pinkcashmere23 said:

I hate to be cynical but I can't help myself. She said that cute story about her kid but then I realized she was also promoting her kid's talent so of course Prince told her to teach her kid singing. A Prince endorsemnt is helpful.

pinkcashmere23 said:

cloveringold85 said:

I've listened to many of Kim's interviews and I've never heard her say anything bad about Prince. Anytime you are in a relationship with someone for as long as Kim was with Prince, you are bound to go through hard times and disagreements. They probably argued like a brother and sister.

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She speaks very nice about Prince here:

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I enjoyed that interview too.I thought the Q&A with Michael was good too and I learned a few new things about him.I thought it was very sweet what she said about her children calling him their friend and that he always told people to bring their kids and they called him "Uncle Prince."

purplerabbithole said:

Sinatra had children and a first wife who geniunely loved him and were there for him when he died. He was extremely generous too and he was the opposite of manipulative. He was bipolar though (as he himself admitted), hypersensitive, mean, moody, controlling,brutally honest, testing, a bit violent, politically disloyal, possibly dabbling in crime, stubborn, egotistical.. He was far from perfect. But when he was good, he meant it and he hurt deeply for Ava Gardner.

purplethunder3121 said:

Uh, I don't know why it is harder to be a fan of Prince's music than it was in the 80s or 90s. He had a reputation of being difficult, manipulative, and controlling back then. That doesn't stop me from appreciating the music that he put out as I always have. Prince certainly wasn't any more egotistical and manipulative than Sinatra, whose music I also listen to. Either the music still speaks to you and your life or it doesn't.

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Prince was equally as imperfect as Sinatra. There are as many stories about Prince's generosity and kindness as they are about his unkindness, just like Sinatra. These idols are as human and fallible as we are. That takes nothing away from their music and what it has meant to you.

But I believe the good stories about Sinatra. I am struggling to believe the good stories about Prince because Sinatra died with family and friends around and didn't have a messed up death that no one seems to care about and an addiction that somehow everyone was frigging clueless about (except for hearing rumors that they ignored years ago) . Plus, those telling good stories about Frank weren't ALL ambitious musicians/artists trying to re-establish their careers, make bank off his name, get a name for themselves and/or prompt up their own talents through his supposed endorsments. Plus, his family didn't put his casket on display like a frigging museum piece in the front entry of the "Sinatra" museum 6 months after he died.

purplethunder3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Sinatra had children and a first wife who geniunely loved him and were there for him when he died. He was extremely generous too and he was the opposite of manipulative. He was bipolar though (as he himself admitted), hypersensitive, mean, moody, controlling,brutally honest, testing, a bit violent, politically disloyal, possibly dabbling in crime, stubborn, egotistical.. He was far from perfect. But when he was good, he meant it and he hurt deeply for Ava Gardner.

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Prince was equally as imperfect as Sinatra. There are as many stories about Prince's generosity and kindness as they are about his unkindness, just like Sinatra. These idols are as human and fallible as we are. That takes nothing away from their music and what it has meant to you.

*sigh*

KB: Loud. But I guess everybody would probably say that though. A mother figure. Caring. In his way. I was in his way all the time; trying to fix his shirt, or hair, style him, and he was trying to do other things. He would be like, “Kim, can you move?” Yeah, I was always in his way. (He would say I am) funny. Charismatic. Like I said, I was the motherly one. If people were fighting with each other, he’d be like, “Kim, fix it.” That was my role.


http://www.insightnews.com/aesthetics/prince-hair-stylist-kim-berry-opens-up-about-the-purple/article_37cdf26a-39cf-11e8-b399-bff0245122b5.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Like I said, she has said in the past that he was imperfect and demanding and it didn't bother me. But that was before she was selling his socks, using "Switzerland" as a reason to stick around, endorsing her hair services like crazy, and being yet another person to say that Prince (the unbearably demanding man that she wanted to quit) endorsed both her and her daugher's talents so therefore so should we presumably. I really liked this woman earlier even when she talked some smack---now, I don't know what to think. I feel let down now.

rogifan said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Here's the one with Michael Dean www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUEf9ZGPZQg

Ok I listen to it and honestly I think it’s much ado about nothing. And her comment about being a babysitter...she was laughing when she said it. I took her comments to be more about celebrities in general than Prince specifically. I haven’t decided if I’m going to get her book yet but if the book was Prince was perfect with no faults how many people would take it seriously?

purplerabbithole said:

But I believe the good stories about Sinatra. I am struggling to believe the good stories about Prince because Sinatra died with family and friends around and didn't have a messed up death that no one seems to care about and an addiction that somehow everyone was frigging clueless about (except for hearing rumors that they ignored years ago) . Plus, those telling good stories about Frank weren't ALL ambitious musicians/artists trying to re-establish their careers, make bank off his name, get a name for themselves and/or prompt up their own talents through his supposed endorsments. Plus, his family didn't put his casket on display like a frigging museum piece in the front entry of the "Sinatra" museum 6 months after he died.

purplethunder3121 said:

Prince was equally as imperfect as Sinatra. There are as many stories about Prince's generosity and kindness as they are about his unkindness, just like Sinatra. These idols are as human and fallible as we are. That takes nothing away from their music and what it has meant to you.

But you are struggling with stories about Prince that have nothing to do with YOUR STORY about Prince. Whatever his personal relationships with family, friends, and lovers were, that has nothing to do with YOUR relationiship with what he symbolized to YOU and YOUR relationship to the music that he put out. Nothing else matters. If you are disillusioned by Prince's life at this time then maybe it is time to move on to something else...

NOtice nobody has any problem saying at least a few (or a dozen) of his flaws but when they talk about themselves, that's another story.

morningsong said:

*sigh*

VB: How would he describe you?

KB: Loud. But I guess everybody would probably say that though. A mother figure. Caring. In his way. I was in his way all the time; trying to fix his shirt, or hair, style him, and he was trying to do other things. He would be like, “Kim, can you move?” Yeah, I was always in his way. (He would say I am) funny. Charismatic. Like I said, I was the motherly one. If people were fighting with each other, he’d be like, “Kim, fix it.” That was my role.


http://www.insightnews.com/aesthetics/prince-hair-stylist-kim-berry-opens-up-about-the-purple/article_37cdf26a-39cf-11e8-b399-bff0245122b5.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

I am just trying to find some humanity that isn't just ambition, ego, and drive. That's all.

purplethunder3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

But I believe the good stories about Sinatra. I am struggling to believe the good stories about Prince because Sinatra died with family and friends around and didn't have a messed up death that no one seems to care about and an addiction that somehow everyone was frigging clueless about (except for hearing rumors that they ignored years ago) . Plus, those telling good stories about Frank weren't ALL ambitious musicians/artists trying to re-establish their careers, make bank off his name, get a name for themselves and/or prompt up their own talents through his supposed endorsments. Plus, his family didn't put his casket on display like a frigging museum piece in the front entry of the "Sinatra" museum 6 months after he died.

But you are struggling with stories about Prince that have nothing to do with YOUR STORY about Prince. Whatever his personal relationships with family, friends, and lovers were, that has nothing to do with YOUR relationiship with what he symbolized to YOU and YOUR relationship to the music that he put out. Nothing else matters. If you are disillusioned by Prince's life at this time then maybe it is time to move on to something else...

purplerabbithole said:

Her comment about him having his "asshole" days in the other interview didn't bother me. I amnot that judgmental of imperfection. I know he was demanding. Prince could have been stressed or whatever. I can take that. But her giving "Switzerland" as a reason to endure his BS and not just quit rubbed me the wrong way. I hope she stayed for more reasons than that--but I am not sure. She also took the man's damn socks--WTF is that about? She said her family and friends prayed for her and helped her though it...I would pray for someone too if they continued to work for someone who drove them crazy and made them want to quit--just so they could be a hairstylist for celebrities, make a bit of bank and hang out in Switzerland. That sounds like some shitty priorities. To be honest with you, I am probably being too hard on her and looking at the comment too seriously, but damn, I would like it-- if once, just once, someone could say they loved the man or even liked the man without a career to boost or a book to sell or a ego to stroke...Damn, it is getting tiring.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I don't understand what is it that Kim has said to make U think she's "so callous" ? NOBODY is perfect.

EVERYBODY has there good and bad days. She worked for Prince for OVER 20 YEARS! She was just telling the truth that it wasn't all peaches & cream. What is wrong with that? EVERYBODY has disagreements. Plus Kim has made it no secret that she wasn't a Prince fan. She knew Prince THE PERSON. NOT the entertainer. If U can't handle knowing the truth about Prince. Then U were NEVER really a fan of his in the first place.

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I feel U totally misunderstood her logic. I didn't get that from her comment about Switzerland. Kim is a VERY no holds barred person. She tells it like it is. Some people can't handle people like that. I guess U are one of them. If U think she stayed with him just to go to Switzerland U never listened to her whole life story.

About the socks I put in a question to her about that. Michael wouldn't ask her that.

About someone having a career to boost. Prince discovered,mentored and helped MANY musicians. I had a big problem with The Revolution going on tour and I don't believe Prince was going to reunite with them or wanted to.. But I realized this is their way of honoring and greiving for him. There shows are still not the same without him. But a lot of people wanted them back together. I admit I don't like there interviews. But it is what it is.This is going to go on for a LONG time. EVERY musician Prince has worked with(besides Andre Cymone) sees this as a money making venture and there going to continue using his name for their own benefit to fatten their bank accounts. But there all talented individually and this how they make their living. So why not?

It is some people that have spoken about him without a "career to boost or a book to sell or a ego to stroke".

purplerabbithole said:

I am just trying to find some humanity that isn't just ambition, ego, and drive. That's all.

purplethunder3121 said:

But you are struggling with stories about Prince that have nothing to do with YOUR STORY about Prince. Whatever his personal relationships with family, friends, and lovers were, that has nothing to do with YOUR relationiship with what he symbolized to YOU and YOUR relationship to the music that he put out. Nothing else matters. If you are disillusioned by Prince's life at this time then maybe it is time to move on to something else...

It sounds like you are going through a rough time. Prince...and any other music idols can help us get through with their music but we can't depend on them or their stories to guide our lives (which you already know). All people are fallible, including family and friends, who disappoint us with such things as ambition, ego, and drive. We have to learn how to deal with those not so savory elements in our selves and in the people closest to us. I hope you will feel better soon...

cloveringold85 said:

I understand that need to make a living off his name.. hell, they did it when he was alive and I don't think he really cared as long as it was professional endorsements. But to also auction his socks and never leave out any self promotion that gets old real quick. Plus, the lack of outrage over his death and the unconvincing argument that no one knew about his drugs (not even Kim)...and the narrow appreciation of his work (only talking about his work if they were involved) all this stuff together is bumming me out to no end.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Her comment about him having his "asshole" days in the other interview didn't bother me. I amnot that judgmental of imperfection. I know he was demanding. Prince could have been stressed or whatever. I can take that. But her giving "Switzerland" as a reason to endure his BS and not just quit rubbed me the wrong way. I hope she stayed for more reasons than that--but I am not sure. She also took the man's damn socks--WTF is that about? She said her family and friends prayed for her and helped her though it...I would pray for someone too if they continued to work for someone who drove them crazy and made them want to quit--just so they could be a hairstylist for celebrities, make a bit of bank and hang out in Switzerland. That sounds like some shitty priorities. To be honest with you, I am probably being too hard on her and looking at the comment too seriously, but damn, I would like it-- if once, just once, someone could say they loved the man or even liked the man without a career to boost or a book to sell or a ego to stroke...Damn, it is getting tiring.

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I feel U totally misunderstood her logic. I didn't get that from her comment about Switzerland. Kim is a VERY no holds barred person. She tells it like it is. Some people can't handle people like that. I guess U are one of them. If U think she stayed with him just to go to Switzerland U never listened to her whole life story.

About the socks I put in a question to her about that. Michael wouldn't ask her that.

About someone having a career to boost. Prince discovered,mentored and helped MANY musicians. I had a big problem with The Revolution going on tour and I don't believe Prince was going to reunite with them or wanted to.. But I realized this is their way of honoring and greiving for him. There shows are still not the same without him. But a lot of people wanted them back together. I admit I don't like there interviews. But it is what it is.This is going to go on for a LONG time. EVERY musician Prince has worked with(besides Andre Cymone) sees this as a money making venture and there going to continue using his name for their own benefit to fatten their bank accounts. But there all talented individually and this how they make their living. So why not?

It is some people that have spoken about him without a "career to boost or a book to sell or a ego to stroke".

purplerabbithole said:

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

Like I said, she has said in the past that he was imperfect and demanding and it didn't bother me. But that was before she was selling his socks, using "Switzerland" as a reason to stick around, endorsing her hair services like crazy, and being yet another person to say that Prince (the unbearably demanding man that she wanted to quit) endorsed both her and her daugher's talents so therefore so should we presumably. I really liked this woman earlier even when she talked some smack---now, I don't know what to think. I feel let down now.

I don’t see anything different in these interviews and earlier ones. In the Skip interview she was specifically asked about some of the bad and the worst she could come up with is long hours and sometimes Prince wouod be in a bad mood and she beared the brunt of it as she happened to be the one in the room when he was in a bad mood. Honestly haven’t we all experienced that at some point in our lives either personally or professionally? If the worst she can say about Prince is he could be moody and sometimes wasn’t so great to be around that’s pretty good IMO.

I really don't see why Kim is getting the backlash that she is--if one listens to her comments in full context, it makes sense. She is being honest about her experiences with Prince, both bad and good. Isn't that the way it goes for most people's experiences whether work-related or family?

purplethunder3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I understand that need to make a living off his name.. hell, they did it when he was alive and I don't think he really cared as long as it was professional endorsements. But to also auction his socks and never leave out any self promotion that gets old real quick. Plus, the lack of outrage over his death and the unconvincing argument that no one knew about his drugs (not even Kim)...and the narrow appreciation of his work (only talking about his work if they were involved) all this stuff together is bumming me out to no end.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I feel U totally misunderstood her logic. I didn't get that from her comment about Switzerland. Kim is a VERY no holds barred person. She tells it like it is. Some people can't handle people like that. I guess U are one of them. If U think she stayed with him just to go to Switzerland U never listened to her whole life story.

About the socks I put in a question to her about that. Michael wouldn't ask her that.

About someone having a career to boost. Prince discovered,mentored and helped MANY musicians. I had a big problem with The Revolution going on tour and I don't believe Prince was going to reunite with them or wanted to.. But I realized this is their way of honoring and greiving for him. There shows are still not the same without him. But a lot of people wanted them back together. I admit I don't like there interviews. But it is what it is.This is going to go on for a LONG time. EVERY musician Prince has worked with(besides Andre Cymone) sees this as a money making venture and there going to continue using his name for their own benefit to fatten their bank accounts. But there all talented individually and this how they make their living. So why not?

It is some people that have spoken about him without a "career to boost or a book to sell or a ego to stroke".

I agree with U about "the lack of outrage over his death".

it's like no one cares anymore besides the diehards like me.This is a TRAGIC death and something needs to be done about it and I need to know EVERY detail about what really happened. The investigation is also taking too long. But it's a WHOLE thread already about that. But the people that worked closely around him are eerily silent about it. To the point that does make U think their hiding something.

But " The unconvincing argument that no one knew about his drugs"(besides Kirk)

I do believe no one knew about the drugs(besides Kirk). Because Prince was an extremely private person and the way he went to great lengths to do damage control after the Moline plane incident is proof that he wanted NO ONE to know about this. He guarded his squeaky clean drug-free image like no other.

"and the narrow appreciation of his work (only talking about his work if they were involved)"

Again this is why I HATE The Revolution interviews. Because they try to take credit for almost EVERYTHING he did when they were with him for that short two year period.

As for the socks I'm going to get an answer about that. I WILL run into Kim sooner or later at an event again.

Maybe if we stop giving these associates our time, $$, and the fame they are looking for, they will go away. Basically only Prince fans know who they are.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

But I believe the good stories about Sinatra. I am struggling to believe the good stories about Prince because Sinatra died with family and friends around and didn't have a messed up death that no one seems to care about and an addiction that somehow everyone was frigging clueless about (except for hearing rumors that they ignored years ago) . Plus, those telling good stories about Frank weren't ALL ambitious musicians/artists trying to re-establish their careers, make bank off his name, get a name for themselves and/or prompt up their own talents through his supposed endorsments. Plus, his family didn't put his casket on display like a frigging museum piece in the front entry of the "Sinatra" museum 6 months after he died.

But you are struggling with stories about Prince that have nothing to do with YOUR STORY about Prince. Whatever his personal relationships with family, friends, and lovers were, that has nothing to do with YOUR relationiship with what he symbolized to YOU and YOUR relationship to the music that he put out. Nothing else matters. If you are disillusioned by Prince's life at this time then maybe it is time to move on to something else...

I'm thinking the same thing. Many want their version of the man to be validated, but every single fan has their own ideal version of him, there is no way for anyone to validate each person's feelings about it. All they can do is tell it from their prespective and let people work the rest out for themselves.

purplerabbithole said:

NOtice nobody has any problem saying at least a few (or a dozen) of his flaws but when they talk about themselves, that's another story.

morningsong said:

*sigh*

VB: How would he describe you?

KB: Loud. But I guess everybody would probably say that though. A mother figure. Caring. In his way. I was in his way all the time; trying to fix his shirt, or hair, style him, and he was trying to do other things. He would be like, “Kim, can you move?” Yeah, I was always in his way. (He would say I am) funny. Charismatic. Like I said, I was the motherly one. If people were fighting with each other, he’d be like, “Kim, fix it.” That was my role.


http://www.insightnews.com/aesthetics/prince-hair-stylist-kim-berry-opens-up-about-the-purple/article_37cdf26a-39cf-11e8-b399-bff0245122b5.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Well it does emphasize what she meant by babysitting.

morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said:

But you are struggling with stories about Prince that have nothing to do with YOUR STORY about Prince. Whatever his personal relationships with family, friends, and lovers were, that has nothing to do with YOUR relationiship with what he symbolized to YOU and YOUR relationship to the music that he put out. Nothing else matters. If you are disillusioned by Prince's life at this time then maybe it is time to move on to something else...

I'm thinking the same thing. Many want their version of the man to be validated, but every single fan has their own ideal version of him, there is no way for anyone to validate each person's feelings about it. All they can do is tell it from their prespective and let people work the rest out for themselves.

You and I think alike apparently. People need to stop making Prince some sort of messiah for their lives and just learn to enjoy the music and what that music has meant to them over the years... Let Prince be human with all of humanity's strengths and weaknesses. Let us enjoy the music, move on with our lives, and include his supreme imperfections with our own...

That's very sweet.

purplethunder3121 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am just trying to find some humanity that isn't just ambition, ego, and drive. That's all.

It sounds like you are going through a rough time. Prince...and any other music idols can help us get through with their music but we can't depend on them or their stories to guide our lives (which you already know). All people are fallible, including family and friends, who disappoint us with such things as ambition, ego, and drive. We have to learn how to deal with those not so savory elements in our selves and in the people closest to us. I hope you will feel better soon...

I want to clarify...I am not making him a messiah for my life. I can't relate to messiahs or saviors. I have said in the past that PRince might have been on the autism spectrum, insecure, delusional, addicted to religious doctrine, sneaky, gulliable, suffering from abandonment issues, isolated in a Purple bubble, self-protective to a fault, had Napoleonic complex and/or paranoid. I have not sanctified this man or found him to be the answers to my problems. I just thought he also seemed to have warmth and affection for others once he trusted them, a degree of suppressed guilt, a geniune love of children, concern with people seeing the best in themselves, integrity, shyness, humility in some ways, humor, quiet generoisity, and a romantic streak. Now, I don't know what he was like other than just a pain in the ass.. I never presumed to understand him beyond theorizing, but I thought that people saw good in the man, but now... what looks like opportunism, false proclammations of brotherhood/kinship with him, and callousness from his associates where he was concerned in too many instances has made me more jaded about the creator of "Adore" than I feel comfortable with to enjoy the song and "Purple Army". HOnestly, how many people still enjoy watching the Cosby Show now that they are so disenchanted with the man. I am not saying Prince was that bad or what he was like. I will never understand the man entirely but he went from someone with a complicated humanity to something I am struggling to relate to in any way (and the associates I struggle trusting.). I realize people are a hot mess..Hell, I work with autistic children..I know how complicated people can be..but even the autistic boy I work with (who is very self involved, tempermental and awkward at times) has parents and a brother who love him and if he died in an elevator by himself, they (and the school staff) would show much more appropriate behavior than many in the Purple Army have at times. Its like the Purple Army is a band of brothers who met at a basic training and their drill sergeant was a real bastard. The drill sergeant died and they decided to find a silver lining by using the experience to better themselves, to toughen their resolve, and continue their relationships with each other, except these folks have to pretend their " drill sergeant" is a "brother." if they want to keep profiting off him.

purplethunder3121 said:

morningsong said:

I'm thinking the same thing. Many want their version of the man to be validated, but every single fan has their own ideal version of him, there is no way for anyone to validate each person's feelings about it. All they can do is tell it from their prespective and let people work the rest out for themselves.

You and I think alike apparently. People need to stop making Prince some sort of messiah for their lives and just learn to enjoy the music and what that music has meant to them over the years... Let Prince be human with all of humanity's strengths and weaknesses. Let us enjoy the music, move on with our lives, and include his supreme imperfections with our own...

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purplerabbithole said:

morningsong said:

purplerabbithole said:

I want to clarify...I am not making him a messiah for my life. I can't relate to messiahs or saviors. I have said in the past that PRince might have been on the autism spectrum, insecure, delusional, addicted to religious doctrine, sneaky, gulliable, suffering from abandonment issues, isolated in a Purple bubble, self-protective to a fault, had Napoleonic complex and/or paranoid. I have not sanctified this man or found him to be the answers to my problems. I just thought he also seemed to have warmth and affection for others once he trusted them, a degree of suppressed guilt, a geniune love of children, concern with people seeing the best in themselves, integrity, shyness, humility in some ways, humor, quiet generoisity, and a romantic streak. Now, I don't know what he was like other than just a pain in the ass.. I never presumed to understand him beyond theorizing, but I thought that people saw good in the man, but now... what looks like opportunism, false proclammations of brotherhood/kinship with him, and callousness from his associates where he was concerned in too many instances has made me more jaded about the creator of "Adore" than I feel comfortable with to enjoy the song and "Purple Army". HOnestly, how many people still enjoy watching the Cosby Show now that they are so disenchanted with the man. I am not saying Prince was that bad or what he was like. I will never understand the man entirely but he went from someone with a complicated humanity to something I am struggling to relate to in any way (and the associates I struggle trusting.). I realize people are a hot mess..Hell, I work with autistic children..I know how complicated people can be..but even the autistic boy I work with (who is very self involved, tempermental and awkward at times) has parents and a brother who love him and if he died in an elevator by himself, they (and the school staff) would show much more appropriate behavior than many in the Purple Army have at times. Its like the Purple Army is a band of brothers who met at a P.O.W camp. their captor died and they decided to find a silver lining by using the experience to better themselves, to toughen their resolve, and continue their relationships with each other, except these folks have to pretend their captor is a "brother." if they want to keep profiting off him.

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Nobody said messaiah or savior. I said their own version which would include those putting him on some kind of spectrum based on some long distance arbitrary view. Unless you have a doctor's degree and have personally tested him yourself then you are imprinting your own personal impression on him. And it's ok, we all do it to some degree. It's when you think your personal view needs to be verified or emphasized over anyone else's view and when it isn't you get pissed and start trashing people. We've had 2 years to work out the reality of things, it ain't like it's being sprung on us out of nowhere. Toughen up and stop acting like a delicate snowflake over every single sentence or word. At least wait for an entire chapter before spazzing out.

I hope you weren't referring to my post. I only meant good things with that one! If I was misundrstood, I certainly apologize.

purplethunder3121 said:

I am going to back up and stop my long posts becuase I realize people are concerned that the fans' strong opinions will drive away folks with info about Prince. Kind of ironic I am being a delicate flower, considering that negative opinion is deemed a reason associates might clam up. Anyhow, to defend myself a bit, one line didn't start me thinking that stuff-- it just was the straw that broke the camels back. these distrustful thoughts about this whole lucrative public mourning have been rising up for a while. It is not false rage at all. secondly, I didn't say that those descriptions of prince (autism spectrum etc) were beliefs I held on to with certainty..I said they were "Might have been" theories. Theories are not facts and there were quite a few different ones I contemplated because obviously we don't and didn't know the man. However, its ironic that two of his associates stated he might have been on spectrum (they don't have medical degrees either).

morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I hope you weren't referring to my post. I only meant good things with that one! If I was misundrstood, I certainly apologize.

No! But some of the rage over every time an associate doesn't phrase something just perfectly may shut things down the majority of us want to hear. I realize some folks missed out on all the excitement but generating fake rage over a word or two is just so...

Somebody did say "messiah". Its okay but it was said in reference to fans being angry.

morningsong said:

purplerabbithole said:

I want to clarify...I am not making him a messiah for my life. I can't relate to messiahs or saviors. I have said in the past that PRince might have been on the autism spectrum, insecure, delusional, addicted to religious doctrine, sneaky, gulliable, suffering from abandonment issues, isolated in a Purple bubble, self-protective to a fault, had Napoleonic complex and/or paranoid. I have not sanctified this man or found him to be the answers to my problems. I just thought he also seemed to have warmth and affection for others once he trusted them, a degree of suppressed guilt, a geniune love of children, concern with people seeing the best in themselves, integrity, shyness, humility in some ways, humor, quiet generoisity, and a romantic streak. Now, I don't know what he was like other than just a pain in the ass.. I never presumed to understand him beyond theorizing, but I thought that people saw good in the man, but now... what looks like opportunism, false proclammations of brotherhood/kinship with him, and callousness from his associates where he was concerned in too many instances has made me more jaded about the creator of "Adore" than I feel comfortable with to enjoy the song and "Purple Army". HOnestly, how many people still enjoy watching the Cosby Show now that they are so disenchanted with the man. I am not saying Prince was that bad or what he was like. I will never understand the man entirely but he went from someone with a complicated humanity to something I am struggling to relate to in any way (and the associates I struggle trusting.). I realize people are a hot mess..Hell, I work with autistic children..I know how complicated people can be..but even the autistic boy I work with (who is very self involved, tempermental and awkward at times) has parents and a brother who love him and if he died in an elevator by himself, they (and the school staff) would show much more appropriate behavior than many in the Purple Army have at times. Its like the Purple Army is a band of brothers who met at a P.O.W camp. their captor died and they decided to find a silver lining by using the experience to better themselves, to toughen their resolve, and continue their relationships with each other, except these folks have to pretend their captor is a "brother." if they want to keep profiting off him.

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Nobody said messaiah or savior. I said their own version which would include those putting him on some kind of spectrum based on some long distance arbitrary view. Unless you have a doctor's degree and have personally tested him yourself then you are imprinting your own personal impression on him. And it's ok, we all do it to some degree. It's when you think your personal view needs to be verified or emphasized over anyone else's view and when it isn't you get pissed and start trashing people. We've had 2 years to work out the reality of things, it ain't like it's being sprung on us out of nowhere. Toughen up and stop acting like a delicate snowflake over every single sentence or word. At least wait for an entire chapter before spazzing out.

purplerabbithole said:

I am going to back up and stop my long posts becuase I realize people are concerned that the fans' strong opinions will drive away folks with info about Prince. Kind of ironic I am being a delicate flower, considering that negative opinion is deemed a reason associates might clam up. Anyhow, to defend myself a bit, one line didn't start me thinking that stuff-- it just was the straw that broke the camels back. these distrustful thoughts about this whole lucrative public mourning have been rising up for a while. It is not false rage at all. secondly, I didn't say that those descriptions of prince (autism spectrum etc) were beliefs I held on to with certainty..I said they were "Might have been" theories. Theories are not facts and there were quite a few different ones I contemplated because obviously we don't and didn't know the man. However, its ironic that two of his associates stated he might have been on spectrum (they don't have medical degrees either).

morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said: No! But some of the rage over every time an associate doesn't phrase something just perfectly may shut things down the majority of us want to hear. I realize some folks missed out on all the excitement but generating fake rage over a word or two is just so...

You shouldn't go changing what you said. But imo, this getting bent out of shape over every utterance of an associate at this point in history is too much. None of these people are Prince, they didn't sign up for this, all this was thrusted at them as unexpectantly as it was us. Trying to ride them as hard as some think others may have rode Prince like some danged whoopie cushion isn't going to get you anywhere. They had their own lives and careers before this mess and in time they'll be going back to them. So chill enjoy what there is because if you haven't woke up yet none of this is going to continue on at the same pace as it had in the past. And this about them making a profit, let's get real, how many $3bills are all up in here trying to make pocket change off the man's name and ain't never met him?