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The Guardian Article: reactions from St. Paul and Susan Rogers about Prince's NC2U

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Reply #1 posted 04/20/18 5:27am

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Thank you, great read
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Reply #2 posted 04/20/18 6:16am

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Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.

How funny.

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Reply #3 posted 04/20/18 6:38am

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Very cool, Bonatoc. Thanks for sharing!

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Reply #4 posted 04/20/18 7:18am

NME01

Susan Rogers did another interview with BBC 6 Music.

Listne here (UK only, possibly): http://www.bbc.co.uk/prog...s/p064wpm2

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Reply #5 posted 04/20/18 7:43am

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NME01 said:

Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.

How funny.

Yeah I remember that from a long time ago.

But it is clear, that Prince mixes the inspiration with a romantic love.

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Reply #6 posted 04/20/18 9:49am

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NME01 said:

Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.

How funny.


I think it's probably not safe to assume all songs around this period were inspired by Susannah. The song is a lament, and she certainly wasn't going anywhere at that point. It wouldn't make sense. Of course, if he wrote it in 1987 or so, it would have a solid place in Susannah-lore.

It also kills the story by Jerome Benton that Prince wrote the song about a breakup Jerome had from a girlfriend; a claim he made in recent years.

Just a quickie note about Susannah: Many think "Strange Relationship" is about her, too. It isn't. It's about Vanity (as was "Wonderful Ass" of course). It was written way before Susannah.

The song truly is one of Prince's best-written songs. I am enjoying his version of it, too. Even the leaked version with Paul doesn't have all this original stuff in it. Paul released the leaked earlier version (with the time-ticker percussion) back in 2004 or so I think. But this version seems to have even more instrumentation on it than Paul's copy.

A note about Sinead from the article, whether Prince liked her version or not, he needed the influx of money. Paisley Park was starting to bleed money a lot around 1990. He wasn't broke of course, but he needed some positive cash flow. Her cut of NC2U certainly brought in some big paychecks for him. I never minded her version. Frankly, as a Prince fan, it was fun to hear people loving the song in 1990, then I would pull out the cassette and say "Okay but here's the real version". They were never not amazed by The Family's version.

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Reply #7 posted 04/20/18 10:04am

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TrivialPursuit said:

NME01 said:

Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.

How funny.


I think it's probably not safe to assume all songs around this period were inspired by Susannah. The song is a lament, and she certainly wasn't going anywhere at that point. It wouldn't make sense. Of course, if he wrote it in 1987 or so, it would have a solid place in Susannah-lore.

It also kills the story by Jerome Benton that Prince wrote the song about a breakup Jerome had from a girlfriend; a claim he made in recent years.

Just a quickie note about Susannah: Many think "Strange Relationship" is about her, too. It isn't. It's about Vanity (as was "Wonderful Ass" of course). It was written way before Susannah.

The song truly is one of Prince's best-written songs. I am enjoying his version of it, too. Even the leaked version with Paul doesn't have all this original stuff in it. Paul released the leaked earlier version (with the time-ticker percussion) back in 2004 or so I think. But this version seems to have even more instrumentation on it than Paul's copy.

A note about Sinead from the article, whether Prince liked her version or not, he needed the influx of money. Paisley Park was starting to bleed money a lot around 1990. He wasn't broke of course, but he needed some positive cash flow. Her cut of NC2U certainly brought in some big paychecks for him. I never minded her version. Frankly, as a Prince fan, it was fun to hear people loving the song in 1990,
then I would pull out the cassette and say "Okay but here's the real version".
They were never not amazed by The Family's version.


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #8 posted 04/27/18 12:06pm

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NME01 said:

Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.

How funny.

Yeah I remember that from a long time ago.

But it is clear, that Prince mixes the inspiration with a romantic love.

It looks like she passed away in the summerv of 2015 (in Texas) as well, maybe it was adding to his growing sense of depression that his true friends were all leaving him (or were for sale).

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Reply #9 posted 04/27/18 12:39pm

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Nice article. Thanks, Bonatoc.
One thing that’s becoming clear to me is that had very deep feelings when someone left his environment.
He was also very observant of people. And saw the best in most of them.
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Reply #10 posted 04/28/18 5:07am

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TrivialPursuit said:



NME01 said:


Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.



How funny.




I think it's probably not safe to assume all songs around this period were inspired by Susannah. The song is a lament, and she certainly wasn't going anywhere at that point. It wouldn't make sense. Of course, if he wrote it in 1987 or so, it would have a solid place in Susannah-lore.

It also kills the story by Jerome Benton that Prince wrote the song about a breakup Jerome had from a girlfriend; a claim he made in recent years.

Just a quickie note about Susannah: Many think "Strange Relationship" is about her, too. It isn't. It's about Vanity (as was "Wonderful Ass" of course). It was written way before Susannah.

The song truly is one of Prince's best-written songs. I am enjoying his version of it, too. Even the leaked version with Paul doesn't have all this original stuff in it. Paul released the leaked earlier version (with the time-ticker percussion) back in 2004 or so I think. But this version seems to have even more instrumentation on it than Paul's copy.

A note about Sinead from the article, whether Prince liked her version or not, he needed the influx of money. Paisley Park was starting to bleed money a lot around 1990. He wasn't broke of course, but he needed some positive cash flow. Her cut of NC2U certainly brought in some big paychecks for him. I never minded her version. Frankly, as a Prince fan, it was fun to hear people loving the song in 1990, then I would pull out the cassette and say "Okay but here's the real version". They were never not amazed by The Family's version.


Agree
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Reply #11 posted 04/29/18 7:28am

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anangellooksdown said:

Nice article. Thanks, Bonatoc. One thing that’s becoming clear to me is that
had very deep feelings when someone left his environment.
He was also very observant of people.
And saw the best in most of them.


very good points.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #12 posted 04/29/18 7:32am

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Purplebflogirl said:

TrivialPursuit said:


I think it's probably not safe to assume all songs around this period were inspired by Susannah. The song is a lament, and she certainly wasn't going anywhere at that point. It wouldn't make sense. Of course, if he wrote it in 1987 or so, it would have a solid place in Susannah-lore.

It also kills the story by Jerome Benton that Prince wrote the song about a breakup Jerome had from a girlfriend; a claim he made in recent years.

Just a quickie note about Susannah: Many think "Strange Relationship" is about her, too. It isn't. It's about Vanity (as was "Wonderful Ass" of course). It was written way before Susannah.

The song truly is one of Prince's best-written songs. I am enjoying his version of it, too. Even the leaked version with Paul doesn't have all this original stuff in it. Paul released the leaked earlier version (with the time-ticker percussion) back in 2004 or so I think. But this version seems to have even more instrumentation on it than Paul's copy.

A note about Sinead from the article, whether Prince liked her version or not, he needed the influx of money. Paisley Park was starting to bleed money a lot around 1990. He wasn't broke of course, but he needed some positive cash flow. Her cut of NC2U certainly brought in some big paychecks for him. I never minded her version. Frankly, as a Prince fan, it was fun to hear people loving the song in 1990, then I would pull out the cassette and say "Okay but here's the real version". They were never not amazed by The Family's version.

Agree


The Special Thanks in the D&P booklet says a lot.
The cashing in was certainly a good thing,
but I think Sinéas's hit it gave Prince a confidence boost
in his capabilities more than anything. The decade career turn is always delicate.
"Am I still relevant" and all this shit.


The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #13 posted 04/29/18 2:12pm

pnv

NME01 said:

Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.



How funny.




Jerome Benton said the song was written for him. He was engaged at the time and the woman broke up with him. He went to Prince with all of his problems.
[Edited 4/29/18 14:12pm]
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Reply #14 posted 04/29/18 2:19pm

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pnv said:

NME01 said:

Had no idea it was about a housekeeper. I thought it was about Susannah.



How funny.




Jerome Benton said the song was written for him. He was engaged at the time and the woman broke up with him. He went to Prince with all of his problems.
[Edited 4/29/18 14:12pm]


Why does everyone take what Susan Rogers says as the Almighty Truth!!! A housekeeper really? This is the same woman who said the Beautiful Ones was about Susannah.....Prince got everyone straight on that....
I say again NC2U was written for Jerome Benton about what he was going through with his ex.
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Reply #15 posted 04/30/18 1:41am

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pnv said:

pnv said:
Jerome Benton said the song was written for him. He was engaged at the time and the woman broke up with him. He went to Prince with all of his problems. [Edited 4/29/18 14:12pm]
Why does everyone take what Susan Rogers says as the Almighty Truth!!! A housekeeper really? This is the same woman who said the Beautiful Ones was about Susannah.....Prince got everyone straight on that.... I say again NC2U was written for Jerome Benton about what he was going through with his ex.


I will go with you unless proven otherless.
It's true that Susan Rogers can get on one's nerves.
On one hand she says "it's all very burry, it was constant work", and then she seems to interpret lot of stuff by observing Prince's interactions with others.
But she often forgets to mention she only saw Prince's life in the studio,
and most of the time from behind a console,
and sometimes even through video monitors.

But I'll always give her credit for the incredible dimensions she and David Z.
got out of Prince's experiments with sounds from 1984 to 1988.


The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #16 posted 04/30/18 4:47am

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pnv said:

pnv said:




Jerome Benton said the song was written for him. He was engaged at the time and the woman broke up with him. He went to Prince with all of his problems.
[Edited 4/29/18 14:12pm]


Why does everyone take what Susan Rogers says as the Almighty Truth!!! A housekeeper really? This is the same woman who said the Beautiful Ones was about Susannah.....Prince got everyone straight on that....
I say again NC2U was written for Jerome Benton about what he was going through with his ex.


Prince was a good storyteller 😂 there could be morsels of truth in each telling of the song’s roots. It wasn’t strange of him to tell multiple gfs that certain songs were penned with them in mind. This could very well be another case of that.
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Reply #17 posted 04/30/18 6:52am

pnv

scorp84 said:

pnv said:



Why does everyone take what Susan Rogers says as the Almighty Truth!!! A housekeeper really? This is the same woman who said the Beautiful Ones was about Susannah.....Prince got everyone straight on that....
I say again NC2U was written for Jerome Benton about what he was going through with his ex.


Prince was a good storyteller 😂 there could be morsels of truth in each telling of the song’s roots. It wasn’t strange of him to tell multiple gfs that certain songs were penned with them in mind. This could very well be another case of that.


Prince did an Ebony interview 2015 stating that The BO's was inspired by Vanity leaving and the movie PR. Susan Rogers for years put it out there that Prince was singing about Susannah...he was not. I do not wish to believe not to much of what she says....Prince had did another interview naming Susan Rogers.. saying do you think she know me? Do you think she know me at all.....So please be very suspicious of the things she say!!!
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