Well, it's another cold day here, and was doing some cleaning with the TV going in the background. The "Megan Kelley Today" show was on, and I didn't catch the name of the band playing today, but Wow! Up front wailing on a saxaphone and a bass sax were two women; and it made me think of Prince.

The Purple One was one of first to give talented females actual places in his bands, not just as backup singers or dancers. He was gender neutral in musicical ability. Yes, other rock stars obviously loved women, but Prince really promoted their careers. Just another example of his giving nature. Not a new thought to most of us, but his legacy in this arena just keeps paying it forward into the future of music.

and in return... Prince got a lot of...

j/k

D

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Yeah, that is right, but.....his actions still helped lots of female musicians. A win-win?

HerecomethePurpleYoda said:

That would be and maybe one of these a time or 2.

he promoted a lot of talentless women sure, but after he died, i was surprised by how many people of all persuasions he gave a shot to. I always assumed he never gave men a shot after the time broke up, it wasn't true, he never supported male acts but he hired many men. last night I was wondering, knowing that someone from chanhassen, maybe Prince, once looked at my website, i was wondering if he'd also considered giving me a shot. something unfathomable before his death but those things happened alot.

I think a majority of the women did have a certain degree of talent. A lot of women he helped promote already had a music career going before Prince entered the picture (i.e., Vanity, Sheila E., Sheena)....some of them, not so talented.

some of em did, some of em didn't, i don't want to mention names because some of the people hear will get offended. Prince got a lot of mileage out of "i can make a star out of you" and he never seemed to stop, not one of his better characteristics.

Yes. Prince helped out a lot of women be successful. But some did not make the cut like Mayte Garcia. I just do not get it. Prince had given her the world. She still was the best back up dancer he had. I guess all of that ratchet stuff she was doing on stage back in the '90's did work!

Prince loved music and he loved women, but it didn't always make for a romantic combination. I do think that some of his female relationships were purely business.

cloveringold85 said:

Prince loved music and he loved women, but it didn't always make for a romantic combination. I do think that some of his female relationships were purely business.

he did say something I agree with, and it's a reason, not the only one but a reason men like to hire women, men working with men are too competitive and too backstabbing (same with women working together too) all the egos getting in the way of what he's trying to do. He mentioned that before and i could see that. However, there are always issues as he knew, but with women, they don't end up with "i can kick your ass" everytime that gets old.

thedance said:

and in return... Prince got a lot of...

if we could see the videos...

Prince = check out the cane!

luvsexy4all said:

thedance said:

and in return... Prince got a lot of...

if we could see the videos...

Would you really want to?

Personally, I wouldn't.

Thank you for saying that. Really, if he fvcked every woman he helped he would definitely be a sexual harrasser and every woman he worked with was compromised (and more scarily, allowed herself to be.)

I try to look it this way. P connected to people through music, got his confidence from his musical ability, loved women, more specifically loved women with musical potential. The chemistry was either between his mentorees/proteges or it wasn't and hopefully women were able to decline his advances (which hopefully were not over the top or degrading) without his suppsed interest in their talent being adversely affected. I like to think that the ambitious women who messed around with P (especially those who approached him) were wanting the world (in other words, wanted the man, the sex, the life, and the career). Its funny that no one has come out and called him a sexual harasser in this current environment or at any point earlier. I guess a lot of it would have to do with how Prince made women feel and how often they approached him. Even before the Weinstein scandal, others were quietly being called out for harassment (there were 8 lawsuits against weinstein before the scandal really broke) and Matt Lauer rumors were already around. No lawsuits against Prince right???--except the very dubious CHarlene Friend one? Right???

cloveringold85 said:

Prince loved music and he loved women, but it didn't always make for a romantic combination. I do think that some of his female relationships were purely business.

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purplerabbithole said:

Thank you for saying that. Really, if he fvcked every woman he helped he would definitely be a sexual harrasser and every woman he worked with was compromised (and more scarily, allowed herself to be.)

I try to look it this way. P connected to people through music, got his confidence from his musical ability, loved women, more specifically loved women with musical potential. The chemistry was either between his mentorees/proteges or it wasn't and hopefully women were able to decline his advances (which hopefully were not over the top or degrading) without his suppsed interest in their talent being adversely affected. I like to think that the ambitious women who messed around with P (especially those who approached him) were wanting the world (in other words, wanted the man, the sex, the life, and the career). Its funny that no one has come out and called him a sexual harasser in this current environment or at any point earlier. I guess a lot of it would have to do with how Prince made women feel and how often they approached him. Even before the Weinstein scandal, others were quietly being called out for harassment (there were 8 lawsuits against weinstein before the scandal really broke) and Matt Lauer rumors were already around. No lawsuits against Prince right???--except the very dubious CHarlene Friend one? Right???

cloveringold85 said:

Prince loved music and he loved women, but it didn't always make for a romantic combination. I do think that some of his female relationships were purely business.

[Edited 1/13/18 6:44am]

I think you speak the truth.....

42Kristen said:

Yes. Prince helped out a lot of women be successful. But some did not make the cut like Mayte Garcia. I just do not get it. Prince had given her the world. She still was the best back up dancer he had. I guess all of that ratchet stuff she was doing on stage back in the '90's did work!

A lot of them didn't go on to become successful.

you're right, prince just never had the aura as a predator, still though, I know from experience, ain't no way to mess with that many women and not have boqooos issues. Crazy Sinead said he was threatening her, there is still the troubling Jill Jones story that he broke her hand/wrist(sounded true). compared to all the women he dealt with, very little drama, women issues destroy many many men, just look at how some nebulous incident is used to destroy a man's life. Prince, maybe because he was so small and pretty just never could come across like a Mike Tyson type.

purplerabbithole said:

Thank you for saying that. Really, if he fvcked every woman he helped he would definitely be a sexual harrasser and every woman he worked with was compromised (and more scarily, allowed herself to be.)

I try to look it this way. P connected to people through music, got his confidence from his musical ability, loved women, more specifically loved women with musical potential. The chemistry was either between his mentorees/proteges or it wasn't and hopefully women were able to decline his advances (which hopefully were not over the top or degrading) without his suppsed interest in their talent being adversely affected. I like to think that the ambitious women who messed around with P (especially those who approached him) were wanting the world (in other words, wanted the man, the sex, the life, and the career). Its funny that no one has come out and called him a sexual harasser in this current environment or at any point earlier. I guess a lot of it would have to do with how Prince made women feel and how often they approached him. Even before the Weinstein scandal, others were quietly being called out for harassment (there were 8 lawsuits against weinstein before the scandal really broke) and Matt Lauer rumors were already around. No lawsuits against Prince right???--except the very dubious CHarlene Friend one? Right???

cloveringold85 said:

Prince loved music and he loved women, but it didn't always make for a romantic combination. I do think that some of his female relationships were purely business.

[Edited 1/13/18 6:44am]

PeteSilas said:

you're right, prince just never had the aura as a predator, still though, I know from experience, ain't no way to mess with that many women and not have boqooos issues. Crazy Sinead said he was threatening her, there is still the troubling Jill Jones story that he broke her hand/wrist(sounded true). compared to all the women he dealt with, very little drama, women issues destroy many many men, just look at how some nebulous incident is used to destroy a man's life. Prince, maybe because he was so small and pretty just never could come across like a Mike Tyson type.

What's the story with JJ wrist? I've never heard it before.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

you're right, prince just never had the aura as a predator, still though, I know from experience, ain't no way to mess with that many women and not have boqooos issues. Crazy Sinead said he was threatening her, there is still the troubling Jill Jones story that he broke her hand/wrist(sounded true). compared to all the women he dealt with, very little drama, women issues destroy many many men, just look at how some nebulous incident is used to destroy a man's life. Prince, maybe because he was so small and pretty just never could come across like a Mike Tyson type.

What's the story with JJ wrist? I've never heard it before.

i don't know, you can probably guess, they got into a fight and it got out of control. Jill's father also worked for Prince, hairstylist I believe so she didn't want to mess everything up. She hasn't said anything about it, for good reasons, since Prince has died but I'm sure she will some day.

Assuming the wrist rumor is even true (any corraborators other than Jill?) or if we know the context/circumstances (accidental collision, rough-housing that gets out of hand (like falling off a bed) , or intentional pushing to the floor while her hand attempted to break the fall)? Jill can be irate sometimes so who knows. I am not going to discredit her but I am not going to immediately just believe her. Sinead and Charlene---I definitely do not believe. I consider myself a feminist but people sometimes just lie or exagerrate because they are angry...look up the story around Carole Bryant/Emmitt Till.

As for P's small size..not sure that would matter if one wanted to push a law suit. over harassment. It would be tougher to approve assault maybe.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

What's the story with JJ wrist? I've never heard it before.

i don't know, you can probably guess, they got into a fight and it got out of control. Jill's father also worked for Prince, hairstylist I believe so she didn't want to mess everything up. She hasn't said anything about it, for good reasons, since Prince has died but I'm sure she will some day.

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I wonder if he didn't use women as band members because they're "emotional" playing comes easier to them than it does to men? I mean, men need to "get in touch" with their emotions whereas women already come from that perspective. I also think Peter hit on a point - having women on stage would naturally bring out his desire to "impress" women but, with males, there would be more competitivness on stage. This would also lead to a more welcoming energy - and he was all about energy - than a "macho" presence.

Not every woman is a puritan. Some don't mind mixing work, art, love, and sex. they don't feel ashamed, degraded, forced or oppressed necesarrily.. Its funny but 100 french actresses (including Catherine Deneuve) have just signed an anti-MeToo statement. I am not going to assume that they are a bunch of doormats who allow men to walk all over them. Sometimes I do think when the Puritans and opportunists jump onto good causes, they muddy the waters and ruin the original intent of the movement.

In my opinion, women should be emboldened to speak out the second someone insults them but I also think the punishment should fit the crime and that varied and measured reactions to infractions should be in place, not over-the-top over-correction and man-hating. I am for the me-too movement but I am also for measured, fair beliefs that men are innocent until proven guilty and that not every supposed infraction warrants the destruction of a career or life. (there are degrees of guilt as well as two sides to every story)

I bring up the Carole Bryant/Emmitt Till story to bring up my point. Look it up.

Seahorsie said:

purplerabbithole said:

Thank you for saying that. Really, if he fvcked every woman he helped he would definitely be a sexual harrasser and every woman he worked with was compromised (and more scarily, allowed herself to be.)

I try to look it this way. P connected to people through music, got his confidence from his musical ability, loved women, more specifically loved women with musical potential. The chemistry was either between his mentorees/proteges or it wasn't and hopefully women were able to decline his advances (which hopefully were not over the top or degrading) without his suppsed interest in their talent being adversely affected. I like to think that the ambitious women who messed around with P (especially those who approached him) were wanting the world (in other words, wanted the man, the sex, the life, and the career). Its funny that no one has come out and called him a sexual harasser in this current environment or at any point earlier. I guess a lot of it would have to do with how Prince made women feel and how often they approached him. Even before the Weinstein scandal, others were quietly being called out for harassment (there were 8 lawsuits against weinstein before the scandal really broke) and Matt Lauer rumors were already around. No lawsuits against Prince right???--except the very dubious CHarlene Friend one? Right???

[Edited 1/13/18 6:44am]

I think you speak the truth.....

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[Edited 1/13/18 11:02am]

it's beyond ridiculous but that's our country. that's why you have men like me who have to live asexual because they don't want the drama, look at a woman crosseyed and you're raping her, i been in that situation and others different but similar, that's why i just don't do it. american women are nothing but trouble and the good ones i let get away from me.

purplerabbithole sai

Not every woman is a puritan. Some don't mind mixing work, art, love, and sex. they don't feel ashamed, degraded, forced or oppressed necesarrily.. Its funny but 100 french actresses (including Catherine Deneuve) have just signed an anti-MeToo statement. I am not going to assume that they are a bunch of doormats who allow men to walk all over them. Sometimes I do think when the Puritans and opportunists jump onto good causes, they muddy the waters and ruin the original intent of the movement.

In my opinion, women should be emboldened to speak out the second someone insults them but I also think the punishment should fit the crime and that varied and measured reactions to infractions should be in place, not over-the-top over-correction and man-hating. I am for the me-too movement but I am also for measured, fair beliefs that men are innocent until proven guilty and that not every supposed infraction warrants the destruction of a career or life. (there are degrees of guilt as well as two sides to every story)

I bring up the Carole Bryant/Emmitt Till story to bring up my point. Look it up.

Seahorsie said:

I think you speak the truth.....

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[Edited 1/13/18 11:02am]

Hey, I am an AMerican women. ..LOL..Back in the day, I was an attractive girl..I got a few iffy comments that were questionable..either I brushed them off or excused myself..Generally speaking, there were no ramifications career wise. I understand the fear from Weinstein because of his history and his ability to get away with it, but some women have over-reacted to the smallest comments because they have a general issue with the power structure. Like the stuff against James Franco is way over the top in my opinon..He is a bit of sleeze but no criminal.

PeteSilas said:

it's beyond ridiculous but that's our country. that's why you have men like me who have to live asexual because they don't want the drama, look at a woman crosseyed and you're raping her, i been in that situation and others different but similar, that's why i just don't do it. american women are nothing but trouble and the good ones i let get away from me.

purplerabbithole sai

Not every woman is a puritan. Some don't mind mixing work, art, love, and sex. they don't feel ashamed, degraded, forced or oppressed necesarrily.. Its funny but 100 french actresses (including Catherine Deneuve) have just signed an anti-MeToo statement. I am not going to assume that they are a bunch of doormats who allow men to walk all over them. Sometimes I do think when the Puritans and opportunists jump onto good causes, they muddy the waters and ruin the original intent of the movement.

In my opinion, women should be emboldened to speak out the second someone insults them but I also think the punishment should fit the crime and that varied and measured reactions to infractions should be in place, not over-the-top over-correction and man-hating. I am for the me-too movement but I am also for measured, fair beliefs that men are innocent until proven guilty and that not every supposed infraction warrants the destruction of a career or life. (there are degrees of guilt as well as two sides to every story)

I bring up the Carole Bryant/Emmitt Till story to bring up my point. Look it up.

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[Edited 1/13/18 11:02am]

purplerabbithole said:

Hey, I am an AMerican women. ..LOL..Back in the day, I was an attractive girl..I got a few iffy comments that were questionable..either I brushed them off or excused myself..Generally speaking, there were no ramifications career wise. I understand the fear from Weinstein because of his history and his ability to get away with it, but some women have over-reacted to the smallest comments because they have a general issue with the power structure. Like the stuff against James Franco is way over the top in my opinon..He is a bit of sleeze but no criminal.

PeteSilas said:

it's beyond ridiculous but that's our country. that's why you have men like me who have to live asexual because they don't want the drama, look at a woman crosseyed and you're raping her, i been in that situation and others different but similar, that's why i just don't do it. american women are nothing but trouble and the good ones i let get away from me.

i'm sure you did and i was never an angel but.., some of the things women have pulled were just evil, no other word for it. as a consequence, i've lost out on some winners because of the losers but you only see that in the rear view.

Oh, don't worry the comments weren't that bad and they didn't phase me. IN fact, the guys were just awkward..nothing serious. The reality is that there needs to be open communication and ways for employees to feel free to bring up situations and comments that make them uncomfortable without it being the end of the world. Its funny but I remember an interview with Arthur Miller when he was discussing his play the Crucible (the one about the Salem witch trials)..Someone asked hiim if he thought the girls were evil because of the harm they caused. He said he kind of sympathized with them because the power structure was oppressive of them and when they got a little empowerment, it exploded and caused harm to well intentioned people... I don't think a man hitting on an employee is a crime or something that should ruin a career, but there does need to be insurances that the women under his employment have the right to say no without losing their jobs. The fact that some women assume that the lonely boss hitting on them would retaliate by firing them if they decline could very well be erroneous and unfair but the assumption is certainly understandable considering that firings and real and frequent harassment has happened before in various settings.. A good HR department with empathy for both parties and measured appropriate reactions would help.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

Hey, I am an AMerican women. ..LOL..Back in the day, I was an attractive girl..I got a few iffy comments that were questionable..either I brushed them off or excused myself..Generally speaking, there were no ramifications career wise. I understand the fear from Weinstein because of his history and his ability to get away with it, but some women have over-reacted to the smallest comments because they have a general issue with the power structure. Like the stuff against James Franco is way over the top in my opinon..He is a bit of sleeze but no criminal.

i'm sure you did and i was never an angel but.., some of the things women have pulled were just evil, no other word for it. as a consequence, i've lost out on some winners because of the losers but you only see that in the rear view.

Seahorsie said: