laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Only Prince knew the code to that VAULT. Why did they have to drill it open? Prince did not give Tyka the code (instructions) on his VAULT? What Prince said was "The music will be released one day, by someone (not myself)."

Why would Prince give Tyka or anyone the code to vault? We know Music was stolen from Paisley Park so why would multiple people have the combination? The estate managers had to drill open the vault because it is an asset. You think Tyka is in charge of the estate and she is not.

Mayte knew the code to the vault when they were married because the code were her measurements.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

peppeken said:

kmama07 said:

peppeken said:

im still convinced he had terminal cancer

That would have been disclosed in the autopsy

As been explained...it would've been disclosed on the LONG form autopsy, but not the SHORT form autopsy, which was what was released to the public. Cancer didn't kill him, an overdose did.

kmama07 said:

peppeken said:

im still convinced he had terminal cancer

That would have been disclosed in the autopsy

As been explained...it would've been disclosed on the LONG form autopsy, but not the SHORT form autopsy, which was what was released to the public. Cancer didn't kill him, an overdose did.

kmama07 said:

Omg penny... I don't know how I'm effing up my "quoted " posts. Not sure what happened there. Hope you can decipher.

It is my understanding that the short form does not list any underlying issues. It told us a few things, like a scar on his hip, but we didn't get much from the short form. The long form, (which the family has) would show all the details and any underlying issues.

the short form includes lines for multiple causes of death and for "other signficant conditions." (On Prince's short form those line said n/a). How those are filled out follows guidelines that read: "Enter all diseases or conditions contributing to death that were not reported in the chain of events in Part I and that did not result in the underlying cause of death"-- but from what I've read each ME might approach it a little different. For example, on Tom Petty's autopsy-summary equivalent listed
"CORONARY ARTERY ATHEROSCLEROSIS, EMPHYSEMA" under Other Significant Conditions even though those diseases didn't kill him.

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

Omg penny... I don't know how I'm effing up my "quoted " posts. Not sure what happened there. Hope you can decipher.

It is my understanding that the short form does not list any underlying issues. It told us a few things, like a scar on his hip, but we didn't get much from the short form. The long form, (which the family has) would show all the details and any underlying issues.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

It is my feeling that I don't think he knew about the intervention nor was he going to be a willing participant.

In no way do I have time to read everyone's verbose brain farts, however, this man and others knew he was terminal and incurable. It was clearly not simply substance use nor anything else such as that. Ditto Tom Petty. They did what they needed to do, and said as much quite clearly.

Are the police looking for the supplier of Petty's illicit Fentanyl?

He had both prescribed and non-prescribed Fentanyl in his system.

StopIt said:

In no way do I have time to read everyone's verbose brain farts, however, this man and others knew he was terminal and incurable. It was clearly not simply substance use nor anything else such as that. Ditto Tom Petty. They did what they needed to do, and said as much quite clearly.

Sorry, I don't believe Petty intentionally killed himself. He had a broken hip, that he just found was broken. A broken hip is fixable.

PennyPurple said:

So to summarize your current position: Prince opioid's addiction was not even a problem. In fact, rather than causing any issues, his addiction to opioids was making him comfortable. It was basically a end-stage terminal-cancer hospice protocol that he conconted and administered himself with counterfeit pills he brought from the back market.

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The health crisis that drove him to the hospital on April 20, resulting in an intravenous treatment and the prescription of drugs used to counteract the effects of opioid withdrawal, was not in fact caused by withdrawal, because why bother withdrawing if you're about to kill yourself anyway. (Same with the many references in the warrants to repeated withdrawal struggles; all fake news!) And the panicked reaction of people around him -- resulting in the 6am phone call to NY and the calls to the addiction specialist Dr. K -- we're just misguided, beause Prince was in a peaceful state, ready for his own self-adminstered death the next day.

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Got it. And note i'm not asking a question because I know don't need a reponse as I know your opinion. I just summarized it.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I have a lot of experience with hospice, you know people who are actively dying, and I have never heard of a drug intervention being done on a person in the last stages of any terminal disease. To the contrary many people in the last stages of life are addicts and their pushers are their physicians...terminal illness still makes no sense...but alas Tyka said...ugh

We have no proof that Prince was on board with an intervention. We are now hearing he was suppose to be at a holistic healing center. So what is the problem with someone in the last stages of life being addicted to drugs they are dying and should be comfortable. Not sure I follow the problem with that.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Are the police looking for the supplier of Petty's illicit Fentanyl?

He had both prescribed and non-prescribed Fentanyl in his system.

That illicit fentanyl has slipped under most people's radar and they don't see it nor is anyone questioning it. But they should be. Because I'm not so sure about how things supposedly played out there given that was listed on the autopsy report.

StopIt said:

In no way do I have time to read everyone's verbose brain farts, however, this man and others knew he was terminal and incurable. It was clearly not simply substance use nor anything else such as that. Ditto Tom Petty. They did what they needed to do, and said as much quite clearly.

Hey StopIt, long time no see Agree with every word here. And oh yeah, I did see that about Petty too

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said:

Sorry, I don't believe Petty intentionally killed himself. He had a broken hip, that he just found was broken. A broken hip is fixable.

And Tom Petty was under doctors care for his diagnosed health problems...

And was taking illegal fentanyl, acetyl fentanyl to be specific, even though he had the legal stuff available to him. Because the family jumped out with their story so quickly, people missed that little detail. And the family didn't address it.

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I'm with Laura on this one.

Mumio said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PennyPurple said: And Tom Petty was under doctors care for his diagnosed health problems...

And was taking illegal fentanyl, acetyl fentanyl to be specific, even though he had the legal stuff available to him. Because the family jumped out with their story so quickly, people missed that little detail. And the family didn't address it.

The family did not address it because they were aware of it. They were at home with him while he sat around with a broken hip. They had to know he needed extreamly strong meds since it appears he was not getting preped for surgery.

With clogged arteries I doubt he could have surgery and no one should be given fentenyl without monioring especially since he was addicted to herion in the past. No one said anything about a home health aide or nurse. So I think the family knew Tom was going to die

I expect they may say nothing for now and maybe say more later. I cannot see anyone sititng at home with a broken hip unless their health was too bad for surgery. I think we have to learn rock stars get old just like everyone else and they can die just like everyone else.

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laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

And was taking illegal fentanyl, acetyl fentanyl to be specific, even though he had the legal stuff available to him. Because the family jumped out with their story so quickly, people missed that little detail. And the family didn't address it.

The family did not address it because they were aware of it. They were at home with him while he sat around with a broken hip. They had to know he needed extreamly strong meds since it appears he was not getting preped for surgery.

With clogged arteries I doubt he could have surgery and no one should be given fentenyl without monioring especially since he was addicted to herion in the past. No one said anything about a home health aide or nurse. So I think the family knew Tom was going to die

I expect they may say nothing for now and maybe say more later. I cannot see anyone sititng at home with a broken hip unless their health was too bad for surgery. I think we have to learn rock stars get old just like everyone else and they can die just like everyone else.

[Edited 1/30/18 6:29am]

Petty just got off tour. He found out the day before he died that his hip was completly broken. He died before he could do anything with the hip. People have heart trouble all the time, that doesn't preclude them from getting surgery.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Are the police looking for the supplier of Petty's illicit Fentanyl?

He had both prescribed and non-prescribed Fentanyl in his system.

Why should they spend all of my hard earned tax dollars to tell me that it is 'possible' that the manufacturer was a factory in China, who in turn, shipped it to the Juarez Cartel, who then distributed it to street level vendors, who then sold it to Tom or anyone affiliated with Tom? Tom ingested it. Let Tom's family pay for an investigation. They have the resources.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

The family did not address it because they were aware of it. They were at home with him while he sat around with a broken hip. They had to know he needed extreamly strong meds since it appears he was not getting preped for surgery.

With clogged arteries I doubt he could have surgery and no one should be given fentenyl without monioring especially since he was addicted to herion in the past. No one said anything about a home health aide or nurse. So I think the family knew Tom was going to die

I expect they may say nothing for now and maybe say more later. I cannot see anyone sititng at home with a broken hip unless their health was too bad for surgery. I think we have to learn rock stars get old just like everyone else and they can die just like everyone else.

[Edited 1/30/18 6:29am]

Petty just got off tour. He found out the day before he died that his hip was completly broken. He died before he could do anything with the hip. People have heart trouble all the time, that doesn't preclude them from getting surgery.

His wife said it was fractured doing the tour and broke the day before. Why was he not in a hospital awaiting surgery or in a rehab/nursing home getting ready for surgery. No why should he have been admin himself fentenyl much less the rack of other drugs he was prescribed.

Heart problems particularly clogged arteries can prevent surgery.

I have had family members in this stituation and they certainly did not have the funds to afford around the clock care like Mr. Petty. I suspect his stituation was at an end stage stiuation and his family knew it.

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Are the police looking for the supplier of Petty's illicit Fentanyl?

He had both prescribed and non-prescribed Fentanyl in his system.

Why should they spend all of my hard earned tax dollars to tell me that it is 'possible' that the manufacturer was a factory in China, who in turn, shipped it to the Juarez Cartel, who then distributed it to street level vendors, who then sold it to Tom or anyone affiliated with Tom? Tom ingested it. Let Tom's family pay for an investigation. They have the resources.

Because our criminal justice system does not work in that manner. Everybody pays for criminal investigation via taxes even the Petty's.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Why should they spend all of my hard earned tax dollars to tell me that it is 'possible' that the manufacturer was a factory in China, who in turn, shipped it to the Juarez Cartel, who then distributed it to street level vendors, who then sold it to Tom or anyone affiliated with Tom? Tom ingested it. Let Tom's family pay for an investigation. They have the resources.

Because our criminal justice system does not work in that manner. Everybody pays for criminal investigation via taxes even the Petty's.

WTF? You can hire your own PI's in the midst of any investigation if you choose to do so.Nothing in the law precludes you from doing that. You're so off. lol. Where do you get this ?

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Because our criminal justice system does not work in that manner. Everybody pays for criminal investigation via taxes even the Petty's.

WTF? You can hire your own PI's in the midst of any investigation if you choose to do so.Nothing in the law precludes you from doing that. You're so off. lol. Where do you get this ?

I never said they could not hire a PI but why would they. What do they pay taxes for? The Channasen police investigated Prince's case for over a year and a half. Why? Because they are paid by tax papers to do investigations.

Also it is stupid to have a PI investigating if the cops are investigating the case. Most people do this if they are unhappy with the results of the police investigation and after the investigation is closed.