omfg Laura!! I've explained my thoughts on this several times. It's incredible annoying to me that you refuse to even acknowledge what I've said before directly with you, just within the past few days. I don't care if you agree, but you just attempt to ignite the exact same conversataion over and over.

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He did not have a "holistic appointment" at all! YES, THE INTERVENTION WOULDN'T BE CALLED HOLISTIC. I've agreed with you several times about that.

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The whole "holistic" thing was an erroneous report from the days right after he died when those close to him were still being publicly cagey about what exactly happened. It didn't "keep getting reporte in the press," any more than "he died of the flu" kept getting reported in the press, which it did in the days right after he died. No one keeps saying, well maybe he did die of the flu! It kept getting reported, after all.

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The "holistic appointment" line was repeated in one 6-sentence article the other day by a writer who was clearly just copying a few sentences from old reports as background. It was not mentioned in the warrants or in any other reputable, cited reported story.

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You really need to learn how to critically interprete what you read in the media.

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LAST TIME i post on this. Seriously.

laurarichardson said:

Well the problem is that an intervention with actual controlled substances involved is not holistic at all. We are hearing about this appointment again from a actual news source that is also reporting on the progress of the criminal case. Not sure it is wrong twice and I am sure the media knows the difference between an intervention for drug issues and holistic healing. I do not think they have been misconstruted it as the same thing. In addition, a holistic healing center is only a few miles from Paisley Park.

Not going to address the standing around part. I think he had some dim bulbs working for him.

I am not repeating myself. I am addressing your statements which are the same even when new info comes to light.

disch said:

Well, none of us really know what was going on in people's heads. We can only rely on public information about this case that we deem reliable, and information we glean by learning about the topic generally through reliable information. We all have our own standards for what we consider reliable information and our own interest in learning more about these subjects generally.

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And just to rely to a couple of your points: He was treated on April 20, at the hospital. So it seems probably that when he left, it appeared that the situation was stabilized -- at least enough to last until the next day. I do not believe he had a "holistic health appointment" the morning of April 21, for reasons we already disccussed quite a bit (that was a piece of info that was floated in the early days, when very little was known about the situation. The "holistic health appointment" was in fact the intervention.)

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And I've said over and over and over about the "45 minutes standing around": That it's likely that they either planned to meet Prince at a certain time (say 9:30) and had arrived early, or were waiting for him to get himself together and come downstairs. They probably believed the "grave situation" (an expression only used by Dr K's lawyer, by the way) had passed based on the treatment Prince recieved the day before (and, I'm sure, whatever prince told them), and that things were under control for the immediate time being. They were wrong.

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And that's all I have to say about that! I don't find it interesting to simply repeat myself ad nauseum; I know that constant repitition of the same statements is not a problem for you.

Disch: I was thinking about something you said the other day...........

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So if privacy even after death was so vitally important to Prince, why on earth would he kill himself in a manner guaranteed to bring on maximum publicity -- in his house, ODing on illegal drugs, leaving his body slumped in an elevator to be discovered 6 hours later by his unuspecting friends/employees, etc.? (Just to be clear: I don't think he committed suicide.)

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I was thinking about this whole privacy issue thing with Prince, and the fact that he did not seek professional help and probably Kirk was the only person who really knew what was going on with him--THAT right there is the sole reason that Prince is no longer with us.

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The thing with being so private and keeping serious health conditions/addictions/dependency issues and what have you, away from people.....this is sure to be your biggest downfall in life. When you isolate yourself from the outside world and shut people out, what positive can you gain from any of that? True happiness is being transparent (honest) with YOURSELF and with those who love you and genuinely care about you!!

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I believe that when you can open your soul to other's -- THAT is when you will find true happiness and contentment in your life.

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At the end of Prince's life, PRIVACY did not help him one bit -- it was his biggest mistake, imo.

disch said:

omfg Laura!! I've explained my thoughts on this several times. It's incredible annoying to me that you refuse to even acknowledge what I've said before directly with you, just within the past few days. I don't care if you agree, but you just attempt to ignite the exact same conversataion over and over.

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He did not have a "holistic appointment" at all! YES, THE INTERVENTION WOULDN'T BE CALLED HOLISTIC. I've agreed with you several times about that.

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The whole "holistic" thing was an erroneous report from the days right after he died when those close to him were still being publicly cagey about what exactly happened. It didn't "keep getting reporte in the press," any more than "he died of the flu" kept getting reported in the press, which it did in the days right after he died. No one keeps saying, well maybe he did die of the flu! It kept getting reported, after all.

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The "holistic appointment" line was repeated in one 6-sentence article the other day by a writer who was clearly just copying a few sentences from old reports as background. It was not mentioned in the warrants or in any other reputable, cited reported story.

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You really need to learn how to critically interprete what you read in the media.

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LAST TIME i post on this. Seriously.

laurarichardson said:

Well the problem is that an intervention with actual controlled substances involved is not holistic at all. We are hearing about this appointment again from a actual news source that is also reporting on the progress of the criminal case. Not sure it is wrong twice and I am sure the media knows the difference between an intervention for drug issues and holistic healing. I do not think they have been misconstruted it as the same thing. In addition, a holistic healing center is only a few miles from Paisley Park.

Not going to address the standing around part. I think he had some dim bulbs working for him.

I am not repeating myself. I am addressing your statements which are the same even when new info comes to light.

You think your opinions are facts. They are not and we will just have to agree to disagree.

He did not have a "holistic appointment" at all!

You have no means of knowing this. None.

It was reported the other day and you need to think about why this news outlet would bring it up as a part of their tipters telling them about the case. Perhaps because their inside source is telling them this. Don't you think to print a tip that the case is moving on would come from someone inside the investigation who might know where Prince was supposed to be that day.

I am sure whomever the source is they know more then you or I. Now you can believe the news channel is making this up and they have no source if you want to or their source is full of shit but they went with the tip and posted on their site.

You have no means of knowing where Prince was suppose to be that morning. The fact that you have a meltdown everytime one kennel information blows the total dope narrative of course is very disturbing. ( What media source are you working for? )

A half a dozen associates keep telling us " We do not know the whole story? Common sense would tell you their is some part of the story we do not know.

Unlike you I actually want the cancer rumors ( what I think) to be false and I not going to have a meltdown if it is.

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Lord, His sister is telling you she knew he was going to die and she and other were left with task.

I believe she and other knew something. Who gets up and has a press conference to discuss their personal health issues and once again who the hell cares that he died in a elavator. He just collasped in their what difference does that make. You would have had the same PR if had died in t he shower or his bed.

It is a non-issue that was blown up by the tabloid media. All of his clothes being on backward is more troublesome then well he fell.

cloveringold85 said:

Disch: I was thinking about something you said the other day...........

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So if privacy even after death was so vitally important to Prince, why on earth would he kill himself in a manner guaranteed to bring on maximum publicity -- in his house, ODing on illegal drugs, leaving his body slumped in an elevator to be discovered 6 hours later by his unuspecting friends/employees, etc.? (Just to be clear: I don't think he committed suicide.)

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I was thinking about this whole privacy issue thing with Prince, and the fact that he did not seek professional help and probably Kirk was the only person who really knew what was going on with him--THAT right there is the sole reason that Prince is no longer with us.

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The thing with being so private and keeping serious health conditions/addictions/dependency issues and what have you, away from people.....this is sure to be your biggest downfall in life. When you isolate yourself from the outside world and shut people out, what positive can you gain from any of that? True happiness is being transparent (honest) with YOURSELF and with those who love you and genuinely care about you!!

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I believe that when you can open your soul to other's -- THAT is when you will find true happiness and contentment in your life.

.

At the end of Prince's life, PRIVACY did not help him one bit -- it was his biggest mistake, imo.

laurarichardson said:

Lord, His sister is telling you she knew he was going to die and she and other were left with task.

I believe she and other knew something. Who gets up and has a press conference to discuss their personal health issues and once again who the hell cares that he died in a elavator. He just collasped in their what difference does that make. You would have had the same PR if had died in t he shower or his bed.

It is a non-issue that was blown up by the tabloid media. All of his clothes being on backward is more troublesome then well he fell.

cloveringold85 said:

Disch: I was thinking about something you said the other day...........

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So if privacy even after death was so vitally important to Prince, why on earth would he kill himself in a manner guaranteed to bring on maximum publicity -- in his house, ODing on illegal drugs, leaving his body slumped in an elevator to be discovered 6 hours later by his unuspecting friends/employees, etc.? (Just to be clear: I don't think he committed suicide.)

.

I was thinking about this whole privacy issue thing with Prince, and the fact that he did not seek professional help and probably Kirk was the only person who really knew what was going on with him--THAT right there is the sole reason that Prince is no longer with us.

.

The thing with being so private and keeping serious health conditions/addictions/dependency issues and what have you, away from people.....this is sure to be your biggest downfall in life. When you isolate yourself from the outside world and shut people out, what positive can you gain from any of that? True happiness is being transparent (honest) with YOURSELF and with those who love you and genuinely care about you!!

.

I believe that when you can open your soul to other's -- THAT is when you will find true happiness and contentment in your life.

.

At the end of Prince's life, PRIVACY did not help him one bit -- it was his biggest mistake, imo.

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Laura: You are missing my point. I will say it again........Prince is no longer with us because of his privacy!!

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To phrase it differently: Because Prince was so incredibly private, that is what ultimately led to his demise.

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P.S. I did not say one word about Tyka.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord, His sister is telling you she knew he was going to die and she and other were left with task.

I believe she and other knew something. Who gets up and has a press conference to discuss their personal health issues and once again who the hell cares that he died in a elavator. He just collasped in their what difference does that make. You would have had the same PR if had died in t he shower or his bed.

It is a non-issue that was blown up by the tabloid media. All of his clothes being on backward is more troublesome then well he fell.

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Laura: You are missing my point. I will say it again........Prince is no longer with us because of his privacy!!

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To phrase it differently: Because Prince was so incredibly private, that is what ultimately led to his demise.

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P.S. I did not say one word about Tyka.

I disagree. I do not think he is dead because of privacy. If it is true that he was going to go to a rehab and he was seeing a doctor he was handling his stituation the way anyone else would as a private health matter. I put if because I am not so sure that is what was occuring but I do not see any signs of him not making an effort to seek medical help or try to get off this stuff. We also have no idea what doctors or treatment he may had prior to Dr S.

Even Kirk told the police he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment. Could have been rehab we just do not know.

The whole he would not go to rehab for fear of his privacy was made up by the media. We have not heard one word about this from Phedra, Kirk or Meron so we do not know.

No. That is incorrect. The "source" did not tell the reporter from that 6-sentence article that had a hoistic appointment. As the author clearly noted in her citataions, the source told the reporter that the case was being passed to the prosecutor. The 4 sentences of background were added by the reporter, with no source cited.

http://kstp.com/news/sour...778/?cat=1

laurarichardson said:

Perhaps because their inside source is telling them this. Don't you think to print a tip that the case is moving on would come from someone inside the investigation who might know where Prince was supposed to be that day.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Laura: You are missing my point. I will say it again........Prince is no longer with us because of his privacy!!

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To phrase it differently: Because Prince was so incredibly private, that is what ultimately led to his demise.

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P.S. I did not say one word about Tyka.

I disagree. I do not think he is dead because of privacy. If it is true that he was going to go to a rehab and he was seeing a doctor he was handling his stituation the way anyone else would as a private health matter. I put if because I am not so sure that is what was occuring but I do not see any signs of him not making an effort to seek medical help or try to get off this stuff. We also have no idea what doctors or treatment he may had prior to Dr S.

Even Kirk told the police he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment. Could have been rehab we just do not know.

The whole he would not go to rehab for fear of his privacy was made up by the media. We have not heard one word about this from Phedra, Kirk or Meron so we do not know.

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I respect your opinion. I still do believe that his privacy issues is what lead to his untimely death.

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Furthermore, the way they went about in setting-up this intervention was half-assed, at best. Kirk and Dr. Schulemberg knew exactly what was going on with Prince, and they did not stabilize Prince and get him into treatment in a timely manner.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Yea. You're clever by half because you seem to think you comprehend what is written, yet your response is as relevant as a mule doing math. How many times have most of us had to repeat things to you , only to see you finally comprehend that you were chasing your tail months later? It is the funniest thing to watch. At least you make us all chuckle throughout the day. You're good for something.

1. You missed the first leading question by a country mile. Probably thought you nailed it , eh? Who said anything about a short form? Did you really read the question? It clearly mentions: the "autopsy report ". Do you understand what the protocol is when an "autopsy report" is completed? The chain of custody , the certification process, what needs to be on the report, the Minnesota Board Of Practice evaluation process as it relates to an actual final report? Had you understood the premise of the question ,2-9 would have made perfect sense.

2. Whether Prince signed a waiver or not to deny himself any form of cancer treatment is not something I will be entertaining because I don't believe there is any proof that he had cancer of any form.

3. Someone else will probably be able to explain to you the importance of the (1st) question. Maybe you just might figure it out. It's a small spoon.

It is astounding to me that LR failed to comprehend the brilliance in Question #1 which clearly leads to the answer to the questions so many of us here are seeking. This is the classic difference between wielding a finely-honed intelligence in the service of unraveling a problem or question and just taking a cursory look at words without comprehension and having the on-going temerity to offer up shallow, pedestrian, repetitive, drivel that only serves to further confuse and muddy the questions at hand...served up with big spoonfuls of arrogance, unkindness and hostility. Back to the task at hand, Menes! ONWARD!!!

You nailed it again! Its like an old timex... takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'.

disch said:

omfg Laura!! I've explained my thoughts on this several times. It's incredible annoying to me that you refuse to even acknowledge what I've said before directly with you, just within the past few days. I don't care if you agree, but you just attempt to ignite the exact same conversataion over and over.

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He did not have a "holistic appointment" at all! YES, THE INTERVENTION WOULDN'T BE CALLED HOLISTIC. I've agreed with you several times about that.

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The whole "holistic" thing was an erroneous report from the days right after he died when those close to him were still being publicly cagey about what exactly happened. It didn't "keep getting reporte in the press," any more than "he died of the flu" kept getting reported in the press, which it did in the days right after he died. No one keeps saying, well maybe he did die of the flu! It kept getting reported, after all.

-

The "holistic appointment" line was repeated in one 6-sentence article the other day by a writer who was clearly just copying a few sentences from old reports as background. It was not mentioned in the warrants or in any other reputable, cited reported story.

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You really need to learn how to critically interprete what you read in the media.

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LAST TIME i post on this. Seriously.

Have you ever tried playing chess with a pigeon? See, no matter how much you are beating the pigeon at a game it does not understand, the pigeon will shit all over the board and strut around like it won.

disch said:

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Have you ever tried playing chess with a pigeon? See, no matter how much you are beating the pigeon at a game it does not understand, the pigeon will shit all over the board and strut around like it won.

—Grown people on one here go back time out.

Are you a pigeon?

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

A half a dozen associates keep telling us " We do not know the whole story? Common sense would tell you their is some part of the story we do not know.

Unlike you I actually want the cancer rumors ( what I think) to be false and I not going to have a meltdown if it is.

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Lol. You want the cancer RUMORS (what you think) to be false but yet in another post you believe that he had cancer because... Are you having one of your cognitive dissonance moments? Just a matter of time.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Are you a pigeon?

Go in your corner. Get ready to have your diaper changed.

Well, since you seem to dabble in shit quite often, you won't have any problems changing me, now will you?

Are we there yet?

purplefam99 said:

disch said:

I think that's certainly possible he didn't know they were counterfeit (he might think that whoever supplied him the drugs was providing him the "real deal," albeit on the black market. It's even possible that whoever supplied him the drugs didn't realize they were counterfeit. I mean, I can imagine if someone manufactures/sells drugs that are made to look just like pills you'd get from a pharmacy, they're not going to tell their customers, oh by the way, these are fake).

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I'm still not understanding how he wouldn't know that they weren't prescribed to him. I wuold assume he'd know what medications he had been legitimately prescribed by a doctor.

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Maybe I'm still not understanding..

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i think luvsexy may be saying something along these lines perhaps. hey man i need this medicine

go to the dr get an rx in your name an then give them to me. i don't want the pills in my name cause

i am famous. Here is the $$ for you to go to the dr and the pharmacy. but maybe my friend does that then get lazy and says i am just gonna go thru the black market and get the meds so i don't

have to hassel with dr appointments and what not. my friend won't know cause they look just like

regular meds.

*and then this protocol is established and the friend never mentions to person taking the meds how

exactly they are getting them. friend probably isn't even aware they could be made in a way that they would be toxic when used normally. both are clueless.

i don't know if that is what luvsexy is saying, but maybe

thats what im saying...maybe it wasnt intentional or it was..by his handler

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

I disagree. I do not think he is dead because of privacy. If it is true that he was going to go to a rehab and he was seeing a doctor he was handling his stituation the way anyone else would as a private health matter. I put if because I am not so sure that is what was occuring but I do not see any signs of him not making an effort to seek medical help or try to get off this stuff. We also have no idea what doctors or treatment he may had prior to Dr S.

Even Kirk told the police he was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment. Could have been rehab we just do not know.

The whole he would not go to rehab for fear of his privacy was made up by the media. We have not heard one word about this from Phedra, Kirk or Meron so we do not know.

.

I respect your opinion. I still do believe that his privacy issues is what lead to his untimely death.

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Furthermore, the way they went about in setting-up this intervention was half-assed, at best. Kirk and Dr. Schulemberg knew exactly what was going on with Prince, and they did not stabilize Prince and get him into treatment in a timely manner.

Of all people, Kirk would have known exactly what was going on with Prince. If he knew what was going on with Prince, what sense would it make to stage an intervention to get him off of anything if he was terminal? There is no way to qualify "intervention" and "terminal" . To me, that would mean that you are now willing to watch your master, your friend , suffer an agonizing death .

Furthermore, regardless of whether Prince told Dr. Schulenberg that he was terminal, or whether Prince signed a waiver holding him or the hospital harmless, it does not negate the fact that Dr. Schulenberg had/has access to the technology to support whether or not he was terminal.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I respect your opinion. I still do believe that his privacy issues is what lead to his untimely death.

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Furthermore, the way they went about in setting-up this intervention was half-assed, at best. Kirk and Dr. Schulemberg knew exactly what was going on with Prince, and they did not stabilize Prince and get him into treatment in a timely manner.

You cannot force someone to do something they do not want to do.

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I totally understand that, but I'm just saying that Prince made poor choices when it came to his well-being/health. That's all I'm trying to say here.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: Go in your corner. Get ready to have your diaper changed.

Well, since you seem to dabble in shit quite often, you won't have any problems changing me, now will you?

.

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Sorry, I have to laugh at that -- come on, my purple lovlies--we are having a nice discussion here. Play nice.

luvsexy4all said:

purplefam99 said:

i think luvsexy may be saying something along these lines perhaps. hey man i need this medicine

go to the dr get an rx in your name an then give them to me. i don't want the pills in my name cause

i am famous. Here is the $$ for you to go to the dr and the pharmacy. but maybe my friend does that then get lazy and says i am just gonna go thru the black market and get the meds so i don't

have to hassel with dr appointments and what not. my friend won't know cause they look just like

regular meds.

*and then this protocol is established and the friend never mentions to person taking the meds how

exactly they are getting them. friend probably isn't even aware they could be made in a way that they would be toxic when used normally. both are clueless.

i don't know if that is what luvsexy is saying, but maybe

thats what im saying...maybe it wasnt intentional or it was..by his handler

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disch said:

I think that's certainly possible he didn't know they were counterfeit (he might think that whoever supplied him the drugs was providing him the "real deal," albeit on the black market. It's even possible that whoever supplied him the drugs didn't realize they were counterfeit.

.

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.......He probably thought he could "trust" his source for the pills.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I respect your opinion. I still do believe that his privacy issues is what lead to his untimely death.

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Furthermore, the way they went about in setting-up this intervention was half-assed, at best. Kirk and Dr. Schulemberg knew exactly what was going on with Prince, and they did not stabilize Prince and get him into treatment in a timely manner.

Of all people, Kirk would have known exactly what was going on with Prince. If he knew what was going on with Prince, what sense would it make to stage an intervention to get him off of anything if he was terminal? There is no way to qualify "intervention" and "terminal" . To me, that would mean that you are now willing to watch your master, your friend , suffer an agonizing death .

Furthermore, regardless of whether Prince told Dr. Schulenberg that he was terminal, or whether Prince signed a waiver holding him or the hospital harmless, it does not negate the fact that Dr. Schulenberg had/has access to the technology to support whether or not he was terminal.

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Menes, you must be reading my thoughts, LOL

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Good point!! If Prince was terminal, Dr. Schulemberg had to have known. After all, he did see Prince on two occasions, and gave him Rx and ran tests, etc.

Menes said:

Menes said:

luvsexy4all said:

Menes said:

disch said:

omfg Laura!! I've explained my thoughts on this several times. It's incredible annoying to me that you refuse to even acknowledge what I've said before directly with you, just within the past few days. I don't care if you agree, but you just attempt to ignite the exact same conversataion over and over.

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He did not have a "holistic appointment" at all! YES, THE INTERVENTION WOULDN'T BE CALLED HOLISTIC. I've agreed with you several times about that.

-

The whole "holistic" thing was an erroneous report from the days right after he died when those close to him were still being publicly cagey about what exactly happened. It didn't "keep getting reporte in the press," any more than "he died of the flu" kept getting reported in the press, which it did in the days right after he died. No one keeps saying, well maybe he did die of the flu! It kept getting reported, after all.

-

The "holistic appointment" line was repeated in one 6-sentence article the other day by a writer who was clearly just copying a few sentences from old reports as background. It was not mentioned in the warrants or in any other reputable, cited reported story.

-

You really need to learn how to critically interprete what you read in the media.

-

LAST TIME i post on this. Seriously.

laurarichardson said:

Well the problem is that an intervention with actual controlled substances involved is not holistic at all. We are hearing about this appointment again from a actual news source that is also reporting on the progress of the criminal case. Not sure it is wrong twice and I am sure the media knows the difference between an intervention for drug issues and holistic healing. I do not think they have been misconstruted it as the same thing. In addition, a holistic healing center is only a few miles from Paisley Park.

Not going to address the standing around part. I think he had some dim bulbs working for him.

I am not repeating myself. I am addressing your statements which are the same even when new info comes to light.

Seriously cant understand why People cant believe that Prince had an appointment with a Holistic healer...

THis was a guy who took echinacea and Vitamin C to support his immune system,

He arranged for doctors to give him Vitamin B shots to give him energy before a show, when a snort of cocaine or a dose of over the counter Caffeine based pills could have done the same thing.

This guy ate whole foods,dranks smoothies and fresh juices and believed in treating his body with respect yet the idea of him visiting a holistic health practicioner to get support

for what may possibly have been an ongoing underlying health issue is unbelievable to you ?

You would rather believe that he was self medicating with a cocktail of pharmaceutical

and illegal drugs based on erroneous evidence .

Not a single script in his name...Schulenberg prescribed pain pills in Kirks name

so you can be assured he was in PAIN..and Kirk knew about it...

but how he came by the Fentanyl is the reason this is a criminal investigation.

A person who made the food choices that Prince did, someone who ashews intoxicating drugs

is not going to take ANYTHING Willy nilly !

There is no way that he took Fentanyl KNOWINGLY....