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Reply #60 posted 12/11/17 4:43am

Knightoflight

djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs. I'm more upset at the so called elite collectors for keeping this stuff for decades from guys like me that have loved Prince for 30+ years. Why am I not allowed to hear this stuff? Just because I'm not "elite"? Is it because I never worked with Prince? How does one become elite? Why does it take Eye Records to get them to release this stuff? Do they relize that releasing these things just before Eye Records makes me want to buy the Eye release even more? It's almost like a pre-advance single from the old days.

I have bought almost every Prince album on the day of release since "Around the world in a day". I bought every download from his multiple websites. I have multiple formats of his albums (vinyl, CD, computer rip, even 8-tracks). I have over 200 12" singles, many bought on original release dates. I have every US 45 most bought on day of release. I have spent thousands of dollars on Prince's music. I'd like to think my collection is pretty impressive for somebody who had no ties to Prince whatsoever.

Come on elite, throw me a bone once in a while. lol

Thank you for letting me rant. lol

Made my day! Thank you smile)

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Reply #61 posted 12/11/17 4:52am

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Se7en said:


Part of me actually prefers to get incremental releases like this. I know there was a huge data dump a few months ago - I didn't jump on that one.

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Yeah, that were BFTP 4 and BFTP 5. I don't see the difference between those and this.

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Reply #62 posted 12/11/17 5:05am

BlueShakooo

Hm...

The Elite-Collectors want to prevent the EYE people from making money out of Prince's music, because it's not theirs.

That's noble on hand.

But on the other hand it's a bit naive, isn't it?

Do they really think, that only good people (who deserve it) will make money out of Prince's OFFICIAL releases?

I don't really care if some bootleggers make money or if some sleazy Warner-People (and lawyers and whatever) do.

They are all just people anyway.

I think the EYE people deserve to make a few bucks right now just for making our community so happy these days.

So:

THANK YOU, EYE-PEOPLE!

YOU DID A GREAT JOB!

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Reply #63 posted 12/11/17 5:49am

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BlueShakooo said:

Hm...

The Elite-Collectors want to prevent the EYE people from making money out of Prince's music, because it's not theirs.

That's noble on hand.

But on the other hand it's a bit naive, isn't it?

Do they really think, that only good people (who deserve it) will make money out of Prince's OFFICIAL releases?

I don't really care if some bootleggers make money or if some sleazy Warner-People (and lawyers and whatever) do.

They are all just people anyway.

I think the EYE people deserve to make a few bucks right now just for making our community so happy these days.

So:

THANK YOU, EYE-PEOPLE!

YOU DID A GREAT JOB!


Some people will buy the pressed CD's, so Eye will always make money.

The 'rat' who sold the leaks to Eye would already have been paid when Eye announced that the release was going to happen. So the Closer 2 God leakers didn't stop a 'rat' making money and they didn't stop eye making money.

If the 'elites' want to stop people making money, the only thing they can do is stop part of it and that part is the 'rats' cut. They won't be able to stop Eye cashing in. The only way to stop the 'rats' is to just release all the stuff and then there's no value for the 'rats' to have.

But they don't want to do that because then Eye will press CD's and make money. Which means that all we can do is wait for the next 'rat' to want/need some cash and then will get some more goodness.


RIP sad
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Reply #64 posted 12/11/17 6:19am

BartVanHemelen

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BoraBora said:



That said, I find highly ironic that "to preserve Prince's legacy" even after his death there is some kind of "Justice League" keepin' for themselves an ocean of high quality unreleased P music, pretending to be respected because having them something P didn't want them to have and not sharing it only trading or selling it P from the heaven above will be happy and proud of them (wow, what a concept).


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So, you made up some ridiculous BS and then called it ridiculous.

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Reply #65 posted 12/11/17 6:24am

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djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs. I'm more upset at the so called elite collectors for keeping this stuff for decades from guys like me that have loved Prince for 30+ years.

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Be angry at Prince who let these songs rot in his archive for decades, and then couldn't even be bothered to properly fulfill the contractual obligation for Purple Rain Deluxe.

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Elite collectors would have next to nothing if Prince had properly curated his back catalogue.

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Reply #66 posted 12/11/17 6:34am

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i'm not one to openly complain about sound quality or who made what available when and what their motivation might have been...i couldn't care less about those things. all i know is i now have the opportunity, after very little effort and no exchange of currency, to have an unauthorized glimpse into the creative process and cache of unreleased music of my favorite musician. so thanks to everyone involved in making this stuff available.

what do these 'elite' collectors do, anyhow? sit around in a padlocked room in the dark by themselves and listen to this stuff wringing their hands repeating 'i'm elite, i'm elite...'? why not just release it and let people enjoy and discuss it. who cares who gets the money. it ain't gonna be prince. ever.

this set, and/or the 'closer to god...' set, make an excellent listening companion to duane tudahl's '...purple rain sessions' book, also...what a wonderful few weeks to be a prince fan!

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Reply #67 posted 12/11/17 7:13am

djThunderfunk

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peedub said:

i'm not one to openly complain about sound quality or who made what available when and what their motivation might have been...i couldn't care less about those things. all i know is i now have the opportunity, after very little effort and no exchange of currency, to have an unauthorized glimpse into the creative process and cache of unreleased music of my favorite musician. so thanks to everyone involved in making this stuff available.

what do these 'elite' collectors do, anyhow? sit around in a padlocked room in the dark by themselves and listen to this stuff wringing their hands repeating 'i'm elite, i'm elite...'? why not just release it and let people enjoy and discuss it. who cares who gets the money. it ain't gonna be prince. ever.

this set, and/or the 'closer to god...' set, make an excellent listening companion to duane tudahl's '...purple rain sessions' book, also...what a wonderful few weeks to be a prince fan!


Well said.

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Reply #68 posted 12/11/17 7:21am

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TheEnglishGent said:

BlueShakooo said:

Hm...

The Elite-Collectors want to prevent the EYE people from making money out of Prince's music, because it's not theirs.

That's noble on hand.

But on the other hand it's a bit naive, isn't it?

Do they really think, that only good people (who deserve it) will make money out of Prince's OFFICIAL releases?

I don't really care if some bootleggers make money or if some sleazy Warner-People (and lawyers and whatever) do.

They are all just people anyway.

I think the EYE people deserve to make a few bucks right now just for making our community so happy these days.

So:

THANK YOU, EYE-PEOPLE!

YOU DID A GREAT JOB!


Some people will buy the pressed CD's, so Eye will always make money.

The 'rat' who sold the leaks to Eye would already have been paid when Eye announced that the release was going to happen. So the Closer 2 God leakers didn't stop a 'rat' making money and they didn't stop eye making money.

If the 'elites' want to stop people making money, the only thing they can do is stop part of it and that part is the 'rats' cut. They won't be able to stop Eye cashing in. The only way to stop the 'rats' is to just release all the stuff and then there's no value for the 'rats' to have.

But they don't want to do that because then Eye will press CD's and make money. Which means that all we can do is wait for the next 'rat' to want/need some cash and then will get some more goodness.


Every1 in this world of trading, buying etc....stolen Music pieces of Prince's vault is a RAT...the Engineer/Musicians/Closer workers 4 Prince etc....who sold the stuff 2 a collector elites ...and among this Elite = another Rat who sold or traded again this stolen Music 2 another1...or Boot Labels (they are RATS too).....and some1 who has leaked the Stuff 2 the Purple Rats (Us fans) for FREE-FRU(STATION).....we are all of US .....RATS...BIG RATS....famished by the stolen musical cheese from Prince's VAULT.....YES WE ARE THE RATS of this world....me 2 and u2!!

[Edited 12/11/17 7:22am]

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Reply #69 posted 12/11/17 7:29am

RodeoSchro

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djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs. I'm more upset at the so called elite collectors for keeping this stuff for decades from guys like me that have loved Prince for 30+ years. Why am I not allowed to hear this stuff? Just because I'm not "elite"? Is it because I never worked with Prince? How does one become elite? Why does it take Eye Records to get them to release this stuff? Do they relize that releasing these things just before Eye Records makes me want to buy the Eye release even more? It's almost like a pre-advance single from the old days.

I have bought almost every Prince album on the day of release since "Around the world in a day". I bought every download from his multiple websites. I have multiple formats of his albums (vinyl, CD, computer rip, even 8-tracks). I have over 200 12" singles, many bought on original release dates. I have every US 45 most bought on day of release. I have spent thousands of dollars on Prince's music. I'd like to think my collection is pretty impressive for somebody who had no ties to Prince whatsoever.

Come on elite, throw me a bone once in a while. lol

Thank you for letting me rant. lol




Don't worry one second about what the "elite" traders have. The odds are extremely high that whatever they have doesn't contain something that is going to become your New Favorite Song For All Time.

Sure, there may be some catchy stuff that Prince did that you haven't heard before. But I can absolutely guarantee you that the "elite" traders aren't sitting on something better than "Purple Rain", "Adore", "1999" or whatever your Current Favorite Song For All Time is.

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Reply #70 posted 12/11/17 7:33am

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sulls said:

If The Kid is quite enjoyable. More of it to love! Those annoying changes in the album version are ironed out and the song plays more smoothly. But "Ain't nobody ba-a-aad like me" is cut.

"Holland. France. London. Dance".

[Edited 12/9/17 17:34pm]


Nice song, always liked it, would have liked it much better here as a Prince vocal.

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Reply #71 posted 12/11/17 7:52am

djThunderfunk

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djThunderfunk said:

Will someone be kind enough to point out the differences to me between the Alphabet St. we've had for years (I first got it on a bootleg called Cosmos) and this one on BFTP?


Bump!

Anyone have the answer to this?

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Reply #72 posted 12/11/17 7:55am

ideation99

In order to bring this coversation back to the BFTP 6.0 set, to my ears there are several trax that will now take the place of older ones. To me Screams of Passion sounds delightful. It's the best one I've heard and I think the EQ'd changes improved the overall texture of the song. I love this song and I'm thrilled to have it in this quality. I would say the same for all The Family songs included here. There's a definate improvement in the volume of the vocals for Mutiny to my ears too. The mix is a vast improvement here and the added treble is a welcomed improvement from my previous "best" copy. This is now my go to version for High Fashion as well (loved these songs for years). Nothing Compares is also perfection. But we all know that. These are the only songs I care about on the release. Usually the case with these BFTP Series, as I generally only care for a few trax to add to my collection.

Not to complian, but never understood why the leakers send out mp3's to compete with official boot set. Why not drop flac if your gonna do it? Then I can test the difference. Just my thought. Much love to ALL LEAKERS!! My outtake set thanks you all. I, for one, will always have an appetite for more.

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Reply #73 posted 12/11/17 7:56am

BoraBora

djThunderfunk said:

djThunderfunk said:

Will someone be kind enough to point out the differences to me between the Alphabet St. we've had for years (I first got it on a bootleg called Cosmos) and this one on BFTP?


Bump!

Anyone have the answer to this?



Listened only once without returning to the old leaked version before or after (so I could be wrong), but to me it sound like what we already have with more vocal overdubs and maybe some kind of sampling embellishement, nothing more.



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Reply #74 posted 12/11/17 8:09am

databank

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Since this is more a thread about Eye Records than about the boot itself, I'll clarify my thoughts on the subject.

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My occasional cursing of Eye Records has never been so much about them making profits from bootlegs. I'm old enough to have known a time when there was no other option than to buy them on physical formats and it was considered normal. It was illegal but so is it to buy drugs and I ain't gonna blame my dealer for selling me weed or ecstasy. If Eye Records can find a thousand fools who wanna buy bootlegs on CD in 2017, good for them, and if it allows the material to be out there because it's been sold, good for us. I won't go into all the dirty stuff going on behind the scenes between elite traders. In the end, I'm as happy as anyone else when new material finds its way to the internet, no matter how it happens.

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My problem with Eye is that they have no respect for the fans.

Instead of releasing proper quality compilations of new material, they insist of filling as many CD's as they can with, well... anything!

So we end-up with a mess of new leaks and sound quality upgrades mixed up with old outtakes with no improvement whatsoever (but not labeled as such); official releases (what is the Love 2 The 9's edit doing on there, when anyone could rip it from YT themselves? And if I'm not mistaken some songs used to end-up on a BFTP volume while still for sale on Tidal!); and, worst of the worst, the occasional fakes and fanmade mixes even find their way to Eye releases.

.

In the days when there were no online community, no leaks, no devoted fan labels such as 4DF releasing great quality bootlegs for free, when those records appeared mysteriously in your local record store and were usually pressed by labels that dealt in boots by all artists and didn't really know what the source material was, it was acceptable to sell messy compilations like that, with fakes and rehashes.

In our day and age, if fans of an artist are going to press and sell bootlegs, the least they could do would be to offer quality material. They wanna resell old outtakes: then they can make collections of old outtakes and label them as such. Same even with rare or out of print official material. And they should make sure not a single fake or fanmade mix finds its way to their CD's!

But no, instead, with every release it's a game of comparing the new version of each track with what you had before, to decide if this 7th version of a track is better than the 6th, or if it's just the same source again. Not to mention the fakes!

.

To get back to the dealer comparison, I ain't gonna blame my dealer for making profits from an illegal activity because I want the dope, but if he cuts my pills with detergent, I'm gonna make him a reputation!

.

When Eye Records stops doing an amateur's work and start showing some respect for both the fans and the source material, then I will have nothing to say against them.

[Edited 12/11/17 8:09am]

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Reply #75 posted 12/11/17 8:09am

BoraBora

peedub said:

i'm not one to openly complain about sound quality or who made what available when and what their motivation might have been...i couldn't care less about those things. all i know is i now have the opportunity, after very little effort and no exchange of currency, to have an unauthorized glimpse into the creative process and cache of unreleased music of my favorite musician. so thanks to everyone involved in making this stuff available.

what do these 'elite' collectors do, anyhow? sit around in a padlocked room in the dark by themselves and listen to this stuff wringing their hands repeating 'i'm elite, i'm elite...'? why not just release it and let people enjoy and discuss it. who cares who gets the money. it ain't gonna be prince. ever.

this set, and/or the 'closer to god...' set, make an excellent listening companion to duane tudahl's '...purple rain sessions' book, also...what a wonderful few weeks to be a prince fan!




Not only now that he is dead.

Can someone convince me that P in life was delighted to know that someone out there had in hand his version of "Nothing Compares 2 U"?!?!?!?

Did P in life ever received money from anyone for a single outtake circulating in the inner circle?!?!?

I don't think so.

And in this case, we have to find who's in the position to tell the others what's wrong and what's right.




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Reply #76 posted 12/11/17 8:14am

djdaffy1227

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BartVanHemelen said:

djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs. I'm more upset at the so called elite collectors for keeping this stuff for decades from guys like me that have loved Prince for 30+ years.

.

Be angry at Prince who let these songs rot in his archive for decades, and then couldn't even be bothered to properly fulfill the contractual obligation for Purple Rain Deluxe.

.

Elite collectors would have next to nothing if Prince had properly curated his back catalogue.


Touche

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Reply #77 posted 12/11/17 8:20am

djThunderfunk

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databank said:

Since this is more a thread about Eye Records than about the boot itself, I'll clarify my thoughts on the subject.

.

My occasional cursing of Eye Records has never been so much about them making profits from bootlegs. I'm old enough to have known a time when there was no other option than to buy them on physical formats and it was considered normal. It was illegal but so is it to buy drugs and I ain't gonna blame my dealer for selling me weed or ecstasy. If Eye Records can find a thousand fools who wanna buy bootlegs on CD in 2017, good for them, and if it allows the material to be out there because it's been sold, good for us. I won't go into all the dirty stuff going on behind the scenes between elite traders. In the end, I'm as happy as anyone else when new material finds its way to the internet, no matter how it happens.

.

My problem with Eye is that they have no respect for the fans.

Instead of releasing proper quality compilations of new material, they insist of filling as many CD's as they can with, well... anything!

So we end-up with a mess of new leaks and sound quality upgrades mixed up with old outtakes with no improvement whatsoever (but not labeled as such); official releases (what is the Love 2 The 9's edit doing on there, when anyone could rip it from YT themselves? And if I'm not mistaken some songs used to end-up on a BFTP volume while still for sale on Tidal!); and, worst of the worst, the occasional fakes and fanmade mixes even find their way to Eye releases.

.

In the days when there were no online community, no leaks, no devoted fan labels such as 4DF releasing great quality bootlegs for free, when those records appeared mysteriously in your local record store and were usually pressed by labels that dealt in boots by all artists and didn't really know what the source material was, it was acceptable to sell messy compilations like that, with fakes and rehashes.

In our day and age, if fans of an artist are going to press and sell bootlegs, the least they could do would be to offer quality material. They wanna resell old outtakes: then they can make collections of old outtakes and label them as such. Same even with rare or out of print official material. And they should make sure not a single fake or fanmade mix finds its way to their CD's!

But no, instead, with every release it's a game of comparing the new version of each track with what you had before, to decide if this 7th version of a track is better than the 6th, or if it's just the same source again. Not to mention the fakes!

.

To get back to the dealer comparison, I ain't gonna blame my dealer for making profits from an illegal activity because I want the dope, but if he cuts my pills with detergent, I'm gonna make him a reputation!

.

When Eye Records stops doing an amateur's work and start showing some respect for both the fans and the source material, then I will have nothing to say against them.

[Edited 12/11/17 8:09am]


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Reply #78 posted 12/11/17 8:22am

djThunderfunk

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BoraBora said:

djThunderfunk said:


Bump!

Anyone have the answer to this?



Listened only once without returning to the old leaked version before or after (so I could be wrong), but to me it sound like what we already have with more vocal overdubs and maybe some kind of sampling embellishement, nothing more.




So, this is an "Alternate Mix" of the track that has circulated for the last 20 years?

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Reply #79 posted 12/11/17 8:23am

databank

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RodeoSchro said:

djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs. I'm more upset at the so called elite collectors for keeping this stuff for decades from guys like me that have loved Prince for 30+ years. Why am I not allowed to hear this stuff? Just because I'm not "elite"? Is it because I never worked with Prince? How does one become elite? Why does it take Eye Records to get them to release this stuff? Do they relize that releasing these things just before Eye Records makes me want to buy the Eye release even more? It's almost like a pre-advance single from the old days.

I have bought almost every Prince album on the day of release since "Around the world in a day". I bought every download from his multiple websites. I have multiple formats of his albums (vinyl, CD, computer rip, even 8-tracks). I have over 200 12" singles, many bought on original release dates. I have every US 45 most bought on day of release. I have spent thousands of dollars on Prince's music. I'd like to think my collection is pretty impressive for somebody who had no ties to Prince whatsoever.

Come on elite, throw me a bone once in a while. lol

Thank you for letting me rant. lol




Don't worry one second about what the "elite" traders have. The odds are extremely high that whatever they have doesn't contain something that is going to become your New Favorite Song For All Time.

Sure, there may be some catchy stuff that Prince did that you haven't heard before. But I can absolutely guarantee you that the "elite" traders aren't sitting on something better than "Purple Rain", "Adore", "1999" or whatever your Current Favorite Song For All Time is.

Yet, recent stuff like The Flesh or that Katrina/Lisa jam session are among the most impressive material from Prince I've ever heard, and that's from someone who's been a fan for 28 years and heard pretty much everything that's out there, official or unofficial.

.

I'll admit that I'm hadly ever impressed by most of the new outtakes or alternate versions of official songs, or even the new soundboard shows: I listen to them every once in a while, I'm glad to have them, but most of the time they end-up lost in my outtakes folder after a few listens. After all those years, it's hard for some of us to be impressed. But there are gems. I tripped like crazy on Our Destiny when it leaked 5 years ago. I tripped like crazy on The Flesh. I'm tripping like crazy on that new Katrina/Lisa jam and a few other rehearsals we got those last few years (those jam sessions and rehearsals are my favorites in the end, because they show a side of Prince the official releases hardly ever covered). I certainly wouldn't mind more stuff like that.

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Of course to each their own, I trip on this one, you'll trip on that one. But there's interesting stuff. More is better.

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Reply #80 posted 12/11/17 8:25am

dayzofwyld

erik319 said:

djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs. I'm more upset at the so called elite collectors for keeping this stuff for decades from guys like me that have loved Prince for 30+ years. Why am I not allowed to hear this stuff? Just because I'm not "elite"? Is it because I never worked with Prince? How does one become elite? Why does it take Eye Records to get them to release this stuff? Do they relize that releasing these things just before Eye Records makes me want to buy the Eye release even more? It's almost like a pre-advance single from the old days.

I have bought almost every Prince album on the day of release since "Around the world in a day". I bought every download from his multiple websites. I have multiple formats of his albums (vinyl, CD, computer rip, even 8-tracks). I have over 200 12" singles, many bought on original release dates. I have every US 45 most bought on day of release. I have spent thousands of dollars on Prince's music. I'd like to think my collection is pretty impressive for somebody who had no ties to Prince whatsoever.

Come on elite, throw me a bone once in a while. lol

Thank you for letting me rant. lol

Every unreleased song (you know, the hundreds that are out there. Thousands if you include live tracks) are out there because collectors either bought them & released them for free, sold them to boot labels or shared with others who then leaked them. Instead of whining about what you don't have, why not be grateful for the huge amount you do have... and be happy that more will come in the future. Crying that you don't have everything & asking to be 'thrown a bone' after over a hundred new/better quality tracks have been released this year just sounds petulant & greedy.

Well said Erik!!!

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Reply #81 posted 12/11/17 8:28am

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databank said:

RodeoSchro said:




Don't worry one second about what the "elite" traders have. The odds are extremely high that whatever they have doesn't contain something that is going to become your New Favorite Song For All Time.

Sure, there may be some catchy stuff that Prince did that you haven't heard before. But I can absolutely guarantee you that the "elite" traders aren't sitting on something better than "Purple Rain", "Adore", "1999" or whatever your Current Favorite Song For All Time is.

Yet, recent stuff like The Flesh or that Katrina/Lisa jam session are among the most impressive material from Prince I've ever heard, and that's from someone who's been a fan for 28 years and heard pretty much everything that's out there, official or unofficial.

.

I'll admit that I'm hadly ever impressed by most of the new outtakes or alternate versions of official songs, or even the new soundboard shows: I listen to them every once in a while, I'm glad to have them, but most of the time they end-up lost in my outtakes folder after a few listens. After all those years, it's hard for some of us to be impressed. But there are gems. I tripped like crazy on Our Destiny when it leaked 5 years ago. I tripped like crazy on The Flesh. I'm tripping like crazy on that new Katrina/Lisa jam and a few other rehearsals we got those last few years (those jam sessions and rehearsals are my favorites in the end, because they show a side of Prince the official releases hardly ever covered). I certainly wouldn't mind more stuff like that.

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Of course to each their own, I trip on this one, you'll trip on that one. But there's interesting stuff. More is better.




No doubt that more is better. And no doubt there are great songs that were never released.

All I'm saying is that if for some reason the "elite" traders had never released their "elite" songs, we'd still be cool. In my case, nothing from Prince's unreleased catalogue is life-defining. I like some of that stuff a lot, but my favorite songs are still all official releases.

What would be life-changing for me are videos from the time I sang with Prince, and the times when my daughter sang with him. "Elite" traders don't have those.

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Reply #82 posted 12/11/17 8:29am

BoraBora

databank said:

Since this is more a thread about Eye Records than about the boot itself, I'll clarify my thoughts on the subject.

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My occasional cursing of Eye Records has never been so much about them making profits from bootlegs. I'm old enough to have known a time when there was no other option than to buy them on physical formats and it was considered normal. It was illegal but so is it to buy drugs and I ain't gonna blame my dealer for selling me weed or ecstasy. If Eye Records can find a thousand fools who wanna buy bootlegs on CD in 2017, good for them, and if it allows the material to be out there because it's been sold, good for us. I won't go into all the dirty stuff going on behind the scenes between elite traders. In the end, I'm as happy as anyone else when new material finds its way to the internet, no matter how it happens.

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My problem with Eye is that they have no respect for the fans.

Instead of releasing proper quality compilations of new material, they insist of filling as many CD's as they can with, well... anything!

So we end-up with a mess of new leaks and sound quality upgrades mixed up with old outtakes with no improvement whatsoever (but not labeled as such); official releases (what is the Love 2 The 9's edit doing on there, when anyone could rip it from YT themselves? And if I'm not mistaken some songs used to end-up on a BFTP volume while still for sale on Tidal!); and, worst of the worst, the occasional fakes and fanmade mixes even find their way to Eye releases.

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In the days when there were no online community, no leaks, no devoted fan labels such as 4DF releasing great quality bootlegs for free, when those records appeared mysteriously in your local record store and were usually pressed by labels that dealt in boots by all artists and didn't really know what the source material was, it was acceptable to sell messy compilations like that, with fakes and rehashes.

In our day and age, if fans of an artist are going to press and sell bootlegs, the least they could do would be to offer quality material. They wanna resell old outtakes: then they can make collections of old outtakes and label them as such. Same even with rare or out of print official material. And they should make sure not a single fake or fanmade mix finds its way to their CD's!

But no, instead, with every release it's a game of comparing the new version of each track with what you had before, to decide if this 7th version of a track is better than the 6th, or if it's just the same source again. Not to mention the fakes!

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To get back to the dealer comparison, I ain't gonna blame my dealer for making profits from an illegal activity because I want the dope, but if he cuts my pills with detergent, I'm gonna make him a reputation!

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When Eye Records stops doing an amateur's work and start showing some respect for both the fans and the source material, then I will have nothing to say against them.

[Edited 12/11/17 8:09am]



I can agree with many things you wrote, especially the inclusion of sporadic fanmade mix and/or more versions of the same tune maybe slightly updated in sound quality.

Anyway I think we are talking of something bigger than the Eye argument.

To me, Eye doesn't show respect for P fans the same of WEA releasing "The Very Best Of Prince", to give an example. This is the only P CD not in my collection, I ever refused to buy it, probably I will do it when it will be sold at some cents and it will not be unsealed.

But there are also many P fans that have invested $$$ for maybe 8 different 7" of the same single just because of different covers or even different fonts.

Fortunately I'm not on that trend, by the way.

It is a matter of being a collector. Talkin' about me only, as a collector I can stand to have on a 4CD release a "Cosmic Day" fake homemade edit if it is packed together with gems like "17 Days (Full Lenght)", "Nothing Compares 2 U", "Sticky Wicked", "18 & Over (Madhouse Version)" and all others.

Again, just my two cents.


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Reply #83 posted 12/11/17 8:41am

djdaffy1227

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databank said:

RodeoSchro said:




Don't worry one second about what the "elite" traders have. The odds are extremely high that whatever they have doesn't contain something that is going to become your New Favorite Song For All Time.

Sure, there may be some catchy stuff that Prince did that you haven't heard before. But I can absolutely guarantee you that the "elite" traders aren't sitting on something better than "Purple Rain", "Adore", "1999" or whatever your Current Favorite Song For All Time is.

Yet, recent stuff like The Flesh or that Katrina/Lisa jam session are among the most impressive material from Prince I've ever heard, and that's from someone who's been a fan for 28 years and heard pretty much everything that's out there, official or unofficial.

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I'll admit that I'm hadly ever impressed by most of the new outtakes or alternate versions of official songs, or even the new soundboard shows: I listen to them every once in a while, I'm glad to have them, but most of the time they end-up lost in my outtakes folder after a few listens. After all those years, it's hard for some of us to be impressed. But there are gems. I tripped like crazy on Our Destiny when it leaked 5 years ago. I tripped like crazy on The Flesh. I'm tripping like crazy on that new Katrina/Lisa jam and a few other rehearsals we got those last few years (those jam sessions and rehearsals are my favorites in the end, because they show a side of Prince the official releases hardly ever covered). I certainly wouldn't mind more stuff like that.

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Of course to each their own, I trip on this one, you'll trip on that one. But there's interesting stuff. More is better.



I knew I was putting myself out there with a little tounge in cheek, a little truth in my post. If I didn't get 15 unreleased versions of "Gangsta Glam" I'd still be fine. I don't care about sound boards and live shows (I'm rare on that account I know) but give me more studio tracks like "Wally", "Yah U know", "Yo mister" etc etc etc and I'll eat them up! Now, the full length version of "17 days" was one of the rare times I was really excited about an alternate version of a song. I know I'll never get another "Sometimes it snows in April" (my all time favorite Prince song) but I may get another "Wally", a track I've grown to love!

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Reply #84 posted 12/11/17 8:41am

databank

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BoraBora said:

databank said:

Since this is more a thread about Eye Records than about the boot itself, I'll clarify my thoughts on the subject.

.

My occasional cursing of Eye Records has never been so much about them making profits from bootlegs. I'm old enough to have known a time when there was no other option than to buy them on physical formats and it was considered normal. It was illegal but so is it to buy drugs and I ain't gonna blame my dealer for selling me weed or ecstasy. If Eye Records can find a thousand fools who wanna buy bootlegs on CD in 2017, good for them, and if it allows the material to be out there because it's been sold, good for us. I won't go into all the dirty stuff going on behind the scenes between elite traders. In the end, I'm as happy as anyone else when new material finds its way to the internet, no matter how it happens.

.

My problem with Eye is that they have no respect for the fans.

Instead of releasing proper quality compilations of new material, they insist of filling as many CD's as they can with, well... anything!

So we end-up with a mess of new leaks and sound quality upgrades mixed up with old outtakes with no improvement whatsoever (but not labeled as such); official releases (what is the Love 2 The 9's edit doing on there, when anyone could rip it from YT themselves? And if I'm not mistaken some songs used to end-up on a BFTP volume while still for sale on Tidal!); and, worst of the worst, the occasional fakes and fanmade mixes even find their way to Eye releases.

.

In the days when there were no online community, no leaks, no devoted fan labels such as 4DF releasing great quality bootlegs for free, when those records appeared mysteriously in your local record store and were usually pressed by labels that dealt in boots by all artists and didn't really know what the source material was, it was acceptable to sell messy compilations like that, with fakes and rehashes.

In our day and age, if fans of an artist are going to press and sell bootlegs, the least they could do would be to offer quality material. They wanna resell old outtakes: then they can make collections of old outtakes and label them as such. Same even with rare or out of print official material. And they should make sure not a single fake or fanmade mix finds its way to their CD's!

But no, instead, with every release it's a game of comparing the new version of each track with what you had before, to decide if this 7th version of a track is better than the 6th, or if it's just the same source again. Not to mention the fakes!

.

To get back to the dealer comparison, I ain't gonna blame my dealer for making profits from an illegal activity because I want the dope, but if he cuts my pills with detergent, I'm gonna make him a reputation!

.

When Eye Records stops doing an amateur's work and start showing some respect for both the fans and the source material, then I will have nothing to say against them.

[Edited 12/11/17 8:09am]



I can agree with many things you wrote, especially the inclusion of sporadic fanmade mix and/or more versions of the same tune maybe slightly updated in sound quality.

Anyway I think we are talking of something bigger than the Eye argument.

To me, Eye doesn't show respect for P fans the same of WEA releasing "The Very Best Of Prince", to give an example. This is the only P CD not in my collection, I ever refused to buy it, probably I will do it when it will be sold at some cents and it will not be unsealed.

But there are also many P fans that have invested $$$ for maybe 8 different 7" of the same single just because of different covers or even different fonts.

Fortunately I'm not on that trend, by the way.

It is a matter of being a collector. Talkin' about me only, as a collector I can stand to have on a 4CD release a "Cosmic Day" fake homemade edit if it is packed together with gems like "17 Days (Full Lenght)", "Nothing Compares 2 U", "Sticky Wicked", "18 & Over (Madhouse Version)" and all others.

Again, just my two cents.


I see your point with the comps and maxis. It's OK to curse at labels when they do shit too, I certainly cursed at WB for PR Deluxe lol

The difference, however, is that in one case the money benefits the artist and labels that will use some of it to support other artists. It's no excuse for releasing shitty products and we all know including one unreleased track in a greatest hits compilation is the industry's oldest rip-off. But then again that was then and this is now. Today you can choose to buy only the songs you want on iTunes or Amazon, so that should be an incentive for them to release better products.

As for collecting I was an avid collector of official releases back when I was buying physical records, but collecting bootlegs for the sake of having an object that's totally unofficial is something I never understood but hell, why not after all, sure.

Regardless, since Eye claim to be fans doing it for the fans, then they should respect the fans. Like they themselves said recently, we can all get their releases for free if we want to. However I'm tired of having dozens of duplicates to sort out in my folders just because they fill their releases with crap, and if I was collecting bootlegs on CD, I may buy them but I sure would be pissed as hell nonetheless. You should not have to have 4 CD releases of a fanmade edit of Cosmic Day. They don't have to make each release a 4 CD set, 2 CD's would be just as fine if all they have is 2 CD's. And they should be organised properly, too: the way the Flesh tracks were scattered among other, unreleated songs, that was a shame! If I had wanted to listen to The Flesh on CD, I would have found it infuriating!

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Reply #85 posted 12/11/17 8:50am

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databank said:

Since this is more a thread about Eye Records than about the boot itself, I'll clarify my thoughts on the subject.

.

My occasional cursing of Eye Records has never been so much about them making profits from bootlegs. I'm old enough to have known a time when there was no other option than to buy them on physical formats and it was considered normal. It was illegal but so is it to buy drugs and I ain't gonna blame my dealer for selling me weed or ecstasy. If Eye Records can find a thousand fools who wanna buy bootlegs on CD in 2017, good for them, and if it allows the material to be out there because it's been sold, good for us. I won't go into all the dirty stuff going on behind the scenes between elite traders. In the end, I'm as happy as anyone else when new material finds its way to the internet, no matter how it happens.

.

My problem with Eye is that they have no respect for the fans.

Instead of releasing proper quality compilations of new material, they insist of filling as many CD's as they can with, well... anything!

So we end-up with a mess of new leaks and sound quality upgrades mixed up with old outtakes with no improvement whatsoever (but not labeled as such); official releases (what is the Love 2 The 9's edit doing on there, when anyone could rip it from YT themselves? And if I'm not mistaken some songs used to end-up on a BFTP volume while still for sale on Tidal!); and, worst of the worst, the occasional fakes and fanmade mixes even find their way to Eye releases.

.

In the days when there were no online community, no leaks, no devoted fan labels such as 4DF releasing great quality bootlegs for free, when those records appeared mysteriously in your local record store and were usually pressed by labels that dealt in boots by all artists and didn't really know what the source material was, it was acceptable to sell messy compilations like that, with fakes and rehashes.

In our day and age, if fans of an artist are going to press and sell bootlegs, the least they could do would be to offer quality material. They wanna resell old outtakes: then they can make collections of old outtakes and label them as such. Same even with rare or out of print official material. And they should make sure not a single fake or fanmade mix finds its way to their CD's!

But no, instead, with every release it's a game of comparing the new version of each track with what you had before, to decide if this 7th version of a track is better than the 6th, or if it's just the same source again. Not to mention the fakes!

.

To get back to the dealer comparison, I ain't gonna blame my dealer for making profits from an illegal activity because I want the dope, but if he cuts my pills with detergent, I'm gonna make him a reputation!

.

When Eye Records stops doing an amateur's work and start showing some respect for both the fans and the source material, then I will have nothing to say against them.

[Edited 12/11/17 8:09am]

THIS. EVERY SINGLE WORD. EXACTLY. clapping This is why.

I grew up buying bootleg LPs and CDs. It's not about them making money. I don't knock the hustle. Databank nailed it, for me and I'm sure a lot of other folks who feel the same way. I don't disagree with anything above. It's as real as it gets. If we're going to keep playing the bootleg game, then let's quit fucking around. The man *is* dead - if there was ever a time to get it right, in regards to the hundreds of studio sessions out there, it's now.

[Edited 12/11/17 8:57am]

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Reply #86 posted 12/11/17 8:57am

highcalonic

I've just compared 17 Days and A Million Miles, the sound is really better on the Closer To God leak. More profound, more dynamic and bass than on the BFTP6 boot.

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Reply #87 posted 12/11/17 9:04am

BoraBora

databank said:

I see your point with the comps and maxis. It's OK to curse at labels when they do shit too, I certainly cursed at WB for PR Deluxe lol

The difference, however, is that in one case the money benefits the artist and labels that will use some of it to support other artists. It's no excuse for releasing shitty products and we all know including one unreleased track in a greatest hits compilation is the industry's oldest rip-off. But then again that was then and this is now. Today you can choose to buy only the songs you want on iTunes or Amazon, so that should be an incentive for them to release better products.

As for collecting I was an avid collector of official releases back when I was buying physical records, but collecting bootlegs for the sake of having an object that's totally unofficial is something I never understood but hell, why not after all, sure.

Regardless, since Eye claim to be fans doing it for the fans, then they should respect the fans. Like they themselves said recently, we can all get their releases for free if we want to. However I'm tired of having dozens of duplicates to sort out in my folders just because they fill their releases with crap, and if I was collecting bootlegs on CD, I may buy them but I sure would be pissed as hell nonetheless. You should not have to have 4 CD releases of a fanmade edit of Cosmic Day. They don't have to make each release a 4 CD set, 2 CD's would be just as fine if all they have is 2 CD's. And they should be organised properly, too: the way the Flesh tracks were scattered among other, unreleated songs, that was a shame! If I had wanted to listen to The Flesh on CD, I would have found it infuriating!



Again, I agree on a lot of things you are sayin'.

The sequencing of the BFTP tracklist is ever a mixed bag.

You cited the Flesh album divided in two different CD and you're right, even if it didn't upset me that much only because I already had the "Crystal Ball" Irukandji Records 2CD.

But the real shame they made with the split of "OldFriends 4 Sale" and "All My Dream" the only time they leaked finally segued on the updated version of "Charade". Come on!!!!

And by the way, I hate to remember that SAB released "Xpectation" years ago using the original glitched MP3 of "Xotica" instead of the fixed. Damn, check what file you are using before to press all!!!! Now they re-released it a new version, but why I have to buy it again simply to have the correct press?!?!?

To that extent, how not to agree with you?!?!?

But on the other side I love to take a CD out of my archive, put it in my CD player with headphones on and listen to the entire Flesh Session.


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Reply #88 posted 12/11/17 9:09am

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RodeoSchro said:

databank said:

Yet, recent stuff like The Flesh or that Katrina/Lisa jam session are among the most impressive material from Prince I've ever heard, and that's from someone who's been a fan for 28 years and heard pretty much everything that's out there, official or unofficial.

.

I'll admit that I'm hadly ever impressed by most of the new outtakes or alternate versions of official songs, or even the new soundboard shows: I listen to them every once in a while, I'm glad to have them, but most of the time they end-up lost in my outtakes folder after a few listens. After all those years, it's hard for some of us to be impressed. But there are gems. I tripped like crazy on Our Destiny when it leaked 5 years ago. I tripped like crazy on The Flesh. I'm tripping like crazy on that new Katrina/Lisa jam and a few other rehearsals we got those last few years (those jam sessions and rehearsals are my favorites in the end, because they show a side of Prince the official releases hardly ever covered). I certainly wouldn't mind more stuff like that.

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Of course to each their own, I trip on this one, you'll trip on that one. But there's interesting stuff. More is better.




No doubt that more is better. And no doubt there are great songs that were never released.

All I'm saying is that if for some reason the "elite" traders had never released their "elite" songs, we'd still be cool. In my case, nothing from Prince's unreleased catalogue is life-defining. I like some of that stuff a lot, but my favorite songs are still all official releases.

What would be life-changing for me are videos from the time I sang with Prince, and the times when my daughter sang with him. "Elite" traders don't have those.

Well, at 41 and after having listened to thousands of records by thousands of artists, I don't expect any new music to ever be life-changing or life-defining anymore anyway, I'm long past that. I listen to a lot of new music all the time, and there are things I totally love, but at this stage each and every new thing I hear reminds me of another thing I've heard before one way or another.

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Now some things may shed a new light on Prince. A song like Killing At The Soda Shop for example, surprised me a lot: I'm not crazy about it but it surprised me, I was like wow I never expected him to do anything like that. The Lisa rehearsal is also very impressive IMHO: Prince virtually created techno a few years before it was created in Detroit and Chicago... alone in his basement! And no one knew it, including those people who created techno soon after! That's thought provoking eek

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Now yeah it's not life changing... But maybe for those new kids that we see popping up on the Org all the time, discovering all the existing official records and boots now, one of those new leaks will be as defining as some of the oldest bootlegs were for us when we were their age, who knows wink God knows what the Lisa rehearsal would have done to me if I was 17 biggrin

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Reply #89 posted 12/11/17 9:14am

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In order to bring this coversation back to the BFTP 6.0 set, to my ears there are several trax that will now take the place of older ones. To me Screams of Passion sounds delightful. It's the best one I've heard and I think the EQ'd changes improved the overall texture of the song. I love this song and I'm thrilled to have it in this quality. I would say the same for all The Family songs included here. There's a definate improvement in the volume of the vocals for Mutiny to my ears too. The mix is a vast improvement here and the added treble is a welcomed improvement from my previous "best" copy. This is now my go to version for High Fashion as well (loved these songs for years). Nothing Compares is also perfection. But we all know that. These are the only songs I care about on the release. Usually the case with these BFTP Series, as I generally only care for a few trax to add to my collection.

Not to complian, but never understood why the leakers send out mp3's to compete with official boot set. Why not drop flac if your gonna do it? Then I can test the difference. Just my thought. Much love to ALL LEAKERS!! My outtake set thanks you all. I, for one, will always have an appetite for more.

Even in comparison to the Closer To God leaks?

Opinion seems to be split whether the 'mastering' by Eye has improved or ruined the tracks......

I'd love to hear more opinions on this.

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