rogifan said:

OK so no real news outlet was calling him a junky just tabloid trash like the National Enquirer.

No one in the real world I talk to refers to him as a Junkie..

without exception people who were not so familiar with him

while he was here are now talking about his Philanthropy,

his stance on the Music Industry

and

how they are now finding his music on you tube again..

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

OK so no real news outlet was calling him a junky just tabloid trash like the National Enquirer.

No one in the real world I talk to refers to him as a Junkie..

without exception people who were not so familiar with him

while he was here are now talking about his Philanthropy,

his stance on the Music Industry

and

how they are now finding his music on you tube again..

the point is valid though, no one is more beloved than Elvis in America and I can't tell you how many times i've seen him described as nothing more than a fat, pill popping drug addict. they've said it about Prince too, but i've also heard "i thought he lived clean" more than a couple times by non-fans. even to non-fans the thing don't make sense.

PeteSilas said:

Lovejunky said:

No one in the real world I talk to refers to him as a Junkie..

without exception people who were not so familiar with him

while he was here are now talking about his Philanthropy,

his stance on the Music Industry

and

how they are now finding his music on you tube again..

the point is valid though, no one is more beloved than Elvis in America and I can't tell you how many times i've seen him described as nothing more than a fat, pill popping drug addict. they've said it about Prince too, but i've also heard "i thought he lived clean" more than a couple times by non-fans. even to non-fans the thing don't make sense.

What point... Prince was not a fat pill-popping Elvis. Prince's problem had to become toxic after 2014, the last time I saw him. I saw no indications of addiction when attending two back-to-back charity concerts. The next year is when I started noticing how he was getting thin and looking older. Prince was on point in 2014. If he became addicted to pain pills, it was in very recent history...

purplethunder3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

the point is valid though, no one is more beloved than Elvis in America and I can't tell you how many times i've seen him described as nothing more than a fat, pill popping drug addict. they've said it about Prince too, but i've also heard "i thought he lived clean" more than a couple times by non-fans. even to non-fans the thing don't make sense.

What point... Prince was not a fat pill-popping Elvis. Prince's problem had to become toxic after 2014, the last time I saw him. I saw no indications of addiction when attending two back-to-back charity concerts. The next year is when I started noticing how he was getting thin and looking older. Prince was on point in 2014. If he became addicted to pain pills, it was in very recent history...

that's when the shit was showing but i recall it was in 2011 wasn't it that some alarmed lady wrote a leaked letter that said Prince was taking pills like m&m's, that was our first indication of trouble. In fact, it was there that someone said "he'll be dead by the time he's 57" and we crucified them, they were right though.

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

right,

I remember Stevie Wonder stopping a show and telling the audience it was too much lol

I finally got to see Stevie Wonder for the first time doing my all time favorite album "Songs In The Key of Life" in 2014. Once in a lifetime concert! It was wonderful. But, even then people were puffing clouds of "funny cigarette" smoke into the air... At some point, the artists just give up.

Is the song Clouds from Art Official Age, about puff?

I will forever refer to blunts as 'funny cigarettes' now lol

purplethunder3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

the point is valid though, no one is more beloved than Elvis in America and I can't tell you how many times i've seen him described as nothing more than a fat, pill popping drug addict. they've said it about Prince too, but i've also heard "i thought he lived clean" more than a couple times by non-fans. even to non-fans the thing don't make sense.

What point... Prince was not a fat pill-popping Elvis. Prince's problem had to become toxic after 2014, the last time I saw him. I saw no indications of addiction when attending two back-to-back charity concerts. The next year is when I started noticing how he was getting thin and looking older. Prince was on point in 2014. If he became addicted to pain pills, it was in very recent history...

Anyone with a lick of sense can see his problems with these pills were recent and possiblity due to health issues that were getting the best of him. His appearance just changed so from 2014 and on. People do not age overnight. It would not take long to be hooked on those pills and he would not have survived a 20-year addiction to pain pills.

Even non-fans are puzzled. Lifelong drug addicts are not able to have work ethic or discipline like he had. They just cannot do it especially since Prince was such a one-man shop.

PeteSilas said:

purplethunder3121 said:

What point... Prince was not a fat pill-popping Elvis. Prince's problem had to become toxic after 2014, the last time I saw him. I saw no indications of addiction when attending two back-to-back charity concerts. The next year is when I started noticing how he was getting thin and looking older. Prince was on point in 2014. If he became addicted to pain pills, it was in very recent history...

that's when the shit was showing but i recall it was in 2011 wasn't it that some alarmed lady wrote a leaked letter that said Prince was taking pills like m&m's, that was our first indication of trouble. In fact, it was there that someone said "he'll be dead by the time he's 57" and we crucified them, they were right though.

Yes, but if he had medical issues that causes pain what was he suppose to do? This is one of the reasons I hope one day his family can explain what happend to him. Now we know that they do not even have the ME report and may be just as in the dark as we are it is very disturbing.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

that's when the shit was showing but i recall it was in 2011 wasn't it that some alarmed lady wrote a leaked letter that said Prince was taking pills like m&m's, that was our first indication of trouble. In fact, it was there that someone said "he'll be dead by the time he's 57" and we crucified them, they were right though.

Yes, but if he had medical issues that causes pain what was he suppose to do? This is one of the reasons I hope one day his family can explain what happend to him. Now we know that they do not even have the ME report and may be just as in the dark as we are it is very disturbing.

I don't know, not tour that's for sure. Not listen to the wrong people like the jw's. Religion screws up so many things, maybe he could have had a couple surgeries and not been in so much pain. nothing's guaranteed though, little richard had a botched hip surgery in 2009 and is in a wheelchair today.

rogifan said:

At the beginning of one of the LA Conga Room shows in 2009. “Who’s out there smoking them funny cigarettes? Kathy you gonna have to get me a fan down here. I’d appreciate it if you don’t smoke. I don’t indulge. There ain’t no sense in both of us dying. What you do in your own crib is cool but your in my house now.” [Edited 2/6/18 18:23pm]

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, but if he had medical issues that causes pain what was he suppose to do? This is one of the reasons I hope one day his family can explain what happend to him. Now we know that they do not even have the ME report and may be just as in the dark as we are it is very disturbing.

I don't know, not tour that's for sure. Not listen to the wrong people like the jw's. Religion screws up so many things, maybe he could have had a couple surgeries and not been in so much pain. nothing's guaranteed though, little richard had a botched hip surgery in 2009 and is in a wheelchair today.

I don't know of any other christian denomination that has issues with surgeries and blood transfusions like the JW

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't know, not tour that's for sure. Not listen to the wrong people like the jw's. Religion screws up so many things, maybe he could have had a couple surgeries and not been in so much pain. nothing's guaranteed though, little richard had a botched hip surgery in 2009 and is in a wheelchair today.

I don't know of any other christian denomination that has issues with surgeries and blood transfusions like the JW

it's a dumb idea, but, then we don't know everything. as i've said before, lots of black folk don't really trust doctors, my stepdad told me the story of how his grandma could have had surgery to save her life but she just said if she was suppossed to die she was suppossed to die. I had an Indian friend who refused heart surgery too, he was 82.

laurarichardson said:

Some people live in a fantasy world and really think all wealthy people are Satan. They are all depraved. Granted the sexual harrassment stuff lately does not help but none realizes these people are human and while they have money they are also under pressure and living under a microscope.

disch said:

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

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As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

Yes, Laura, and how many of us would have done any better, living under that microscope? It is suprising that many of them do so well at their craft for that long, having to live with every decision you make torn apart in the media. (I still miss Whitney Houston every time some star sings the national anthem at the Superbowl too...no one has yet surpassed her rendition.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't know, not tour that's for sure. Not listen to the wrong people like the jw's. Religion screws up so many things, maybe he could have had a couple surgeries and not been in so much pain. nothing's guaranteed though, little richard had a botched hip surgery in 2009 and is in a wheelchair today.

I don't know of any other christian denomination that has issues with surgeries and blood transfusions like the JW

The JWs have said they have nothing against this stuff and you know you can use your own blood.

instead of having a tranfusion.

Christian Science are the one that do not believe in surgeries and we have a few people who have said Prince had surgery. I do not think his issues have anything to do with religion whatsoever. It could be that he had a botched surgery as well. We just do not know?

[Edited 2/9/18 9:30am]

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know of any other christian denomination that has issues with surgeries and blood transfusions like the JW

The JWs have said they have nothing against this stuff and you know you can use your own blood.

instead of having a tranfusion.

Christian Science are the one that do not believe in surgeries and we have a few people who have said Prince had surgery. I do not think his issues have anything to do with religion whatsoever. It could be that he had a botched surgery as well. We just do not know?

[Edited 2/9/18 9:30am]

the jw's i've seen in posts have lamely tried to defend themselves, sure, they allow surgery and so on. To me though, it sounds like Prince avoided surgery for as long as he could and he probably never had hip replacement surgery so he was probably still in horrible pain. Maybe the jw's had some good influence on Prince, he seemed to become humbler and nicer as he got older and he certainly was more stable than he was in the mid 90's but it's kinda sad to see prince, a true maverick, being controlled by anyone or anything. People don't really change though, the real Prince was there all the time and I think he was coming out of the jw dogma at the time of his death. jw's would frown on his talk of astral projection, talking to dead relatives, and they don't even believe in the souls existence past death.