Rebeljuice said:

databank said:

Aaaah, that song! OK, thx.

An outtake, by definition, is a song that was either specifically recorded or, at least, considered for an album, then discarted.

In the case of a musician recording a specific album in a specific set of sessions, like many do, the term could be appropriate regardless, but given that Prince would continously record anything on any given day for any specific project or for the mere sake of recording a song, it's as inappropriate to call Walkin' In Glory a TBA outtake as to claim that every song recorded between September 1986 (recording of Superfunkycalifragisexy) and October 1987 (When 2 R In Love) is a Black Album outtake. It's just confusing.

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I would put it to you that an outtake is any recorded song that never received an official release. As for determining which album an outtake may be from, the answer is unobtainable because as you said, any unreleased song could be a candidate for the next album. TBA is especially difficult because not even the songs that made the album were recorded with the album in mind. This would make any song recorded that fit TBA vibe was potentially an outtake for that album. Same can be said of C&D and possibly many others.

Anyway, im being pedantic. truth is any unreleased song is potentially an outtake for any album, whether in its current guise or in a updated version to fit an album. The only exception to that rule I would say are the unreleased songs that got leaked. The majority of them never got remade or resurrected for an album. Its almost as if the leaked songs became dead to Prince. In a way that is such a shame because if they never leaked, imagine how many may have seen an official release on future albums... It is almost as if his "songs saved for a rainy day" had been pillaged.

What I meant is that saying "Song X is an outtake from Album Z" is confusing if the song hasn't ever been considered for said record.

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It's an interesting idea that leaked songs were abandonned by P. I'd never thought of it. IDK if it really had an influence on his choices though, it would be very interesting to know if he ever addressed the topic with any associate.

databank said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Found it on princevault.com under the title "Walkin' In Glory." Recorded the same day as Bob George, with Susan Rogers believing it was recorded to compensate for the tone of that song. So I guess it's from the sessions, but maybe not an outtake.

Aaaah, that song! OK, thx.

An outtake, by definition, is a song that was either specifically recorded or, at least, considered for an album, then discarted.

In the case of a musician recording a specific album in a specific set of sessions, like many do, the term could be appropriate regardless, but given that Prince would continously record anything on any given day for any specific project or for the mere sake of recording a song, it's as inappropriate to call Walkin' In Glory a TBA outtake as to claim that every song recorded between September 1986 (recording of Superfunkycalifragisexy) and October 1987 (When 2 R In Love) is a Black Album outtake. It's just confusing.

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naw it isn't inappropriate lol but I understand what you mean from a 'technical' standpoint point

But from an artistic sensual point it could have easily been an outtake... the right side and the left side of the brain.

...If I had it, I would definately mix it in on a much needed Black Album experience playlist...
I need to hear it...

Like I need God Is Everywhere(Parade outtake)

SchlomoThaHomo said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

There is a song called Walking In Glory that is a Black Album outtake too

I didn't realize that was a Black Album outtake. Seems like it would be out of place on that record.

I think it could be that song of Grace while (Spooky Electric or Camille?) is struggling with his anger

that spark of light that comes When 2 R in Love

databank said:

Rebeljuice said:

I would put it to you that an outtake is any recorded song that never received an official release. As for determining which album an outtake may be from, the answer is unobtainable because as you said, any unreleased song could be a candidate for the next album. TBA is especially difficult because not even the songs that made the album were recorded with the album in mind. This would make any song recorded that fit TBA vibe was potentially an outtake for that album. Same can be said of C&D and possibly many others.

Anyway, im being pedantic. truth is any unreleased song is potentially an outtake for any album, whether in its current guise or in a updated version to fit an album. The only exception to that rule I would say are the unreleased songs that got leaked. The majority of them never got remade or resurrected for an album. Its almost as if the leaked songs became dead to Prince. In a way that is such a shame because if they never leaked, imagine how many may have seen an official release on future albums... It is almost as if his "songs saved for a rainy day" had been pillaged.

What I meant is that saying "Song X is an outtake from Album Z" is confusing if the song hasn't ever been considered for said record.

.

It's an interesting idea that leaked songs were abandonned by P. I'd never thought of it. IDK if it really had an influence on his choices though, it would be very interesting to know if he ever addressed the topic with any associate.

Yes, it would be interesting. I've thought it for a while that the leaked songs were killed in Prince's mind. Once he got a better grip on the leaks (post WB*) we have no way of knowing how aften he dipped into the vault for a new album so it is hard to see if that was a common practice of his or not. Maybe he really did not like looking back regardless whether a song was released or not.

All we know is that none of the leaked songs (barring a few here and there) were ever revisited for a new album. Perhaps that is how he always worked anyway, perhaps not. But if many of the leaked songs were just put on the back burner for a time that was right for release, it is quite sad to see that he no longer felt he could revisit it due to its premature "release". This is why I have never subscribed to the narative that Prince was behind many of the leaks. That and the fact the idea is simply absurd anyway.


*Since the PR deluxe release and the admission by WB that they have their own "vault" of unreleased music, I am inclined to believe that many of the leaks from the 80's were perpetrated by WB employees and not all were leaked by disloyal staff working for Prince. If true, that must have pissed him off no end.

Rebeljuice said:

databank said:

What I meant is that saying "Song X is an outtake from Album Z" is confusing if the song hasn't ever been considered for said record.

.

It's an interesting idea that leaked songs were abandonned by P. I'd never thought of it. IDK if it really had an influence on his choices though, it would be very interesting to know if he ever addressed the topic with any associate.

Yes, it would be interesting. I've thought it for a while that the leaked songs were killed in Prince's mind. Once he got a better grip on the leaks (post WB*) we have no way of knowing how aften he dipped into the vault for a new album so it is hard to see if that was a common practice of his or not. Maybe he really did not like looking back regardless whether a song was released or not.

All we know is that none of the leaked songs (barring a few here and there) were ever revisited for a new album. Perhaps that is how he always worked anyway, perhaps not. But if many of the leaked songs were just put on the back burner for a time that was right for release, it is quite sad to see that he no longer felt he could revisit it due to its premature "release". This is why I have never subscribed to the narative that Prince was behind many of the leaks. That and the fact the idea is simply absurd anyway.


*Since the PR deluxe release and the admission by WB that they have their own "vault" of unreleased music, I am inclined to believe that many of the leaks from the 80's were perpetrated by WB employees and not all were leaked by disloyal staff working for Prince. If true, that must have pissed him off no end.

We know for a fact that a fair amount of songs released up until 1996 had first been recorded several years earlier and could have ended on many an earlier record. After that it's much harder to tell but I was recently surprised to learn that 2 songs on Musicology date back to nearly a decade earlier, and we also know of quite a number of songs from later albums that had been recorded several years earlier, so there is little doubt that he more or less kept doing it regularly up until the end of his career. In the end, a decent amount of previously bootlegged track got released in one form or another, but your theory makes a lot of sense. I don't think a song being bootlegged was an absolute no go but it may have weighted in the balance. I also do not know whether Prince knew exactly which songs we had and which we didn't. I've always wondered about that, how much did he know?

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I can't go into details for obvious reasons but I know from reliable sources that some specific tapes came from certain specific people in P's camp, mostly thanks to all those cassettes Prince gave away or abandonned in his car or house or studio. But the WB theory makes a lot of sense, too: if I'd been a WB employee, I'd have wanted to have copies of that stuff! It probably was a bit of both.

.

The narrative that Prince was behind many of the leaks is, of course, absurd, if only because it has never been corroborated by any fact or associated person's testimony, not to mention that everything we know actually contradicts that theory. Same with the Black Album conspiracy narrative.

databank said:

Rebeljuice said:

Yes, it would be interesting. I've thought it for a while that the leaked songs were killed in Prince's mind. Once he got a better grip on the leaks (post WB*) we have no way of knowing how aften he dipped into the vault for a new album so it is hard to see if that was a common practice of his or not. Maybe he really did not like looking back regardless whether a song was released or not.

All we know is that none of the leaked songs (barring a few here and there) were ever revisited for a new album. Perhaps that is how he always worked anyway, perhaps not. But if many of the leaked songs were just put on the back burner for a time that was right for release, it is quite sad to see that he no longer felt he could revisit it due to its premature "release". This is why I have never subscribed to the narative that Prince was behind many of the leaks. That and the fact the idea is simply absurd anyway.


*Since the PR deluxe release and the admission by WB that they have their own "vault" of unreleased music, I am inclined to believe that many of the leaks from the 80's were perpetrated by WB employees and not all were leaked by disloyal staff working for Prince. If true, that must have pissed him off no end.

We know for a fact that a fair amount of songs released up until 1996 had first been recorded several years earlier and could have ended on many an earlier record. After that it's much harder to tell but I was recently surprised to learn that 2 songs on Musicology date back to nearly a decade earlier, and we also know of quite a number of songs from later albums that had been recorded several years earlier, so there is little doubt that he more or less kept doing it regularly up until the end of his career. In the end, a decent amount of previously bootlegged track got released in one form or another, but your theory makes a lot of sense. I don't think a song being bootlegged was an absolute no go but it may have weighted in the balance. I also do not know whether Prince knew exactly which songs we had and which we didn't. I've always wondered about that, how much did he know?

.

I can't go into details for obvious reasons but I know from reliable sources that some specific tapes came from certain specific people in P's camp, mostly thanks to all those cassettes Prince gave away or abandonned in his car or house or studio. But the WB theory makes a lot of sense, too: if I'd been a WB employee, I'd have wanted to have copies of that stuff! It probably was a bit of both.

.

The narrative that Prince was behind many of the leaks is, of course, absurd, if only because it has never been corroborated by any fact or associated person's testimony, not to mention that everything we know actually contradicts that theory. Same with the Black Album conspiracy narrative.

Which tracks?

OldFriends4Sale said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I still want to hear the song Pussy Power from these sessions, that was mentioned by Prince as part of a proposed deluxe remaster edition.

There is a song called Walking In Glory that is a Black Album outtake too

that is circulating only amongst the elite

SchlomoThaHomo said:

A Million Days (1995) and If Eye Was The MR In Ur Life (somewhere between 95 and 00), it's on Princevault.

purplethunder3121 said:

HamsterHuey said:

LoL
I can't wait until someone turns all the pussy and dawg songs in an x-rated musical.

Ah, a clip from the "La, La, La He, He, Hee" video!