double post

[Edited 1/25/18 21:42pm]

Was the NY call to a doctor or an associate. He was obviously in a bad way if people were calling around and he was getting treatment at a hospital. Why the time alone though? i don't know, maybe if Kirk and Co knew that P would go that quickly, they would have been more assertive in their intervention... If only those folks would express some regret instead buttoning up and calling their lawyers, I think I would feel better about the situation.

Dibblekins said:

disch said:

The hospital visit on 4/20 was reported shortly after his death. Here's what the Star-Tribune published on 5/21/2016 about his last week:

-

"Sources with knowledge of the investigation have told the Star Tribune that despite putting on a calm face after his emergency treatment for an opioid overdose in Moline, Ill., on April 15, Prince grew increasingly agitated in the following days. That prompted one member of his staff to place a call to New York at 6 a.m. on April 20 — the day before the musician’s body was found — seeking advice from someone who had recently worked with the musician, a source said.

-

Later that day, Prince was given an intravenous treatment at a local hospital, a source with knowledge of the investigation said."

-

I think the sequence of events that day was hospital for treatment/tests, then to Walgreens to pick up scripts (spotted there around 7:30), then back to PP by 8pm. It hasn't been reported, as far as I know, when he arrived at the hospital and how long he was there.Dibblekins said:

[Edited 1/17/18 20:38pm]

OK - thank you - that makes sense, at least as far as the timeline goes.

[Edited 1/25/18 20:01pm]

Lovejunky said:

TrevorAyer said:

On the other hand ... prince loved his sweets ... sugar grows cancer and enflames painful joints ...

and that is Truth..

this has crossed my mind before too....

purplerabbithole said:

Was the NY call to a doctor or an associate. He was obviously in a bad way if people were calling around and he was getting treatment at a hospital. Why the time alone though? i don't know, maybe if Kirk and Co knew that P would go that quickly, they would have been more assertive in their intervention... If only those folks would express some regret instead buttoning up and calling their lawyers, I think I would feel better about the situation.

Unsure we ever heard who that NY call was made to. Re the time alone: if he did in fact have plans to leave this plane of existence, he wasn't gonna have any witnesses around to see it happen.

For the record, I don't believe he had any intention of going through any intervention, rehab, nor holistic therapy, but wanted there to be an appearance of those actions for cover of real intent. I am one who believes he was terminally ill with no chance of recovery regardless of any medical intervention and he felt it was time for him to go...before he lost control of his health situation.There are no options for someone who feels that's what they need to do in a state that doesn't recognize a person's right to make a death with dignity/end of life choice.

[Edited 1/25/18 23:23pm]

Mumio said:

purplerabbithole said:

Was the NY call to a doctor or an associate. He was obviously in a bad way if people were calling around and he was getting treatment at a hospital. Why the time alone though? i don't know, maybe if Kirk and Co knew that P would go that quickly, they would have been more assertive in their intervention... If only those folks would express some regret instead buttoning up and calling their lawyers, I think I would feel better about the situation.

Unsure we ever heard who that NY call was made to. Re the time alone: if he did in fact have plans to leave this plane of existence, he wasn't gonna have any witnesses around to see it happen.

For the record, I don't believe he had any intention of going through any intervention, rehab, nor holistic therapy, but wanted there to be an appearance of those actions for cover of real intent. I am one who believes he was terminally ill with no chance of recovery regardless of any medical intervention and he felt it was time for him to go...before he lost control of his health situation.There are no options for someone who feels that's what they need to do in a state that doesn't recognize a person's right to make a death with dignity/end of life choice.

[Edited 1/25/18 23:23pm]

Co-sign Thank you. All of the signs that all this intervention and appointments was never going to happen. Does anyone think that Prince was going to let a young kid who is not a doctor give him drugs or advice? If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs or maybe from treatment or doctor visits? Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done. End of the road. He decided he did not want to be sitting in a diaper with a feeding tube. I don't blame him and if something were hurting me I would take pain pills as well especially if I were dying.

As for what "anyone" thinks, people think different things. What you just wrote out is silly nonsense based not on reliable information but on very active imaginations, but hey it's a free world, aint it!

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Unsure we ever heard who that NY call was made to. Re the time alone: if he did in fact have plans to leave this plane of existence, he wasn't gonna have any witnesses around to see it happen.

For the record, I don't believe he had any intention of going through any intervention, rehab, nor holistic therapy, but wanted there to be an appearance of those actions for cover of real intent. I am one who believes he was terminally ill with no chance of recovery regardless of any medical intervention and he felt it was time for him to go...before he lost control of his health situation.There are no options for someone who feels that's what they need to do in a state that doesn't recognize a person's right to make a death with dignity/end of life choice.

[Edited 1/25/18 23:23pm]

Co-sign Thank you. All of the signs that all this intervention and appointments was never going to happen. Does anyone think that Prince was going to let a young kid who is not a doctor give him drugs or advice? If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs or maybe from treatment or doctor visits? Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done. End of the road. He decided he did not want to be sitting in a diaper with a feeding tube. I don't blame him and if something were hurting me I would take pain pills as well especially if I were dying.

So your information is more reliable then information coming from his family. Think about that for a minute. You do not have anymore reliable information then anyone else. You have an active imagination about what you think Prince was dealing with using a great deal of info from tabloids.

The following are factual.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done.

If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs

Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Tyka said she was left with task to complete. Why? Was Prince not going to be around to do them himself? She said she knew a few years ahead. Did she have a crystal ball?

Pheadra claims to have had POA to sign docs for him. Why would he do that? Why would he send out directions to 30 people concerning Paisley Park which was now confirmed by LM.

Why are the chefs saying they were lied to about his health? Why were the chefs making a red pepper soup and way was Prince eating pasta according to Judith on the plane. I thought his stomach was messed up from drugs?

-----

In a interview with the Atlanta promoter she said he told her he was not feeling well and he was going to have to go back and see his doctor to see if he could do the additional concerts. He put the concerts on hold. Would he put the concerts on hold if he was on drugs since you think he was on drugs the whole time anyway. Why not announce the shows at a later date after coming out of rehab?

Told Andrian Crutchfiled that he would not being doing an aftershow in Atlanta and that he was going to have to speak to his doctor first. ( Why if he knew his problem was drugs. You either go to rehab or take more drugs. You do not need to see you doctor to tell you what is wrong when you already know what is wrong and since you think he had a illegal supply of drugs around what did he need to see Dr. S for even if a pre-arranged hook up was going to happen with Kirk's Rx .

Why go see Dr. S at all for any Rxs? Just get the illegal supply after he got his treatements and keep it moving. You never explain why he took bootlegg pills when he had a good supply thru Kirk.

( I believe he made it look like he was trying to withdraw from drugs by getting those non-controlled substances from Dr. S. He was stringing everyone along. We saw nothing that side he those non-controlled substances were even in his system. He had no plans on taking them).

He had no plans to go to rehab.

The real ones are in the bootle from the pharmacy no reason to get confused. He took the boots because he wanted to take them. A man that has his underware custom made can take the time to have his kill pill custom made.

I have got more but why bother.

We are done. You think what you want and I will think what I went.

disch said:

As for what "anyone" thinks, people think different things. What you just wrote out is silly nonsense based not on reliable information but on very active imaginations, but hey it's a free world, aint it!

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign Thank you. All of the signs that all this intervention and appointments was never going to happen. Does anyone think that Prince was going to let a young kid who is not a doctor give him drugs or advice? If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs or maybe from treatment or doctor visits? Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done. End of the road. He decided he did not want to be sitting in a diaper with a feeding tube. I don't blame him and if something were hurting me I would take pain pills as well especially if I were dying.

[Edited 1/26/18 10:24am]

btw, terminal does not mean "nothing can be done" -- things can be done to prolong life and ease pain if a patient wants that.

-

You feel that it's been incontrovertably established that Prince had a terminal cancer (several months ago, you felt the same certainty about epilepsy, hep c, joint failure etc.). We're going to agree to disagree that's been proven.

-

I know you love to argue Laura, even if it's the same argument over and over and over (and over...) ) again. I get that. But I'm playing this with you anymore. I've posted many posts filled with all kind of links, research, etc. Use the search box and find them. I've stated my opionions many times too, and I'll certainly change them if reputable new information becomes public. You are not a source of what I consider reputable information. Things you say you read on various facebook posts is not reputable information. Your opinions about what prince would or wouldn't do (he would have gone to hazelton! He would never have trusted a young doctor!) are based on your view of the world, not necessarily his (we don't know is view, only the actions of him and others as reputably reported. And we draw conclusions from those actions as best we can, with humility about our own limits.)

-

Find a different sparring partner, if there are here who haven't just gotten sick of the silliness and left.

laurarichardson said:

So your information is more reliable then information coming from his family. Think about that for a minute. You do not have anymore reliable information then anyone else. You have an active imagination about what you think Prince was dealing with using a great deal of info from tabloids.

The following are factual.

Intensivist Info

Intensivist Summary:
An Intensivist is a physician specializing in the diagnosis and management of life threatening conditions requiring sophisticated organ support and invasive monitoring. An Intensivist may care for a patient requiring support for hemodynamic instability (hypertension/hypotension), airway or respiratory compromise (such as ventilator support), acute renal failure, potentially lethal cardiac arrhythmias, or the cumulative effects of multiple organ failure. An Intensivist closely monitors their critically ill patients and must determine whether or not they have a reasonable chance of recovery to stay in the ICU. The intensivist works to keep the patient alive and helps the patient fight the condition which landed her or him in the ICU, with the goal of helping the patient recover.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done.

If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs

Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Tyka said she was left with task to complete. Why was Prince not going to be around to them himself? She said she knew a few years ahead. Did she have a crystal ball?

Pheadra claims to have had POA to sign docs for him. Why would he do that?

-----

In a interview with the Atlanta promoter she said he told her he was not feeling well and he was going to have to go back and see his doctor to see if he could do the additional concerts. He put the concerts on hold. Would he put the concerts on hold if he was on drugs since you think he was on drugs the whole time anyway.

Told Andrian Crutchfiled that he would not being doing an aftershow in Atlanta and that he was going to have to speak to his doctor first. ( Why if he knew his problem was drugs. You either go to rehab or take more drugs. You do not need to see you doctor to tell you what is wrong when you already know what is wrong and since you think he had a illegal supply of drugs around what did he need to see Dr. S for even if a pre-arranged hook up was going to happen with Kirk's Rx .

Why go see Dr. S at all for any Rxs? Just get the illegal supply after he got his treatements and keep it moving. You never explain why he took bootlegg pills when he had a good supply thru Kirk.

( I believe he made it look like he was trying to withdraw from drugs by getting those non-controlled substances from Dr. S. He was stringing everyone along. We saw nothing that side he those non-controlled substances were even in his system. He had no plans on taking them).

He had no plans to go to rehab.

The real ones are in the bootle from the pharmacy no reason to get confused. He took the boots because he wanted to take them. A man that has his underware custom made can take the time to have his kill pill custom made.

I have got more but why bother.

We are done. You think what you want and I will think what I went.

disch said:

As for what "anyone" thinks, people think different things. What you just wrote out is silly nonsense based not on reliable information but on very active imaginations, but hey it's a free world, aint it!

disch said:

btw, terminal does not mean "nothing can be done" -- things can be done to prolong life and ease pain if a patient wants that.

-

You feel that it's been incontrovertably established that Prince had a terminal cancer (several months ago, you felt the same certainty about epilepsy, hep c, joint failure etc.). We're going to agree to disagree that's been proven.

-

I know you love to argue Laura, even if it's the same argument over and over and over (and over...) ) again. I get that. But I'm playing this with you anymore. I've posted many posts filled with all kind of links, research, etc. Use the search box and find them. I've stated my opionions many times too, and I'll certainly change them if reputable new information becomes public. You are not a source of what I consider reputable information. Things you say you read on various facebook posts is not reputable information. Your opinions about what prince would or wouldn't do (he would have gone to hazelton! He would never have trusted a young doctor!) are based on your view of the world, not necessarily his (we don't know is view, only the actions of him and others as reputably reported. And we draw conclusions from those actions as best we can, with humility about our own limits.)

-

Find a different sparring partner, if there are here who haven't just gotten sick of the silliness and left.

laurarichardson said:

So your information is more reliable then information coming from his family. Think about that for a minute. You do not have anymore reliable information then anyone else. You have an active imagination about what you think Prince was dealing with using a great deal of info from tabloids.

The following are factual.

Intensivist Info

Intensivist Summary:
An Intensivist is a physician specializing in the diagnosis and management of life threatening conditions requiring sophisticated organ support and invasive monitoring. An Intensivist may care for a patient requiring support for hemodynamic instability (hypertension/hypotension), airway or respiratory compromise (such as ventilator support), acute renal failure, potentially lethal cardiac arrhythmias, or the cumulative effects of multiple organ failure. An Intensivist closely monitors their critically ill patients and must determine whether or not they have a reasonable chance of recovery to stay in the ICU. The intensivist works to keep the patient alive and helps the patient fight the condition which landed her or him in the ICU, with the goal of helping the patient recover.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done.

If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs

Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Tyka said she was left with task to complete. Why was Prince not going to be around to them himself? She said she knew a few years ahead. Did she have a crystal ball?

Pheadra claims to have had POA to sign docs for him. Why would he do that?

-----

In a interview with the Atlanta promoter she said he told her he was not feeling well and he was going to have to go back and see his doctor to see if he could do the additional concerts. He put the concerts on hold. Would he put the concerts on hold if he was on drugs since you think he was on drugs the whole time anyway.

Told Andrian Crutchfiled that he would not being doing an aftershow in Atlanta and that he was going to have to speak to his doctor first. ( Why if he knew his problem was drugs. You either go to rehab or take more drugs. You do not need to see you doctor to tell you what is wrong when you already know what is wrong and since you think he had a illegal supply of drugs around what did he need to see Dr. S for even if a pre-arranged hook up was going to happen with Kirk's Rx .

Why go see Dr. S at all for any Rxs? Just get the illegal supply after he got his treatements and keep it moving. You never explain why he took bootlegg pills when he had a good supply thru Kirk.

( I believe he made it look like he was trying to withdraw from drugs by getting those non-controlled substances from Dr. S. He was stringing everyone along. We saw nothing that side he those non-controlled substances were even in his system. He had no plans on taking them).

He had no plans to go to rehab.

The real ones are in the bootle from the pharmacy no reason to get confused. He took the boots because he wanted to take them. A man that has his underware custom made can take the time to have his kill pill custom made.

I have got more but why bother.

We are done. You think what you want and I will think what I went.

Dont forget Laura know EVERTHANG. Facts that don't exist even.

Terminal means you are not going to be living much longer. No care will given to prolong your a long life span.

Does this really have to be explained to you?

I gave you some facts ( which you did not address) Prince said he epliepsy and he had surgery for joint problems. I only repeated what was already known and factual. The Hep C story came from this board I did not make it up .

I have posted facts and I consider the post I read to be reliable and so do others on this board which I notice you have no comments about them at all. Wonder why that is?

Never said he would go to Hazelton. I said he could have contacted them for advice. He sent his sister to Hazelton and she actually did public speaking at the center concerning addictions. He had a realationship with that center according to his sister.

Would lyou et someone who was not a doctor give you life saving meds? You mindset in my opinion is that Prince was a village idiot.

Do not accuse me of making things up which are factual.

disch said:

btw, terminal does not mean "nothing can be done" -- things can be done to prolong life and ease pain if a patient wants that.

-

You feel that it's been incontrovertably established that Prince had a terminal cancer (several months ago, you felt the same certainty about epilepsy, hep c, joint failure etc.). We're going to agree to disagree that's been proven.

-

I know you love to argue Laura, even if it's the same argument over and over and over (and over...) ) again. I get that. But I'm playing this with you anymore. I've posted many posts filled with all kind of links, research, etc. Use the search box and find them. I've stated my opionions many times too, and I'll certainly change them if reputable new information becomes public. You are not a source of what I consider reputable information. Things you say you read on various facebook posts is not reputable information. Your opinions about what prince would or wouldn't do (he would have gone to hazelton! He would never have trusted a young doctor!) are based on your view of the world, not necessarily his (we don't know is view, only the actions of him and others as reputably reported. And we draw conclusions from those actions as best we can, with humility about our own limits.)

-

Find a different sparring partner, if there are here who haven't just gotten sick of the silliness and left.

laurarichardson said:

So your information is more reliable then information coming from his family. Think about that for a minute. You do not have anymore reliable information then anyone else. You have an active imagination about what you think Prince was dealing with using a great deal of info from tabloids.

The following are factual.

Intensivist Info

Intensivist Summary:
An Intensivist is a physician specializing in the diagnosis and management of life threatening conditions requiring sophisticated organ support and invasive monitoring. An Intensivist may care for a patient requiring support for hemodynamic instability (hypertension/hypotension), airway or respiratory compromise (such as ventilator support), acute renal failure, potentially lethal cardiac arrhythmias, or the cumulative effects of multiple organ failure. An Intensivist closely monitors their critically ill patients and must determine whether or not they have a reasonable chance of recovery to stay in the ICU. The intensivist works to keep the patient alive and helps the patient fight the condition which landed her or him in the ICU, with the goal of helping the patient recover.

Terminal means terminal. Nothing can be done.

If he wanted advice he could have had a call made out to Hazelton. The same place he took his sister and according to her went with her to therepy.

Does anyone think he had 65k on medical expenses on his inventory sheet from illegal drugs

Does anyone think he told musicians to come and get their stuff out of Paisley because they might not be able to get it later because he was never coming back from rehab.

Tyka said she was left with task to complete. Why was Prince not going to be around to them himself? She said she knew a few years ahead. Did she have a crystal ball?

Pheadra claims to have had POA to sign docs for him. Why would he do that?

-----

In a interview with the Atlanta promoter she said he told her he was not feeling well and he was going to have to go back and see his doctor to see if he could do the additional concerts. He put the concerts on hold. Would he put the concerts on hold if he was on drugs since you think he was on drugs the whole time anyway.

Told Andrian Crutchfiled that he would not being doing an aftershow in Atlanta and that he was going to have to speak to his doctor first. ( Why if he knew his problem was drugs. You either go to rehab or take more drugs. You do not need to see you doctor to tell you what is wrong when you already know what is wrong and since you think he had a illegal supply of drugs around what did he need to see Dr. S for even if a pre-arranged hook up was going to happen with Kirk's Rx .

Why go see Dr. S at all for any Rxs? Just get the illegal supply after he got his treatements and keep it moving. You never explain why he took bootlegg pills when he had a good supply thru Kirk.

( I believe he made it look like he was trying to withdraw from drugs by getting those non-controlled substances from Dr. S. He was stringing everyone along. We saw nothing that side he those non-controlled substances were even in his system. He had no plans on taking them).

He had no plans to go to rehab.

The real ones are in the bootle from the pharmacy no reason to get confused. He took the boots because he wanted to take them. A man that has his underware custom made can take the time to have his kill pill custom made.

I have got more but why bother.

We are done. You think what you want and I will think what I went.

[Edited 1/26/18 12:52pm]

Zannaloaf said:

disch said:

btw, terminal does not mean "nothing can be done" -- things can be done to prolong life and ease pain if a patient wants that.

-

You feel that it's been incontrovertably established that Prince had a terminal cancer (several months ago, you felt the same certainty about epilepsy, hep c, joint failure etc.). We're going to agree to disagree that's been proven.

-

I know you love to argue Laura, even if it's the same argument over and over and over (and over...) ) again. I get that. But I'm playing this with you anymore. I've posted many posts filled with all kind of links, research, etc. Use the search box and find them. I've stated my opionions many times too, and I'll certainly change them if reputable new information becomes public. You are not a source of what I consider reputable information. Things you say you read on various facebook posts is not reputable information. Your opinions about what prince would or wouldn't do (he would have gone to hazelton! He would never have trusted a young doctor!) are based on your view of the world, not necessarily his (we don't know is view, only the actions of him and others as reputably reported. And we draw conclusions from those actions as best we can, with humility about our own limits.)

-

Find a different sparring partner, if there are here who haven't just gotten sick of the silliness and left.

Dont forget Laura know EVERTHANG. Facts that don't exist even.

Facts have been presented.

Lovejunky said:

disch said:

omfg Laura!! I've explained my thoughts on this several times. It's incredible annoying to me that you refuse to even acknowledge what I've said before directly with you, just within the past few days. I don't care if you agree, but you just attempt to ignite the exact same conversataion over and over.

-

He did not have a "holistic appointment" at all! YES, THE INTERVENTION WOULDN'T BE CALLED HOLISTIC. I've agreed with you several times about that.

-

The whole "holistic" thing was an erroneous report from the days right after he died when those close to him were still being publicly cagey about what exactly happened. It didn't "keep getting reporte in the press," any more than "he died of the flu" kept getting reported in the press, which it did in the days right after he died. No one keeps saying, well maybe he did die of the flu! It kept getting reported, after all.

-

The "holistic appointment" line was repeated in one 6-sentence article the other day by a writer who was clearly just copying a few sentences from old reports as background. It was not mentioned in the warrants or in any other reputable, cited reported story.

-

You really need to learn how to critically interprete what you read in the media.

-

LAST TIME i post on this. Seriously.

Seriously cant understand why People cant believe that Prince had an appointment with a Holistic healer...

THis was a guy who took echinacea and Vitamin C to support his immune system,

He arranged for doctors to give him Vitamin B shots to give him energy before a show, when a snort of cocaine or a dose of over the counter Caffeine based pills could have done the same thing.

This guy ate whole foods,dranks smoothies and fresh juices and believed in treating his body with respect yet the idea of him visiting a holistic health practicioner to get support

for what may possibly have been an ongoing underlying health issue is unbelievable to you ?

You would rather believe that he was self medicating with a cocktail of pharmaceutical

and illegal drugs based on erroneous evidence .

Not a single script in his name...Schulenberg prescribed pain pills in Kirks name

so you can be assured he was in PAIN..and Kirk knew about it...

but how he came by the Fentanyl is the reason this is a criminal investigation.

A person who made the food choices that Prince did, someone who ashews intoxicating drugs

is not going to take ANYTHING Willy nilly !

There is no way that he took Fentanyl KNOWINGLY....

.

Amen to that!!

.

laurarichardson said:

Terminal means your are not going to be living much longer. No care will give you a long life span.

Does this really have to be explained to you?

I gave you some facts ( which you did not address) Prince said he epliepsy and he had surgery for joint problems. I only repeated what was already known and factual. The Hep C story came from this board I did not make it up .

I have posted facts and I consider the post I read to be reliable and so do others on this board which I notice you have no comments about them at all. Wonder why that is?

Never said he would go to Hazelton. I said he could have contacted them for advice. He sent his sister to Hazelton and she actually did public speaking at the center concerning addictions. He had a realationship with that center according to his sister.

Would lyou et someone who was not a doctor give you life saving meds? You mindset in my opinion is that Prince was a village idiot.

Do not accuse me of making things up which are factual.

disch said:

btw, terminal does not mean "nothing can be done" -- things can be done to prolong life and ease pain if a patient wants that.

-

You feel that it's been incontrovertably established that Prince had a terminal cancer (several months ago, you felt the same certainty about epilepsy, hep c, joint failure etc.). We're going to agree to disagree that's been proven.

-

I know you love to argue Laura, even if it's the same argument over and over and over (and over...) ) again. I get that. But I'm playing this with you anymore. I've posted many posts filled with all kind of links, research, etc. Use the search box and find them. I've stated my opionions many times too, and I'll certainly change them if reputable new information becomes public. You are not a source of what I consider reputable information. Things you say you read on various facebook posts is not reputable information. Your opinions about what prince would or wouldn't do (he would have gone to hazelton! He would never have trusted a young doctor!) are based on your view of the world, not necessarily his (we don't know is view, only the actions of him and others as reputably reported. And we draw conclusions from those actions as best we can, with humility about our own limits.)

-

Find a different sparring partner, if there are here who haven't just gotten sick of the silliness and left.

.

We all have to also keep in mind that if Prince stated he was not feeling well in Atlanta; it could have been the effects of him trying to detox on his own -- then, the incident in Moline -- then, Narcan shot; what was it 2 shots? So, his body goes into withdrawal symptoms.......think of the horror -- doing this on your own instead of under a doctor's care.........I just wanted to put that out there.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Terminal means your are not going to be living much longer. No care will give you a long life span.

Does this really have to be explained to you?

I gave you some facts ( which you did not address) Prince said he epliepsy and he had surgery for joint problems. I only repeated what was already known and factual. The Hep C story came from this board I did not make it up .

I have posted facts and I consider the post I read to be reliable and so do others on this board which I notice you have no comments about them at all. Wonder why that is?

Never said he would go to Hazelton. I said he could have contacted them for advice. He sent his sister to Hazelton and she actually did public speaking at the center concerning addictions. He had a realationship with that center according to his sister.

Would lyou et someone who was not a doctor give you life saving meds? You mindset in my opinion is that Prince was a village idiot.

Do not accuse me of making things up which are factual.

.

We all have to also keep in mind that if Prince stated he was not feeling well in Atlanta; it could have been the effects of him trying to detox on his own -- then, the incident in Moline -- then, Narcan shot; what was it 2 shots? So, his body goes into withdrawal symptoms.......think of the horror -- doing this on your own instead of under a doctor's care.........I just wanted to put that out there.

How would he have not known what the effects of withdrawal would be? Why would he even mention it if he was trying to keep it a secret. I have no doubt that if he was in pain he was struggling with pain meds but I doubt if he knew why he was not well that he would mention it to anyone. Unless I am mistaken we have never seen anything official that he had Narcan shots and even if he did EMTs give those to people when they are just non-responsive and there is uncertainty about what is going on with their health. From the very beginning there was speculation he might have been having a seizure.

There is a possibilty that he was starting to get sicker from other health issues along with withdrawals. I just do not see him openly pondering about being sick from withdrawals

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

.

We all have to also keep in mind that if Prince stated he was not feeling well in Atlanta; it could have been the effects of him trying to detox on his own -- then, the incident in Moline -- then, Narcan shot; what was it 2 shots? So, his body goes into withdrawal symptoms.......think of the horror -- doing this on your own instead of under a doctor's care.........I just wanted to put that out there.

How would he have not known what the effects of withdrawal would be? Why would he even mention it if he was trying to keep it a secret. I have no doubt that if he was in pain he was struggling with pain meds but I doubt if he knew why he was not well that he would mention it to anyone. Unless I am mistaken we have never seen anything official that he had Narcan shots and even if he did EMTs give those to people when they are just non-responsive and there is uncertainty about what is going on with their health. From the very beginning there was speculation he might have been having a seizure.

There is a possibilty that he was starting to get sicker from other health issues along with withdrawals. I just do not see him openly pondering about being sick from withdrawals

.

I was just reading in another thread about the Atlanta show and people saying he looked "sick" and "gray" in the face. They said they had a lot of security in the front row. A lot of people sensed something was wrong with Prince. What I don't get is why production would allow him to perform at all.

.

Kirk had to have known that Prince was not well. You can't be around someone for 30+ years and not know what's going on.

cloveringold85 said:

I was just reading in another thread about the Atlanta show and people saying he looked "sick" and "gray" in the face. They said they had a lot of security in the front row. A lot of people sensed something was wrong with Prince. What I don't get is why production would allow him to perform at all.

.

Kirk had to have known that Prince was not well. You can't be around someone for 30+ years and not know what's going on.

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

His plane OD was noted in a search warrant: "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose." The phrasing indicates the investigators spoke to the doctor (that information is not attributed to another witness, for example).

-

The Narcan shot would be the standard way an opioid OD would be revived

Strive said:

cloveringold85 said:

I was just reading in another thread about the Atlanta show and people saying he looked "sick" and "gray" in the face. They said they had a lot of security in the front row. A lot of people sensed something was wrong with Prince. What I don't get is why production would allow him to perform at all.

.

Kirk had to have known that Prince was not well. You can't be around someone for 30+ years and not know what's going on.

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

Strive said:

cloveringold85 said:

I was just reading in another thread about the Atlanta show and people saying he looked "sick" and "gray" in the face. They said they had a lot of security in the front row. A lot of people sensed something was wrong with Prince. What I don't get is why production would allow him to perform at all.

.

Kirk had to have known that Prince was not well. You can't be around someone for 30+ years and not know what's going on.

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

so we know from his actions, he didn't want him dead.

Strive said:

cloveringold85 said:

I was just reading in another thread about the Atlanta show and people saying he looked "sick" and "gray" in the face. They said they had a lot of security in the front row. A lot of people sensed something was wrong with Prince. What I don't get is why production would allow him to perform at all.

.

Kirk had to have known that Prince was not well. You can't be around someone for 30+ years and not know what's going on.

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

Strive, not to diss you in any way but this would NEVER ever happen. Paramedics will hear what people have to say but will not take orders from any bystanders. They have a protocol to follow and that is what they do.

Mumio said:

Strive said:

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

Strive, not to diss you in any way but this would NEVER ever happen. Paramedics will hear what people have to say but will not take orders from any bystanders. They have a protocol to follow and that is what they do.

Sorry. I meant more that he disclosed the true nature of Prince's situation to the paramedics so they could help him on the tarmac. Not that he personally saved Prince's life with his crackerjack medical experience.

[Edited 1/26/18 16:37pm]

Strive said:

Mumio said:

Strive, not to diss you in any way but this would NEVER ever happen. Paramedics will hear what people have to say but will not take orders from any bystanders. They have a protocol to follow and that is what they do.

Sorry. I meant more that he disclosed the true nature of Prince's situation to the paramedics so they could help him on the tarmac. Not that he personally saved Prince's life with his crackerjack medical experience.

[Edited 1/26/18 16:37pm]

Ah. Got it.

Is Kirk being investigated? Is he still on the Paisley payroll?

Strive said:

gwiliandre said:

Up above, I linked to one of the search warrants that says: "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose." (This information wasn't attributed to a witness or any other third-party source, as other information in the warrant is, so it sounds like the investigator got this info directly from the doc/hospital. And HIPAA laws do allow docs to provide info to law enforcement.)

Strive said:

laurarichardson said: —-We have no way of knowing what happened the information was redacted on the log for the for the ambulance.

Unofficial reports from when it happened said that Prince recieved a narcan shot from first responders at the airport and was transported to Trinity Moline Hospital afterwards. That matches Judith Hill's story of them carrying an unconscious Prince off of the plane to an ambulance and Prince being conscious by the time they made it to the hospital.

[Edited 1/27/18 13:33pm]

Strive said:

Unofficial reports from when it happened said that Prince recieved a narcan shot from first responders at the airport and was transported to Trinity Moline Hospital afterwards. That matches Judith Hill's story of them carrying an unconscious Prince off of the plane to an ambulance and Prince being conscious by the time they made it to the hospital.

It's also been reported that it was 2 Narcan shots.

Strive said:

cloveringold85 said:

I was just reading in another thread about the Atlanta show and people saying he looked "sick" and "gray" in the face. They said they had a lot of security in the front row. A lot of people sensed something was wrong with Prince. What I don't get is why production would allow him to perform at all.

.

Kirk had to have known that Prince was not well. You can't be around someone for 30+ years and not know what's going on.

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

.

If only they had gotten Prince into treatment after the O.D. in Moline, he most likely would still be here.

My suspicion is: He was resisting getting outside treatment, all the way until his death. The warrant I linked above (the one that confirmed the doctor's opioid-OD diagnosis) noted that he "refused treatment" at the hospital. I assume that means he refused anyting beyond basic monitoring and perhaps some relief for withdrawal symptoms during those 10 or so hours he was at the hospital.

-

The sequence of events, to me, aligns with Prince going through opioid withdrawal during his final week, with the withdrawal symptoms peaking by April 20 and triggering the actions of that day. Withdrawal symptoms tend to peak 3 - 5 days after the last dose, so if he stopped taking anyting around the time of the plane OD, that would line up time-wise.

I think he did agree on April 20 to go to the hospital for treatment for the withdrawal symptoms (they must have been horrifically bad at that point), but after he felt better, he probably insisted that once again, it was under control.

-

The warrant states that he was prescibed 3 drugs -- Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam -- that Kirk picked up at Walgreen on 4/20 for Prince. Those drugs have several mostly sedative-related uses but all part of an opioid-withdrawal-relief protocol (clonidine, for example, is pretty much the standard drug for opioid withdrawal symptom relief). Perhaps after his hospital treatment, he swallowed a few of these prescribed pills, and then insisted that the worst had passed and he would be fine until the next day.

-

cloveringold85 said:

Strive said:

Kirk was the one who told them to take down the plane and (we can imagine) the one who told the paramedics to give him a narcan shot.

.

If only they had gotten Prince into treatment after the O.D. in Moline, he most likely would still be here.

[Edited 1/27/18 14:40pm]

disch said:

My suspicion is: He was resisting getting outside treatment, all the way until his death. The warrant I linked above (the one that confirmed the doctor's opioid-OD diagnosis) noted that he "refused treatment" at the hospital. I assume that means he refused anyting beyond basic monitoring and perhaps some relief for withdrawal symptoms during those 10 or so hours he was at the hospital.

-

The sequence of events, to me, aligns with Prince going through opioid withdrawal during his final week, with the withdrawal symptoms peaking by April 20 and triggering the actions of that day. Withdrawal symptoms tend to peak 3 - 5 days after the last dose, so if he stopped taking anyting around the time of the plane OD, that would line up time-wise.

I think he did agree on April 20 to go to the hospital for treatment for the withdrawal symptoms (they must have been horrifically bad at that point), but after he felt better, he probably insisted that once again, it was under control.

-

The warrant states that he was prescibed 3 drugs -- Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam -- that Kirk picked up at Walgreen on 4/20 for Prince. Those drugs have several mostly sedative-related uses but all part of an opioid-withdrawal-relief protocol (clonidine, for example, is pretty much the standard drug for opioid withdrawal symptom relief). Perhaps after his hospital treatment, he swallowed a few of these prescribed pills, and then insisted that the worst had passed and he would be fine until the next day.

-

cloveringold85 said:

.

If only they had gotten Prince into treatment after the O.D. in Moline, he most likely would still be here.

[Edited 1/27/18 14:40pm]

your suspicions align with my general feelings of the possible lead up to 4/21.