erik319 said:

It's great to hear Purple Rain in its entirety, even though the extra verse doesn't flow with the "uplifting" vibe of the album version.

Nothing Compares 2 U is another gem, as are the Sister outtakes (among many others).

Part of me actually prefers to get incremental releases like this. I know there was a huge data dump a few months ago - I didn't jump on that one.

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Hypothetical point about these unofficial releases . . . Nothing Compares 2 U seems to have taken everyone by surprise. What if (again, hypothetically) Prince deleted his copy of it, or his copy was deteriorate beyond repair, and a good copy only existed in the elite collector world? In that case, these releases actually are serving a very good purpose to his legacy.

In the case of Moonbeam Levels, the record company used a bootleg version. Was that the best version available, or just available at the time due to Vault access/legal reasons?

Se7en said:

It's great to hear Purple Rain in its entirety, even though the extra verse doesn't flow with the "uplifting" vibe of the album version.

Nothing Compares 2 U is another gem, as are the Sister outtakes (among many others).

Part of me actually prefers to get incremental releases like this. I know there was a huge data dump a few months ago - I didn't jump on that one.

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Hypothetical point about these unofficial releases . . . Nothing Compares 2 U seems to have taken everyone by surprise. What if (again, hypothetically) Prince deleted his copy of it, or his copy was deteriorate beyond repair, and a good copy only existed in the elite collector world? In that case, these releases actually are serving a very good purpose to his legacy.

In the case of Moonbeam Levels, the record company used a bootleg version. Was that the best version available, or just available at the time due to Vault access/legal reasons?

Us FAns are really LUCKY.....this would take years 4 the Estate & heirs 2 release only 1% of this material ...so THANX ...WHOEVER !

It would seem that there's vinyl noise on the "Sex Mix" (probably should read "Sax Mix") of Damn U. Anyone out there know why? Was this taken from an acetate or something?

bluegangsta said:

The is Purple Rain verison was on a configuration from October, if I'm not mistaken. Hopefully we'll here some more from that tape in the future.

Just a few changes for ...3 TRAX (edit versions & some differences ) & a shorter configuration 4 the Album with other trax well known anyway from this ERA !!

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love2thenines2003 said:

sulls said:

djdaffy1227 said: RIGHT ON!!! I feel the same way!

No outtakes & Xclusive Material....from Collectors...they are not philanthropic & never will be ...thanx 2 this Labels...a lot of us will take advantage of all of this 4 FREE.....so 1000 THANX 2 EYESR or WHOEVER !!!

Really? You must have missed the countless exclusive material including improved live shows, unheard soundboard rehearsals and outtake collections that were given away for free over the years.

It is also the person who has paid eye records a lot of money for a copy of this and given it to you for free that you should be thanking.

Some thoughts while skimming through this and making some comparisons:

ITKCMYC - lovin' this extended cut so much, noticed a "glitch" at 2:55, wondering if it's from the source tape or intentional

Purple Rain - this is niiiice, I noticed the first 17 seconds or so of the album version are missing, so while it is the "extended version" it's not really the "Full Version", but still cool

Cosmic Day - I really have no idea what the fascination with this song is, in my not-so-humble opinion it's among the worst things I've ever heard from Prince, certainly the worst from the era (late 86) & the most over-rated & over-hyped, I really don't care if we ever get an excellent quality full-length copy or not except to make everybody else happy so I can stop hearing about it... feel free to tell me how wrong I am

Comparing these to the leaks on Closer 2 God, I prefer C2G over EYE's tweaks on this release.

Thanks again to all the leakers, bootleggers, & file sharers that played their part so this stuff could be pumpin' out of my speakers!!!

TheDigitalGardener said:

love2thenines2003 said:

No outtakes & Xclusive Material....from Collectors...they are not philanthropic & never will be ...thanx 2 this Labels...a lot of us will take advantage of all of this 4 FREE.....so 1000 THANX 2 EYESR or WHOEVER !!!

Really? You must have missed the countless exclusive material including improved live shows, unheard soundboard rehearsals and outtake collections that were given away for free over the years.

It is also the person who has paid eye records a lot of money for a copy of this and given it to you for free that you should be thanking.

Without question.

sulls said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

Really? You must have missed the countless exclusive material including improved live shows, unheard soundboard rehearsals and outtake collections that were given away for free over the years.

It is also the person who has paid eye records a lot of money for a copy of this and given it to you for free that you should be thanking.

Without question.

djdaffy1227 said:

At least Eye Records is willing to let the rest of us hear these wonderful songs.

Eye records are willing to sell you inferior, home tweaked, covered in NR songs.

Do they relize that releasing these things just before Eye Records makes me want to buy the Eye release even more? It's almost like a pre-advance single from the old days.

You're willing to waste your money on inferior product, have a ball. This is not like an advance single.

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erik319 said:

nah

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Will someone be kind enough to point out the differences to me between the Alphabet St. we've had for years (I first got it on a bootleg called Cosmos) and this one on BFTP?

Ooooh! I'm digging this version of 18 & Over. Sweeeeeet!!

Is this the Madhouse version?

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smokeverbs said:

mothyham said:

smokeverbs said:

Grabbed a copy, knowing full well that I needed only a couple of tracks from it. All I've got to say is thank you leakers, because "Closer To God" contained 98% of the exclusive stuff on 6.0 - and just about everything here has been tweaked and NR'd to death - last week's leaks are clearly better. For a quick illustration, listen to 17 Days on 6.0 -- it sounds like Shit. Now listen again to the leak we recieved last week. Night and Day difference. The experience is similar throughout this set, although that's probably the most dramatic example.

Beyond last week's leak, there's very little we haven't heard already as we get deeper into the set. We've already got the "Beginnings" copy of the D&P album. "Feel U Up" here is the same as released, but pointlessly edits out the sax solo. "18 & Over" is cool tho, this was from the Madhouse 26 sessions right?

At first listen, there's nothing here that isn't better on Closer To God.

Except, let's talk about "If The Kid Can't Make U Come". Granted this isn't the greatest Time song, but it IS part of Ice Cream Castle, and GodDAMN those crossfade edits have bugged me since '84! So it's Definitely cool to finally have the uncut version here, even in "Eye Records" quality. So thanks for that one, Eye.

And, the Penultimate Version of "Purple Rain". Now, like the above Time track, I'm sure this has been in the hands of the elite traders for a long time, but I'VE never heard it till now, and it's about damn time. There's the raw First Ave tape from the video soundtrack, there's the "test mix" that leaked out a few years ago with the string section turned up in the mix, but now, here's the long version, but closer to the mix quality of the LP version. The sound here is a bit thin, but the track is welcome just the same.

Yes kids, not only did the leakers scoop Eye with last week's link, essentially saying "don't give Eye your money, here it is for free", but they also gave us tapes that sound Loads better than the Eye copies. A lot of people seem to cry foul when we say "Fuck Eye Records". We don't say that for no reason.

Grab the three tracks that matter off this release and dump the rest.

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Do you not realize that closer to God was an advance copy of 6.0? Are you really that thick?

No it wasn't. Closer 2 God was leaked by somebody that had the tracks before EYE. That's why some sound different, they're the raw tracks from before EYE tweaked them and assembled BFTP 6.0. It wasn't an "advance copy" at all, it was a "beat the bootleggers to the punch" leak from a collector.

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TheDigitalGardener said:

mothyham said:

smokeverbs said:

Grabbed a copy, knowing full well that I needed only a couple of tracks from it. All I've got to say is thank you leakers, because "Closer To God" contained 98% of the exclusive stuff on 6.0 - and just about everything here has been tweaked and NR'd to death - last week's leaks are clearly better. For a quick illustration, listen to 17 Days on 6.0 -- it sounds like Shit. Now listen again to the leak we recieved last week. Night and Day difference. The experience is similar throughout this set, although that's probably the most dramatic example.

Beyond last week's leak, there's very little we haven't heard already as we get deeper into the set. We've already got the "Beginnings" copy of the D&P album. "Feel U Up" here is the same as released, but pointlessly edits out the sax solo. "18 & Over" is cool tho, this was from the Madhouse 26 sessions right?

At first listen, there's nothing here that isn't better on Closer To God.

Except, let's talk about "If The Kid Can't Make U Come". Granted this isn't the greatest Time song, but it IS part of Ice Cream Castle, and GodDAMN those crossfade edits have bugged me since '84! So it's Definitely cool to finally have the uncut version here, even in "Eye Records" quality. So thanks for that one, Eye.

And, the Penultimate Version of "Purple Rain". Now, like the above Time track, I'm sure this has been in the hands of the elite traders for a long time, but I'VE never heard it till now, and it's about damn time. There's the raw First Ave tape from the video soundtrack, there's the "test mix" that leaked out a few years ago with the string section turned up in the mix, but now, here's the long version, but closer to the mix quality of the LP version. The sound here is a bit thin, but the track is welcome just the same.

Yes kids, not only did the leakers scoop Eye with last week's link, essentially saying "don't give Eye your money, here it is for free", but they also gave us tapes that sound Loads better than the Eye copies. A lot of people seem to cry foul when we say "Fuck Eye Records". We don't say that for no reason.

Grab the three tracks that matter off this release and dump the rest.

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Do you not realize that closer to God was an advance copy of 6.0? Are you really that thick?

nice. especially since you are the one in the wrong

djThunderfunk said:

mothyham said:

smokeverbs said: Do you not realize that closer to God was an advance copy of 6.0? Are you really that thick?

No it wasn't. Closer 2 God was leaked by somebody that had the tracks before EYE. That's why some sound different, they're the raw tracks from before EYE tweaked them and assembled BFTP 6.0. It wasn't an "advance copy" at all, it was a "beat the bootleggers to the punch" leak from a collector.

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I haven't bought a bootleg since the 90's, and that was just when I found them on the shelves of my local record store, but my sense of things now is that most of the Eye (and Sabotage and other commercial labels) boots are sold via pre-order over the internet, with extremely small runs. If that's correct, then I'm kind of confused about the real point of these pre-release leaks. These "beat the bootleggers" releases by collectors come only after the commercial releases are announced, and after most if not all of the available copies have been purchased. So Eye still makes their money from the limited buying public (most of us get them for free thanks to generous folks), the people who sold to Eye already made their money, and the people who leak to the public have done something nice for us--their releases often sound better than what the labels release--but they've done nothing to "get back at" or "undercut" the commercial labels or what the profiteering collectors --in fact, it really does just build interest for the 2 or 3 tracks that aren't part of the leak (if the others sound this good, then even after the "work" the label did on them they're worth getting). Not that anyone buys them anyway who didn't already do it before the leak.

Am I missing something here?

EddieC said:

djThunderfunk said:

No it wasn't. Closer 2 God was leaked by somebody that had the tracks before EYE. That's why some sound different, they're the raw tracks from before EYE tweaked them and assembled BFTP 6.0. It wasn't an "advance copy" at all, it was a "beat the bootleggers to the punch" leak from a collector.

[Edited 12/10/17 10:42am]

I haven't bought a bootleg since the 90's, and that was just when I found them on the shelves of my local record store, but my sense of things now is that most of the Eye (and Sabotage and other commercial labels) boots are sold via pre-order over the internet, with extremely small runs. If that's correct, then I'm kind of confused about the real point of these pre-release leaks. These "beat the bootleggers" releases by collectors come only after the commercial releases are announced, and after most if not all of the available copies have been purchased. So Eye still makes their money from the limited buying public (most of us get them for free thanks to generous folks), the people who sold to Eye already made their money, and the people who leak to the public have done something nice for us--their releases often sound better than what the labels release--but they've done nothing to "get back at" or "undercut" the commercial labels or what the profiteering collectors --in fact, it really does just build interest for the 2 or 3 tracks that aren't part of the leak (if the others sound this good, then even after the "work" the label did on them they're worth getting). Not that anyone buys them anyway who didn't already do it before the leak.

Am I missing something here?

To quote Howard Stern: "You've said it all. "

I have to laugh when I read the bullshit on Eye Records' promo blurb such as "mastered by a team of sweaty sound experts in a professional studio". There's some shocking "mastering" on some of what I've listened to so far from this set.

Personally, I think Eye Records is a double-edged sword for Prince fans. The quality of the releases am sure could be made a lot better by a professional team who knew what they were doing.

djThunderfunk said:

NorthC said:

erik319 said:

Every unreleased song (you know, the hundreds that are out there. Thousands if you include live tracks) are out there because collectors either bought them & released them for free, sold them to boot labels or shared with others who then leaked them. Instead of whining about what you don't have, why not be grateful for the huge amount you do have... and be happy that more will come in the future. Crying that you don't have everything & asking to be 'thrown a bone' after over a hundred new/better quality tracks have been released this year just sounds petulant & greedy.

And all these so-called "elite" collectors only leak that stuff after it's been sold. Nobody sits on a bunch of Prince's (of any other artist's) unreleased stuff and says, "I'll just give it away to everybody!"

Yes they do. It's exactly what the free labels were doing for years. Where were you? So no, bootlegs haven't always been about the money, at least where the music of Prince is concerned.

TheDigitalGardener said:

In effect the sound of the BFTP Eye release (if it is right that) is weaker than the previous C2G leak ("17 Days" is the perfect example).


Maybe it is something wrong in the digital files process and the actual CDs will be different....


If not the things can be only 2:


a) This time at Eye they fucked up the remastering


b) Eye received from the bootleger they paid for a collection of files of lesser quality, and after all the manufacturing process the bootleger (or others of the "inner circle") leaked the better files.


To be honest I believe more in b) than a) (the other BFTP were not so compromised).


That said, I find highly ironic that "to preserve Prince's legacy" even after his death there is some kind of "Justice League" keepin' for themselves an ocean of high quality unreleased P music, pretending to be respected because having them something P didn't want them to have and not sharing it only trading or selling it P from the heaven above will be happy and proud of them (wow, what a concept).


Maybe Eye will make some money of the music they are buying from someone of the "Justice League" but probably the same "Justice League" is makin' some money selling to Eye instead to simply give for free as they preach.


The time we will see something like "17 Days (Full Lenght Version)" BEFORE Eye announce its release maybe someone will have a reason to talk of "for free" and "serious collectors are on your side, Eye is greedy and is against you". How it is working right now, dog is eating his tail.


Just my two cents.

Peace to Justice League, peace to Eye, peace to who like digital release and peace to who like actual CDs.

"Peace and B Wild", by the way.

BoraBora said:

I was never crazy about If the Kid Cant tbh (simulating sex on records is corny to me, except if its Prince ). S'allright