morningsong said:

Seriously? Now fans on his website are getting ready to be berated about how Prince was possessed by Satan in detail?

Possessed? Maybe. Owned, most certainly.

I'll just leave this here and let you ponder over it for a minute: https://www.youtube.com/w...8GYtnRE2OI

CherryMoon57 said:

jaawwnn said:

People who want to believe in the occult and conspiracy theories will see them everywhere, same as those who see God in everything. However, can one of you conspiracy theorists point out somewhere where Prince mocked God and the Bible, I find that one harder to swallow than anything else. Dude was ALL about love for God.

You cannot be a Prince fan and ignore all of that, because Prince himself WAS into all of these things and a lot of his music IS about these things.

I acknowledge that Prince loved his conspiracy theories but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them, take them seriously at any level beyond metaphor or think it was one of his better qualities.

As for the mocking, I don't think he ever mocked God openly, but he definitely sent out ambiguous (or conflicting) spiritual messages, which is equivalent to mocking God's message.

But then again, he might not have been talking about the same 'God' all along, who knows.

cloveringold85 said a lot of his songs "mock the Bible and God", I can't think of a a single song that does this. If you want to tell me it is your religions viewpoint that he is wrong and and he is actually mocking God, that's fine, you can have your religion; but it'd be pretty disingenuous for someone to say that Prince was doing it purposely.

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^Prince had a strict religious background and was not a stupid person. If he said or did anything that contradicted the said christian beliefs (beliefs he also regularly openly referrenced), I really doubt that it was an 'accident'.

bonatoc said:

Interesting how as soon as Prince broke free from the music industry, one of the first things he did was to drop all of those offensive gimmicks... Coincidence?

CherryMoon57 said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^Prince had a strict religious background and was not a stupid person. If he said or did anything that contradicted the said christian beliefs (beliefs he also regularly openly referrenced), I really doubt that it was an 'accident'.

What are you on about? Failing to meet the standards and trying again is part and parcel of christianity. Once again, I see no evidence that he ever mocked God or the Bible in his music.

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jaawwnn said:

CherryMoon57 said:

^Prince had a strict religious background and was not a stupid person. If he said or did anything that contradicted the said christian beliefs (beliefs he also regularly openly referrenced), I really doubt that it was an 'accident'.

What are you on about? Failing to meet the standards and trying again is part and parcel of christianity. Once again, I see no evidence that he ever mocked God or the Bible in his music.

[Edited 3/5/18 5:22am]

I think you may want to ask this question to cloveringold85 directly since it was the orger who initially mentioned this. All I said was that he had indeed repeatedly given very ambiguous spiritual messages in the first half of his career and that it was no accident.

CherryMoon57 said:

jaawwnn said:

What are you on about? Failing to meet the standards and trying again is part and parcel of christianity. Once again, I see no evidence that he ever mocked God or the Bible in his music.

[Edited 3/5/18 5:22am]

I think you may want to ask this question to cloveringold85 directly since it was the orger who initially mentioned this. All I said was that he had indeed repeatedly given very ambiguous spiritual messages in the first half of his career and that it was no accident.

What i'm getting at is that I don't think he was very ambiguous about his spiritual messages. There were years of conflict about whether sex and money are allowed with God but the idea that you should praise God was never questioned, just the method. Maybe we're making the same point.

jaawwnn said:

CherryMoon57 said:

I think you may want to ask this question to cloveringold85 directly since it was the orger who initially mentioned this. All I said was that he had indeed repeatedly given very ambiguous spiritual messages in the first half of his career and that it was no accident.

What i'm getting at is that I don't think he was very ambiguous about his spiritual messages. There were years of conflict about whether sex and money are allowed with God but the idea that you should praise God was never questioned, just the method. Maybe we're making the same point.

Quite possibly. The 'method' however is what makes a big difference. A lot of artists being promoted by the industry often have to rework their image and become over-sexualised before they can reach the top. If you observe other prominent artists' careers, it becomes clear that placing the emphasis on 'sex' is probably one of the main conditions of accessing the realms of stardom. And Prince doesn't seem to have escaped that rule.

cloveringold85 said:

Mindbells9 said:

Check out this video on youtube,claiming that Prince was demonic and one of Satan's "musical prophets". This guy's interpretation of Prince's lyrics are so off base that it's hilarious https://youtu.be/yeHmoVGN1AM

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I have seen that video. I thought of posting it here, but I knew that it would not be received well.

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It's no mystery that Prince's music was filled with subliminal and cryptic messages and his music was very sexually-explicit. Prince pushed androgyny as far as he could -- and he was misunderstood; people did not get who he was. Was he straight or gay? I think it was all just a part of his act.

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Now, getting into the satantic stuff. The entire Purple Rain album is about worship and the occult. If you don't think so -- then, you are a foolish person.

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Look at Prince's first album, and everything else he did thereafter. All the transformations -- alter ego's -- he even told Oprah that he had two people inside of him (his words).

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A lot of his songs mock the Bible and God. Was it just his way of expressing himself? What it art?

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He told people "You don't have to do the things I did." He had regrets.

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I think he was manipulated by the music industry. You can see as he got older -- he moved away from all that, and he became just "Prince".

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Then again -- do we really know who Prince was at all? I think he enjoyed being a mystery.

What was occultic about the Purple Rain album? Yes, there is a lot about God in the album, but I can't point to anything occultic. Give some examples of when Prince mocked God or the Bible?

If you listen to his music, it's easy to see that he had some sort of spiritual battle going on within him. He believed deeply in God, but he had this lust thing going on that came out in his music. I don't think that he was possessed. He was just an ordinary human being who was dealing with ordinary human flaws.

Well in regards the occult, Prince certainly had an interest to the point where he played around with some popular culture ideas of it. Someone was saying earlier that occult doesn't mean satanism necessarily, and while I agree with this, there's no getting away from the fact that the pop culture version of it generally does go hand in hand with satanism, and I think it's safe to say that this was an idea Prince was bouncing off with his imagery. I doubt he was off reading Aleister Crowley or anything but he was using the idea of reading Alesteir Crowley to tap into the 1980 public scares/fantasies about the occult. Being called what he was called he liked to play with these ideas of royalty and, of course, royalty are always caught up in sexual and occultic public mutterings that never go much beyond rumour.

Throughout his entire career Prince was always great at playing off expectations, using popular signifiers for one thing but in a different context, like putting in backwards masking but making it about loving God. Eventually he could play off his own public image to write a song like Cream, which sounds like it's full of double entendres without really containing any at all. He was being clever, but he was also just having fun. We know he loved to mess with people in private with prank phonecalls and the like so I can imagine he loved to mess with the public as well, putting things in their minds without actually saying them and then being able to claim innocence. Believing in God, to my mind, was the only thing he never joked about, he saw no problem in releasing straight up earnest tracks like God or The Cross.

The occultic thing reminds me of people saying he was a goth. He wasn't really a goth in the same way the Cure or Sisters of Mercy or whoever are goths, but he defintely played with some of the gothic ideas and imagery, mixing and matching as he saw fit to serve his own purposes. In fact, you can probably use the above as a template for any genre - rock, pop, funk, punk, prog, synth-pop, whatever, he dipped his toe into them all but pursued his own singular vision. Which is why we can can often say other artists remind us of Prince. He's a genre onto himself.

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purplethunder3121 said:

Uh, okay...

You're a "foolish" person too, uh?

cloveringold85 is going all voodoo on us.
"Worship" and "Occult"?
Are you sure you're not projecting a tad?

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jcurley said:

bonatoc said:

Hear, hear!

As long as he's not ridiculed here...

Most people don't know their subject.
The world is filled with wannabe doctors.

The world is full of tourists who persuade themselves
knowledge is some vision they had while high,
brushing their teeth or whatever have you,
full of resentment and shame.

Even they don't care about their own shit,
it's all surface to avoid the fraud core.
They have the guts to display all their stupidity for the world to see,
you gotta give them credit. In truth, it's a call for help.

Hey man, show us your mountain top,
be cool, share a little, I wanna be enlightened too.
Unless you're not the christian type?
One point for equality: the woman proves
women can be as fucked in the head as your next Mary.
It's 2018 alright.

I can understand you can get scared by the song.
" " is a dark, roaring album.
Prince boasts about his renewed inspiration, and "7"
sounds like "The Cross" came back, all angry and vengeful.
This shit is cryptic. And deep. And kinda scary,
and very, very apocalyptic.

Years later, "7" would be defeated by "The Word" by forfeit
(axe indisputability in the last round), passing on the top position
in SKipper's hippie-rock gospels collection.

But getting scared of the song to the point of insanity,
man, woman, get a shrink. C'm'on let's do somethin'.

"Satan!"
Ha!
I can hear him crackin'up from here!


"Satan"... Really... Ow Lawd.
It ain't funny. Pissed!
I need soothing. I'm outta here.


Someone definitely took "Let's go crazy, let's get nuts" au pied de la lettre.

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Wow. Those first three paragraphs sum up so much of the world right now. Brexit here in UK is all rant and blaming Europeans instead of realities closer to home. You've essentially reiterated the Prince lyric in Way Back Home.."so many people in this world are born dead but I ..I was born alive" . That lyric absolutely smacked me when i first heard it. Still does. Iget it tho..it's not an arrogance. Its saying you look at all these people who are so vocal but come from a place of such homogenised brainwashing. It's like we are in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I can see tho why folk may see prince as "other" but in terms of salaciousness..bad behaviour lyrically usually leads to consequences.certainly not in satans favour... Spooky electric must die

homogenised brainwashing, it's a reccurring subject in the arts.
Prince's take on it is surely moving.

It's what Giorgio Romero does on "Night Of The Living Dead" and subsequent movies,
The real subject is the "Mall of America" living dead.
Question is: "are you going to be swallowed into the global loss of personality mass consumption spreads?"

Lucio Dalla does it in "Ballerino" (1980):
"Se capissero vedendoti ballare
di essere morti da sempre
anche se possono respirare."

If only they could understand watching you dance
they've been dead for ever
even if they can breathe


...but I'm quite sure it goes back to some greek book. The discussion of the
catatonic state of the masses by brain-washing
is pretty old. Plato's cave? No, not "plateau in a cave", you dirty mind...

Poor Satan. He gets so much blame for everything I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard.
How convenient it is for the man to play yo-yo with the ever-changing amount of spirituality life's actions require.
Truth is, the top 50 executives at Goldman Sachs, we don't know their name
and they're sure not showing their faces on the media.
Satan my ass. These are real people fucking with the planet,
living as I type, it's not some supranatural entity.

Not everything in this world is Satan's fault.
There are fuckers in this world, my friend. They're just being very, very discreet.
They're not dangerous as they are numb by their own power. If water and crops are just an abstract variable,
you're pretty much fucked in the head, hence the coke and the whores.

This is the kind of guy, for the most, who carries the globalized wallet in his pocket.
The wallet of the Big Human Family, trusted into the hands of the worst tiny dick sociopaths
whose mother didn't love/spank/yell at/talk/understand enough, or too much,
and they use it as an excuse to fuck up the world. And me. And you. And your neighbour.

Have another cube of Artic Ice, while it lasts.

Lawd, I'm ranting again.
I wonder how noisy I'll be in the nursery home.
I hope I go deaf so I can blast Skipper to 11.

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lets go to the backmasked message at the end of Darling Nikki. You really think the laughter at the end of that message showed his "sympathy" to anything Biblical? He was laughing at the idea of the "Lord coming soon"....and put a message like that at the end of that song. honestly, I wonder what his view is now....wonder if he's still laughing? I take no joy in typing this, it's all very sad to me. And I wonder, again, just how the people who worked with him felt; what they saw and what they knew. Cause I've read some stuff right on this forum about his occult leanings and brown mark saying prince didn't show up in the mirror sometimes, and the dwarf in his house whose eyes moved, etc and I just read the Mayte book where he was always hypotizing her. He was into weird stuff, no doubt. How Apollonia and Sheena Easton wouldn't stay with him cause of his weird occultic ideas. Come on, the speculation is rampant that he sold his soul. There are several songs out there he did about that, the Same December comes to mind. And then he died in an elevator with all his black clothes on backwards? Come ON, it's more than weird. That's why I've read about it, trying to figure out what's the deal. If they aren't investigating his death, it's cause they are afraid to due to the "occultic" involvement. (i used to live in a town like that that the cops wouldn't get near satanic involved murders etc., one of those murders was featured on ID Discovery and trust me, one of the people involved walks free to this day, and it wasn't the only murder like that) Some towns have their secrets. Well, there's my take...pretty scary stuff if you ask me, he got involved with something he couldn't get out of in my opinion, if he actually wanted to leave.

cindyt said:

Mindbells9 said:

Check out this video on youtube,claiming that Prince was demonic and one of Satan's "musical prophets". This guy's interpretation of Prince's lyrics are so off base that it's hilarious

It's click-bait at its finest (or worst). He gave it a clever title to hook you in and he WANTS you to share that...and you did.

I say we IGNORE garbage like that.

(link removed)

OperatingThetan said:

cindyt said:

lets go to the backmasked message at the end of Darling Nikki. You really think the laughter at the end of that message showed his "sympathy" to anything Biblical? He was laughing at the idea of the "Lord coming soon"....and put a message like that at the end of that song. honestly, I wonder what his view is now....wonder if he's still laughing? I take no joy in typing this, it's all very sad to me. And I wonder, again, just how the people who worked with him felt; what they saw and what they knew. Cause I've read some stuff right on this forum about his occult leanings and brown mark saying prince didn't show up in the mirror sometimes, and the dwarf in his house whose eyes moved, etc and I just read the Mayte book where he was always hypotizing her. He was into weird stuff, no doubt. How Apollonia and Sheena Easton wouldn't stay with him cause of his weird occultic ideas. Come on, the speculation is rampant that he sold his soul. There are several songs out there he did about that, the Same December comes to mind. And then he died in an elevator with all his black clothes on backwards? Come ON, it's more than weird. That's why I've read about it, trying to figure out what's the deal. If they aren't investigating his death, it's cause they are afraid to due to the "occultic" involvement. (i used to live in a town like that that the cops wouldn't get near satanic involved murders etc., one of those murders was featured on ID Discovery and trust me, one of the people involved walks free to this day, and it wasn't the only murder like that) Some towns have their secrets. Well, there's my take...pretty scary stuff if you ask me, he got involved with something he couldn't get out of in my opinion, if he actually wanted to leave.

You actually credibly assert that people 'sell their souls'? That kind of opinion may have been excusable 200 years ago but is archaic at best today. Many of you here didn't seem to get the message that the satanic panic was just that - an unfounded hysteria with zero credibility. The real danger here is not the imaginary threats of 'Satanism' and 'dark forces' but the mentality behind some of these comments from Christians. You always were the threat historically and factually and you still are. [Edited 3/5/18 12:05pm]

There's all kinds on here... facebook... twitter.... reddit.... the neighborhood. At least in the neighborhood they got no soapbox.

ufoclub said:

morningsong said:

Seriously? Now fans on his website are getting ready to be berated about how Prince was possessed by Satan in detail?

i saw that vid on youtube, how seriously can you take any vid on youtube? It hurt as a fan that they used a pic from 2015 or so when the period when he was wild and rebellious was 30 years before that, he evolved a lot, go back 30 years in anyones life and you're gonna find some goofy shit.

Marrk said:

Mindbells9 said:

Check out this video on youtube,claiming that Prince was demonic and one of Satan's "musical prophets". This guy's interpretation of Prince's lyrics are so off base that it's hilarious https://youtu.be/yeHmoVGN1AM

The devil really does have all the best tunes. The comments section is something else. How gullible and nuts some people are.

you don't even know until you've lived with christians, the need to project and judge is just relentless with them.

In 87 (i was 18) my mom had me listen to some tapes called "Why Knock Rock" and they were full of Prince references...and got many of them wrong. But it was funny... Ha!

Marrk said:

Mindbells9 said:

Check out this video on youtube,claiming that Prince was demonic and one of Satan's "musical prophets". This guy's interpretation of Prince's lyrics are so off base that it's hilarious https://youtu.be/yeHmoVGN1AM

How gullible and nuts some people are.

FragileUndertow said:

I had no clue Little Red Corvette had backwards messages in it time 31:38 [Edited 3/3/18 16:35pm]

He clearly says

Oh Oh cinnamon....it is missing oh you found it time for cinnamon

OperatingThetan said:

ufoclub said:

There's all kinds on here... facebook... twitter.... reddit.... the neighborhood. At least in the neighborhood they got no soapbox.

Both of the main protagonists in this thread joined prince.org days after Prince's death. Tells me all I need to know, as if their motives weren't already clear.

I am not sure whether it is me you are referring to here but it is you who are not credible now. Judging someone's joining date to un-validate their argument is far worse than trying to seek the truth in all things. I am not sure what your own motives are on here either, but this is a discussion forum not a place to make unecessary judgements on other people's joining dates.

But since you mentioned it, I originally joined here in 2007, when the 21 Nights in London was announced. Until then, I had no idea such a site existed, but what difference does it make? Perhaps you could just stay on topic and explain to me what you think that signature in Darling Nikki is supposed to be about, since you seem to know so much more than me.

For your information, I am a long term Prince fan and spent most of my growing up years listening to him, I was young and being French a lot of the lyrics went over my innocent head. One day, I had a strange premonition that I was going to meet him, but I never even took any actions to make this happen. In 2007, after attending a few aftershow during his 21 nights in London I took my courage in both hands and spoke with him a few times, I also gave him a card to thank him for the shows, which we both played with during the show (the microphone and guitar pedals were right in front of me) and that eventually resulted in him inviting me onstage to dance for almost 30 minutes at the end of another aftershow, the best I had ever been to.

When you have held someone's hand and had them holding you close, you have a whole different perspective than being a fan of someone you only saw on an album cover. Our paths have crossed and that can never be undone. Since he has died there has not been one single day when I haven't remembered those moments and missed him immensely. I joined here again because it felt better to talk about him with fans, but that doesn't mean I don't have questions.

I have been wondering a lot about what happened to him and why. I know for certain that there is a hidden world out there, and a lot of spiritual battles going on. This is real and Prince, just as Michael, was trying to warn us about it. Sometimes the information is right before us but we just don't want to see it because it challenges us too. Out of curiosity, what did you make of that MJ video posted above? Did you listen to any of it? Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/w...x0Un9K5dKQ

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there are old threads about darling nikki that make for great reading. some said that nikki was an old pseudonym for satan and that it symbolized prince signing his soul to the devil. P was into the occult to some degree but he was into a lot of things, i believe he stabilized as he got older. It's normal for young people to search and the devil/soul thing wouldn't be the first time an american or even european composer mentioned the idea, it's been done many times and most of the time i don't think it's meant literally.

CherryMoon57 said:

OperatingThetan said:

ufoclub said: Both of the main protagonists in this thread joined prince.org days after Prince's death. Tells me all I need to know, as if their motives weren't already clear.

I am not sure whether it is me you are referring to here but it is you who are not credible now. Judging someone's joining date to un-validate their argument is far worse than trying to seek the truth in all things. I am not sure what your own motives are on here either, but this is a discussion forum not a place to make unecessary judgements on other people's joining dates.

But since you mentioned it, I originally joined here in 2007, when the 21 Nights in London was announced. Until then, I had no idea such a site existed, but what difference does it make? Perhaps you could just stay on topic and explain to me what you think that signature in Darling Nikki is supposed to be about, since you seem to know so much more than me.

For your information, I am a long term Prince fan and spent most of my growing up years listening to him, I was young and being French a lot of the lyrics went over my innocent head. One day, I had a strange premonition that I was going to meet him, but I never even took any actions to make this happen. In 2007, after attending a few aftershow during his 21 nights in London I took my courage in both hands and spoke with him a few times, I also gave him a card to thank him for the shows, which we both played with during the show (the microphone and guitar pedals were right in front of me) and that eventually resulted in him inviting me onstage to dance for almost 30 minutes at the end of another aftershow, the best I had ever been to.

When you have held someone's hand and had them holding you close, you have a whole different perspective than being a fan of someone you only saw on an album cover. Our paths have crossed and that can never be undone. Since he has died there has not been one single day when I haven't remembered those moments and missed him immensely. I joined here again because it felt better to talk about him with fans, but that doesn't mean I don't have questions.

I have been wondering a lot about what happened to him and why. I know for certain that there is a hidden world out there, and a lot of spiritual battles going on. This is real and Prince, just as Michael, was trying to warn us about it. Sometimes the information is right before us but we just don't want to see it because it challenges us too. Out of curiosity, what did you make of that MJ video posted above? Did you listen to any of it? Here it is again: https://www.youtube.com/w...x0Un9K5dKQ

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