I searched and didn't find anything about this. I noticed several months ago that The Family album was available on iTunes. I figured it must have been discussed here, but I ran across it again today and thought I'd mention it. Just FYI

We talked about it last year: http://prince.org/msg/7/442492

I'm still surprised that St. Paul et al haven't tried to get to the bottom of what is an unauthorised "release". It also goes to show how lax iTunes and the streaming services are when it comes to looking for proof of ownership re whoever uploaded them. It would have been done through an aggregator whereas WB have direct links with digital services.

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

jjam said:

I'm still surprised that St. Paul et al haven't tried to get to the bottom of what is an unauthorised "release". It also goes to show how lax iTunes and the streaming services are when it comes to looking for proof of ownership re whoever uploaded them. It would have been done through an aggregator whereas WB have direct links with digital services.

Because Prince / Bobby Z / Eric Leeds and NPG really owns the rights to the album according to ASCAP

sexton said:

We talked about it last year: http://prince.org/msg/7/442492

I wonder why I can never seem to find these things. I tried a few different search terms and got nothing. Thanks for the link. I'll read through that soon.

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All '3'?

SquirrelMeat said:

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All '3'?

The bootleggers went as far as to upload the unreleased 24 album from 1993.

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All illegal uploads...

databank said:

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All illegal uploads...

I can't find Madhouse on Spotify anymore. I did used to have it but no longer...hmmmm...

paisleypark4 said:

jjam said:

I'm still surprised that St. Paul et al haven't tried to get to the bottom of what is an unauthorised "release". It also goes to show how lax iTunes and the streaming services are when it comes to looking for proof of ownership re whoever uploaded them. It would have been done through an aggregator whereas WB have direct links with digital services.

Because Prince / Bobby Z / Eric Leeds and NPG really owns the rights to the album according to ASCAP

Wrong. Those credits are to do with the publishing, not the sound recording rights to the album.

jjam said:

paisleypark4 said:

Because Prince / Bobby Z / Eric Leeds and NPG really owns the rights to the album according to ASCAP

Wrong. Those credits are to do with the publishing, not the sound recording rights to the album.

Many people still can't make the difference.

However, authors (both composers and performing artists) should have a say because they're supposed to make money from sales/stream as well, and I may be wrong but I think royalties are paid by the sound recording's owner to the authors after the streaming services and online stores pay the recording's owners, in which case the authors don't get a penny if the uploader is a bootlegger.

I'm not sure though, it might be different in the case of online stores (store pays label who pays artist, like regular stores) and streaming services (service pays publishers straight away like radio and TV). In case a service provides both streams and sales, I'm not sure how it works. Militant would know I guess.

But one way or another it's likely that everyone involved (the official Family bandmembers as performing artists, the proper songwriters as authors, and the label as sound recording owner) gets screwed to some extent if a bootlegger uploads their record.

databank said:

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All illegal uploads...

yea they all illegal none of them are listed as npg releases .

databank said:

jjam said:

Wrong. Those credits are to do with the publishing, not the sound recording rights to the album.

Many people still can't make the difference.

However, authors (both composers and performing artists) should have a say because they're supposed to make money from sales/stream as well, and I may be wrong but I think royalties are paid by the sound recording's owner to the authors after the streaming services and online stores pay the recording's owners, in which case the authors don't get a penny if the uploader is a bootlegger.

I'm not sure though, it might be different in the case of online stores (store pays label who pays artist, like regular stores) and streaming services (service pays publishers straight away like radio and TV). In case a service provides both streams and sales, I'm not sure how it works. Militant would know I guess.

But one way or another it's likely that everyone involved (the official Family bandmembers as performing artists, the proper songwriters as authors, and the label as sound recording owner) gets screwed to some extent if a bootlegger uploads their record.

The issue here is that the digital services are complicit in the unauthorised selling/streaming of these albums. I'm surprised that WB have not intervened, but then like all other majors (and Merlin who represents indie labels), they get an annual shitload of (effectively) adrev money from the likes of Spotify so they don't probably care about this. It wouldnt surprise me if WB have a similar deal with iTunes, such is the murky nature of the relationship between labels and digital services.

databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

All '3'?

The bootleggers went as far as to upload the unreleased 24 album from 1993.

Bless em.