http://www.startribune.co...456728283/

Yeah.... I called this months ago, and got attacked by a small minority of people who, as per usual, had no idea what they were talking about.

Fraud on the part of TIDAL. As expected.

I've come to trust your words long ago, Militant. You've always been intelligent about the things you put out without being a blowhard. We got your back.

TrivialPursuit said:

I've come to trust your words long ago, Militant. You've always been intelligent about the things you put out without being a blowhard. We got your back.

Hold up Mil.

You are one of the sane folks around here!!!

I pay close attention to you.

OperatingThetan said:

I'm reading here that Prince's estate is alleging fraud against Tidal, but not that this has been substantiated or upheld in court. Tidal possibly may be guilty of misconduct regarding streaming after Prince's death, but this has to be proven in a court of law and a verdict rendered before any conclusion can be reached.

For the Estate to allege fraud in a court of law is incredibly serious. And yes, whilst the judge still must deliver a verdict, the article makes it clear that the Estate have continually asked TIDAL to provide some evidence of the arrangement or contract they had with Prince, and they have been completely unable to do so.

I think it's pretty clear why.

muleFunk said:

Hold up Mil.

You are one of the sane folks around here!!!

I pay close attention to you.

Thank you mule

Militant said:

http://www.startribune.co...456728283/

Yeah.... I called this months ago, and got attacked by a small minority of people who, as per usual, had no idea what they were talking about.

Fraud on the part of TIDAL. As expected.

Has it been proven or just alleged?

I don't like Tidal and I don't like JayZ.

Has it ever been determined how TIDAL gained access to Prince's digital catalogue in the first place? It had to be granted by Prince, no? And, I'm not saying that the Estate is wrong. I'm just asking for clarity, as that, it seems to me, is a missing piece of this story.

[Edited 11/10/17 19:08pm]

If Tidal can't produce a contract, why doesn't the judge order them to stop streaming immediately?

[Edited 11/10/17 19:14pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

Has it ever been determined how TIDAL gained access to Prince's digital catalogue in the first place? It had to be granted by Prince, no? And, I'm not saying that the Estate is wrong. I'm just asking for clarity, as that, it seems to me, is a missing piece of this story.

[Edited 11/10/17 19:08pm]

No, of course not.

Anyone with a copy of any audio can upload it to TIDAL or any other digital platform. All you need to do is sign up with a free account on any distributor such as DistroKid or TuneCore, upload the audio and art, tick a box that says "I own the rights to this" and boom - it'll be on there.

Recently, bootlegs of Madhouse 24 were up on TIDAL and other streaming platforms. Cuz someone uploaded them and figured they'd rake in the profits and see if anyone bothered to come after them. Madhouse 24 was never even officially released!

Seems pretty damn obvious that TIDAL, in the wake of Prince's death, thought "oh yeah, let's upload a bunch of material to capitalize on this", found their copies of Chocolate Invasion, Goldnigga or whatever else they uploaded after P's death and stuck em up there.

The only way they could have gotten away with this is

A) They have a contract with Prince that says "You can have the streaming rights to literally everything I've ever released" - which they would have provided by now, if they had it.

or

B) They have a contract that specifies every single album they were authorised to upload and it includes all the ones that didn't appear on TIDAL until after P died, which was some months after the original batch upload, which begs the question - why didn't they upload them at the same time as everything else?

This doesnt mean Comerica wins the case.
This article is so cryptic I think a Nelson wrote it.

Militant said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Has it ever been determined how TIDAL gained access to Prince's digital catalogue in the first place? It had to be granted by Prince, no? And, I'm not saying that the Estate is wrong. I'm just asking for clarity, as that, it seems to me, is a missing piece of this story.

[Edited 11/10/17 19:08pm]

No, of course not.

Anyone with a copy of any audio can upload it to TIDAL or any other digital platform. All you need to do is sign up with a free account on any distributor such as DistroKid or TuneCore, upload the audio and art, tick a box that says "I own the rights to this" and boom - it'll be on there.

Recently, bootlegs of Madhouse 24 were up on TIDAL and other streaming platforms. Cuz someone uploaded them and figured they'd rake in the profits and see if anyone bothered to come after them. Madhouse 24 was never even officially released!

Seems pretty damn obvious that TIDAL, in the wake of Prince's death, thought "oh yeah, let's upload a bunch of material to capitalize on this", found their copies of Chocolate Invasion, Goldnigga or whatever else they uploaded after P's death and stuck em up there.

The only way they could have gotten away with this is

A) They have a contract with Prince that says "You can have the streaming rights to literally everything I've ever released" - which they would have provided by now, if they had it.

or

B) They have a contract that specifies every single album they were authorised to upload and it includes all the ones that didn't appear on TIDAL until after P died, which was some months after the original batch upload, which begs the question - why didn't they upload them at the same time as everything else?

Wow. Thanks for clearing that up.

TrevorAyer said:

How did tidal get lossless versions of albums previously only in mp3 if not from prince?

they do sound amazing. the copies of 'chocolate invasion' and 'slaughterhouse' as well
as 'xpectation' that i bought the flac files for from tidal sound super good compared to
the official npgmusicclub downloads i had before.

but i think those were perhaps uploaded before april 21st 2016? i can't remember.

IstenSzek said:

TIDAL is trash.

Militant said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

For the Estate to allege fraud in a court of law is incredibly serious. And yes, whilst the judge still must deliver a verdict, the article makes it clear that the Estate have continually asked TIDAL to provide some evidence of the arrangement or contract they had with Prince, and they have been completely unable to do so.

I think it's pretty clear why.

—Do you honestly think Prince sent files to Tidal when he was alive and well and spoke of the company in the media for free. Tidal claims they paid Prince 3 million dollars all they have to do is show an exchange and they can say a contract was implied do the exchange of money and deliverables however I do believe they do have some contractual document. I simply cannot see a company risking the accusation of copyright infringement without having some contract. Also all of this venom is directed at Jay-z when Tidal is a subsidiary of Aspiro. I doubt the parent company would allow this partnership to happen without some contract. The dispute is really over what the contract states and if someone had POA to sign for Prince. [Edited 11/11/17 8:45am]

Then why haven't they provided anything to the Estate, after all these months?

Militant said:

PennyPurple said:

trickster said:

IstenSzek said:

they do sound amazing. the copies of 'chocolate invasion' and 'slaughterhouse' as well
as 'xpectation' that i bought the flac files for from tidal sound super good compared to
the official npgmusicclub downloads i had before.

but i think those were perhaps uploaded before april 21st 2016? i can't remember.

Yes, they were uploaded before. Prince didnt made contracts and This is the Result..

Yet WB had a contract to release the Purple Rain remaster. If Tidal can't provide a contract, they can claim rights to his music.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Then why haven't they provided anything to the Estate, after all these months?

To drag things out and they did say in the court docs that Comerica should speak with Prince employees they worked with and they named named as well as telling Comerica to do their own due dilegence. If this goes to trial Tidal will have to cough up something or show they paid Prince something.One thing we know for certain is that Prince wanted to do business with company he sent them the music from the last show. They are not some rogue company attaching themselves to Prince. [Edited 11/11/17 9:14am]

Why would they want to drag things out?

PennyPurple said:

If TIDAL had paperwork they would have provided it by now, it's really that simple.


Also - Londell has nothing to do with this court case at this stage, because he does not represent the Estate and has not represented the Estate for over 6 months.

Therefore..... anyone mentioning his name at this point in the game clearly does not know what they are talking about.

This also gets into the digital releases of The Family and Madhouse 8 and 16 on these sites .

I am wondering now if they released these albums then why hasn't Jill Jones and Shelia E's albums haven't been uploaded? Or have they??????