But none of those were actually 'new songs' or song created directly for that movie. Many where songs already recorded on an album that year or 10 yrs prior, that the director wanted to use in a scene. Not to mention most of those were from the 80s-mid 90s.
And Prince was even more tight about the use of Kiss in Happy Feet.
However, Prince contributed to plenty of soundtracks after that. No one would be asking him to write the whole album. But he's certainly given songs to soundtracks, so to say he wouldn't revisit that is untrue.
Krush Groove
Bright Lights, Big City
The Last Boy Scout
Blankman
Showgirls
Girl 6
Striptease
If These Walls Could Talk
Muppets Tonight
Scream 2
Bamboozled
Jay and Silent Bob
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Happy Feet
...are just a few he's either had songs in or directly contributed to. There are tons of other films and TV series. It's good money to lend a song to something and get paid a few thousand for it.
I do think he probably had something interesting he could have lent to the Black Panther soundtrack. There are still things coming out that are surprising us (like that Versace mix thing that came out after he died). Not sure if it would have been an instrumental in the background somewhere, or a straight-ahead rock song. It could have been interesting.
"The Song Of The Heart: was made specifically for "Happy Feet." They wanted to use "Kiss" and change "Girl" to "Pearl" and Prince was not having it...until they showed him the movie. The song was recorded too late to be part of the movie so it was used over the credits.
"2045: Radical Man" was recorded very close to its use in "Bamboozled." I bet Spike asked for a song and Prince made one--for that movie.
But none of those were actually 'new songs' or song created directly for that movie. Many where songs already recorded on an album that year or 10 yrs prior, that the director wanted to use in a scene. Not to mention most of those were from the 80s-mid 90s.
And Prince was even more tight about the use of Kiss in Happy Feet.
"The Song Of The Heart: was made specifically for "Happy Feet." They wanted to use "Kiss" and change "Girl" to "Pearl" and Prince was not having it...until they showed him the movie. The song was recorded too late to be part of the movie so it was used over the credits.
"2045: Radical Man" was recorded very close to its use in "Bamboozled." I bet Spike asked for a song and Prince made one--for that movie.
right, how did I miss, The Song Of the Heart
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well there were songs like 319(the Gold Experience) and Ripopgodezippa(Crystal Ball) were used in ShowGirls of the same year 1995
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2045:Radical Man was made for an unreleased NPG album titled Peace, and then given to Spike for the movie
Maybe if Prince had done it we wouldn't have got what is essentially an R-Rated soundtrack for a PG-13 movie. I like Kendrick Lamar but it just doesn't make sense to have an album for a movie that couldn't be played in the movie without bumping the rating up.
Don't hate your neighbors. Hate the media that tells you to hate your neighbors.
I began my post by saying that none of us "know" what he would have done, but given the fact that he donated (dedicated) the song, "We March" to the Million Man March and had it delivered to the organizers personally along with a $50,000 donation to the march, that seems to show that Prince, as an individual, could also support and participate in "collective" causes. As such, there are countless examples of him donating to or working with a "collective" cause, whether it was Black Lives Matter, donating money so that Malcolm X could be completed, or, again, in support of the Million Man March. As such, while, again, no one knows for sure, I feel comfortable asserting that there is more a probability that he would have submitted music for Black Panther than he would not have simply based on the causes and organizations that he had supported in the past. But, for those who don't think that he would have, I don't have an issue with their opinion either.
You’re making my own point for me. Everything you mention above was Prince doing things on his own terms, a Prince contribution by itself; not mixed in with everything else. Also, your engaging in one huge nonsequitir. A commitment to The Million Man March is just not the same as a movie with a pleasing subject matter. It’s a more engaging political act than buying a $15 movie ticket. Don’t cheapen the cause, please.
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I guessing that you are familiar with W.E.B. DuBois' notion that "in the final analysis, all art is propaganda." As such, there are many artists and non-artists who view the making and supporting of art as a political engagement or activity. Secondly, don't try to simplify my statement to support your own position. I stated that not all people perceive socio-political engagement as a "this" or "that" proposition. That would be an "either or" fallacy, of which I'm sure you are familiar since you are familiar with non sequitur although you are using it incorrectly since, again, the making and supporting of art is considered a political act by many, such as DuBois, Prince, Spencer, and others. As for Prince doing things on his own, he did "do things on his own," while he used his own skills or resources to combine or engage with others. Thus, submitting a song to a project or donating money to a project is an individual act in support of a collective cause. Therefore, nothing has been cheapened because many people are able to see difference acts of socio-political engagement as all valuable toward improving the human condition. Sometimes, it's not what people do that makes a difference but just that they do something.
He dedicated "We March" to the Million Man March along with $50,000 so that along with his work with Black Lives Matter and in Baltimore at least shows a probability that he would have been interested in submitting music for Black Panther. Of course, as most of us have said, there is no real way to know for certain what Prince would or would not have done, but, based on his past efforts, it does not seem beyond the realm of possibility that he would have submitted music to Black Panther.
But he really hasn't contributed music (written) music for a movie since Graffiti Bridge. That I know of everything else was someone wanting to use a Prince song in their movie.
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I still don't understand why out of all the movies that have come and gone, why Black Panther would be. Wishing Prince was alive to contribute to the movie, like it was something he was doing in the last 20 yrs. DC nor Marvel (as far as I know) never approached him to do music for any movies.
Personally I would prefer some popular African artists to contribute. I love soundtracks, and they are a good way to find new artists. I could make room for something by Meshell NDegeochello
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featuring Hugh Masekela: In the City ...anything by Hugh Masekela
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As I asserted earlier and as someone else agreed, "Song of the Heart" was a more recent submission to a film project. Also, while "Radical Man 2045" was an older song, I did state that that Prince could have used an older song for this new project as he had done before. And, to be clear, I, myself, am not wishing; I'm just responding to all the folks who are asserting that it would not be probable that Prince would have contributed a song to Black Panther had he been asked. If we are asking if it is probable that he would have, then my position is that, based on what he had done in the past with his art and the statements that he made in support of there needing to be more of a movement and awareness of black folks celebrating their heritage and addressing specific socio-political ills, then, yes, it is not a stretch to say that Prince would have probably submitted a song to Black Panther if asked. I don't understand why that's so difficult to fathom.
I began my post by saying that none of us "know" what he would have done, but given the fact that he donated (dedicated) the song, "We March" to the Million Man March and had it delivered to the organizers personally along with a $50,000 donation to the march, that seems to show that Prince, as an individual, could also support and participate in "collective" causes. As such, there are countless examples of him donating to or working with a "collective" cause, whether it was Black Lives Matter, donating money so that Malcolm X could be completed, or, again, in support of the Million Man March. As such, while, again, no one knows for sure, I feel comfortable asserting that there is more a probability that he would have submitted music for Black Panther than he would not have simply based on the causes and organizations that he had supported in the past. But, for those who don't think that he would have, I don't have an issue with their opinion either.
You’re making my own point for me. Everything you mention above was Prince doing things on his own terms, a Prince contribution by itself; not mixed in with everything else. Also, your engaging in one huge nonsequitir. A commitment to The Million Man March is just not the same as a movie with a pleasing subject matter. It’s a more engaging political act than buying a $15 movie ticket. Don’t cheapen the cause, please.
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I guessing that you are familiar with W.E.B. DuBois' notion that "in the final analysis, all art is propaganda." As such, there are many artists and non-artists who view the making and supporting of art as a political engagement or activity. Secondly, don't try to simplify my statement to support your own position. I stated that not all people perceive socio-political engagement as a "this" or "that" proposition. That would be an "either or" fallacy, of which I'm sure you are familiar since you are familiar with non sequitur although you are using it incorrectly since, again, the making and supporting of art is considered a political act by many, such as DuBois, Prince, Spencer, and others. As for Prince doing things on his own, he did "do things on his own," while he used his own skills or resources to combine or engage with others. Thus, submitting a song to a project or donating money to a project is an individual act in support of a collective cause. Therefore, nothing has been cheapened because many people are able to see difference acts of socio-political engagement as all valuable toward improving the human condition. Sometimes, it's not what people do that makes a difference but just that they do something.
But he really hasn't contributed music (written) music for a movie since Graffiti Bridge. That I know of everything else was someone wanting to use a Prince song in their movie.
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I still don't understand why out of all the movies that have come and gone, why Black Panther would be. Wishing Prince was alive to contribute to the movie, like it was something he was doing in the last 20 yrs. DC nor Marvel (as far as I know) never approached him to do music for any movies.
Personally I would prefer some popular African artists to contribute. I love soundtracks, and they are a good way to find new artists. I could make room for something by Meshell NDegeochello
or
featuring Hugh Masekela: In the City ...anything by Hugh Masekela
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As I asserted earlier and as someone else agreed, "Song of the Heart" was a more recent submission to a film project. Also, while "Radical Man 2045" was an older song, I did state that that Prince could have used an older song for this new project as he had done before. And, to be clear, I, myself, am not wishing; I'm just responding to all the folks who are asserting that it would not be probable that Prince would have contributed a song to Black Panther had he been asked. If we are asking if it is probable that he would have, then my position is that, based on what he had done in the past with his art and the statements that he made in support of there needing to be more of a movement and awareness of black folks celebrating their heritage and addressing specific socio-political ills, then, yes, it is not a stretch to say that Prince would have probably submitted a song to Black Panther if asked. I don't understand why that's so difficult to fathom.
This is not directed at you, as much the ops question. I'm just thinking 'why this movie' There is no record of Prince being asked to submitt a song for any DC or Marvel films in the last 10yrs of the comic franchise hitting the big screen.
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I mean if I could wish Prince back to life, it wouldn't be to submit a song for a film. I personally would wish for him to be able to finish his memoir, really enjoy the Piano tour interaction. And release it on CD for us. And live out some of the things Morris Day and BrownMark talked about that he talked about. As well as, and more importantly, to recover and find good health again.
But none of those were actually 'new songs' or song created directly for that movie. Many where songs already recorded on an album that year or 10 yrs prior, that the director wanted to use in a scene. Not to mention most of those were from the 80s-mid 90s.
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And Prince was even more tight about the use of Kiss in Happy Feet.
*updated:OnlyNDaUSA reminded me of 'The Song of the Heart'
However, Prince contributed to plenty of soundtracks after that. No one would be asking him to write the whole album. But he's certainly given songs to soundtracks, so to say he wouldn't revisit that is untrue.
Krush Groove
Bright Lights, Big City
The Last Boy Scout
Blankman
Showgirls
Girl 6
Striptease
If These Walls Could Talk
Muppets Tonight
Scream 2
Bamboozled
Jay and Silent Bob
Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Happy Feet
...are just a few he's either had songs in or directly contributed to. There are tons of other films and TV series. It's good money to lend a song to something and get paid a few thousand for it.
I do think he probably had something interesting he could have lent to the Black Panther soundtrack. There are still things coming out that are surprising us (like that Versace mix thing that came out after he died). Not sure if it would have been an instrumental in the background somewhere, or a straight-ahead rock song. It could have been interesting.
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Song of the Heart for Happy Feet waa a new song and won the Golden Globe.
Edit: I guess I should have read the next page before posting
I think it would have been interesting to see his response to all this. I doubt he would've been on board with this growing corporate woke movement.
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The fact that these rich morons think they're doing something good by buying out theaters for a generic Disney/Marvel movie instead of funding afterschool programs or busing kids to see live arts is shameful.
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Prince was about inspiring people and giving them the tools they needed to succeed. Not cynically exploiting his community for a corporation's bottom line.
There's an irony here, of course, given that Prince was rich and often bought out theaters for screenings of corporate movies. Life, alas, is always grey.
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He bought them for himself so he could watch movies in peace. It wasn't him trying to get brownie points from the public by buying into a corporation's cynical marketing plan or him pretending that kids seeing some generic comic book movie was a grand altruistic act.
He made foundations that taught kids skills so they could be something other than consumers. He performed free concerts so kids could be inspired by live art. [Edited 2/21/18 10:11am]
He dedicated "We March" to the Million Man March along with $50,000 so that along with his work with Black Lives Matter and in Baltimore at least shows a probability that he would have been interested in submitting music for Black Panther. Of course, as most of us have said, there is no real way to know for certain what Prince would or would not have done, but, based on his past efforts, it does not seem beyond the realm of possibility that he would have submitted music to Black Panther.
But he really hasn't contributed music (written) music for a movie since Graffiti Bridge. That I know of everything else was someone wanting to use a Prince song in their movie.
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I still don't understand why out of all the movies that have come and gone, why Black Panther would be. Wishing Prince was alive to contribute to the movie, like it was something he was doing in the last 20 yrs. DC nor Marvel (as far as I know) never approached him to do music for any movies.
Personally I would prefer some popular African artists to contribute. I love soundtracks, and they are a good way to find new artists. I could make room for something by Meshell NDegeochello
or
featuring Hugh Masekela: In the City ...anything by Hugh Masekela
Um, Happy Feet? Bamboozled? Black Panther is a movie that celebrates blackness, and the subject matter was right up Prince's alley given what he was doing in the past few years for the Black community. Add to that, he was inspired by what Kendrick Lamaar was doing who was heavily involved in the soundtrack. I'm not saying that he definitely would have contributed, but had he been alive, I can see BP as a movie he would have been interested in being involved in.
Maybe if Prince had done it we wouldn't have got what is essentially an R-Rated soundtrack for a PG-13 movie. I like Kendrick Lamar but it just doesn't make sense to have an album for a movie that couldn't be played in the movie without bumping the rating up.
This. My kid loved the movie, and really likes Kendrick, but I can't let him listen to the soundtrack given what's in it.
I think the biggest determining factor in whether he would have worked on the soundtrack would have been his great working and creative relationship with Kendrick Lamar. They worked and performed together multiple times and both share a similar black empowerment message. Prince addressed Africa as being the birthplace of civilization before so it's not a stretch to think he would be into the whole Wakanda concept.
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But he really hasn't contributed music (written) music for a movie since Graffiti Bridge. That I know of everything else was someone wanting to use a Prince song in their movie.
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I still don't understand why out of all the movies that have come and gone, why Black Panther would be. Wishing Prince was alive to contribute to the movie, like it was something he was doing in the last 20 yrs. DC nor Marvel (as far as I know) never approached him to do music for any movies.
Personally I would prefer some popular African artists to contribute. I love soundtracks, and they are a good way to find new artists. I could make room for something by Meshell NDegeochello
or
featuring Hugh Masekela: In the City ...anything by Hugh Masekela
Um, Happy Feet? Bamboozled? Black Panther is a movie that celebrates blackness, and the subject matter was right up Prince's alley given what he was doing in the past few years for the Black community. Add to that, he was inspired by what Kendrick Lamaar was doing who was heavily involved in the soundtrack. I'm not saying that he definitely would have contributed, but had he been alive, I can see BP as a movie he would have been interested in being involved in.
see post #29, 30, 32, 37
I'm just saying, a lot of previous movie focused on Africa as well. And Capt America Civil War was where the Black Panther made his first appearance, in Africa.
But also I tend to listen to Prince music alone and seperate from most other music. So it is hard for me imagining Prince doing music for soundtracks other than a Prince movie.
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Actually Black Panther 'celebrates' African-ness.
I've done some threads on Prince's interest in Egyptology
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I also think he respect for Lamaar music, would have stopped him from 'following' in the direction.
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How 'adult' was the soundtrack? How many songs would have to put some money in Princes' cuss jar?
Prince did seem to like Sci-Fi movies.
He was also inspired by Black Swan the movie, which is when he got Misty Copeland to do some ballet in his shows.
There's an irony here, of course, given that Prince was rich and often bought out theaters for screenings of corporate movies. Life, alas, is always grey.
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He bought them for himself so he could watch movies in peace. It wasn't him trying to get brownie points from the public by buying into a corporation's cynical marketing plan or him pretending that kids seeing some generic comic book movie was a grand altruistic act. He made foundations that taught kids skills so they could be something other than consumers. He performed free concerts so kids could be inspired by live art. [Edited 2/21/18 10:11am]
He was still rich...and bought out theaters. You try it.
who is complaining about it? I bought the soundtrack, saw the film, talked about Black Panther when he made his appearance in Civil War, hyped his character up...GREAT movie by they way if you haven't seen it you should, was a fan of him in the comics and buying the Art of Black Panther book when it comes out tomorrow $40-50 in store $30 Amazon Prime... and will buy a steele cased DVD when the film comes out...and have been talking up support for the film in the P&R thread on the film
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complaining? naw that is $upport
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Black Panthers again don't live in Africa. Leopards do. I've been into animals since I was a kid. We always knew 'Black Panthers' live in South American but are related to Leopards. read more on it, don't just post a piece you saw on Wiki
morningsong said:
OnlyNDaUsa said:
and to add insult to injury e drives a Lexus in the movie.
Who drives the Lexus in the movie??
All these folks who haven't seen the movie trying to find some miniscle way to complain about it.
who is complaining about it? I bought the soundtrack, saw the film, talked about Black Panther when he made his appearance in Civil War, hyped his character up...GREAT movie by they way if you haven't seen it you should, was a fan of him in the comics and buying the Art of Black Panther book when it comes out tomorrow $40... and will buy a steele cased DVD when the film comes out
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complaining? naw that is $upport
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Black Panthers again don't live in Africa. Leopards do. I've been into animals since I was a kid. We always knew 'Black Panthers' live in South American but are related to Leopards. read more on it, don't just post a piece you saw on Wiki
morningsong said:
Who drives the Lexus in the movie??
All these folks who haven't seen the movie trying to find some miniscle way to complain about it.
As theatergoers around the world marvel at the new superhero movie Black Panther, we here at National Geographic wanted to share some facts about these real-life fascinating felines.
First things first: A "black panther" is not its own species—it's an umbrella term that refers to any big cat with a black coat. (Learn more about National...Initiative.)
The condition is caused by the agouti gene, which regulates the distribution of black pigment within the hair shaft, according to the University of California, Davis. It's most well known in leopards, which live in Asia and Africa, and jaguars, inhabitants of South America. (Domestic cat lovers might be interested to know the agouti gene doesn't cause black fur in house cats.)
it was a joke about him not driving a Jaguar. Not at all a complaint or criticisms of the movie. I used Lexus because there are some tie-in Ads...
I have not yet seen it... so I do not know if he drives one or not. I will see it. And I have been here hyping it up. I even predicted an $800Million domestic and 1.8 billion world wide box office.
lol the scientist about it? So all the kids who love reading about animals and the animal kingdom are scientist?
Your acting like someone is putting you down. This is really not about race...and it is all fiction.
Again. Did you buy the soundtrack? I did
Did you see the film? I did
Did you buy the Art of Black Panther book? I am?
no reason at all to be offended.
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And Africa still has no 'black panthers' the name of the 'Super Hero' is fictional.
Leopards of Africa are not black in color either. Some come out with darker coats.
No reason for the sensitivity
morningsong said:
OldFriends4Sale said:
who is complaining about it? I bought the soundtrack, saw the film, talked about Black Panther when he made his appearance in Civil War, hyped his character up...GREAT movie by they way if you haven't seen it you should, was a fan of him in the comics and buying the Art of Black Panther book when it comes out tomorrow $40... and will buy a steele cased DVD when the film comes out
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complaining? naw that is $upport
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Black Panthers again don't live in Africa. Leopards do. I've been into animals since I was a kid. We always knew 'Black Panthers' live in South American but are related to Leopards. read more on it, don't just post a piece you saw on Wiki
Well, since you're the scientist about it...
PUBLISHED FEBRUARY 16, 2018
As theatergoers around the world marvel at the new superhero movie Black Panther, we here at National Geographic wanted to share some facts about these real-life fascinating felines.
First things first: A "black panther" is not its own species—it's an umbrella term that refers to any big cat with a black coat. (Learn more about National...Initiative.)
The condition is caused by the agouti gene, which regulates the distribution of black pigment within the hair shaft, according to the University of California, Davis. It's most well known in leopards, which live in Asia and Africa, and jaguars, inhabitants of South America. (Domestic cat lovers might be interested to know the agouti gene doesn't cause black fur in house cats.)
And Africa still has no 'black panthers' the name of the 'Super Hero' is fictional.
morningsong said:
Well, since you're the scientist about it...
PUBLISHED FEBRUARY 16, 2018
As theatergoers around the world marvel at the new superhero movie Black Panther, we here at National Geographic wanted to share some facts about these real-life fascinating felines.
First things first: A "black panther" is not its own species—it's an umbrella term that refers to any big cat with a black coat. (Learn more about National...Initiative.)
The condition is caused by the agouti gene, which regulates the distribution of black pigment within the hair shaft, according to the University of California, Davis. It's most well known in leopards, which live in Asia and Africa, and jaguars, inhabitants of South America. (Domestic cat lovers might be interested to know the agouti gene doesn't cause black fur in house cats.)
I was only pointing out that I've already read up on the subject and wasn't getting all my info from Wikipedia.
Not sure why you felt the need to point out there are no Black Panthers in Africa in the first place, which is not correct. And the movie visually made note of that, if you didn't catch it.
And Africa still has no 'black panthers' the name of the 'Super Hero' is fictional.
I was only pointing out that I've already read up on the subject and wasn't getting all my info from Wikipedia.
Not sure why you felt the need to point out there are no Black Panthers in Africa in the first place, which is not correct.
I still don't get why you are offended?
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It is correct. Black Panthers don't live Africa. Leopards do, and they are not black furred. They are spotted animals. Those that have darker coats is an occurance. If you read it all even in Wiki, because Wiki says the same thing, Africa has Leopards.
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Not sure why you need to be offended and lash out.
I put my money $$$ where my mouth is...did you purchase the soundtrack? did you purchase the Art of book? right
I was only pointing out that I've already read up on the subject and wasn't getting all my info from Wikipedia.
Not sure why you felt the need to point out there are no Black Panthers in Africa in the first place, which is not correct.
I still don't get why you are offended?
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It is correct. Black Panthers don't live Africa. Leopards do, and they are not black furred. They are spotted animals. Those that have darker coats is an occurance. If you read it all even in Wiki, because Wiki says the same thing, Africa has Leopards.
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Not sure why you need to be offended and lash out.
There is no such animal as a black panther, not even in South America, they are names given to large black cats that live in 3 continents.
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