like bootlegs from a marketing standpoint.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

NewpowerScarfo said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing.

If the Wb didn't bother to market Prince's biggest blockbuster album Purple Rain Remaster. What do they care about anything else? They marketed the greatest hits package '4Ever' better than that. Even going as far as releasing a first single 'MoonBeams Levels' .

Great point. I'm wondering are they ever gonna release the tons of concert footage Prince hinted at releasing back in the day, "The Essential Collection" or something like that. It was during his Jam of the Year tour I read some article about it.

NewpowerScarfo said:

I'm wondering are they ever gonna release the tons of concert footage Prince hinted at releasing back in the day, "The Essential Collection" or something like that. It was during his Jam of the Year tour I read some article about it.

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Haha.

You can dream but you can also count on them not releasing much because they think that the market is too weak.

I do not know what you understand by 'tons' but it will not be multiple, complete concert videos in neat box sets, etc, etc.

At least, that is my idea of what the current direction is.

No, I do not have 'inside' sources but looking at the lack of strategy or plans, or even the lack of detail for simple releases I do not hold my breath for any of that stuff yet.

3daysfromhereicountthedays

Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out (Can we work it out?)
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out (I want 2 work it out)
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
(Everybody sing) Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
(Everybody sing) Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
(Everybody sing) Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
Makin' music naturally, me and W.B

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expertlover said:

bonatoc said:

Studio time costs a lot.

[Edited 6/2/18 9:10am]

whose studio time? the music has already been made/paid for.

It's just rotting away...all we're getting officially is BS and all we're getting unofficially is poor quality re-releases.

What's the point?

Sell off the stuff that *might* have wide appeal and give out the rest. It's not yours to sit on. And oh...there is no 'market' to break.

I think maybe you guys have too much of a $take in things yourselves?

Reports from Iron Mountain was that nothing was in a state that was beyond what they could work with (in other words, not "rotting away"). I think it WAS rotting away at PP before being moved to more stable conditions.

Unless you're talking about the intanglible "rotting away" of time . . . then you're correct.

Interest in new Prince music is not high, unfortunately. Makes for great headlines and publicity, but not many fork over their hard-earned money for physical releases.

BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today...

To be fair, they never actually stated which year they were making the announcement

embmmusic said:

love2thenines2003 said:

embmmusic said:

To be fair, they never actually stated which year they were making the announcement

JUNE is a full month right? « One two...one two....very soon...very soon»....i like this new song!

So or you don't know anything either and are just trolling or you (pretend to) know something and clog this board with useless posts instead of providing info.
People come here for info not trolling.

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