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I am talking about April 20th he was in the hospital. When he left that hospital what would he have not known about his health? He had legit Rx written and Kirk had pain pills written for himself that were found in Prince’s things. What makes you think he did not know what he was doing when he left that hospital? He could have stayed in that hospital and treatment right there or been flown anywhere at a moments notice. He choose to leave. said:[quote]He knew he ODed on opioids. He wouldn't have needed a test at the hospital to tell him that (his revival by Narcan would show that). I don’t know one way or the other if he (or the hospital) knew the specific opioid that caused it, especially the OD was from a laced, mislabeled counterfeit pill that actually had a bunch of different opioids in it than its label indicated. Laurarichardson said:[quote]You honestly think he was so clueless by the 20th even after being in a hospital that he had no idea what was going? He might not have known when he spoke to Adrian before going to Atlanta or when left the stage and spoke to the Atlanta promoter but he knew what was going on after he came down off that plane. They certainly inform you before you leave the hospital. —— disch said: I think most people who take illegal pills -- or illegal drugs generally -- aren't intending to OD. In Prince's case, he might not have realized why he ODed the first time (that the pills were fentanyl-laced). He might not have realized that the same fate would await the next time he took pills from that batch (or maybe he just got the batches mixed up; he had lots of stuff in various bottles). - The Moline incident still seems really hazy. If I recall the warrant correctly, Prince was reported as saying he took a couple "pain pills," and Kirk mentioned Percocets -- but who knows if that's accurate and/or if those Percocets were real or counterfeit. And we don't now if they did tests in Moline to ID the specific opioid he ODed on; I'm not sure there would have been a reson for them to run a test like that. (Or if Prince would have agreed to it.)
cloveringold85 said:
Morgaine said:
purplefam99 said: I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜
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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?
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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?
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I'm just trying to understand your logic.
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Laura, engaging with you is very challenging because it sounds like you don't read what I write, and you attribute comments to me that i never made. I know that it means a whole lot to you to be able to argue with people here (it's must be some kind of a release for you, I guess.) So I'm feeling generous tonight, and I'll engage with you one time as a favor to you.
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"When he left that hospital what would he have not known about his health?" I don't understand this comment, as it doesn't relate to anything I said. In my comment I said that he would've known he ODed on opioids that day, but I didn't know if he was tested there to find out the specific opioid (for example, if it was fentanyl from a laced counterfeit pill. I have not seen any credible reports that confirm the specific opoids from that OD). That was the entirety of what i wrote.
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"What makes you think he did not know what he was doing when he left that hospital?" I don't understand this comment. I never said anything that "him not knowing what he was doing when he left the hospital." Once again, all I said was that I don't know (beause it's never been reported) if he was tested there to determine the specific opioid responsible for the OD. Beyond that, I had nothing to add then or now.
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I am talking about April 20th he was in the hospital. When he left that hospital what would he have not known about his health? He had legit Rx written and Kirk had pain pills written for himself that were found in Prince’s things. What makes you think he did not know what he was doing when he left that hospital? He could have stayed in that hospital and treatment right there or been flown anywhere at a moments notice. He choose to leave. said:
He knew he ODed on opioids. He wouldn't have needed a test at the hospital to tell him that (his revival by Narcan would show that). I don’t know one way or the other if he (or the hospital) knew the specific opioid that caused it, especially the OD was from a laced, mislabeled counterfeit pill that actually had a bunch of different opioids in it than its label indicated. [Edited 2/2/18 17:04pm]
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disch said:
I think most people who take illegal pills -- or illegal drugs generally -- aren't intending to OD. In Prince's case, he might not have realized why he ODed the first time (that the pills were fentanyl-laced). He might not have realized that the same fate would await the next time he took pills from that batch (or maybe he just got the batches mixed up; he had lots of stuff in various bottles).
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The Moline incident still seems really hazy. If I recall the warrant correctly, Prince was reported as saying he took a couple "pain pills," and Kirk mentioned Percocets -- but who knows if that's accurate and/or if those Percocets were real or counterfeit. And we don't now if they did tests in Moline to ID the specific opioid he ODed on; I'm not sure there would have been a reson for them to run a test like that. (Or if Prince would have agreed to it.)
cloveringold85 said:
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To the bolded:
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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?
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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?
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I'm just trying to understand your logic.
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I'm pretty sure the reports stated Prince's OD the first time was Percocet. I'm not sure where this Fentanyl-laced story is coming from. First I heard of it.
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Kirk is not being truthful. When CBS asked him "Was Prince hurting?"......he said "I don't know?" Now, WTF would you say "I don't know" about your friend who died from a drug overdose?!! To protect his privacy? BULLSHIT.
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Mumio said:
rogifan said:
True. But we keep proving it over and over. Seriously at what point do people get sick of talking about this? It’s the same comments over and over with conspiracy theories and arguing thrown in for good measure. The horse is rolling in it’s grave at this point. 
The REAL question is why is it that you, Sonshine, and others who think this same way continue to come into threads that you know this is being discussed in just to whine about it? Isn't it crystal clear at this point, as if it wasn't long ago  , that those who want to continue talking about this don't care if you like it or not? Or do you do it just so you can take shots at people even though you don't want to take part in or add to the conversation? Or do you think you are morally superior to those who discuss these things? Because I sure can't see any reason at all why those who dislike these conversations and think they are the worst.thing.ever. just can't stay the hell away from them.
I don't have any issues with you rogifan but this business is annoying as fuck and I can't figure out why you come into these threads just to whine. Can't you find something else here on prince.org that you actually WANT to participate in? Surely there are other threads that interest you?
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Mumio -- well said. There are lots of threads that I don't partake in because it's not of interest to me. I'm here, because I value what other people have to say about the investigation into Prince's death. I just want to say, we're not here to bitch and moan -- maybe we are still grieving and need to talk about it? It's called "therapy". If the subject is bothersome to some folks, then stay away. If it's not important to you, then no need to be here. It's not that complicated.
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We have something in this country that's called "Freedom of Speech".
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We're not here to disrespect Prince or drag his name through the mud. We are here because we CARE and we LOVE him.
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Peace! 
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The Percocet was from a warrant in which in investigator says that Kirk has said it might have been a Percocet. But Kirk might have been wrong — plus prince had counterfeit pills so it might have looked like Percocet (and maybe he even thought it was) but it might have had something else in it. I don’t think we know enough to know for sure what happened then other than opioid od Cloveringold85 said:
disch said:
I think most people who take illegal pills -- or illegal drugs generally -- aren't intending to OD. In Prince's case, he might not have realized why he ODed the first time (that the pills were fentanyl-laced). He might not have realized that the same fate would await the next time he took pills from that batch (or maybe he just got the batches mixed up; he had lots of stuff in various bottles).
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The Moline incident still seems really hazy. If I recall the warrant correctly, Prince was reported as saying he took a couple "pain pills," and Kirk mentioned Percocets -- but who knows if that's accurate and/or if those Percocets were real or counterfeit. And we don't now if they did tests in Moline to ID the specific opioid he ODed on; I'm not sure there would have been a reson for them to run a test like that. (Or if Prince would have agreed to it.)
cloveringold85 said:
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To the bolded:
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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?
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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?
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I'm just trying to understand your logic.
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. I'm pretty sure the reports stated Prince's OD the first time was Percocet. I'm not sure where this Fentanyl-laced story is coming from. First I heard of it. . Kirk is not being truthful. When CBS asked him "Was Prince hurting?".....he said "I don't know?" Now, WTF would you say "I don't know" about your friend who died from a drug overdose?!! To protect his privacy? BULLSHIT. |
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Mumio said:
rogifan said:
True. But we keep proving it over and over. Seriously at what point do people get sick of talking about this? It’s the same comments over and over with conspiracy theories and arguing thrown in for good measure. The horse is rolling in it’s grave at this point.
The REAL question is why is it that you, Sonshine, and others who think this same way continue to come into threads that you know this is being discussed in just to whine about it? Isn't it crystal clear at this point, as if it wasn't long ago , that those who want to continue talking about this don't care if you like it or not? Or do you do it just so you can take shots at people even though you don't want to take part in or add to the conversation? Or do you think you are morally superior to those who discuss these things? Because I sure can't see any reason at all why those who dislike these conversations and think they are the worst.thing.ever. just can't stay the hell away from them.
I don't have any issues with you rogifan but this business is annoying as fuck and I can't figure out why you come into these threads just to whine. Can't you find something else here on prince.org that you actually WANT to participate in? Surely there are other threads that interest you?
Well thank you for putting me in my place. Lol and for coming to the defense of those you feel i have maligned. But i think everyone here holds their own just fine.
Btw free speech works both ways for all those that like to remind us of our constitutional rights ad nauseum.
I get that you don't like me. But seriously aren't you just a little bit bothered by the repetitious, no ground gained, nature of these conversations. Honestly i just try to put myself in the shoes of the person we take such liberty in discussing. I know he's gone but i'm confident at this point he would wish to rest in peace. This is a board devoted to him so i feel devoted to occasionally trying to remind others here to respect what i believe he would want. I didn't know him personally. Same as the rest of you. But you are lying to yourselves if you think he would approve of these threads. As "fans" wouldn't you want to conduct yourselves in ways he would approve? Just sayin.
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cloveringold85 said:
Mumio -- well said. There are lots of threads that I don't partake in because it's not of interest to me. I'm here, because I value what other people have to say about the investigation into Prince's death. I just want to say, we're not here to bitch and moan -- maybe we are still grieving and need to talk about it? It's called "therapy". If the subject is bothersome to some folks, then stay away. If it's not important to you, then no need to be here. It's not that complicated.
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We have something in this country that's called "Freedom of Speech".
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We're not here to disrespect Prince or drag his name through the mud. We are here because we CARE and we LOVE him.
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Peace!
 As you said, it's not that complicated.
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sonshine said:
Mumio said:
The REAL question is why is it that you, Sonshine, and others who think this same way continue to come into threads that you know this is being discussed in just to whine about it? Isn't it crystal clear at this point, as if it wasn't long ago , that those who want to continue talking about this don't care if you like it or not? Or do you do it just so you can take shots at people even though you don't want to take part in or add to the conversation? Or do you think you are morally superior to those who discuss these things? Because I sure can't see any reason at all why those who dislike these conversations and think they are the worst.thing.ever. just can't stay the hell away from them.
I don't have any issues with you rogifan but this business is annoying as fuck and I can't figure out why you come into these threads just to whine. Can't you find something else here on prince.org that you actually WANT to participate in? Surely there are other threads that interest you?
Well thank you for putting me in my place. Lol and for coming to the defense of those you feel i have maligned. But i think everyone here holds their own just fine. Btw free speech works both ways for all those that like to remind us of our constitutional rights ad nauseum. I get that you don't like me. But seriously aren't you just a little bit bothered by the repetitious, no ground gained, nature of these conversations. Honestly i just try to put myself in the shoes of the person we take such liberty in discussing. I know he's gone but i'm confident at this point he would wish to rest in peace. This is a board devoted to him so i feel devoted to occasionally trying to remind others here to respect what i believe he would want. I didn't know him personally. Same as the rest of you. But you are lying to yourselves if you think he would approve of these threads. As "fans" wouldn't you want to conduct yourselves in ways he would approve? Just sayin. Namaste [Edited 2/3/18 19:20pm]
In all fairness , Sonshine, you do whine about why we who are interested in how/why he died are having these discussions on this thread. This is not a private forum. After all, there are (2) million more threads to participate in and maybe you should seek out those threads that best meets your expctations of what should be discussed. I certainly will not stop discussing it (until I find out one more thing at least). |
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Menes said:
sonshine said:
Mumio said:
The REAL question is why is it that you, Sonshine, and others who think this same way continue to come into threads that you know this is being discussed in just to whine about it? Isn't it crystal clear at this point, as if it wasn't long ago , that those who want to continue talking about this don't care if you like it or not? Or do you do it just so you can take shots at people even though you don't want to take part in or add to the conversation? Or do you think you are morally superior to those who discuss these things? Because I sure can't see any reason at all why those who dislike these conversations and think they are the worst.thing.ever. just can't stay the hell away from them.
I don't have any issues with you rogifan but this business is annoying as fuck and I can't figure out why you come into these threads just to whine. Can't you find something else here on prince.org that you actually WANT to participate in? Surely there are other threads that interest you?
Well thank you for putting me in my place. Lol and for coming to the defense of those you feel i have maligned. But i think everyone here holds their own just fine. Btw free speech works both ways for all those that like to remind us of our constitutional rights ad nauseum. I get that you don't like me. But seriously aren't you just a little bit bothered by the repetitious, no ground gained, nature of these conversations. Honestly i just try to put myself in the shoes of the person we take such liberty in discussing. I know he's gone but i'm confident at this point he would wish to rest in peace. This is a board devoted to him so i feel devoted to occasionally trying to remind others here to respect what i believe he would want. I didn't know him personally. Same as the rest of you. But you are lying to yourselves if you think he would approve of these threads. As "fans" wouldn't you want to conduct yourselves in ways he would approve? Just sayin. Namaste [Edited 2/3/18 19:20pm]
In all fairness , Sonshine, you do whine about why we who are interested in how/why he died are having these discussions on this thread. This is not a private forum. After all, there are (2) million more threads to participate in and maybe you should seek out those threads that best meets your expctations of what should be discussed. I certainly will not stop discussing it (until I find out one more thing at least). It's obvious that i hit a nerve or you wouldn't all be getting so defensive i.e. whiney. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN |
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disch said:
The Percocet was from a warrant in which in investigator says that Kirk has said it might have been a Percocet. But Kirk might have been wrong — plus prince had counterfeit pills so it might have looked like Percocet (and maybe he even thought it was) but it might have had something else in it. I don’t think we know enough to know for sure what happened then other than opioid od Cloveringold85 said:
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I'm pretty sure the reports stated Prince's OD the first time was Percocet. I'm not sure where this Fentanyl-laced story is coming from. First I heard of it.
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Kirk is not being truthful. When CBS asked him "Was Prince hurting?"......he said "I don't know?" Now, WTF would you say "I don't know" about your friend who died from a drug overdose?!! To protect his privacy? BULLSHIT.
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Yes, that's true.
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sonshine said:
Menes said:
In all fairness , Sonshine, you do whine about why we who are interested in how/why he died are having these discussions on this thread. This is not a private forum. After all, there are (2) million more threads to participate in and maybe you should seek out those threads that best meets your expctations of what should be discussed. I certainly will not stop discussing it (until I find out one more thing at least).
It's obvious that i hit a nerve or you wouldn't all be getting so defensive i.e. whiney.
Yes, yes, of course. Now that you have had a glimpse of your own face in the mirror, you should have no problems skipping over threads that cause you to react in the same fashion. |
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sonshine said:
Mumio said:
The REAL question is why is it that you, Sonshine, and others who think this same way continue to come into threads that you know this is being discussed in just to whine about it? Isn't it crystal clear at this point, as if it wasn't long ago , that those who want to continue talking about this don't care if you like it or not? Or do you do it just so you can take shots at people even though you don't want to take part in or add to the conversation? Or do you think you are morally superior to those who discuss these things? Because I sure can't see any reason at all why those who dislike these conversations and think they are the worst.thing.ever. just can't stay the hell away from them.
I don't have any issues with you rogifan but this business is annoying as fuck and I can't figure out why you come into these threads just to whine. Can't you find something else here on prince.org that you actually WANT to participate in? Surely there are other threads that interest you?
Well thank you for putting me in my place. Lol and for coming to the defense of those you feel i have maligned. But i think everyone here holds their own just fine. Btw free speech works both ways for all those that like to remind us of our constitutional rights ad nauseum. I get that you don't like me. But seriously aren't you just a little bit bothered by the repetitious, no ground gained, nature of these conversations. Honestly i just try to put myself in the shoes of the person we take such liberty in discussing. I know he's gone but i'm confident at this point he would wish to rest in peace. This is a board devoted to him so i feel devoted to occasionally trying to remind others here to respect what i believe he would want. I didn't know him personally. Same as the rest of you. But you are lying to yourselves if you think he would approve of these threads. As "fans" wouldn't you want to conduct yourselves in ways he would approve? Just sayin. Namaste [Edited 2/3/18 19:20pm]
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Sonshine: I don't think anyone here is saying that they don't like you. I personally don't have any issues with you. I just don't understand the need to come into threads that upset you, that's all.
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This thread is discussing Prince's death investigation. We're not here to harm anyone. I don't think we are disrespecting Prince's legacy by wanting to know what happened to him. How is it wrong to show love and genuine concern for others? I do not understand this. I lost my dear Mother 4-years ago, and I still talk about her and think about her every, single day. This is a part of the grieving process.
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I'm sorry you don't approve of these threads, but you make the choice to comment in them.
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Peace
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Yes I think we are at the end of the circle.  [Edited 2/8/18 10:30am] |
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Yes I think we are at the end of the circle. [Edited 2/8/18 10:30am]
I'll be back next week to see if there is anything more than some crumbs being sprinkled around.
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Menes said:
sonshine said:
Menes said: It's obvious that i hit a nerve or you wouldn't all be getting so defensive i.e. whiney.
Yes, yes, of course. Now that you have had a glimpse of your own face in the mirror, you should have no problems skipping over threads that cause you to react in the same fashion.
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Oh shoot I'm a day late.
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Still waiting. Maybe around the 21st of the month. Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end |
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Bodhitheblackdog said:
Menes said:
Has anyone put (2) and (2) together to come up with why it is NOT cancer?
All things being equal, all we have is a "post" that someone, who was related to someone, told someone, that another someone, was told by someone in the family, that Prince told someone that they should prepare... Are we going to challenge that "post" or just let it bask in all of its glory?
I say its time to seek a few things out and suss this shit out. There are ways to put (2) and (2) together.
I remain open-minded and it wouldn't change a thing for me if he did have cancer, but it's time to put up or shut up. As you people say around here, " receipts"!
co-sign BIGLY...Prince wasn't an idiot. If he had a terminal/painful illness he certainly knew he could obtain ALL the pharmaceutical grade pain pills he would ever need to the end, as well as the best personal care...just like he made sure to provide for his father for years without a hint of what went on behind those closed doors ever getting out..
If, however, he was addicted to pain meds, the picture changes radically. Then he was dealing with not only pain but shame, fear of being outed an an anti-drug hypocrite, the ins-and-outs of obtaining said pills and managing his intake in a body that wasn't properly nourished, hydrated and kept diminishng in size. He was dodging death with every pill he took and his body, because he was not taking proper care of himself, was a moving target.
I think he knew he could not keep it up, was overwhelmed, depressed, essentially alone in the world except for employees...and then he tried to punch a higher floor.
Very thoughtful. This is pretty much how I feel. You are a very famous person, but basically alone in the world, surrounded by your employees, not a close, loving family. (Partner in life, children that care about you as a person, not their employer.) You may be truely addicted, ashamed like you said, and just don't know what to do. I don't actually think it was cancer. All three of my nuclear family members have died from differnt types of cancer, and not one of them could have crawled in a car and went to Walgreens the week they died. My own son was addicted to opiates, and he was a healthy man in his 20's, and started looking skinny just like Prince. He was not married, but he had 3 sons and us (his parents) to help him into rehab, and managed to finally kick the drugs to the curb. So, I am just basing this on my own experience...still sad about it though. Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling... |
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cloveringold85 said:
Morgaine said:
laurarichardson said:
We have no proof that Prince was on board with an intervention. We are now hearing he was suppose to be at a holistic healing center. So what is the problem with someone in the last stages of life being addicted to drugs they are dying and should be comfortable. Not sure I follow the problem with that.
For a moment, let's assume Prince had a terminal illness snd did not know of an intervention, but his bff of 30+ years sets it up because he thinks he should what? Suffer? Your pov isn't logical for the same reasons it's illogical that he himself would choose to go to rehab for opiates. Please dont say his 30+ year bff didn't know he had a terminal illness. It doesn't make sense. He had problems with pain from doing thousands upon thousands of performances, many of which had after parties lasting upwards of two hours. It's not rocket science. Imho.
. Yea, and the real kicker is when CBS did that interview with KJ and he was asked: "Was Prince hurting?".....KJ said: "I don't know".  . 
I don't think it's up to KJ to tell the public anything he wishes not to. I also think Prince wss smart enough not to keep someone around for 30 years if all KJ did was say "yes." Just mho The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul |
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cloveringold85 said:
Morgaine said:
purplefam99 said:
While I can agree with what you bolded as being true (in Morgaines post), I don’t find that it profoundly or meaningfully sums up his life.
I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜
. To the bolded: . They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case? . How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional? . I'm just trying to understand your logic. To my knowledge the verifiable statement about which meds caused the Moline OD was KJ saying he thought 'maybe' it was Percocet. I assume Prince had some sort of tolerance to opiates and Moline wasn't his first time taking them; it makes logical sense he lived had chronic pain and would've taken them before. Which means it's more likely he'd OD from the acetaminophen (minimum 4000 mg) than the opiate in the Percocet, and would have had to take around 12-15 pills in a very short period of time. The way he closed his eyes (as Judith described) is not indicative of a standard pill opiate OD unless there was alcohol/another sedative (other pills, etc) involved. It's just my opinion based on what is known so far. I have no proof he ODd on fentanyl in Moline it just doesn't make logical sense to me given what is now known. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul |
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I agree with that ^ and thanks for the response. I didnt take your post as you saying In any way that those years summed his life up. I was trying to politely Disagree with the poster that said it did. We all loved him.
I didn't think you did 💜 I was just stating what I believe based on what's out there so far. I get why it's hard for some to think he may have been an addict. I have a cousin who was a war hero, everyone loved, etc, he passed away and the truth about some unknown activities came to light. Some people tried to find any answer other than the one they didn't like. To me, that was disrespectful: we are all flawed. Prince said he was. Because he's a nusical genius he can't have flaws? Isn't that part of the problem. Somewhat off topic but Gladys Knight was asked about MJs passing. She said (paraphrasing  ) 'we didn't let him have a life, we wanted him to be who we wanted him to be.' Though obviously quite different people in many ways, Prince and MJ had a level of fame few achieve. And it's a lot of pressure, no matter how it's spun. Just the number of people they both employed/took care of financially is a tremendous amount of stress. Thanks for your reply 💜💜💜
. Prince enjoyed what he did; I don't think he felt pressured about anything. . MJ was just living way beyond his means, and got himself into trouble. I agree. I was speaking to their both having global fame and some negative ways it impacted their lives. Back to topic The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul |
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disch said:[quote]He knew he ODed on opioids. He wouldn't have needed a test at the hospital to tell him that (his revival by Narcan would show that). I don’t know one way or the other if he (or the hospital) knew the specific opioid that caused it, especially the OD was from a laced, mislabeled counterfeit pill that actually had a bunch of different opioids in it than its label indicated. Laurarichardson said:[quote]You honestly think he was so clueless by the 20th even after being in a hospital that he had no idea what was going? He might not have known when he spoke to Adrian before going to Atlanta or when left the stage and spoke to the Atlanta promoter but he knew what was going on after he came down off that plane. They certainly inform you before you leave the hospital. —— disch said: I think most people who take illegal pills -- or illegal drugs generally -- aren't intending to OD. In Prince's case, he might not have realized why he ODed the first time (that the pills were fentanyl-laced). He might not have realized that the same fate would await the next time he took pills from that batch (or maybe he just got the batches mixed up; he had lots of stuff in various bottles). - The Moline incident still seems really hazy. If I recall the warrant correctly, Prince was reported as saying he took a couple "pain pills," and Kirk mentioned Percocets -- but who knows if that's accurate and/or if those Percocets were real or counterfeit. And we don't now if they did tests in Moline to ID the specific opioid he ODed on; I'm not sure there would have been a reson for them to run a test like that. (Or if Prince would have agreed to it.)
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Morgaine said:
purplefam99 said: I agree. I do not think those years summed up his life by any means. He lived 20+ years more and had lived almost 40 then. I'm stating it's almost impossible for that not to affect him for the rest of his life. And it does seem to have been one of several/many turning point(s) in his life. He changed a great deal in the next decade. I believe he was in extreme physical pain due to performing as much, as often, and as long, and in the manner in which he did. I believe the 1st OD in Moline was also fentanyl. I believe he knew he was taking illicit pills the 2nd time, when he passed. I do not believe it was intentional. And none of it, in any way, shape, or form changes my respect, admiration, or love for the man or his music. I do not expect perfection. I believe he had a gift. From something else, I'll call it God (easier). I believe God can and does work through anyone. As long as they are willing. And he was. My perspective about what happened could possibly change if alternate facts/data is ever released. Not someone's opinion, what so and so said, etc. Evidence. Facts. Must corroborate. But my awe of his brilliance will not ever fade. 💜
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They never said the OD in Moline was Fentanyl, it was Percocet. Why do you think that was the case?
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How could someone take illicit pills and not have the OD be intentional?
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I'm just trying to understand your logic.
[Edited 2/2/18 17:04pm]Exactly, thank you. Totally ok with no one agreeing, not looking for points lol. Just stating my informed opinion to date. It doesn't make sense he'd OD on the Percocet he had because it's rare for people to OD on two Percocet pills alone. Even those with no tolerance. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul |
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I can’t believe that no one from Walgreens ( currently or formerly employed ) has come forward and talked about what kind of prescriptions Prince was actually getting. You would think that this being who it is (Prince) that it would have leaked out by now. I have a friend who’s daughter works at a pharmacy and she’s always telling us crazy stories of people coming in for meds. It seems if he or someone for him was coming in to get special prescriptions for a terminal illness it would have been known by now. |
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I can’t believe that no one from Walgreens ( currently or formerly employed ) has come forward and talked about what kind of prescriptions Prince was actually getting. You would think that this being who it is (Prince) that it would have leaked out by now. I have a friend who’s daughter works at a pharmacy and she’s always telling us crazy stories of people coming in for meds. It seems if he or someone for him was coming in to get special prescriptions for a terminal illness it would have been known by now.
Thats crossed my mind more than once too...
Maybe Prince never went and got any prescriptions filled at Wallgreens.
Maybe him being see in the parking lot was him waiting for Kirk.
After all there were no prescriptions in Princes name found at Paisley
so something else...doesnt compute...
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I can’t believe that no one from Walgreens ( currently or formerly employed ) has come forward and talked about what kind of prescriptions Prince was actually getting. You would think that this being who it is (Prince) that it would have leaked out by now. I have a friend who’s daughter works at a pharmacy and she’s always telling us crazy stories of people coming in for meds. It seems if he or someone for him was coming in to get special prescriptions for a terminal illness it would have been known by now.
Thats crossed my mind more than once too... Maybe Prince never went and got any prescriptions filled at Wallgreens. Maybe him being see in the parking lot was him waiting for Kirk. After all there were no prescriptions in Princes name found at Paisley so something else...doesnt compute... Yes, but even if it was Kirk going in to get the scripts,somebody would have put 2 and 2 together by now. I’m sure his name and face has been all in the news for the last couple years. It’s just crazy, this whole thing doesn’t make sense. He’s getting pills from a legit drugstore and dies from fake street pills? It’s really sad. |
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Yea, and the real kicker is when CBS did that interview with KJ and he was asked: "Was Prince hurting?"......KJ said: "I don't know".
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I don't think it's up to KJ to tell the public anything he wishes not to. I also think Prince wss smart enough not to keep someone around for 30 years if all KJ did was say "yes." Just mho
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The word "no" was not a part of Prince's vocabulary. He had a lot of "yes men" around him.
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