disch said:

My suspicion is: He was resisting getting outside treatment, all the way until his death. The warrant I linked above (the one that confirmed the doctor's opioid-OD diagnosis) noted that he "refused treatment" at the hospital. I assume that means he refused anyting beyond basic monitoring and perhaps some relief for withdrawal symptoms during those 10 or so hours he was at the hospital.

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The sequence of events, to me, aligns with Prince going through opioid withdrawal during his final week, with the withdrawal symptoms peaking by April 20 and triggering the actions of that day. Withdrawal symptoms tend to peak 3 - 5 days after the last dose, so if he stopped taking anyting around the time of the plane OD, that would line up time-wise.

I think he did agree on April 20 to go to the hospital for treatment for the withdrawal symptoms (they must have been horrifically bad at that point), but after he felt better, he probably insisted that once again, it was under control.

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The warrant states that he was prescibed 3 drugs -- Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam -- that Kirk picked up at Walgreen on 4/20 for Prince. Those drugs have several mostly sedative-related uses but all part of an opioid-withdrawal-relief protocol (clonidine, for example, is pretty much the standard drug for opioid withdrawal symptom relief). Perhaps after his hospital treatment, he swallowed a few of these prescribed pills, and then insisted that the worst had passed and he would be fine until the next day.

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cloveringold85 said:

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If only they had gotten Prince into treatment after the O.D. in Moline, he most likely would still be here.

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Thank You, Disch, and I agree.

Menes said:

I did not see one report of record that had a pill labeled "fentanyl" circulating at that time. The only two pills in mass circulation that had toxic levels of "fentanyl" in it, were the roxy/s and a-215's. These were labeled the "poison pills" or "kill pills".

The imprints correspond with that of the drug manufactured by a legitimate pharmaceutical company and later duplicated (imprinted) and distributed by the cartels/street level vendors with varying amounts of fentanyl or other opiates in them. I highly doubt that a street vendor or an addict would be able to tell you how much fentanyl/opiate was in each pill . What was known by LE was that these two pills were the cause of most of the overdoses leading to death in Minnesota/nationwide at that time. It was also well known that addicts were requesting these two pills because of the effects produced prior to an overdose.

Prince, did not knowingly take a pill that had the imprint "fentanyl" in it. He died of the most common cause that many addicts die of...combination opiate toxicity, of which one of the many substances happen to have an exorbitant amount of fentanyl in it. There are reports that state that ME's nationwide have been debating for decades as to whether or not to have a uniformed report that would list all additional substances that may have contributed to death as opposed to some ME's who state the singular source as the cause of death when combination toxicity is involved. Each ME has their own discretion as to how they would list combination opiate toxicity in a report as opposed to a singular source that may have been the cause of death. This in turn contributes to the problem LE has been harping on for years. (This has nothing to do with whether or not an official autopsy is released to the public).

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Prince was an incredibly smart Man, and I have a very hard time believing that he would intentionally take any street drug versus going to a professional treatment center and getting professional medical care. Prince was not someone who lived dangerously, so the idea that he would say: "Hey, I'm gonna take this poison and only God knows what the hell is in it".....just seems not of his character, at all. But, this case is just beyond crazy, so who knows?! Maybe he just made that split decision?

Menes said:

InThisBedIDream said:

Exactly.

I firmly believe Prince died of an accidental overdose of illicit drugs he was dependant on for hip/joint pain and until there's an official statement saying otherwise no amount of amateur sleuthing or guesswork will change my mind.

I like passionate people but some on this site have far too much time on their hands and I'd put money on you still being there in 2020 fused to your chairs, covered in cobwebs banging out the same old sh*te on your keyboards.

Prince died of AIDS, Hep C, cancer, he was murdered, he committed suicide, he was wearing his clothes inside out to ward off the devil,,,, he was bitten by a rabid werewolf, it was mind control, he was possessed by an evil spirit, it's f*****g ridiculous.

It's really sad if you have to live your life through the tragic, demise of Prince's.

Yet you yourself, are speculating, and willing to put money on what we might be doing in 2020? Do you see the irony and paradox of human behavior? Can we say that that was F*****g ridiculous too?

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Well guys, the truth of the matter is, Prince died suddenly and very tragically and the investigation into his death is still on-going, after 2-years. Prince was a person who lived a healthy life and he suddenly dies, of illegal Fentanyl. That is nothing to dismiss, imo.

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Yes, we keep going around in circles, trying to make the pieces of the puzzle fit. But, isn't that human nature? When things don't add up, that means something is wrong.

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

He probably didn't have one of those as that financial instrument should have been listed in addition to the others listed. It's odd that he would discuss all of his other plans with Tyka( museum, school, etc.) but not those regarding matters which would benefit her, or his "plans" upon his death. As in, where his money is, who has it, how much is it, what to do with it. His money was/is an integral part of any "plan" she would oversee. She had three(3) years to discuss it. By all accounts, that never happened.

Everything is helter skelter and that tells me that the conversations with her must have been rather vague and opaque and she's trying to piece it together while getting fleeced.

CO SIGN AGaIN Menes

Every word that comes from that mouth makes my GUT CHURN

I have tried to remain neutral, and open minded

but there is something really SUSS going on

Its as if TYka wants us to believe that She and P were a lot closer than they actually were

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Not to mention that they had to pry open his VAULT, which was his prized possessions/his babies!! I don't think that Prince involved Tyka in the business side of things as much as some would like to think.

laurarichardson said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Menes said: 👍 Right on Menes. It is f'ing ridiculous.

The Petty's had no choice. The long report is open to the public. Remember Prince's case is an open homcide investigation. I am sure the family has been told to be quiet and Tyka did give us a hint so I do not think it is a lack of caring. I also believe that may be respecting his wishes as he was just a very private person.

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It doesn't matter that Petty's cause of death is public information. His family chose to speak-out; there is no law saying they had to say anything about it.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

The Petty's had no choice. The long report is open to the public. Remember Prince's case is an open homcide investigation. I am sure the family has been told to be quiet and Tyka did give us a hint so I do not think it is a lack of caring. I also believe that may be respecting his wishes as he was just a very private person.

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It doesn't matter that Petty's cause of death is public information. His family chose to speak-out; there is no law saying they had to say anything about it.

The public would have know if they spoke or not. So it does matter.

cloveringold85 said:

Lovejunky said:

CO SIGN AGaIN Menes

Every word that comes from that mouth makes my GUT CHURN

I have tried to remain neutral, and open minded

but there is something really SUSS going on

Its as if TYka wants us to believe that She and P were a lot closer than they actually were

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Not to mention that they had to pry open his VAULT, which was his prized possessions/his babies!! I don't think that Prince involved Tyka in the business side of things as much as some would like to think.

Lord, he said someone would open it one day just not him. It is an asset it was going to be opened one day and he knew it. Tyka is also not making business decisions. You guys need to get off her jock.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Wow! That was really harsh Menes. I'm sure that Tyka is doing the best that she can, with this enormous undertaking that has been laid on her shoulders. Maybe we as fans just want too much.

Prince had a rough childhood but at least he got out by going to live with Andres family. Tyka wasn't so lucky. If Hayward Baker abused Prince and locked him in a closet, and other things he did, what kind of abuse do you think Tyka suffered?

Tyka is his only full blooded sibling. Do you think she wanted to be thrown in the spotlight they way she was? Very doubtful that she did.

I have faith that Tyka is going to do right by us fans. It is basically out of her hands right now. Everything is tied up.

Does anyone think this is easy on her, or for her? Those older sibs are the ones who only care about the money. Tyka and Omarr are at least trying.

Was it? Want too much? As in , clear a simple fact up? What does that have to do with anything she's doing right now? That would take two seconds at best. It's been almost two years. You don't see her promoting her own music yet she does not have time to clear up one single thing that is constantly demonizing her brother's good name? I won't be making any excuses for her at all. Two seconds.

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I agree, Menes. I don't understand why some people give Tyka a free pass. Just look at her behavior and her comments alone, and what does that tell you? She's been on TV shows and articles have been written, and all she can give us is cryptic messages? She wants to keep the allure of mystery going so people will buy her book. I am familar with characters like Tyka because I have dealt with them all of my life. I am not naive.

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Now, don't get me wrong, for those of you who want to rip me a new one. I don't doubt that Tyka loved her brother, Prince. I don't doubt that she wants the best for his music an his estate, but making strange comments is only going to keep the rumors on fire. At the end of the day, do you really think Tyka cares what any of us think? Hell no!!

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Menes said:

Was it? Want too much? As in , clear a simple fact up? What does that have to do with anything she's doing right now? That would take two seconds at best. It's been almost two years. You don't see her promoting her own music yet she does not have time to clear up one single thing that is constantly demonizing her brother's good name? I won't be making any excuses for her at all. Two seconds.

Tykas mystical musings about her brothers death tell me that she has no idea what happened. Tom Petty's family was able to respectfully let everyone know what led to his death because they were actually part of his life, and knew what had been going on in the days, weeks and years before he died. Like the rest of Princes family, Tyka can't say what happened to him because she was not part of prince's life...Can't tell what you don't know...

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Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

live after his death.

Can you report anything of value from that chance encounter that is worth discussing? Was it Cancer? Did he go quickly? Was she aware of any drug use prior to the deadly encounter?Give us something please. We dont care about her songs,earrings or fights with her siblings.

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I recall when Tyka was asked a very simple question: "Could Prince have been saved?"

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Our answer: "crickets".

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cloveringold85 said:

It would not have been Tyka’s job to save him. Is she a medical doctor?

cloveringold85 said:

If she was not concerned with what anyone thinks why would she want to write a book? She made comments that to me were clear she knew he was going to die. The only thing she has not done is say from what? Other then that what crime has she committed?

Mumio said:

Sources: No Murder Charge Likely In Prince's Death

https://www.youtube.com/w...Thh-pbqibw

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Thanks for sharing that information. It's unlikely that they will find the source of the illegal Fentanyl.

I don't know why anyone is blaming Tyka for anything. The only thing she has not done is tell us how/why her brother died.

I don't know how any of this is her fault.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Not surprised. I have said this numerous times.

P wasnt going to leave it to chance that someone would be charged in connection with his death.

This news article also states the fentanyl most likely came from China.

They have no idea where it came from and it is fashionable to blame everything on China.

They cannot charge anyone because people are not talking because they are witholding information to protect his privacy.

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Why would it be so hard to believe that the illicit Fentanyl came from China? These are professional investigators and they would not make such statements if they had no suspicion and/or evidence.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

I did not see one report of record that had a pill labeled "fentanyl" circulating at that time. The only two pills in mass circulation that had toxic levels of "fentanyl" in it, were the roxy/s and a-215's. These were labeled the "poison pills" or "kill pills".

The imprints correspond with that of the drug manufactured by a legitimate pharmaceutical company and later duplicated (imprinted) and distributed by the cartels/street level vendors with varying amounts of fentanyl or other opiates in them. I highly doubt that a street vendor or an addict would be able to tell you how much fentanyl/opiate was in each pill . What was known by LE was that these two pills were the cause of most of the overdoses leading to death in Minnesota/nationwide at that time. It was also well known that addicts were requesting these two pills because of the effects produced prior to an overdose.

Prince, did not knowingly take a pill that had the imprint "fentanyl" in it. He died of the most common cause that many addicts die of...combination opiate toxicity, of which one of the many substances happen to have an exorbitant amount of fentanyl in it. There are reports that state that ME's nationwide have been debating for decades as to whether or not to have a uniformed report that would list all additional substances that may have contributed to death as opposed to some ME's who state the singular source as the cause of death when combination toxicity is involved. Each ME has their own discretion as to how they would list combination opiate toxicity in a report as opposed to a singular source that may have been the cause of death. This in turn contributes to the problem LE has been harping on for years. (This has nothing to do with whether or not an official autopsy is released to the public).

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Prince was an incredibly smart Man, and I have a very hard time believing that he would intentionally take any street drug versus going to a professional treatment center and getting professional medical care. Prince was not someone who lived dangerously, so the idea that he would say: "Hey, I'm gonna take this poison and only God knows what the hell is in it".....just seems not of his character, at all. But, this case is just beyond crazy, so who knows?! Maybe he just made that split decision?

I respectfully disagree, I believe his entire life was suffused with examples of dangerous/risk taking behavior from his record label history, to the assless pants and playing in his underpants, his makeup and fem presentation, his music clubs rather than more conventional channels of distribution, his full-steam-ahead dancing while physically injured, his sexual promiscuity, his nightclubs, his rolling the dice by denying Mayte first class ob/gyn care when she was pregnant, changing his fucking name mid-career to a symbol and writing Slave on his face(great career moves),his hiding out for most of his life in Minnie, his second marriage to a first class user,his mouthing off about chem trails which did nothing fab for his image as a serious dude,his dubious taste in 'associates'.....want more? I got it. OH YEAH, the apex of the insanity of carelessness and living dangerously...being a multi-millionaire who scarfed down street drugs...nothing dangerous here...move along folks, nothing to see.

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It doesn't matter that Petty's cause of death is public information. His family chose to speak-out; there is no law saying they had to say anything about it.

The public would have know if they spoke or not. So it does matter.

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Laura, you keep dismissing the FACT that Petty's family spoke-out about his drug use. Do you understand that they, BY LAW did not have to do that?

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It would have been public information, regardless.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Not to mention that they had to pry open his VAULT, which was his prized possessions/his babies!! I don't think that Prince involved Tyka in the business side of things as much as some would like to think.

Lord, he said someone would open it one day just not him. It is an asset it was going to be opened one day and he knew it. Tyka is also not making business decisions. You guys need to get off her jock.

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Only Prince knew the code to that VAULT. Why did they have to drill it open? Prince did not give Tyka the code (instructions) on his VAULT? What Prince said was "The music will be released one day, by someone (not myself)."

cloveringold85 said:

The professional investigators are not making any statements at all. This is the media using unnamed sources. It is unlikely that when the police issue a press release they will say much about were the Fentenyl came from. I ave not seen any police department say anything like that unless the make a big bust. We have heard of Fentanyl from Mexico and Eastern European countries as well as China.
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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I recall when Tyka was asked a very simple question: "Could Prince have been saved?"

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Our answer: "crickets".

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It would not have been Tyka’s job to save him. Is she a medical doctor?

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Laura, I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but it was a simple question, and she did not want to answer.

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If I had a brother who died of an overdose and someone asked me that very same question, I would have no problem answering. I have nothing to hide.

cloveringold85 said:

Why would Prince give Tyka or anyone the code to vault? We know Music was stolen from Paisley Park so why would multiple people have the combination? The estate managers had to drill open the vault because it is an asset. You think Tyka is in charge of the estate and she is not.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree, Menes. I don't understand why some people give Tyka a free pass. Just look at her behavior and her comments alone, and what does that tell you? She's been on TV shows and articles have been written, and all she can give us is cryptic messages? She wants to keep the allure of mystery going so people will buy her book. I am familar with characters like Tyka because I have dealt with them all of my life. I am not naive.

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Now, don't get me wrong, for those of you who want to rip me a new one. I don't doubt that Tyka loved her brother, Prince. I don't doubt that she wants the best for his music an his estate, but making strange comments is only going to keep the rumors on fire. At the end of the day, do you really think Tyka cares what any of us think? Hell no!!

If she was not concerned with what anyone thinks why would she want to write a book? She made comments that to me were clear she knew he was going to die. The only thing she has not done is say from what? Other then that what crime has she committed?

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You see things differently than I do with regards to Tyka and her loopy comments.

cloveringold85 said:

I am not being sarcastic. It was not her job to save him and if you believe drug addition was his only problem you should realize that have to save themselves. I do not believe for one minute she knew he was going to die from a drug overdose 2 years ahead of time. I firmly under the impression that it was in God’s hand not Tyka’s

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince was an incredibly smart Man, and I have a very hard time believing that he would intentionally take any street drug versus going to a professional treatment center and getting professional medical care. Prince was not someone who lived dangerously, so the idea that he would say: "Hey, I'm gonna take this poison and only God knows what the hell is in it".....just seems not of his character, at all. But, this case is just beyond crazy, so who knows?! Maybe he just made that split decision?

I respectfully disagree, I believe his entire life was suffused with examples of dangerous/risk taking behavior from his record label history, to the assless pants and playing in his underpants, his makeup and fem presentation, his music clubs rather than more conventional channels of distribution, his full-steam-ahead dancing while physically injured, his sexual promiscuity, his nightclubs, his rolling the dice by denying Mayte first class ob/gyn care when she was pregnant, changing his fucking name mid-career to a symbol and writing Slave on his face(great career moves),his hiding out for most of his life in Minnie, his second marriage to a first class user,his mouthing off about chem trails which did nothing fab for his image as a serious dude,his dubious taste in 'associates'.....want more? I got it. OH YEAH, the apex of the insanity of carelessness and living dangerously...being a multi-millionaire who scarfed down street drugs...nothing dangerous here...move along folks, nothing to see.

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What I meant by living dangerously is that Prince was not a known drug user of any kind. Sheila E. even said he would not take Tylenol if he had a headache. This is a Man who ate a mainly vegan diet. He wasn't a rock star, who was back stage doing lines and popping pills.

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These people were open about their drug use, so their deaths were not so surprising, but with Prince -- his drug abuse was not known......for the most part, not up until his death.

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Tommy Petty -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Rick James -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

John Bonham (Led Zeppelin) -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Dee Ramone -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Scott Weiland -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Only Prince knew the code to that VAULT. Why did they have to drill it open? Prince did not give Tyka the code (instructions) on his VAULT? What Prince said was "The music will be released one day, by someone (not myself)."

Why would Prince give Tyka or anyone the code to vault? We know Music was stolen from Paisley Park so why would multiple people have the combination? The estate managers had to drill open the vault because it is an asset. You think Tyka is in charge of the estate and she is not.

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Why? Because Prince left her instructions, right?

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I never said "multiple" people would have the code to the Vault. Only Tyka would.

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I never said Tyka was in charge of the estate.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Laura, I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but it was a simple question, and she did not want to answer.

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If I had a brother who died of an overdose and someone asked me that very same question, I would have no problem answering. I have nothing to hide.

I am not being sarcastic. It was not her job to save him and if you believe drug addition was his only problem you should realize that have to save themselves. I do not believe for one minute she knew he was going to die from a drug overdose 2 years ahead of time. I firmly under the impression that it was in God’s hand not Tyka’s

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But, she said that "she was waiting for the call", so what does that mean?

cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I respectfully disagree, I believe his entire life was suffused with examples of dangerous/risk taking behavior from his record label history, to the assless pants and playing in his underpants, his makeup and fem presentation, his music clubs rather than more conventional channels of distribution, his full-steam-ahead dancing while physically injured, his sexual promiscuity, his nightclubs, his rolling the dice by denying Mayte first class ob/gyn care when she was pregnant, changing his fucking name mid-career to a symbol and writing Slave on his face(great career moves),his hiding out for most of his life in Minnie, his second marriage to a first class user,his mouthing off about chem trails which did nothing fab for his image as a serious dude,his dubious taste in 'associates'.....want more? I got it. OH YEAH, the apex of the insanity of carelessness and living dangerously...being a multi-millionaire who scarfed down street drugs...nothing dangerous here...move along folks, nothing to see.

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What I meant by living dangerously is that Prince was not a known drug user of any kind. Sheila E. even said he would not take Tylenol if he had a headache. This is a Man who ate a mainly vegan diet. He wasn't a rock star, who was back stage doing lines and popping pills.

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These people were open about their drug use, so their deaths were not so surprising, but with Prince -- his drug abuse was not known......for the most part, not up until his death.

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Tommy Petty -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Rick James -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

John Bonham (Led Zeppelin) -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Dee Ramone -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Scott Weiland -- yes, we knew he did drugs.

Good points, Clover.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

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Laura, you keep dismissing the FACT that Petty's family spoke-out about his drug use. Do you understand that they, BY LAW did not have to do that?

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It would have been public information, regardless.

and there is no law on the books that states Tyka or any of his family must speak. we are

gonna afford them the same law, right?

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: It would not have been Tyka’s job to save him. Is she a medical doctor?

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Laura, I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but it was a simple question, and she did not want to answer.

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If I had a brother who died of an overdose and someone asked me that very same question, I would have no problem answering. I have nothing to hide.

and respectfully clover that is your "choice". She is exercising her right to to choose.

PennyPurple said:

I don't know why anyone is blaming Tyka for anything. The only thing she has not done is tell us how/why her brother died.

I don't know how any of this is her fault.

thank you for exhuastively pointing this out. you will likely have to keep at it. She has been labeled

the scapegoat.