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Reply #480 posted 06/01/18 8:32am

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Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored

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Reply #481 posted 06/01/18 8:37am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored


We won't hear anything today. It'll be at least another week, maybe longer...

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Reply #482 posted 06/01/18 10:41am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored


Rumored press release.
Heavy emphasis on the word rumored.
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Reply #483 posted 06/01/18 11:28am

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thedoorkeeper said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored

Rumored press release. Heavy emphasis on the word rumored.



yeah, funny how you never hear from the ones who have the scoop, once the deadline passes smile


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Reply #484 posted 06/01/18 12:51pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored



I was kinda hope to hear something too. Some here had clearly indicated news today. Now next week. Then the week after. Feels like I’m complaining about purple pick of the week again!
Comin str8 outta Preston...
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Reply #485 posted 06/01/18 3:05pm

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Maybe on Thursday?

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Reply #486 posted 06/01/18 3:09pm

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bigd74 said:

Maybe on Thursday?


if there's no news on wednesday, there's no tellin' what eye might do

smile


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Reply #487 posted 06/01/18 10:19pm

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IstenSzek said:



bigd74 said:


Maybe on Thursday?




if there's no news on wednesday, there's no tellin' what eye might do

smile



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Reply #488 posted 06/02/18 4:31am

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who the F is 'the estate' and more to the point, who the F do they think they are to decide what we should and shouldn't hear?

I don't begrudge them wanting to make a buck, so please release what you think has the widest appeal (i.e. most likely PR-era material), but why hold on to the tons of material that no one except hardcore fans would be interested in? Why not just put out a few dozen concert recordings? What right do they have to keep this from the world? (I don't mean legally).

I *hate* this dithering, the poor communication, the unclear/non-existent release strategy, the in-fighting and BS. You're sitting on a mountain of joy - share it with the world!

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Reply #489 posted 06/02/18 6:40am

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expertlover said:

who the F is 'the estate' and more to the point, who the F do they think they are to decide what we should and shouldn't hear?

I don't begrudge them wanting to make a buck, so please release what you think has the widest appeal (i.e. most likely PR-era material), but why hold on to the tons of material that no one except hardcore fans would be interested in? Why not just put out a few dozen concert recordings? What right do they have to keep this from the world?

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BECAUSE FLOODING THE MARKET WILL BREAK IT.

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Sheesh. It really isn't hard.

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I *hate* this dithering, the poor communication, the unclear/non-existent release strategy, the in-fighting and BS. You're sitting on a mountain of joy - share it with the world!

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Did you say the same over the past 20+ years about Prince hoarding his vault recordings?

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Reply #490 posted 06/02/18 9:05am

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BartVanHemelen said:

expertlover said:

who the F is 'the estate' and more to the point, who the F do they think they are to decide what we should and shouldn't hear?

I don't begrudge them wanting to make a buck, so please release what you think has the widest appeal (i.e. most likely PR-era material), but why hold on to the tons of material that no one except hardcore fans would be interested in? Why not just put out a few dozen concert recordings? What right do they have to keep this from the world?

.

BECAUSE FLOODING THE MARKET WILL BREAK IT.

.

Sheesh. It really isn't hard.

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I *hate* this dithering, the poor communication, the unclear/non-existent release strategy, the in-fighting and BS. You're sitting on a mountain of joy - share it with the world!

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Did you say the same over the past 20+ years about Prince hoarding his vault recordings?


Right on, Bart.

What's with these Flower Power era questions, expertlover?
Studio time costs a lot.

Paisley Park came for an impressive amount of money,
and guess who paid for it?

Do you work for free?
Or are you implying Prince's work suddenly lost a 1/12th of its value after his demise?

Honestly, you sound like someone greedy for novelty
disguised as a music lover. You can still go back to the many hours
you haven't explored yet. You know the sources. They don't prevent from buying,
ultimately you do what your soul tells you to.



[Edited 6/2/18 9:10am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #491 posted 06/03/18 4:42am

expertlover

BartVanHemelen said:

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Did you say the same over the past 20+ years about Prince hoarding his vault recordings?

Yes

biatch

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Reply #492 posted 06/03/18 4:46am

expertlover

bonatoc said:

Studio time costs a lot.

[Edited 6/2/18 9:10am]

whose studio time? the music has already been made/paid for.

It's just rotting away...all we're getting officially is BS and all we're getting unofficially is poor quality re-releases.

What's the point?

Sell off the stuff that *might* have wide appeal and give out the rest. It's not yours to sit on. And oh...there is no 'market' to break.

I think maybe you guys have too much of a $take in things yourselves?

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Reply #493 posted 06/03/18 8:48am

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expertlover said:

bonatoc said:

Studio time costs a lot.

[Edited 6/2/18 9:10am]

whose studio time? the music has already been made/paid for.

It's just rotting away...all we're getting officially is BS and all we're getting unofficially is poor quality re-releases.

What's the point?

Sell off the stuff that *might* have wide appeal and give out the rest. It's not yours to sit on. And oh...there is no 'market' to break.

I think maybe you guys have too much of a $take in things yourselves?


I think I sense where you want to go to, but it's related to say, tons of apples left to rot in the seventies to control prices by regulating supply and demand.

Either Prince's music is free, either you want it to be curated.

The Studio Time it is going to take to port the whole Vault to 24bits 192kHz.
Professional mastering ain't free.

Count the same amount of hours Prince passed in studios, then add some more because I'm pretty sure some perfectionists will chime in (Bernie G. being angry is a good sign, maybe he'll do the next one all by himself).
And printing every physical issue takes money as well, I dunno, it's fairly obvious.

Yes, there is a market to break. Music critics and recommenders need a shot from time to time,
not an overdose, pardon the pun. So does the public. Again, you act like it's all yours because you buyed some records.
Good for you, but there's a reason copyrights last for sixty years. Creations of the soul have value
even after their creator's passing, and hell yeah that's fair. It proves this world gives value to the mind (mathematicians is maybe the best paid job), and not only crude matter, or raw flesh. OK, most of these mathematicians are traders, but that's not the point.
You don't want poor quality re-releases? Then Prince©®™ Inc. & Co. has to be somewhat profitable, or no one's gonna care.
It's not about profit. If you want to make profits, the record industry is the last place to be. It's about the turnover that gives the payrolls.

I don't hold any PP or Estate's share. Yes, money allows to choose the best curators, the best designers. That's the way it goes, I'd rather be under 3 years old in control, but that's the way it goes.
Either you do something resembling a piece of art (Dylan's Bootleg Series),
or you drop shit in the air, and don't care.

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Reply #494 posted 06/03/18 11:48am

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So the estate thinks it is still 1984 and each potential new release is worth millions for decades to come so their plan is to trickle it out slowly to maximize profits for the slave owners grand children ... the fans who aren’t sheep know prince has had diminishing returns for years and the best chance for any money to be made is to release as much as possible as soon as possible while all the real fans are still alive to buy it all ... maybe in some world the new NC2U made millions and topped the charts the way dolly parten topped the charts 4 separate decades with 4 versions of I Will Always Love You.... but as far as I can tell that song was barely a blip and it simply was not a good recording either ... did nothing to add to the legacy of prince or even the legacy of that song ... in my estimation the single was a flop and was the best bet at catching the public attention ... nope ... prince only has a market of die hards at this point and tge only way to make any money is to bring on the huge delux packages now before there are none of us left to buy ... they broke the prince market when they waited so long on pr deluxe and now we are getting his crappy piano medley and brand new tidal era outtakes aka crap until 2020. Way to make a dead market worse ... it really would not be hard to release a live show from his peak era if they were not actively trying to kill his legacy ... so glad for boots ... zero hope the estate will get anything right ... we are more likely to get a prince song in a diaper comercial or some gov funded pro war propaganda film or some animal murdering mcdonalds comercial, than we are likely to hear what is in the vault
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Reply #495 posted 06/03/18 2:48pm

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bonatoc said:

Bernie G. being angry is a good sign


Can you point me to his thoughts on that set? I'd love to read 'em.

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Reply #496 posted 06/03/18 3:07pm

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TrevorAyer said:

So the estate thinks it is still 1984 and each potential new release is worth millions for decades to come so their plan is to trickle it out slowly to maximize profits for the slave owners grand children ... the fans who aren’t sheep know prince has had diminishing returns for years and the best chance for any money to be made is to release as much as possible as soon as possible while all the real fans are still alive to buy it all ... maybe in some world the new NC2U made millions and topped the charts the way dolly parten topped the charts 4 separate decades with 4 versions of I Will Always Love You.... but as far as I can tell that song was barely a blip and it simply was not a good recording either ... did nothing to add to the legacy of prince or even the legacy of that song ... in my estimation the single was a flop and was the best bet at catching the public attention ... nope ... prince only has a market of die hards at this point and tge only way to make any money is to bring on the huge delux packages now before there are none of us left to buy ... they broke the prince market when they waited so long on pr deluxe and now we are getting his crappy piano medley and brand new tidal era outtakes aka crap until 2020. Way to make a dead market worse ... it really would not be hard to release a live show from his peak era if they were not actively trying to kill his legacy ... so glad for boots ... zero hope the estate will get anything right ... we are more likely to get a prince song in a diaper comercial or some gov funded pro war propaganda film or some animal murdering mcdonalds comercial, than we are likely to hear what is in the vault

I agree, they should release as much as possible while the real fans are still around. Put everything on a site similar to Npgmusicclub and let us purchase albums, live shows etc We are the only ones who are willing to spend lots of money on his unreleased music, non fans will only buy greatest hits or Purple Rain albums every now and then especially since WB has no interest to promote the stuff they're releasing.
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Reply #497 posted 06/03/18 6:37pm

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I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing. lol

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Reply #498 posted 06/03/18 8:02pm

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NewpowerScarfo said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing. lol

Unless we have real video(s) never seen before made for the song by Prince. But you are probably right about the exposure.

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Reply #499 posted 06/03/18 8:23pm

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NewpowerScarfo said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing. lol

If the Wb didn't bother to market Prince's biggest blockbuster album Purple Rain Remaster. What do they care about anything else? They marketed the greatest hits package '4Ever' better than that. Even going as far as releasing a first single 'MoonBeams Levels' .

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
No 1 thought The Revolution would start n Minneapolis but prince. "U r a slave 2 whatever U chose 2 believe".
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Reply #500 posted 06/03/18 9:31pm

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I hope you understand the heirs cant agree on any business deals right now??

There is a lot of infighting between the heirs, and between some heirs and Comerica.


This is why it is on a slow trickle right now.

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Reply #501 posted 06/04/18 1:00am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I hope you understand the heirs cant agree on any business deals right now??

There is a lot of infighting between the heirs, and between some heirs and Comerica.


This is why it is on a slow trickle right now.

I'm sorry but I'm not yet convinced the estate knows much about the business side of things to begin with. And that's even if there wasn't so much infighting since P didn't leave a will. WB actually knows the business side, and even they didn't want to spend any real money on marketing. Why? Because they know the main potential buyers left are the diehard fans. Us. They know by mention a album release will be on Sept 28th (two days shy of my birthday) from a Rolling Stone article will due to get the word out. Ironically, the official releases are getting released like bootlegs from a marketing standpoint.

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Reply #502 posted 06/04/18 1:05am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

NewpowerScarfo said:

I doubt thry're gonna put some marketing push for this album. Look how the Purple Rain Remaster was handled. I would expect the same very low key method of marketing. lol

If the Wb didn't bother to market Prince's biggest blockbuster album Purple Rain Remaster. What do they care about anything else? They marketed the greatest hits package '4Ever' better than that. Even going as far as releasing a first single 'MoonBeams Levels' .

Great point. I'm wondering are they ever gonna release the tons of concert footage Prince hinted at releasing back in the day, "The Essential Collection" or something like that. It was during his Jam of the Year tour I read some article about it.

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Reply #503 posted 06/04/18 6:25am

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NewpowerScarfo said:

I'm wondering are they ever gonna release the tons of concert footage Prince hinted at releasing back in the day, "The Essential Collection" or something like that. It was during his Jam of the Year tour I read some article about it.

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Haha.

You can dream but you can also count on them not releasing much because they think that the market is too weak.

I do not know what you understand by 'tons' but it will not be multiple, complete concert videos in neat box sets, etc, etc.

At least, that is my idea of what the current direction is.

No, I do not have 'inside' sources but looking at the lack of strategy or plans, or even the lack of detail for simple releases I do not hold my breath for any of that stuff yet.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #504 posted 06/04/18 7:32am

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Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out (Can we work it out?)
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out (I want 2 work it out)
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
(Everybody sing) Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
(Everybody sing) Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
(Everybody sing) Hope we work it out, I hope we work it out
Makin' music naturally, me and W.B

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Reply #505 posted 06/04/18 9:18am

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expertlover said:

bonatoc said:

Studio time costs a lot.

[Edited 6/2/18 9:10am]

whose studio time? the music has already been made/paid for.

It's just rotting away...all we're getting officially is BS and all we're getting unofficially is poor quality re-releases.

What's the point?

Sell off the stuff that *might* have wide appeal and give out the rest. It's not yours to sit on. And oh...there is no 'market' to break.

I think maybe you guys have too much of a $take in things yourselves?


Reports from Iron Mountain was that nothing was in a state that was beyond what they could work with (in other words, not "rotting away"). I think it WAS rotting away at PP before being moved to more stable conditions.

Unless you're talking about the intanglible "rotting away" of time . . . then you're correct.

Interest in new Prince music is not high, unfortunately. Makes for great headlines and publicity, but not many fork over their hard-earned money for physical releases.

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Reply #506 posted 06/05/18 3:12am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored

To be fair, they never actually stated which year they were making the announcement lol

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Reply #507 posted 06/05/18 3:30am

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embmmusic said:



BartVanHemelen said:


Well, it's the first of June... Patiently waiting for that press release we're supposed to get today... bored



To be fair, they never actually stated which year they were making the announcement lol



JUNE is a full month right?
«
One two...one two....very soon...very soon»....i like this new song!
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Reply #508 posted 06/05/18 3:30am

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Reply #509 posted 06/05/18 4:23am

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embmmusic said:

To be fair, they never actually stated which year they were making the announcement lol

JUNE is a full month right? « One two...one two....very soon...very soon»....i like this new song!


So or you don't know anything either and are just trolling or you (pretend to) know something and clog this board with useless posts instead of providing info. rolleyes
People come here for info not trolling.

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