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Thread started 03/29/18 9:42am

steakfinger

The Family album on iTunes

I searched and didn't find anything about this. I noticed several months ago that The Family album was available on iTunes. I figured it must have been discussed here, but I ran across it again today and thought I'd mention it. Just FYI

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Reply #1 posted 03/29/18 11:10am

sexton

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We talked about it last year: http://prince.org/msg/7/442492

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Reply #2 posted 03/29/18 11:26am

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I'm still surprised that St. Paul et al haven't tried to get to the bottom of what is an unauthorised "release". It also goes to show how lax iTunes and the streaming services are when it comes to looking for proof of ownership re whoever uploaded them. It would have been done through an aggregator whereas WB have direct links with digital services.

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Reply #3 posted 03/29/18 1:04pm

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all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

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Reply #4 posted 03/29/18 3:13pm

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jjam said:

I'm still surprised that St. Paul et al haven't tried to get to the bottom of what is an unauthorised "release". It also goes to show how lax iTunes and the streaming services are when it comes to looking for proof of ownership re whoever uploaded them. It would have been done through an aggregator whereas WB have direct links with digital services.


Because Prince / Bobby Z / Eric Leeds and NPG really owns the rights to the album according to ASCAP

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Reply #5 posted 03/29/18 5:29pm

steakfinger

sexton said:

We talked about it last year: http://prince.org/msg/7/442492

I wonder why I can never seem to find these things. I tried a few different search terms and got nothing. Thanks for the link. I'll read through that soon.

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Reply #6 posted 03/29/18 5:30pm

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cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All '3'?

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Reply #7 posted 03/29/18 6:46pm

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All three madhouse and the voice are on tidal as well
(And tidal has taken down the Black album)
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Reply #8 posted 03/29/18 10:12pm

databank

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SquirrelMeat said:

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All '3'?

The bootleggers went as far as to upload the unreleased 24 album from 1993.

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Reply #9 posted 03/29/18 10:14pm

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cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All illegal uploads...

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Reply #10 posted 03/30/18 2:05am

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databank said:

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All illegal uploads...

I can't find Madhouse on Spotify anymore. I did used to have it but no longer...hmmmm...

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Reply #11 posted 03/30/18 2:58am

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paisleypark4 said:

jjam said:

I'm still surprised that St. Paul et al haven't tried to get to the bottom of what is an unauthorised "release". It also goes to show how lax iTunes and the streaming services are when it comes to looking for proof of ownership re whoever uploaded them. It would have been done through an aggregator whereas WB have direct links with digital services.


Because Prince / Bobby Z / Eric Leeds and NPG really owns the rights to the album according to ASCAP

Wrong. Those credits are to do with the publishing, not the sound recording rights to the album.

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Reply #12 posted 03/30/18 7:46am

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jjam said:

paisleypark4 said:


Because Prince / Bobby Z / Eric Leeds and NPG really owns the rights to the album according to ASCAP

Wrong. Those credits are to do with the publishing, not the sound recording rights to the album.

Many people still can't make the difference.

However, authors (both composers and performing artists) should have a say because they're supposed to make money from sales/stream as well, and I may be wrong but I think royalties are paid by the sound recording's owner to the authors after the streaming services and online stores pay the recording's owners, in which case the authors don't get a penny if the uploader is a bootlegger.

I'm not sure though, it might be different in the case of online stores (store pays label who pays artist, like regular stores) and streaming services (service pays publishers straight away like radio and TV). In case a service provides both streams and sales, I'm not sure how it works. Militant would know I guess.

But one way or another it's likely that everyone involved (the official Family bandmembers as performing artists, the proper songwriters as authors, and the label as sound recording owner) gets screwed to some extent if a bootlegger uploads their record.

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Reply #13 posted 03/30/18 11:04am

cbarnes3121

databank said:

cbarnes3121 said:

all 3 of madhouse cds and mavis staples the voice is on there too and they all on spotify. vanity 6 album on spotify

All illegal uploads...

yea they all illegal none of them are listed as npg releases .

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Reply #14 posted 04/03/18 9:01am

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databank said:

jjam said:

Wrong. Those credits are to do with the publishing, not the sound recording rights to the album.

Many people still can't make the difference.

However, authors (both composers and performing artists) should have a say because they're supposed to make money from sales/stream as well, and I may be wrong but I think royalties are paid by the sound recording's owner to the authors after the streaming services and online stores pay the recording's owners, in which case the authors don't get a penny if the uploader is a bootlegger.

I'm not sure though, it might be different in the case of online stores (store pays label who pays artist, like regular stores) and streaming services (service pays publishers straight away like radio and TV). In case a service provides both streams and sales, I'm not sure how it works. Militant would know I guess.

But one way or another it's likely that everyone involved (the official Family bandmembers as performing artists, the proper songwriters as authors, and the label as sound recording owner) gets screwed to some extent if a bootlegger uploads their record.

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Reply #15 posted 04/03/18 11:07am

jjam

The issue here is that the digital services are complicit in the unauthorised selling/streaming of these albums. I'm surprised that WB have not intervened, but then like all other majors (and Merlin who represents indie labels), they get an annual shitload of (effectively) adrev money from the likes of Spotify so they don't probably care about this. It wouldnt surprise me if WB have a similar deal with iTunes, such is the murky nature of the relationship between labels and digital services.

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Reply #16 posted 04/03/18 6:15pm

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databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:

All '3'?

The bootleggers went as far as to upload the unreleased 24 album from 1993.


Bless em. wink

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Reply #17 posted 04/06/18 8:10pm

TXfan

I’m glad I still have my original vinyl Family Album
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