why asume if somethings about sex ..its automatically profane?

udo said:

purplerabbithole said:

purplerabbithole said:

Strive said:

DonRants said:

Vashtix said:

purplefam99 said:

To blame LG for P’s actions Is like Prince blaming his womanizing on his father.

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Prince was corrupted beyond repair and you try to see that in black and white?

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That only goes so far. Influence perhaps but blame, no. It is not Larry’s Fault that the music changed and it didn’t suit you.

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It is too simplistic of a view whatever you are projecting here.

That other man did not simply go past Prince's door and try to convince him.

No, he abused the friendship they had to push his faith onto Prince.

That is a much different situation from the everyday situation of not answering the door bell when that other person rings.

purplefam99 said I agree with you Don. I can’t believe the power some give Larry in regards to P making his own mind up. He was always super religious as you say so this was not new. We have been listening to the Gospel according to Prince from jump, but When he gets a friend whom he can share it with all of a sudden it’s the friends Fault. People just didn’t like that Prince was done being and playing the vague game and that left them with no choice but to see that they had been jamming with God all along and Prince was the culprit to bring them to the pulpit all along. Imo.

I love the way you stated that. I remember as a kid listening to the Controversy album. I could not believe he had songs like "Sexuality" and "Jack U Off"...then had the entire "Lord's Prayer" during "Controversy". Prince was definitely selling sex hard ..but he was also shoveling a lot of Judeo-Christianity at you at the same time. But it was a cultish form of Christianity....one that said sex is ok and Prince was the cult's messianic leader. As in "I would Die for You"..where he flat out blasphemes: "I am your Messiah." I think that's what most people who resent Prince's conversion hate... now he he tells them: "I am not your messiah, Jesus is." Their cult leader who use to tell them to "let your body be free"...now tells them to wait until marriage. They don't want to hear that.

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udo said:

purplefam99 said:

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Prince was corrupted beyond repair and you try to see that in black and white?

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That only goes so far. Influence perhaps but blame, no. It is not Larry’s Fault that the music changed and it didn’t suit you.

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It is too simplistic of a view whatever you are projecting here.

That other man did not simply go past Prince's door and try to convince him.

No, he abused the friendship they had to push his faith onto Prince.

That is a much different situation from the everyday situation of not answering the door bell when that other person rings.

DonRants said:

udo said:

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It is too simplistic of a view whatever you are projecting here.

That other man did not simply go past Prince's door and try to convince him.

No, he abused the friendship they had to push his faith onto Prince.

That is a much different situation from the everyday situation of not answering the door bell when that other person rings.

Udo, that is not how Jehovahs Witnesses operate. They do not "abuse their friendships."

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So they did not branwash Prince into doing things he did differently before if he did them at all?

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I cannot discuss the Christian faith with anyone because they cannot explain Galathians 2, the relations to the foundation of the Catholic church and the question of what the faith really should be.

(in short: I think all christian churches are bult on a sand castle hidden in Galathians 2)

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So why would a studied man like Prince do as he did? This can't be by any other mans as via brainwashing, group coercion, etc. Why else would he from time to time behave like his 'old' self while on stage?

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Strive said:

Mayte never being able to conceive, two failed marriages and dying alone in an elevator doesn't really seem like he was rewarded on this Earth for his faith. Let's hope he was rewarded in the next.

Everyone goes through trials and troubles in their lives. Those who have faith believe it is that that helps them survive the bad times. Prince's faith brought him a kind of peace he might not have been able to achieve without it.

We all die. And when we do - even if we are surrounded by loved ones - it is a solitary activity.

Like masturbation?
Sorry, I keep hearing the sex in every sentence.

I think Prince has been rewarded beyond any measure. It would have been great if he had scored on every aspect of his life, but this is a myth: life's a bitch for everyone at some point.

It's tempting to believe in some celestial mechanics balance, that would send you a bill for all the happiness felt, under the form of tragedies. We look for a meaning to events.

Yes Strive, these seems pretty hard, but try to jump into Prince's suit, imagine receiving the energy and love of thousand of people like a blast, and the feeling you get from it provokes incredible things in you, splits in repetition are effortless, and inspired soloes fly from your hands.
It's very fulfilling to hear an audience clap you beyond politeness. It's a joy to see even a single person in the audience that gets what you are trying to convey as a performer.

I can't even begin to imagine the moments of joy and ecstasy Prince went through, all his life, on stage or in the studio. Living as a musician, or from any other art, is a privilege, not because it's easier (quite the contrary), but because of the feedback you get from your work. And performing live is even better, because you can see it on the faces in real time, you can hear thousands of feet thumping like Thunder all through the night, shaking the building, the oh-wee-oh chants, dozens of rows jumping up and down in unison.

He had a Good Life.

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TheDigitalGardener said:

anangellooksdown said:

What happened to him at 27? That would’ve been 1985. He was beginning the Lovesexy Tour in August of that year.

Nope. Lovesexy tour began mid 1988.

Yep, in "85 There was ATWIAD.....how are people forgetting that?

udo said:

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Prince was corrupted beyond repair and you try to see that in black and white?

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Udo, I will give you a response to your last post..but first I have one question...1) What do you mean Prince was "Corrupted beyond repair?" And you seem to suggest it was by his father. Can you please clarify.

DonRants said:

206Michelle said:

His mom was Baptist.

Really. Please share one source which supports that his mom was Baptist. I have seen several sources which state his parents were 7th Day Adventist...a faith that is very similar to JW. As a matter of fact, the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses was a 7th Day Adventist before leaving to start his own church.

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Prince's mother was never a Witness. Tyka confirmed it in a radio interview during the time she released her book. Of course it's impossible to find now because it's buried in all of the interviews she had done since he passed. I used to post it every time the claim was made.

There was also a lady here who was JW that said the same thing back when they used to post on the org frequently.

206Michelle said:

DonRants said:

You do not have to be a member of a church to have your funeral or obituary there. The following article states clearly that his parents were 7thDay adventist, a point I have seen repeated many times. But wheter they were or not is not the point, the main point is Prince was super-religious before Larry and was searching for something. He would not have been open to Larry Graham if he wasn't. Prince always was his own man. But fans, act as if Larry brainwashed him....there is enough evidence to suggest otherwise.

https://www.billboard.com...tness-life

The fact that Mattie Della Shaw Baker’s funeral took place at a Baptist Church is pretty strong evidence that she was not a Jehovah’s Witness. If she was a practicing JW, her funeral would have taken place at a Kingdom Hall or another location, excluding a church of another Christian denomination, because my understanding is a funeral at a non-JW congregation would not be permissible for a JW. [Edited 3/22/18 21:02pm] [Edited 3/22/18 21:03pm]

Correct.

Strive said:

This interview is a little sadder once you read Mayte's book and see that this is just a facade introduced by Larry Graham. He was the one pushing Prince to the idea that absolute faith would make things turn out alright and that unshakable faith in Christ would be rewarded. The last part of the interview kinda confirms that when he goes "I think, yes, I know I'm happy. I have all I need."

Propaganda aside it was actually George Benson who first spoke to Prince about the Witness faith, not LG.


So much misinformation in this thread it ain't even funny.

Getting back on topic, (sorry), Prince is correct that most people choose to focus on his more salacious subject matter. People seldom discuss Prince songs that contain deeply profound and/or deeply spiritual content.

I can't count the number of times I've read that "he should go back to cursing" or "what is he talking about" or "he must be crazy".

Prince was far from crazy.

DonRants said:

anangellooksdown said:

Vashtix said:

Not to offend but I think Prince was rewarded on earth. He is still being discussed and revered as a great man, a genius, and for his beauty. Prince was so much more than a lover or casanova . He was able to help so many people and understood his celebrity and money allowed him the opportunity to help others in ways some others could not .

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Never met him but from reading of him after his death and listening to his music and reading his lyrics he was a deeply spiritual man so his reward on earth goes way deeper than the avg person. I think he got what it really means to be rewarded and he had that and will have that til the end of time. His legend is growing. His music will be what is important and how he changed pop culture and how he truly helped others at least I am hoping that will be the focus.

Vashtix. SO beautifully written. You made me cry. You get it. YES! The rewards are what we feel on the inside, and who we can help. It’s a kind of peace that can exist with any other feeling, even grief. Prince was SO close to god.