PeteSilas said:

chazz is a phoney i'm afraid, or maybe he's sincere. i did mention he sent me a facebook address for me to join, i never did, i'm not on board. I just think he's got ulterior motives along with the rest of a lot of the prince folk.

Mumio said:

He has no way of knowing that for certain.

Yep, you did mention that before and you are absolutely on the money (no pun intended) with what you've said here. Some of these people think we don't see them and their motivations but it's crystal clear.

BillieBalloon said:

Sometimes I think it just isn't real - that he is still here. I can't believe he would allow this to happen to himself. With that the whole thing is highly skeptical! We/I don't want him to be gone and that is why we still come here and will continue to because of our disbelief. If it is true, that he passed from this earth, he will 4ever be in our hearts, our minds, for his music spoke to all of us. What's going on this weekend Minneapolis? The Super Bowl was amazing - I was there the night of all the bands from Sheila E/Morris Day and the Time and The Revolution with warm hearts and freezing bodies that looked up in the Mpls Sky in hopes to see our Prince one more time. The news today only made us question this more with hopes that there would be more answers. Instead, we all are still held in a state of disbelief that this happened. For me I thought Prince would be around for my lifetime. He wasn't suppose to leave this earth before me. It saddens me greatly, and I know I share the loss with many. He did bring us all together here as a family, he was special. He had the same ? we had, the same thoughts, and he shared them with all of us through his music. There will never be another Prince.

AM

p.s. we are not alone - we share the pain, the loss, the music, and the blessing he was to all of us

take care all!

[Edited 4/19/18 14:40pm]

sonshine said:

It seems that many are upset with the outcome of this investigation that there should have been charges.

I don't find it surprising that they can't find the source of the drugs. I am supplying a link to the DEA website. These drugs are being made overseas but they are also being made locally.

https://www.dea.gov/docs/Counterfeit%20Prescription%20Pills.pdf

I think what we ALL need to accept is that PRINCE had a problem, regardless of how it started, be it pain be it an illness etc...whatever the theory, he was the one taking things. Now we will never know the absolute truth and reasons, but as many doctors NOT involved with this case have said, when you take a lot of something you become numb to it and need more, or something stronger. IT is very possible that PRINCE was not getting the relief with what was being prescribed so HE sought new sources or even sought out getting more stronger stuff on his own. I am curious have his "data" searches been seized? Meaning if or any computer that he worked on whats the browsing history? was this looked into, were things hidden. Prince's privacy at the end of the day may have been the biggest thing that worked against him, we know this, could you imagine seeing a headline of Prince checking into Betty ford or whatever rehab they have?? after years of preaching about clean living to everyone? I mean think of this guy and how closed off he was, and sorry he was closed off, yeah he jammed on stage and hung at parties, but how was his other time spent??

I had to work today, so missed the announcement as it was happening. I've not read through this entire thread. I did finally find the announcement, and cried through most of it, realizing that this was Prince he was talking about, a man who was so full of life.

One thing I was questioning through it, was why did he resort to the illegal pain pills, instead of taking what was prescribed? And then I realized that Kirk may have been monitoring the pills that were prescribed in his name. If Prince were trying to hide how frequently he was taking the medications, or just how much he was taking, then he may have only taken the prescribed amounts sparingly, and supplemented that with the illegal drugs. In this way, no one would know just how much he was using them, and no one would suspect just how deeply he had become dependent upon them.

As for why he didn't just get medications prescribe to him, go to a doctor, I really think it comes down to his image. I think Prince would have been afraid of having it get out that he suffers from chronic pain, and is dependent upon pain medication to alleviate that pain. I think that since had been preaching "clean living" almost his entire career, the idea that image would be destroyed if it became common knowledge, Prince would have done what he had to do to protect that image. And I think he was cognizant of the fact that he was considered a role model in his later years, no longer cussing, inviting younger fans (and kids) to his concerts, and he would be afraid of what kind of role model he would present himself to be if it were discovered that he uses opiates. I also think he was aware that if he came out, talking about using opiates to alleviate pain, that more vulnerable fans (those susceptible to doing and using what their idols are doing / using) he would have felt somehow responsible. Not to mention that dependency upon opiates is rather generic, and Prince was above generic.

So keeping it a secret was a multi-faceted, not going to a doctor and getting prescriptions in his name was multi-faceted. But it also proved to be the worst thing he could have done.

All of this is just supposition. I don't know if it is right or wrong, but it is what came to me as I was listening to the announcement.

What I do know for sure, is I miss him. I wish he were still here. All of this is bullshit and should never have happened. It should not have happened! For the first time in 2 years, I'm pissed at Prince.

[Edited 4/19/18 14:56pm]

Mumio said:

luv4u said:

Now hopefully folks will stop with the murder, pointing fingers and looking for a scape goat shit.

Nope, that isn't stopping at all, in fact they are even more livid that "someone is getting away with murder". The fact of the matter is that unless someone was charged with murder, those people would have NEVER believed anything said by law enforcement nor will they believe anyone else. They have their own agenda now-investigating the murder of Prince. And that wonderful cuz of his has helped push this craziness by not being clear about what he's been doing, so that's seen as encouragement by those people. I feel sorry for them, they are very deluded and I hope that no one gets hurt as a result. There's been some SERIOUS anger issues expressed in some of those groups leveled at Kirk, Tyka, the chefs, etc. I hope those people are watching out for their safety, especially right now with all going on in MN.


ETA: and sure enough, he's out there having a press conference. Good grief.

[Edited 4/19/18 12:51pm]

Who is having a press conference? I've been busy the last few hours and haven't heard.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I believe the OD on the plane was from Fentanyl... and thus the worry. I think he just risked it on the 20th/21st.

Those pills at PP were found in a black bag at PP, they were in advil bottles and such. I think he had them with him on the plane and he probably took 1. I still don't think he knew fentanyl was in them.

I think if my memory serves me right, (it has been 2 years) that his bodyguard we call Romeo, packed his bags for him and never seen anything unusual. Well he wouldn't have because they were in an Advil bottle, and he probably just thought it was Advil inside.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

So...what the f*ck was Tyka talking about?...he told her he was hopelessly addicted to drugs and she should just sit back for the next 2 years and do nothing, and one day she will get the call...and someone will say "he's gone" and she will know exactly what that meant...he fatally overdosed...Just one of the millions of things that does not compute...

YES....she needs to start talking and explaining, especially as she claims to love the fans so much.....

[Edited 4/19/18 15:11pm]

cloveringold85 said:

sonshine said:

They had Prince's medical records. There is no eviden e of any other chronic or acute illness. It was syated that he was dealing with significant long term hip pain and got addicted. Why isn't that enough of an illness for some people?!? Why does there have to be something more than that??? I just don't understand that. He was sick. He did have a serious condition. He was dependent upon opiates. There would be no reason to not disclose other disease if it were so. No mention was made of any other contributing or co-inciding health concerns or conditions. They would have considered any other health issues to have some role in it if only coincidental. The fact that none were mentioned proves there weren't any.

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Yes, but the question remains.....why get street drugs when you can get a legitimate Rx from your doctor? If Prince was taking street drugs at that point, with God knows what's in them, then why would he even bother seeing Dr. Schulenberg? If he was already at that state, then what would be the point in that? He was playing Russian Roulette with his life.

Because they have made the legal drugs almost impossible to get. The people that really need them can no longer get them.

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I believe the OD on the plane was from Fentanyl... and thus the worry. I think he just risked it on the 20th/21st.

Those pills at PP were found in a black bag at PP, they were in advil bottles and such. I think he had them with him on the plane and he probably took 1. I still don't think he knew fentanyl was in them.

I think if my memory serves me right, (it has been 2 years) that his bodyguard we call Romeo, packed his bags for him and never seen anything unusual. Well he wouldn't have because they were in an Advil bottle, and he probably just thought it was Advil inside.

I thought it was interesting that the DA said the pills were in bottles in his living quarters and 1 pill was in his bed. I wonder did he take a pill, get up, get in the elevator to do work downstairs?

sonshine said:

They had Prince's medical records. There is no eviden e of any other chronic or acute illness. It was syated that he was dealing with significant long term hip pain and got addicted. Why isn't that enough of an illness for some people?!? Why does there have to be something more than that??? I just don't understand that. He was sick. He did have a serious condition. He was dependent upon opiates. There would be no reason to not disclose other disease if it were so. No mention was made of any other contributing or co-inciding health concerns or conditions. They would have considered any other health issues to have some role in it if only coincidental. The fact that none were mentioned proves there weren't any.

Thanks sonshine. That is what I've been trying to say, but I put it badly.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

So you think it's Chaka? Is that what you are trying to say Chocolate?

lastdecember said:

I think what we ALL need to accept is that PRINCE had a problem, regardless of how it started, be it pain be it an illness etc...whatever the theory, he was the one taking things. Now we will never know the absolute truth and reasons, but as many doctors NOT involved with this case have said, when you take a lot of something you become numb to it and need more, or something stronger. IT is very possible that PRINCE was not getting the relief with what was being prescribed so HE sought new sources or even sought out getting more stronger stuff on his own. I am curious have his "data" searches been seized? Meaning if or any computer that he worked on whats the browsing history? was this looked into, were things hidden. Prince's privacy at the end of the day may have been the biggest thing that worked against him, we know this, could you imagine seeing a headline of Prince checking into Betty ford or whatever rehab they have?? after years of preaching about clean living to everyone? I mean think of this guy and how closed off he was, and sorry he was closed off, yeah he jammed on stage and hung at parties, but how was his other time spent??

Yup. End of story. If only Prince would have accepted that he had a problem sooner...

WARNING: ABC News is going to show pictures of things never seen at PP, if you don't want to see them, don't watch ABC Nightly News.

WARNING:

TMZ RELEASES VIDEO OF SCENE OF PRINCE'S DEATH, HIS BODY IS BLURRED OUT:

http://www.tmz.com/

PRINCECOPS RELEASE VIDEO ... His Vault

[Edited 4/19/18 15:34pm]

feeluupp said:

Police found a bag (looks like bank bag) in the Vault, with Opium written on the outside of it.

Only P had the code to the vault.

They showed the bag on the news.

[Edited 4/19/18 15:38pm]

Cops just released video shot inside Prince's home the day they found him dead.

The Carver County Sheriff's Dept. is releasing all the records from its investigation on the heels of the County prosecutor announcing there will be no criminal charges in Prince's death. Those records include the videos and photos shot all over Paisley Park on April 21, 2016.

As we've reported, Prince was found lying on his back in front of an elevator door in the home. We've chosen not to show the image of his body.

The rest of the video gives you the point of view cops had as they entered the room where he was found. Dozens of Prince's records are on the walls in an extremely bright room.

There also photos inside his legendary vault showing recordings, large sums of cash and recording equipment stacked on shelves.

One pic shows a white powdery substance spilled out on a table with a bent spoon placed next to it.

Silvertongue7 said:

feeluupp said:

WARNING:

TMZ RELEASES VIDEO OF SCENE OF PRINCE'S DEATH, HIS BODY IS BLURRED OUT:

http://www.tmz.com/

This is disgusting. I’m not going to watch it and I do not understand how it can be in the public interest to release something like that - whether that’s the law or not.

Good thing TMZ 'chose' to not show the death scene. It would be in bad taste if this junk rag did.

^^ The NBC Nightly News just showed a snippet with some blurred out parts. Shocking, wasn't ready for that at all.

Nbc News showed the photo of his body this evening.

luv4u said:

Silvertongue7 said:

feeluupp said: This is disgusting. I’m not going to watch it and I do not understand how it can be in the public interest to release something like that - whether that’s the law or not.

Good thing TMZ 'chose' to not show the death scene. It would be in bad taste if this junk rag did.

I agree... But somewhere somebody has the footage and I pray that no video or actual picture of him deceased leaks... Like the one of MJ laying dead on the gurny at the hospital.

benni said:

I had to work today, so missed the announcement as it was happening. I've not read through this entire thread. I did finally find the announcement, and cried through most of it, realizing that this was Prince he was talking about, a man who was so full of life.

One thing I was questioning through it, was why did he resort to the illegal pain pills, instead of taking what was prescribed? And then I realized that Kirk may have been monitoring the pills that were prescribed in his name. If Prince were trying to hide how frequently he was taking the medications, or just how much he was taking, then he may have only taken the prescribed amounts sparingly, and supplemented that with the illegal drugs. In this way, no one would know just how much he was using them, and no one would suspect just how deeply he had become dependent upon them.

As for why he didn't just get medications prescribe to him, go to a doctor, I really think it comes down to his image. I think Prince would have been afraid of having it get out that he suffers from chronic pain, and is dependent upon pain medication to alleviate that pain. I think that since had been preaching "clean living" almost his entire career, the idea that image would be destroyed if it became common knowledge, Prince would have done what he had to do to protect that image. And I think he was cognizant of the fact that he was considered a role model in his later years, no longer cussing, inviting younger fans (and kids) to his concerts, and he would be afraid of what kind of role model he would present himself to be if it were discovered that he uses opiates. I also think he was aware that if he came out, talking about using opiates to alleviate pain, that more vulnerable fans (those susceptible to doing and using what their idols are doing / using) he would have felt somehow responsible. Not to mention that dependency upon opiates is rather generic, and Prince was above generic.

So keeping it a secret was a multi-faceted, not going to a doctor and getting prescriptions in his name was multi-faceted. But it also proved to be the worst thing he could have done.

All of this is just supposition. I don't know if it is right or wrong, but it is what came to me as I was listening to the announcement.

What I do know for sure, is I miss him. I wish he were still here. All of this is bullshit and should never have happened. It should not have happened! For the first time in 2 years, I'm pissed at Prince.

[Edited 4/19/18 14:56pm]

I don't believe he could do much without the pills, like he couldn't live normal life even. The way I'd heard it was that he's been more or less addicted to something or another since 85. Whatever happened with his shoulder, they told me directly they couldn't play guitar without, err, assistance.

Some of the other stuff you mentioned, is not why certain things played out the way they did, but I wouldn't say it was unlike him to have given consideration for the issues you mentioned, so those may have been underlying factors.

[Edited 4/19/18 15:44pm]

too late, it's out there. some of it was very clear on nbc.

[Edited 4/19/18 15:51pm]

nelcp777 said:

Nbc News showed the photo of his body this evening.

So did CBS, with a warning. I didn't know it was coming on because I was reading, then looked up. Still stunned.