rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

naw we cannot blame the org. People who think that are in other groups or just not fans and don't have the info. And yes the media and general public were saying he was a junkie. Simmons also called Prince a 'junkie' because he was projecting.

People think famous person and the prejudice of 'Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll' is immediately applied. When someone famous especially a musician, drugs or an std is immediately applied.

Which media outlets are calling him a junkie? Tabloid trash like TMZ and Daily Fail?

yep, there was the died of AIDS thing.

coworker said on the day he died 'It was probably AIDS' In utter annoyance, I asked why AIDS? He said 'because of all the sex he had' I immediately schooled the fool on Sex and Aids, and then Prince. And told him to shut the fuck up.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

naw we cannot blame the org. People who think that are in other groups or just not fans and don't have the info. And yes the media and general public were saying he was a junkie. Simmons also called Prince a 'junkie' because he was projecting.

People think 'famous person' and the prejudice of 'Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll' is immediately applied. When someone is famous especially a musician, drugs or an std is immediately applied.

Exactly, the general public thinks all celebs are druggies which is absurd. Remember some of the nasty stuff about Robin Williams almost the minute he died.

Just mean and no retraction once it was discovered he had Parkinsons.

Yes, I remember that, people were so self righteous about Robin committing suicide.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly, the general public thinks all celebs are druggies which is absurd. Remember some of the nasty stuff about Robin Williams almost the minute he died.

Just mean and no retraction once it was discovered he had Parkinsons.

Yes, I remember that, people were so self righteous about Robin committing suicide.

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

-

As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I remember that, people were so self righteous about Robin committing suicide.

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

yup,i watched a docu from sometime around the early 80's about the old time stars, i was surprised at how so many of the stars had the world by the tail and they threw it away, difference was, in the 20's 30's and 40's, it was usually alcohol and not pills or drugs. But what I took away from it was how hard it is for people to find peace and happiness in this society even under ideal financial circumstances.

disch said:

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

-

As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

PeteSilas said:

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I remember that, people were so self righteous about Robin committing suicide.

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

PeteSilas, of course not everyone, if it was everyone then that means I was judging him too

I listened to media programs and read things where he was called selfish (which is something people actually accuse suicide victims of) because they are leaving friends and family in a state of confusion and pain. And read things about Robin Williams, that made me angry and that I had to reply to in contrast.

Well I'll say like Judge Judy, "since you don't remember I'll take the word of the person that does" lol

.

Seriously thought,

Musicians and Actors are always assumed to be involved in Wild Sex and Drugs and wild lifestyles. That is a judgment. And there were magazines and articles in those first few months about Prince having AIDS.

.

Gene Simmons came out saying Prince died because of that Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll lifestyle too

I read things on other discussion groups and someone on the Org even said they were glad Whitney was dead, because she destroyed RnB. People can be compassionate, but people can also be selfish cruel and self righteous too. That same people that praise someone to the top can also be the same people waiting for that person to fall.

.

Whether it is in a gossip mag or a 'legit' magazine it means people believe it or will believe it or open to believing it.

disch said:

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

-

As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

PeteSilas said:

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

i still believe it's possible the blind item rumor was true, the aids thing. I'm not sure just like no one else is here though. What are the odds of that comiing out a week before and then prince dying the very next week? However, I'm open to just about anything, which is why i wish we could just get some straight answers. I do not think it was just a case of an addict. too many other inconsistencies. after Petty died people said "what about tom" well, tom has used drugs going back to the 60's, he was a heroin addict and he did admit in his bio that no one can kick opioids on their own and that he found himself hanging out with people he wouldn't be around in a million years. so, there was a history there. With Prince, rumours of hip problems, rumors of pill abuse, the plane thing and then he's dead, nothing nearly like most other rockers who show obvious signs for years of drug use, it's still a mystery.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well I'll say like Judge Judy, "since you don't remember I'll take the word of the person that does" lol

.

Seriously thought,

Musicians and Actors are always assumed to be involved in Wild Sex and Drugs and wild lifestyles. That is a judgment. And there were magazines and articles in those first few months about Prince having AIDS.

.

Gene Simmons came out saying Prince died because of that Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll lifestyle too

.

Whether it is in a gossip mag or a 'legit' magazine it means people believe it or will believe it or open to believing it.

disch said:

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

-

As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

I was behind the El Rey venue after Prince performed and did a press conference in 2004. Renato was in the back smoking on a cigarette several different times. Obviously Prince was cool with it enough to allow him to puff away. I assume P knew he was back there. Weed smoking was a common occurnce at Prince's shows. Man, I miss him...

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klick2me said:

I was behind the El Rey venue after Prince performed and did a press conference in 2004. Renato was in the back smoking on a cigarette several different times. Obviously Prince was cool with it enough to allow him to puff away. I assume P knew he was back there. Weed smoking was a common occurnce at Prince's shows. Man, I miss him...

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back in 2004 i watched neto come in the back of the arena here for the show in seattle, he was puffing away and no one gave him any attention. we were all waiting for prince, a limo came, it was a decoy, then, a minute later a cargo truck came and i surmised that that was him because minutes later i heard "one two three four"

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Exactly, the general public thinks all celebs are druggies which is absurd. Remember some of the nasty stuff about Robin Williams almost the minute he died.

Just mean and no retraction once it was discovered he had Parkinsons.

Yes, I remember that, people were so self righteous about Robin committing suicide.

Not only did Robin Williams suffer from life-long depression but he also had a rare form of Parkinson's-related dementia at the end.

Some people live in a fantasy world and really think all wealthy people are Satan. They are all depraved. Granted the sexual harrassment stuff lately does not help but none realizes these people are human and while they have money they are also under pressure and living under a microscope.

disch said:

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

-

As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

PeteSilas said:

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas said:

not everyone, i felt sad because i always felt Robin was basically a super nice man, i think a lot of people felt that. Problem with being in the public eye is, you will always be seen in a polarizing way.

PeteSilas, of course not everyone, if it was everyone then that means I was judging him too

I listened to media programs and read things where he was called selfish (which is something people actually accuse suicide victims of) because they are leaving friends and family in a state of confusion and pain. And read things about Robin Williams, that made me angry and that I had to reply to in contrast.

Remember reading that as well and it made me mad. Robin was known for going out his way to help homeless people and we never heard anything about him being as ass.

I do not think suicide is the solution to anything but you cannot judge someone in pain or knowing they will become unable to function. Just the thought of being a vegetable would be enough to send anyone over the edge.

His wife was going to put in a home a few days before he died. I cannot imagine with his depression that it pushed him to commit sucide.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well I'll say like Judge Judy, "since you don't remember I'll take the word of the person that does" lol

.

Seriously thought,

Musicians and Actors are always assumed to be involved in Wild Sex and Drugs and wild lifestyles. That is a judgment. And there were magazines and articles in those first few months about Prince having AIDS.

.

Gene Simmons came out saying Prince died because of that Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll lifestyle too

I read things on other discussion groups and someone on the Org even said they were glad Whitney was dead, because she destroyed RnB. People can be compassionate, but people can also be selfish cruel and self righteous too. That same people that praise someone to the top can also be the same people waiting for that person to fall.

.

Whether it is in a gossip mag or a 'legit' magazine it means people believe it or will believe it or open to believing it.

disch said:

Yeah I don't remember all this rampant judgmentalism that others seem to remember around celebrity deaths, like Robin Williams or even Prince, with people and/or "the media" making constant nasty comments about drugs, depression, whatever. I really do believe most people are compassionate at heart and when they find out someone's personal struggles contributed to their untimely death, they sympathize. And they don't stop loving someone who's work they've admired.

-

As to the idea that some people are so revolted by the idea or rock starts taking drugs: Let's just say if the public actually did rejected any rock star (or jazz musician) who took drugs (or was even a hard-core addict), the industry would have died a long time ago. And half the people we consider legends now would have been dumped in the ash heap of history.

The fact that these type of horrendous headlines still exist saddens me... How little we have progressed. I know people living with HIV who are HEALTHY because of the drugs that are available now; I remember when people were dying like flies from AIDS. Why would someone as wealthy as Prince not take advantage of the drugs that allow people to live a long and healthy life these days if he had HIV? It makes no sense. Like a lot of other BS. SMH

the rumor that came out a week before he passed said that some ['crazy religious people" had talked him out of taking his medication. You know, when you think of it, how many loopy beliefs our man had, that age didn't exist, that he had someone living inside of him, Prince had odd beliefs, it sounds like something someone could tell him, i think it's possible. Tommy Morrison, heavyweight boxer, fell for the bullshit that "hiv is a myth" too and he died a couple years ago, denying to his dying day that he had aids, i think his final death report had no mention of aids also.

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well I'll say like Judge Judy, "since you don't remember I'll take the word of the person that does" lol

.

Seriously thought,

Musicians and Actors are always assumed to be involved in Wild Sex and Drugs and wild lifestyles. That is a judgment. And there were magazines and articles in those first few months about Prince having AIDS.

.

Gene Simmons came out saying Prince died because of that Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll lifestyle too

I read things on other discussion groups and someone on the Org even said they were glad Whitney was dead, because she destroyed RnB. People can be compassionate, but people can also be selfish cruel and self righteous too. That same people that praise someone to the top can also be the same people waiting for that person to fall.

.

Whether it is in a gossip mag or a 'legit' magazine it means people believe it or will believe it or open to believing it.

The fact that these type of horrendous headlines still exist saddens me... How little we have progressed. I know people living with HIV who are HEALTHY because of the drugs that are available now; I remember when people were dying like flies from AIDS. Why would someone as wealthy as Prince not take advantage of the drugs that allow people to live a long and healthy life these days if he had HIV? It makes no sense. Like a lot of other BS. SMH

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas, of course not everyone, if it was everyone then that means I was judging him too

I listened to media programs and read things where he was called selfish (which is something people actually accuse suicide victims of) because they are leaving friends and family in a state of confusion and pain. And read things about Robin Williams, that made me angry and that I had to reply to in contrast.

Remember reading that as well and it made me mad. Robin was known for going out his way to help homeless people and we never heard anything about him being as ass.

I do not think suicide is the solution to anything but you cannot judge someone in pain or knowing they will become unable to function. Just the thought of being a vegetable would be enough to send anyone over the edge.

His wife was going to put in a home a few days before he died. I cannot imagine with his depression that it pushed him to commit sucide.

his wife was going to put him in a home?

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well I'll say like Judge Judy, "since you don't remember I'll take the word of the person that does" lol

.

Seriously thought,

Musicians and Actors are always assumed to be involved in Wild Sex and Drugs and wild lifestyles. That is a judgment. And there were magazines and articles in those first few months about Prince having AIDS.

.

Gene Simmons came out saying Prince died because of that Sex Drugs & Rock n Roll lifestyle too

I read things on other discussion groups and someone on the Org even said they were glad Whitney was dead, because she destroyed RnB. People can be compassionate, but people can also be selfish cruel and self righteous too. That same people that praise someone to the top can also be the same people waiting for that person to fall.

.

Whether it is in a gossip mag or a 'legit' magazine it means people believe it or will believe it or open to believing it.

The fact that these type of horrendous headlines still exist saddens me... How little we have progressed. I know people living with HIV who are HEALTHY because of the drugs that are available now; I remember when people were dying like flies from AIDS. Why would someone as wealthy as Prince not take advantage of the drugs that allow people to live a long and healthy life these days if he had HIV? It makes no sense. Like a lot of other BS. SMH

It was someone taking a swipe at his religion. He was sitting on a rack of cash and if he could take pain pills for joint pain. He could have just as easily taken HIV meds. Makes no sense at all and notice how this story died real quit.

klick2me said:

I was behind the El Rey venue after Prince performed and did a press conference in 2004. Renato was in the back smoking on a cigarette several different times. Obviously Prince was cool with it enough to allow him to puff away. I assume P knew he was back there. Weed smoking was a common occurnce at Prince's shows. Man, I miss him...

[Edited 2/8/18 9:29am]

Well, he certainly was cool with Lisa smoking in the Automatic-Video and with people in the audience of the Purple Rain Film who were smoking.

I think at the Cologne aftershow his divaesque behavior could be explained by simply having a bad day. He seemed a bit serious and did not talk much.
At the main show in Cologne he was having trouble with the staff of the venue. He came on stage very late and then cut the gig short. I think he played only 90 minutes and some people were booing that he did not play longer. I still enjoyed the concert but the reviews in the press were not that great either.

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[Edited 2/8/18 11:04am]

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I remember that, people were so self righteous about Robin committing suicide.

Not only did Robin Williams suffer from life-long depression but he also had a rare form of Parkinson's-related dementia at the end.

Yes, I think it was What Things/Dreams May Come or something about that where he indirectly addressed depression.

He had a lot going on that people didn't know, they just wanted him to entertain them and smile.
He was a pain for a long time.

theplejades said:

klick2me said:

I was behind the El Rey venue after Prince performed and did a press conference in 2004. Renato was in the back smoking on a cigarette several different times. Obviously Prince was cool with it enough to allow him to puff away. I assume P knew he was back there. Weed smoking was a common occurnce at Prince's shows. Man, I miss him...

[Edited 2/8/18 9:29am]

Well, he certainly was cool with Lisa smoking in the Automatic-Video and with people in the audience of the Purple Rain Film who were smoking.

I think at the Cologne aftershow his divaesque behavior could be explained by simply having a bad day. He seemed a bit serious and did not talk much.
At the main show in Cologne he was having trouble with the staff of the venue. He came on stage very late and then cut the gig short. I think he played only 90 minutes and some people were booing that he did not play longer. I still enjoyed the concert but the reviews in the press were not that great either.

[Edited 2/8/18 11:03am]

[Edited 2/8/18 11:04am]

He probably had had much less issues with it then. Especially writing songs that included smoking (all I've got is 2 cigarettes and this broken heart of mine...) and with Lisa there was a famous smoking starlett he adored who he channelled onto Lisa.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Not only did Robin Williams suffer from life-long depression but he also had a rare form of Parkinson's-related dementia at the end.

Yes, I think it was What Things/Dreams May Come or something about that where he indirectly addressed depression.

He had a lot going on that people didn't know, they just wanted him to entertain them and smile.
He was a pain for a long time.

He was an alcoholic who stopped drinking for many years, I think the Parkinson's dementia diagnosis pushed him over the edge, as it would many people. Comedy is the flip-side of depression for many comedians...as well as in other artistic endeavors... I never met Robin but I heard many stories about how kind and generous he was from people who met him.

OldFriends4Sale said:

theplejades said:

Well, he certainly was cool with Lisa smoking in the Automatic-Video and with people in the audience of the Purple Rain Film who were smoking.

I think at the Cologne aftershow his divaesque behavior could be explained by simply having a bad day. He seemed a bit serious and did not talk much.
At the main show in Cologne he was having trouble with the staff of the venue. He came on stage very late and then cut the gig short. I think he played only 90 minutes and some people were booing that he did not play longer. I still enjoyed the concert but the reviews in the press were not that great either.

[Edited 2/8/18 11:03am]

[Edited 2/8/18 11:04am]

He probably had had much less issues with it then. Especially writing songs that included smoking (all I've got is 2 cigarettes and this broken heart of mine...) and with Lisa there was a famous smoking starlett he adored who he channelled onto Lisa.

Smoking was part of the culture back then--tobacco that is. lol I'm still struggling with my tobacco addiction. But smoking weed is still a concert tradition at every music venue that I attend in every state, legal or not.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeteSilas, of course not everyone, if it was everyone then that means I was judging him too

I listened to media programs and read things where he was called selfish (which is something people actually accuse suicide victims of) because they are leaving friends and family in a state of confusion and pain. And read things about Robin Williams, that made me angry and that I had to reply to in contrast.

Remember reading that as well and it made me mad. Robin was known for going out his way to help homeless people and we never heard anything about him being as ass.

I do not think suicide is the solution to anything but you cannot judge someone in pain or knowing they will become unable to function. Just the thought of being a vegetable would be enough to send anyone over the edge.

His wife was going to put in a home a few days before he died. I cannot imagine with his depression that it pushed him to commit sucide.

I agree,

I didn't know about the wife putting him in a home, but I do remember reading about how things were getting bad for him.

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He probably had had much less issues with it then. Especially writing songs that included smoking (all I've got is 2 cigarettes and this broken heart of mine...) and with Lisa there was a famous smoking starlett he adored who he channelled onto Lisa.

Smoking was part of the culture back then--tobacco that is. lol I'm still struggling with my tobacco addiction. But smoking weed is still a concert tradition at every music venue that I attend in every state, legal or not.

right,

I remember Stevie Wonder stopping a show and telling the audience it was too much lol

purplethunder3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I think it was What Things/Dreams May Come or something about that where he indirectly addressed depression.

He had a lot going on that people didn't know, they just wanted him to entertain them and smile.
He was a pain for a long time.

He was an alcoholic who stopped drinking for many years, I think the Parkinson's dementia diagnosis pushed him over the edge, as it would many people. Comedy is the flip-side of depression for many comedians...as well as in other artistic endeavors... I never met Robin but I heard many stories about how kind and generous he was from people who met him.

Robin committed suicide, it was not realized until after his death that he had LBD (Lewy Body Dimentia). All he knew was that he was hallucinating and "losing it".

"Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it.....and not from something he would ever know the name of, or understand" (quote from his wife's letter)

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Remember reading that as well and it made me mad. Robin was known for going out his way to help homeless people and we never heard anything about him being as ass.

I do not think suicide is the solution to anything but you cannot judge someone in pain or knowing they will become unable to function. Just the thought of being a vegetable would be enough to send anyone over the edge.

His wife was going to put in a home a few days before he died. I cannot imagine with his depression that it pushed him to commit sucide.

I agree,

I didn't know about the wife putting him in a home, but I do remember reading about how things were getting bad for him.

precioux said:

purplethunder3121 said:

He was an alcoholic who stopped drinking for many years, I think the Parkinson's dementia diagnosis pushed him over the edge, as it would many people. Comedy is the flip-side of depression for many comedians...as well as in other artistic endeavors... I never met Robin but I heard many stories about how kind and generous he was from people who met him.

Robin committed suicide, it was not realized until after his death that he had LBD (Lewy Body Dimentia). All he knew was that he was hallucinating and "losing it".

"Robin was losing his mind and he was aware of it.....and not from something he would ever know the name of, or understand" (quote from his wife's letter)

Well, that would certainly do it, wouldn't it...

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Smoking was part of the culture back then--tobacco that is. lol I'm still struggling with my tobacco addiction. But smoking weed is still a concert tradition at every music venue that I attend in every state, legal or not.

right,

I remember Stevie Wonder stopping a show and telling the audience it was too much lol

I finally got to see Stevie Wonder for the first time doing my all time favorite album "Songs In The Key of Life" in 2014. Once in a lifetime concert! It was wonderful. But, even then people were puffing clouds of "funny cigarette" smoke into the air... At some point, the artists just give up.