Vannormal said:

IstenSzek said:

i don't really get why the wording has to be so excruciatingly difficult to gauge

it seems like it always was and always will be the case with prince releases

never do we get a straight up announcement or press release. we always have to
pick apart at the fabric of the general and vague statements to deduce what *may*
be released.

remember the PR deluxe announcement? 2 albums worth of unreleased material
etc.



how difficult is it to say 'an album', 'a group of studio tracks' or 'a live show' ? no, it
has to be 'a piece'. when have you ever heard a record label say that about a new
album, *without* mentioning the actual word album or lp?

Honestly, thàt's partly is the reason why you're here, why we are all here.

We all exactly would like a straight clear annoucement of a release with some explanation.

But it won't ever happen. And 'if' it should happen... no, it never will.

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Those tradmark vague shitty announcements, secrecy and 'teasing' was for nearly 40 years Prince's decision. It never ever was any diferent. Oh yes it was once i remember, the announcement of ATWIAD, as an album that is.

We HAD to learn to live with it. Although it remains tough, it's that purple mistique that doesn't mean shit. But, it might deliver us at least 'something'. Thàt is certain. (And yet not always)

You know what i mean ?

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But. Instead, we had tons of bootlegs, countless withdrawn projects, unreleased albums, tons and tons of live performances, live shows, aftershows, several movies and DVDboot live performances, internet websites, tons of videos, name it. Unlike any other artist out there, ever !

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I think I wouldn't want to change a thing, and the estate or whomever it is in charge these days, actually clearly isn't capable to do the same. Or, they do it on purpose. Just to keep the buzz going.

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Although at my age as a Prince fan, the buzz doesn't buzz all that much anymore.

One get's used to it. Although there will always be a little somthing jumping in my heart everytime there is some sort of album announcemnt news.

Don't U ?

and a prince album announcement still gets me as excited today as it did 30 years ago

he's the only artist i've followed this closely and simply also liked 95% of all his output.

so whenever there was some 'news' coming from the prince camp i got excited. so yes,
i know the smoke and mirrors and frustration and sometimes disappointment that came
with all those announcements in the past as well. but you're right, i wouldn't trade it for
anything else either. it was part of the whole rush of following prince.

now it's more frustrating than exciting because there is so much material hanging in the
balance and that kind of drives me nuts just thinking about what could be released

but i also know that if i just keep hanging in there another 30 years, i'll probably still be
enjoying new prince albums in my early 70s so it's all good

wait: what if it was the Dawn (1986) album or project? maybe it was further along that we know?

I am one of those fans that thinks that, by and large, Prince put his best material on the albums he released. Certainly in the 80s. Whilst there are many gems amongst the leaked outtakes, and I have made a gazzilion playlists out of them that I thought would have made a great album, none of those playlists were better than the album that actually was released. So unless there really are whole albums that got shelved that we have not heard about, it is going to be very tough to release something as good as what was officially released at the time. In the 80s anyway. I mean how do you top 1999, PR, SOTT, Parade or Lovesexy? Answer - you don't unless there really is something special Prince held back on that was never leaked.

Anything from '95 onwards is anyone's guess as i think his output declined and the leaks stopped flowing. So finding a gem from this period onwards may be much easier to do. The bar is set slightly lower and the lack of leaks suggest more music that has never been heard at all.

Rebeljuice said:

I am one of those fans that thinks that, by and large, Prince put his best material on the albums he released. Certainly in the 80s. Whilst there are many gems amongst the leaked outtakes, and I have made a gazzilion playlists out of them that I thought would have made a great album, none of those playlists were better than the album that actually was released. So unless there really are whole albums that got shelved that we have not heard about, it is going to be very tough to release something as good as what was officially released at the time. In the 80s anyway. I mean how do you top 1999, PR, SOTT, Parade or Lovesexy? Answer - you don't unless there really is something special Prince held back on that was never leaked.

Anything from '95 onwards is anyone's guess as i think his output declined and the leaks stopped flowing. So finding a gem from this period onwards may be much easier to do. The bar is set slightly lower and the lack of leaks suggest more music that has never been heard at all.

duh...HE plugged the leaks....

luvsexy4all said:

Rebeljuice said:

I am one of those fans that thinks that, by and large, Prince put his best material on the albums he released. Certainly in the 80s. Whilst there are many gems amongst the leaked outtakes, and I have made a gazzilion playlists out of them that I thought would have made a great album, none of those playlists were better than the album that actually was released. So unless there really are whole albums that got shelved that we have not heard about, it is going to be very tough to release something as good as what was officially released at the time. In the 80s anyway. I mean how do you top 1999, PR, SOTT, Parade or Lovesexy? Answer - you don't unless there really is something special Prince held back on that was never leaked.

Anything from '95 onwards is anyone's guess as i think his output declined and the leaks stopped flowing. So finding a gem from this period onwards may be much easier to do. The bar is set slightly lower and the lack of leaks suggest more music that has never been heard at all.

duh...HE plugged the leaks....

duh... And your point is what? Strange....

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

Militant said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

NewpowerScarfo said:

Militant said:

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.

.

How will we get this embedded in 'the Estate's' unrevealed strategy for releasing vault materials?

NewpowerScarfo said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Honestly, as far as video games are concerned that's a really horrible idea. You have to trust your own creative instincts and avoid listening to external voices too much.

Aside from the fact that the AC series have been creatively stagnant for a long time, I find that generally if you ask fans what they want, they'll mostly just name stuff they've already played. No one don't really know what they want unti it is in front of them.

Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

ian said:

Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

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- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the 'normal' fan/fam/* ?

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the hardcore fan?

.

Please keep in mind that the 'normal' fan is harder to convince and has less to spend.

Please keep in mind that the hardcore fan is already convinced and is willing to buy it all.

I do not know the sizes of these markets, be it in persons or in fiat dollars.

It's just a way of finding some sort of middle road to maxmize profit$.

IstenSzek said:

love2thenines2003 said:

He said in this interview that he's worked on PR deluxe...he was only a consultant and hadn't the final decision...he proposed the idea of a Box set with more unreleased material ...the 1st av 83 should have been included...he submitted the idea to keep out Velvet Kitty cat because the quality of the song ..very poor indeed....other trax (there is enough good material for this) were discarded unfortunately by WB 4 reasons unknown but he couldn't say more because right of reservation but he is very confident that a lot of this material discarded 1st (Audio/Video) will see the light of day in the future (he said that back in the day in November 2017)...so we will C !

well warners did mention 2 albums of unreleased material before the release
so we were already wondering what happened to that other album. nice to
see someone sort of confirm that there were indeed more tracks there at one
stage. and i agree about VKK. it's a nice little track but it sounds VERY out of
place among those other tracks.

I'd sooner listen to Purple & Gold than that Velvet Kitty Cat shit again.

udo said:

ian said:

Going back to Prince, a point made on the recent Peach and Black podcast had the ring of truth to me - it isn't about satisfying a small but vocal community of hardcore Prince fans who have a zillion bootlegs. It's about turning Prince's musical legacy into money. I think we should absolutely expect stuff to be released that is already "out there".

.

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the 'normal' fan/fam/* ?

- How big is the market for these old Prince tapes for the hardcore fan?

.

Please keep in mind that the 'normal' fan is harder to convince and has less to spend.

Please keep in mind that the hardcore fan is already convinced and is willing to buy it all.

I do not know the sizes of these markets, be it in persons or in fiat dollars.

It's just a way of finding some sort of middle road to maxmize profit$.

My guess is is that they want to focus more on the general public because the fans (hardcore and 'normal') will buy it anyway. What they probably want is to tap into the pockets of the general public that still buys records and make him relevant to the younger audiences because in the long run these people will spend more if they become a fan.

Just wanna say, as a hardcore fan who's mostly avoided boots, I wanna be able to buy all the stuff that you guys are currently taking for granted. As mentioned upthread, if y'all spoiled yourselves over the years, that's on you. But I'd wager there's a large portion of us fans who don't have everything (anything?) that you have, and we wanna slap our money down for it.

NewpowerScarfo said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

NewpowerScarfo said:

Exactly, in the video game world Ubisolf would send a survey by mail to fans of Assassin's Creed for their input on future releases. I see no reason why the Prince Estate\ WBR can't do the same. It can only help gadge what the fanbase wants.

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album

embmmusic said:

embmmusic said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album

What? I thought they were like half that? But it looks great but they have some junk that seems worthless. But I like that vinyl 2 disk idea.

JorisE73 said:

Actually, the Guns N Roses set is pretty much exactly the model the Estate should do for remasters.

The $1000 set is the super deluxe one which comes in a custom designed art box made of wood, leather and painted.

95% of the contents available in the $1000 version are also in the regular deluxe version, which is around $180, and all of the actual music is available in the regular version which is $20 or $30.

Militant said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Strive said:

Important thing to note.

"Full-length album of previously unreleased music"

Not bonus disc of a reissue or vaulted/cancelled project Prince put together.

Czn u explicit ur thought? Thanx [Edited 4/23/18 15:28pm]

Certain band members have said that they have recorded complete albums with Prince that have never been released. So, it could be a whole album that nobody has heard since its creation or NOT! LOL

Militant said:

Actually, the Guns N Roses set is pretty much exactly the model the Estate should do for remasters.

The $1000 set is the super deluxe one which comes in a custom designed art box made of wood, leather and painted.

95% of the contents available in the $1000 version are also in the regular deluxe version, which is around $180, and all of the actual music is available in the regular version which is $20 or $30.

Yeah if you are going to do something, overdo it. People can decide which set is for them. There are $800 lego sets (well one for the Millenium Falcon). I would be tempted to pay $1000...but I would end up getting the lower cost one. But YES the estate and WB needs to take a look at this GnR set.

I said last year they should make a Paisley Park shaped box or one that looks like the vault door for future releases of new and reissues.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Militant said:

Actually, the Guns N Roses set is pretty much exactly the model the Estate should do for remasters.

The $1000 set is the super deluxe one which comes in a custom designed art box made of wood, leather and painted.

95% of the contents available in the $1000 version are also in the regular deluxe version, which is around $180, and all of the actual music is available in the regular version which is $20 or $30.

Yeah if you are going to do something, overdo it. People can decide which set is for them. There are $800 lego sets (well one for the Millenium Falcon). I would be tempted to pay $1000...but I would end up getting the lower cost one. But YES the estate and WB needs to take a look at this GnR set.

I said last year they should make a Paisley Park shaped box or one that looks like the vault door for future releases of new and reissues.

I'd rather the music be released in a straightfoward and non-complicated manner.

We just need a CD, DVD/Blu ray. We don't need extra rubbish.

Take for example the latest NC2U release, there are too many fans upset with odd bundles and ridiculous 7inch vinyl editions. Why are be going back to the stoneage! Maybe it should have been released on cassette!

Keep it digital (whether that be download or CD) and keep it high quality (24bit).

Anything else is just useless and doesn't add any value to Prince's legacy.

If Prince never did it over FIVE decades then why do it now.

darkroman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Yeah if you are going to do something, overdo it. People can decide which set is for them. There are $800 lego sets (well one for the Millenium Falcon). I would be tempted to pay $1000...but I would end up getting the lower cost one. But YES the estate and WB needs to take a look at this GnR set.

I said last year they should make a Paisley Park shaped box or one that looks like the vault door for future releases of new and reissues.

I'd rather the music be released in a straightfoward and non-complicated manner.

We just need a CD, DVD/Blu ray. We don't need extra rubbish.

Take for example the latest NC2U release, there are too many fans upset with odd bundles and ridiculous 7inch vinyl editions. Why are be going back to the stoneage! Maybe it should have been released on cassette!

Keep it digital (whether that be download or CD) and keep it high quality (24bit).

Anything else is just useless and doesn't add any value to Prince's legacy.

If Prince never did it over FIVE decades then why do it now.

yet others want all that junk (and I agree most of that stuff in the GnR set is junk even the 7" singles... hell the vinal is worthess to me... and the picls, and rigngs, and on and on is nothing I would want... but some will)

embmmusic said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Led Zeppelin did that recently for reissues.

And that crazy Guns N Roses box set!

If anyone from WBR or the estate is reading this, for the love of God please don't release a $1000 box set reissue of one album

Yeah... I'm all for overloaded super deluxe box sets but $200 is probably the max I could go for, even if there were enough discs to justify it. And to be honest, they would have to LOAD a box set to the gills for me to even go $200. We don't need a box full of collectible stuff, we need a box full of discs.. CDs, DVDs or Blurays. I would even save vinyl for a separate release, not part of a CD box set.

Militant said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because of the level of historic bootlegging, inevitably there will always be a large contingent unhappy with the release choices. The estate and their sub-contractor may not understand the gravitas of some material. I hope they do their homework and, I would recommend they share their plan with the fan base, as this will see off knee jerk reactions with stand alone releases. As with any major franchise (which this is now), the most successful ones give the fans what they want, not what the think they want.

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

Whose fault is it that we have a bunch of bootlegs? Not the estate's. And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it. There needs to be two separate release strategies. One for general consumption and one for us, the self-important fans. We'll complain and buy it all anyway.

IstenSzek said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

Hear, hear! I'm with IstenSzek.

We want all of Prince's shit, NOW...and not later!

Is your name a play on "listen a sec" or what?