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Reply #60 posted 04/15/03 10:19am

AaronSuperior

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Moonbeam said:

What I find interesting is that the author of this thread dismissed everyone who preferred Prince's version as "blinded" and lacking objectivity. What kind of objectivity is it to dismiss the opinions of other because they are different? confuse



the kind that comes from a person that knows deep down that he is wrong, but somewhat likes the Ginuwine version, so he's exaggerating and trying to provoke a violent reaction from Prince fandom at large biggrin
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Reply #61 posted 04/15/03 10:21am

Moonbeam

AaronSuperior said:

Moonbeam said:

What I find interesting is that the author of this thread dismissed everyone who preferred Prince's version as "blinded" and lacking objectivity. What kind of objectivity is it to dismiss the opinions of other because they are different? confuse



the kind that comes from a person that knows deep down that he is wrong, but somewhat likes the Ginuwine version, so he's exaggerating and trying to provoke a violent reaction from Prince fandom at large biggrin


Your wisdom is great, Aaron. biggrin
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Reply #62 posted 04/15/03 10:35am

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so, let me sum up for the class.


you're wrong, it's not better than the original. in fact, it sucks nod

yes it sux...it sux major quantities of the sweatiest warthog booty known 2 mankind. nod
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Reply #63 posted 04/15/03 10:51am

EvilSkittle

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disbelief and i bet u like sisqo and mariah scarey's take on "the beautiful ones" as well...



That one's actually pretty good, but G's WDC is horrible.
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Reply #64 posted 04/15/03 11:28am

IAM

EvilSkittle said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

disbelief and i bet u like sisqo and mariah scarey's take on "the beautiful ones" as well...



That one's actually pretty good, but G's WDC is horrible.



oh my GOD. what do you like about that?
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Reply #65 posted 04/15/03 11:30am

Essence

Put down the needle, put down the spoon.
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Reply #66 posted 04/15/03 12:22pm

Frederick96

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I like Ginuwine but his version does not compare to Prince's.I thought Ginuwine's version was terrible!
That's just the truth. But it's a free country and u are entitled to your opinion
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Reply #67 posted 04/15/03 12:24pm

mistermaxxx

Wack Beyond Belief.Ginuwine is a Lucky Cat.because back in the day He would be so Lucky to be a Back-Up Dancer for Prince or MJ.but Singing? Hell NAW! even if it wasn't a Cover Song it sounds so Flat&Lacks any feeling IMHO.He should Leave Cover Versions alone&truth be told Singing as well.
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Reply #68 posted 04/15/03 12:30pm

JAMIESTARR

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I know what I'm about to say will be considered a form of blasphemy by many on the org, but having just downloaded Ginuwine's cover of When Doves Cry, I can honestly say, the impossible has been achieved: he's improved upon the original. The deep, layered vocals of the chorus add a whole new dimension to the track and the more slick and simplistic production helps the track be driven more on the merits of it's melody, rather than hidden behind outdated synths and cheap-sounding keyboards.

Anybody who hasn't heard this, I urge you to download it.

Lay off the crack pipe
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Reply #69 posted 04/15/03 12:35pm

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Essence said:

Put down the needle, put down the spoon.

The needle and the damage done.



This thread is pretty comical. biggrin
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #70 posted 04/15/03 1:22pm

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I really detest the Prince fan community, for reasons best depicted in this thread.

At this moment in time, I get more enjoyment out of hearing Ginuwine's take on the track, over Prince's. Is that such a big deal?

If you enjoy Prince's version better, I have no beef with that. But don't insult me simply because my opinion differs.

Somebody said that I was dismissing everybody who claimed Prince's was better. That is NOT the case. I merely felt that the over-defensive manner in which many fans approached this thread was indicative of over-zealous, obsessive fans.

I only downloaded Ginuwine's cover this morning and the track re-got me, in a way I haven't felt about the song for years. Being honest, I've probably forgotten somewhat the impact the original had on me when I first heard it. So perhaps my original comments were a little pre-mature. But you know what it's like when you're really diggin' a song...
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Reply #71 posted 04/15/03 1:32pm

Dawanda

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MattyJam said:



Prince fans need to get over their snobby elitism. It's getting in the way of their objectivity.


You as a Music Critic need to clean yo ears!

if it wasn't for Ginuwine's looks, he would have been dumped a long time ago...

how he even got to do a Prince cover in the first place is beyond me...
I Love Purple....
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Reply #72 posted 04/15/03 1:38pm

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editd to prevent deactivation heh
[This message was edited Tue Apr 15 14:00:36 PDT 2003 by rdhull]
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Reply #73 posted 04/15/03 1:42pm

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MattyJam said:

I know what I'm about to say will be considered a form of blasphemy by many on the org, but having just downloaded Ginuwine's cover of When Doves Cry, I can honestly say, the impossible has been achieved: he's improved upon the original. The deep, layered vocals of the chorus add a whole new dimension to the track and the more slick and simplistic production helps the track be driven more on the merits of it's melody, rather than hidden behind outdated synths and cheap-sounding keyboards.

Anybody who hasn't heard this, I urge you to download it.

This is probably a joke... If it isn't , this person needs to be run back into the hills where he came from
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Reply #74 posted 04/15/03 1:54pm

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WHAT THE censored???

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Reply #75 posted 04/15/03 2:49pm

crs350

Its so clear this brother has no taste in music.That song will never be recovered better than the way it is.
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Reply #76 posted 04/15/03 2:58pm

JAMIESTARR

MattyJam said:

I really detest the Prince fan community, for reasons best depicted in this thread.

At this moment in time, I get more enjoyment out of hearing Ginuwine's take on the track, over Prince's. Is that such a big deal?

If you enjoy Prince's version better, I have no beef with that. But don't insult me simply because my opinion differs.

Somebody said that I was dismissing everybody who claimed Prince's was better. That is NOT the case. I merely felt that the over-defensive manner in which many fans approached this thread was indicative of over-zealous, obsessive fans.

I only downloaded Ginuwine's cover this morning and the track re-got me, in a way I haven't felt about the song for years. Being honest, I've probably forgotten somewhat the impact the original had on me when I first heard it. So perhaps my original comments were a little pre-mature. But you know what it's like when you're really diggin' a song...
I detest people who are tone deaf
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Reply #77 posted 04/15/03 3:40pm

jn2

I really detest the Prince fan community we're a bunch of bastards, aren't we?
I like the Patti Smith version because it has a humility vibe and at least she didn't try to "improve" it
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Reply #78 posted 04/15/03 3:42pm

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i still says Ginuwine's version sucks
Positivity YES
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Reply #79 posted 04/15/03 3:46pm

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MattyJam said:

The melody has stood the test of time brilliantly. The production hasn't. The production sounds stale and cheap even by the standards of Parade - an album made only a few years later.

That doesn't bode well.



Annnd, what do YOU know about production?? That is the way the song was MEANT to sound.
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Reply #80 posted 04/15/03 3:58pm

fairlite

calldapplwondery83 said:

Song with drum machines HAVE to sound dated sometime, because technology evolves (but I don't consider that "dated", I don't really know how to say it, but WDC is just perfect for me).
Comparing this to Parade makes no sense IMO, because that album was much more "live" than PR (except for maybe Mountains, and that sounds just as "dated" as WDC).

Umm PR was 'LIVE' it was not recorded in a studio, only WDC was not.
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Reply #81 posted 04/15/03 4:06pm

CHAOSMAN87

R U KIDDING? EVERY COVER EYE HEARD OF "WHEN DOVES CRY" IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. ESPECILLY THAT COUNTRY SINGER THAT TRIED IT. BLEH.
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Reply #82 posted 04/15/03 4:13pm

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Sorry, listen again. There are good covers and bad covers..

this one is worse than bad, its distasteful
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Reply #83 posted 04/15/03 5:06pm

Moonbeam

MattyJam said:

At this moment in time, I get more enjoyment out of hearing Ginuwine's take on the track, over Prince's. Is that such a big deal?


Not at all. But you immediately jumped down people's backs for not agreeing with you.

Somebody said that I was dismissing everybody who claimed Prince's was better. That is NOT the case. I merely felt that the over-defensive manner in which many fans approached this thread was indicative of over-zealous, obsessive fans.


The first two posts were not overly defensive at all (omg and ! were the first posts), but you immediately "rolled your eyes at predictable and blinded Prince fanatics."

I only downloaded Ginuwine's cover this morning and the track re-got me, in a way I haven't felt about the song for years. Being honest, I've probably forgotten somewhat the impact the original had on me when I first heard it. So perhaps my original comments were a little pre-mature. But you know what it's like when you're really diggin' a song...


There's nothing wrong with liking it, even liking it more. It's just music- it's not so sacred that taste needs to be uniform. smile However, you immediately got on the defensive. That's all.
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Reply #84 posted 04/15/03 5:12pm

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OK I just finished listening to it. If I could slap you through the internet I would.
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Reply #85 posted 04/15/03 7:53pm

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MattyJam said:

I just love the way they've bought the melody more to the fore-front.

Prince fans need to get over their snobby elitism. It's getting in the way of their objectivity.



It's not called snobby elitism... it's called difference of opinion, everyone has with it and we should accept that... i'm only a casual Prince enthusiast but i still prefer his version of When Doves Cry over Genuwine's cover...
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Reply #86 posted 04/15/03 7:57pm

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OK I just finished listening to it. If I could slap you through the internet I would.

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Reply #87 posted 04/15/03 8:24pm

AaronSuperior

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MattyJam said:

I really detest the Prince fan community, for reasons best depicted in this thread.




I really love the Prince fan community, for reasons best depicted in this thread:


When somebody's ignorant, we call them on it and beat it out of them biggrin
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Reply #88 posted 04/15/03 8:25pm

AaronSuperior

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MattyJam said:

Somebody said that I was dismissing everybody who claimed Prince's was better. That is NOT the case. I merely felt that the over-defensive manner in which many fans approached this thread was indicative of over-zealous, obsessive fans.



hypocrite. that's exactly how YOU were acting, over-defensive.
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Reply #89 posted 04/15/03 8:26pm

Handclapsfinga
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AaronSuperior said:

I really love the Prince fan community, for reasons best depicted in this thread:


When somebody's ignorant, we call them on it and beat it out of them biggrin

woot! it's the org way, dammit!!! woot!
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