RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Just because you're a Black man, if that is indeed the case, that doesn't mean that you don't harbor resentment against other Black men. There are LOTS of self-hating Black people.

well...im clearly not one of them...i dont have to cosign every black man & woman that bumps their gums on the TV screen, to validate my love of self and love for my people...FOH with that nonsense...

You're the one who keeps bringing up Van Jones' race.

cloveringold85 said:

Van Jones talks about how he met Prince. He said Prince called him after he lost his job at the White House:

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https://www.youtube.com/w..._AJXYVwxwY

That was very kind of Prince. Clearly, P wanted to help him...and to know him.

FlyOnTheWall said:

RJOrion said:

well...im clearly not one of them...i dont have to cosign every black man & woman that bumps their gums on the TV screen, to validate my love of self and love for my people...FOH with that nonsense...

You're the one who keeps bringing up Van Jones' race.

no i dont "keep bringing it up".. its getting copy and pasted, and re-discussed... look, if u wanna troll or play the dozens im cool with that ...but the black "self-hate" comment is farfetched and comically inaccurate...

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

You're the one who keeps bringing up Van Jones' race.

no i dont "keep bringing it up".. its getting copy and pasted, and re-discussed... look, if u wanna troll or play the dozens im cool with that ...but the black "self-hate" comment is farfetched and comically inaccurate...

"Troll or play the dozens"??? Seriously? You brought it up Van Jones' race in your two most recent previous comments, if I'm not mistaken. Prior to that, I don't recall anyone else making an issue of it. Hence, my remark.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

so 2 comments acknowledging his race as black = self hate???....please STFU or smarten up

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

"Troll or play the dozens"??? Seriously? You brought it up Van Jones' race in your two most recent previous comments, if I'm not mistaken. Prior to that, I don't recall anyone else making an issue of it. Hence, my remark.

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so 2 comments acknowledging his race as black = self hate???....please STFU or smarten up

You didn't just acknowledge his race, which is not even germane to this discussion. Indeed, this question would be considered racist coming from a non-Black person: "are they quick to believe him because he's a well spoken black man in a suit and nerd glasses, with advanced degrees?" I mean, are you suggesting that Van Jones enjoys some sort of Black male privilege?

cloveringold85 said:

Ok, Van may have been on the box a lot, but he wasn't self promoting. He was giving testament to how extraordinarily generous Prince has been with respect to charitable causes. Prince didn't like one hand to know what the other was doing, when he was giving. That meant most folks weren't aware of his charitable works and giving nature. I thought Van showed genuine love and emotion, when speaking about his friend. Regardless of politics, I respect him for speaking out on Prince's behalf, especially at such a difficult time, when nobody wants to face an interview.

My apologies to cloveringold85 that the above post has come out reading as though my thoughts are yours. I'm not sure how to correct it. Sorry about that!

FlyOnTheWall said:

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said: so 2 comments acknowledging his race as black = self hate???....please STFU or smarten up

You didn't just acknowledge his race, which is not even germane to this discussion. Indeed, this question would be considered racist coming from a non-Black person: "are they quick to believe him because he's a well spoken black man in a suit and nerd glasses, with advanced degrees?" I mean, are you suggesting that Van Jones enjoys some sort of Black male privilege?

like i said STFU or smarten up...youre not making any sense at all, and now youre just taking shit out of context and trying to shape-shift my words...it aint working... i dont like Van Jones, and its not because he's black... is that simple enough for your simple ass?

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

You didn't just acknowledge his race, which is not even germane to this discussion. Indeed, this question would be considered racist coming from a non-Black person: "are they quick to believe him because he's a well spoken black man in a suit and nerd glasses, with advanced degrees?" I mean, are you suggesting that Van Jones enjoys some sort of Black male privilege?

like i said STFU or smarten up...youre not making any sense at all, and now youre just taking shit out of context and trying to shape-shift my words...it aint working... i dont like Van Jones, and its not because he's black... is that simple enough for your simple ass?

I guess it's true what they say: when all else fails, hurl insults and start cussin'.

GrayDorian said:

Ok, Van may have been on the box a lot, but he wasn't self promoting. He was giving testament to how extraordinarily generous Prince has been with respect to charitable causes. Prince didn't like one hand to know what the other was doing, when he was giving. That meant most folks weren't aware of his charitable works and giving nature. I thought Van showed genuine love and emotion, when speaking about his friend. Regardless of politics, I respect him for speaking out on Prince's behalf, especially at such a difficult time, when nobody wants to face an interview. My apologies to cloveringold85 that the above post has come out reading as though my thoughts are yours. I'm not sure how to correct it. Sorry about that!

Plus, it is important to remember that Van was not going around soliciting bookings for TV appearances to speak about Prince. Media outlets were calling him because he was close to Prince during his final years. And, if he talks about P a lot, it's probably because he loves him. And, notice I used the present tense. Just like folks come to this board to "talk" about Prince because we love him...still...and most of us didn't even know him.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Yes.^^ And is it too much to allow Van the opportunity to speak of his love of Prince like we do here without being labeled as opportunistic,
Nerdy, black, seemingly well read and creepy. If I just listen to his words
(Ignore the labels) I am not hearing anything bad. Tyka doesn’t say enough,
Van is a nerd, I am not sure they need to please us or should even try.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Yes, Prince supported Reagan and...well, let's face it, Vanity 6 could hardly be described as progressive...

It is my understanding that Prince says he was misquoted in the infamous statement attributed to him about Reagan in the 1980's. And, if he did actually say it, I'd bet good money that, as his political understanding grew, he came to know that Ronnie was no prince. Plus, he was racist...and, well, Prince was Black.

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

pricetag said:

Hmmm I think Prince was conservative but I don’t know if I could assign him a
Political party. I think Susan was lumping the two.

purplefam99 said:

pricetag said:

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

Hmmm I think Prince was conservative but I don’t know if I could assign him a Political party. I think Susan was lumping the two.

Does it really matter what you think? Go watch the video.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It is my understanding that Prince says he was misquoted in the infamous statement attributed to him about Reagan in the 1980's. And, if he did actually say it, I'd bet good money that, as his political understanding grew, he came to know that Ronnie was no prince. Plus, he was racist...and, well, Prince was Black.

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

Prince might have very well been a Republican as a young man, but in his later years, he was apolitical, in terms of electoral politics. And, just because Susan Rogers says that P was Republican doesn't make it the gospel.

Lastly, call it "blather" if you will, but, over the years, Prince became pretty steeped in American history and current events. If we are to believe Tavis Smiley, Prince would have him invite panelists from his once annual State of the Black Union forums to his house to dialogue for hours about topics culled from his copious notes taken while watching the televised event from home. People like Dick Gregory and Cornel West.

Another report indicates that he was reading the works of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, the noted African-centered historian. And, Lerone Bennett, Jr.'s scathing critique of Abraham Lincoln, Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream, is reportedly on a shelf in his office at Paisley Park. These facts, and more, indicate to me that Prince was politically astute enough to know that Ronald Reagan was a dyed-in-the-wool racist. That is all.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Then it's obvious to me you have no understanding. Forget about whether he was misquoted or not...people who worked with him at the time testify as much. Susan Rogers is actually on record saying Prince was Republican ("not alot of people know that"). Also, that bit where you blather on about "political understanding" and "he [Ronnie] was racist"...that's in your mind...you do know that don't you? Please say yes.

Prince might have very well been a Republican as a young man, but in his later years, he was apolitical, in terms of electoral politics. And, just because Susan Rogers says that P was Republican doesn't make it the gospel.

Lastly, call it "blather" if you will, but, over the years, Prince became pretty steeped in American history and current events. If we are to believe Tavis Smiley, Prince would have him invite panelists from his once annual State of Black America forums to his house to dialogue for hours about topics that he had noted in his copious notes. People like Dick Gregory and Cornel West. Another report indicates that he was reading the works of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, the noted African-centered historian. And, Lerone Bennett, Jr.'s scathing critique of Abraham Lincoln, Forced Into Glory, is reportedly on a shelf in his office at Paisley Park. These facts, and more, indicate to me that Prince was politically astute enough to know that Ronald Reagan was a dyed-in-the-wool racist. That is all.

I'm telling you how Prince was in the 80's. The rest of it on you...that's not my argument. Your dismissal of Rogers is, of course, silly. How the hell would you know? Finally, remember that your position has to assume I'm right.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Prince might have very well been a Republican as a young man, but in his later years, he was apolitical, in terms of electoral politics. And, just because Susan Rogers says that P was Republican doesn't make it the gospel.

Lastly, call it "blather" if you will, but, over the years, Prince became pretty steeped in American history and current events. If we are to believe Tavis Smiley, Prince would have him invite panelists from his once annual State of Black America forums to his house to dialogue for hours about topics that he had noted in his copious notes. People like Dick Gregory and Cornel West. Another report indicates that he was reading the works of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, the noted African-centered historian. And, Lerone Bennett, Jr.'s scathing critique of Abraham Lincoln, Forced Into Glory, is reportedly on a shelf in his office at Paisley Park. These facts, and more, indicate to me that Prince was politically astute enough to know that Ronald Reagan was a dyed-in-the-wool racist. That is all.

I'm telling you how Prince was in the 80's. The rest of it on you...that's not my argument. Your dismissal of Rogers is, of course, silly. How the hell would you know? Finally, remember that your position has to assume I'm right.

I'm not dismissing Susan Rogers. I'm saying that, for me to believe that Prince ever had any political party affiliation, I would need to see a voter registration card...or a video of Prince himself making that declaration. Make of that what you will.

FlyOnTheWall said:

now youre being a clown...u FIRST implied self-hate on my part, when i never even addressed you..i responded to you trying to question or ridicule my love of self, or my people...now u wanna play the victim and cry about name calling... grow up Son...youre not ready
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FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

I'm telling you how Prince was in the 80's. The rest of it on you...that's not my argument. Your dismissal of Rogers is, of course, silly. How the hell would you know? Finally, remember that your position has to assume I'm right.

I'm not dismissing Susan Rogers. I'm saying that, for me to believe that Prince ever had any political party affiliation, I would need to see a voter registration card...or a video of Prince himself making that declaration. Make of that what you will.

Yeah, it's like, in order to accept the world is round, you need to see it from space, right? What a bore.

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess it's true what they say: when all else fails, hurl insults and start cussin'.

now youre being a clown...u FIRST implied self-hate on my part, when i never even addressed you..i responded to you trying to question or ridicule my love of self, or my people...now u wanna play the victim and cry about name calling... grow up Son...youre not ready [Edited 3/12/18 21:57pm]

At first, I thought your remarks about Van were racist. Once you proclaimed that you are a Black man, if indeed you are, self-hating was the other option, as your remarks were definitely offensive. It is what it is.

FlyOnTheWall said:

offensive to who?...youre offended because i find Van Jones creepy?...and again, i have to cosign Van Jones, or im self hating?... do you have any real idea of what youre talking about?...doesnt seem like it...

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I'm not dismissing Susan Rogers. I'm saying that, for me to believe that Prince ever had any political party affiliation, I would need to see a voter registration card...or a video of Prince himself making that declaration. Make of that what you will.

Yeah, it's like, in order to accept the world is round, you need to see it from space, right? What a bore.

Wow. Are you really comparing a claim about Prince made by Susan Rogers to a widely-accepted scientific fact?? I've heard it all now.

u also seem intent on questioning if im black, which is even more hilarious because my photo has been on this site b4, and my comments make it obvious...so keep going, making a fool of yourself...im done helping u with that...

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

At first, I thought your remarks about Van were racist. Once you proclaimed that you are a Black man, if indeed you are, self-hating was the other option, as your remarks were definitely offensive. It is what it is.

offensive to who?...youre offended because i find Van Jones creepy?...and again, i have to cosign Van Jones, or im self hating?... do you have any real idea of what youre talking about?...doesnt seem like it...

Offensive to whom? To me, the sole person for whom I speak. And, to be clear, not everything you wrote about Van Jones was offensive, but this part is: "are they quick to believe him because he's a well spoken black man in a suit and nerd glasses, with advanced degrees?"

FlyOnTheWall said:

pricetag said:

Yeah, it's like, in order to accept the world is round, you need to see it from space, right? What a bore.

Wow. Are you really comparing a claim about Prince made by Susan Rogers to a widely-accepted scientific fact?? I've heard it all now.

Not to Susan Rogers. To you. Your argument is what's called "unfalsifiable", and it's generally considered to be the weakest. You know that the chances of someone waving Prince's voter registration form under your nose is slim--and that's why you use it. There's other shady things about you and your argument too. I say: Prince was most likely Conservative--and yes, according to Susan Rogers, Republican--back in the 80's. This sets you off on an interminably long non-sequitur about how Prince's position moved towards the Left in the intervening years anyway (something I don't contest). In any event, when I point out how you're underlining my own argument, suddenly you want to change the argument. Now you want documented proof he was Conservative back in the day. Where did that come from? I thought you were starting from the basis that was on the Right. No offense, but your reasoning is all over the place. I can't be arsed going back and forth with you. Only respond if you address my points directly. Don't let that mind of yours go off on some other tangent.

RJOrion said:

—— Are you on something? Do you know that Prince assigned the royalties to the last four albums to Dream Corps. The charity that Van runs do you think Prince assigned royalties to some random charity to be overseen by sone random dude? Van was at the Essence Feat in 2014 and this is when Yes We Can Code was set up with Prince’s seed money. Van also introduced Prince to Phaedra who worked on the WB deal. Plenty evidence that Van was around too Prince did not get your approval on who he could employ.
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RJOrion said:

Prince was at the White House performing because of Van. Once again plenty of evidence it appears you are one of those people that gets nervous when smart black People get together.

pricetag said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Wow. Are you really comparing a claim about Prince made by Susan Rogers to a widely-accepted scientific fact?? I've heard it all now.

Not to Susan Rogers. To you. Your argument is what's called "unfalsifiable", and it's generally considered to be the weakest. You know that the chances of someone waving Prince's voter registration form under your nose is slim--and that's why you use it. There's other shady things about you and your argument too. I say: Prince was most likely Conservative--and yes, according to Susan Rogers, Republican--back in the 80's. This sets you off on an interminably long non-sequitur about how Prince's position moved towards the Left in the intervening years anyway (something I don't contest). In any event, when I point out how you're underlining my own argument, suddenly you want to change the argument. Now you want documented proof he was Conservative back in the day. Where did that come from? I thought you were starting from the basis that was on the Right. No offense, but your reasoning is all over the place. I can't be arsed going back and forth with you. Only respond if you address my points directly. Don't let that mind of yours go off on some other tangent.

What have I changed? I'm simply stating that just because Susan Rogers said that Prince was a Republican, doesn't mean that it is the gospel truth. What part of that don't you understand? This is a classic case of hearsay. And, don't get me wrong, I admire Dr. Rogers' work with Prince, but she is not a deity...and her opinion on P is not sacrosanct. It is not law. That is all.

pricetag said:

purplefam99 said:

pricetag said: Hmmm I think Prince was conservative but I don’t know if I could assign him a Political party. I think Susan was lumping the two.

Does it really matter what you think? Go watch the video.

It does matter that people say they "i think..." because i am telling you i am not pressing my view on you i am simply telling you my view.