Like shit

purplepolitician said:

Since he's not around to work on them anymore, they're already "finished".

I don't think any fan would want this.

And I don't think there's much profit to make anyway: it's unlikely a Prince song, even remixed by the hippest producer, can be a posthumous hit the way Love Never Felt So Good was. So far, whenever that question was asked here, everyone was vocal in saying NO. And given the huge amount of studio recordings to be released as such to satisfy the fans, there's no need for cheap remixes.

Let's be careful, though: posthumously "finishing" songs is exactly what Ian Boxill did, and few people complained when the EP was released for a few days. If we say NO now, we say NO then, and we must make sure there's gonna be an unprecedented backlash if the estate ever does it.

PURPLEMAN3121777 said:

i don't think they will because they won't really have to, there is so much complete material and it's not like MJ or Elvis who released most of their good stuff, Prince has tons of stuff completely produced, doesn't need it, they probably will tinker, but i think we'll get plenty of stuff just as he intended.

if they do it like the deluxe version of Xscape, i would be very interested.

i really like that album, but to be honest.....the bonus disc with the originals, is better. The demo's are fine as they are and could have been released as full album. And that will be the same if they release demo's by Prince.

But the things the other artists did with those demo's is not disrespectful or really bad.

So i would like to have such a double take on things album for prince.

would probably listen to the originals the most, but give the other one a spin once in a while too...

wouldn't be to bad, if done like that.

To me, it completely comes down to how developed the source material was, and who they bring in to finish it off. For example, if Wendy and Lisa got involved with putting some finishing touches on some Revolution-era vault material which was more or less fully-formed anyway, stuff they were likely already involved with, chances are that'd turn out really nice and would probably be of interest to fans.

However overall most of the demos are purely of historical interest to me (e.g. as an outtake, something intended for a particular project but wasn't quite coming together so got shelved). They aren't things I want finished off. Overall Prince made good decisions about what to shelve and what to stick with.

OperatingThetan said:

To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely.

Mine too, only basing it on what fans/commentators have said over the years and the Crystal Ball liner notes for (was it?) Last Heart, where it said something like "this demo, almost unheard of for Prince..."

It's going to happen, you know it will.

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OperatingThetan said:

To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely. As we know, there are entire albums in the vault that are fully produced and sequenced and Morris Hayes confirmed several of those from 2010 onwards in a recent interview. Several songs on 'Sign 'O Times' might sound like demos, but their inclusion on the album shows that they are not.

Whilst this is the consensus, I don't think it will stop whoever is in charge doing it for some release or other, just by way of trying to suck in new listeners. I mean, who wouldn't want to hear Taylor Swift dueting with Prince on an unreleased masterpiece remixed by Skrillex.

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PURPLEMAN3121777 said:

When Michael Jackson‘s Demo tapes were found they had people add instrumentation to them. For example the piano demo of “Love never felt so good” They made two new versions. One with added instruments and one with Justin Timberlake. My question is how would you feel if they did the same to some of prince’s demos in the vault.

Release them as they are, would be my choice, or not at all. Always interesting to hear different stages of the development of a bit of music.

Wouldn't be awful if they also released the tracks in the state they found them in. It would be awful if they didn't.

If it had to be done I suppose original band members from whatever time period could come in and do some stuff on top.

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If they have to do it, then also release what Prince had on his own before any tinkering. But my preference would be to not have them do such a thing. MJ always had collaborators or producers, so that's a little bit of adifferent scenario, but Prince was famous for being a one man band, so leaev his stuff well alone.

purplethunder3121 said:

I second this! Hell No!

TheEnglishGent said:

If they have to do it, then also release what Prince had on his own before any tinkering. But my preference would be to not have them do such a thing. MJ always had collaborators or producers, so that's a little bit of adifferent scenario, but Prince was famous for being a one man band, so leaev his stuff well alone.

that's what i thought of too, if they don't want to release something really unfinished, just release both versions, i'd probably like the unfinished better anyway.

OperatingThetan said:

To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely. As we know, there are entire albums in the vault that are fully produced and sequenced and Morris Hayes confirmed several of those from 2010 onwards in a recent interview. Several songs on 'Sign 'O Times' might sound like demos, but their inclusion on the album shows that they are not. So, the answer is no. Any and all Prince songs should be released untouched. And those MJ mixes sounded like shit and were inauthentic. The original demos were still way superior.

any song that's really worth anything should be able to stand on it's own in demo form anyway.

will said that? never knew too much about him but i just gained a lot of respect for him.

tump said:

PURPLEMAN3121777 said:

When Michael Jackson‘s Demo tapes were found they had people add instrumentation to them. For example the piano demo of “Love never felt so good” They made two new versions. One with added instruments and one with Justin Timberlake. My question is how would you feel if they did the same to some of prince’s demos in the vault.

Bad. 1. living artists should be protecting themselves from the vultures who profit from unfinished work by stating no such thing is permissible in their wills. 2. People who participate in this activity ( buyers of posthumous material the artist had no say in, plus artists who redo tracks and release them under the dead artist's name) deserve no respect. I saw the video describing MJs reworked tracks, with artists like Rodney Jerkins describing how they felt Michael was in the room when they were completing the work. I felt like vomiting. I remember listening to will.i.am saying he wouldn't release the material they worked on together (or something to that effect) because MJ was his friend. Integrity. Some have heard of it.

PeteSilas said:

FragileUndertow said:

purplepolitician said:

Like shit

Empress said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I second this! Hell No!

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^^^ That's just what I said out loud, LOL