I know what I'm about to say will be considered a form of blasphemy by many on the org, but having just downloaded Ginuwine's cover of When Doves Cry, I can honestly say, the impossible has been achieved: he's improved upon the original. The deep, layered vocals of the chorus add a whole new dimension to the track and the more slick and simplistic production helps the track be driven more on the merits of it's melody, rather than hidden behind outdated synths and cheap-sounding keyboards.

Anybody who hasn't heard this, I urge you to download it.

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*Rolls his eyes at predictable and blinded Prince fanatics*

that was the worst coveri had ever heard. it was absolutly horrible. i'd rather take TLC's if i was your girlfriend!

and i bet u like sisqo and mariah scarey's take on "the beautiful ones" as well...

MattyJam said:

not a fanatic, just a sista who knows a horrible cover song when she hears it.

No, all the other Prince covers I've heard have been NASTY!

Including Janet Jackson's Control album!

MattyJam said:

now you're the one that's blinded, son.

I just love the way they've bought the melody more to the fore-front.

Prince fans need to get over their snobby elitism. It's getting in the way of their objectivity.

Stop being silly Jimmy

Have you even heard it?

You must be kiddin', an improvement upon the original, don´t make me laugh!

*searching the board for someone with an open mind and an ounce of objectivity*

MattyJam said:

Of course, I heard it when it came out.

What about the keyboard solo at the end, the fact that the lyrics are personal to Prince and his relationship with Susan, the classic Linn sound, the missing bassline that makes it so unique.

Some young R&B crooner can sing it fair enough, but he can't do it like the original.

MattyJam said:

a drum machine beat, big whoop. s'no betta than the original.


(mock snob voice) oh hush and hold my bootlegg collection, u ginuwine-loving pauper.

MattyJam said:

it got played 2 death when it first came out.

one of ginuwine's worst songs. (until his last 2 albums came out.)

VelvetSplash said:

At least you've argued your case rather than the others, who disregarded my comments, lost in the blindness of their own fandom.

I do love Prince's original, the melody is timeless... the production however, is not. It's dated sounding. Okay, so it was produced two decades ago, but that's not really any excuse. I have plenty of records in my collection older than When Doves Cry, which still sound fresh and slick to this very day.

That keyboard hook is nasty. That much cannot be disputed.

Well you know I don't like R&B flat beats and the R.Kelly era of Black music.

But you like cheesey, eighties synths?

VelvetSplash said:

ditto. that's exactly how i look at some of today contemporaries...it's nice, in a way, 2 see folks givin props 2 their elders and such, but in another way they end up mussin up the entire flow.

not pretty at all.

What's cheesy about them?

I'm listening to Vanity - Samuelle at the moment, and I think that is better than anything similar from the 90s, or today.

What's current is popular because it's current, not because it's better than what has previously been.

Synths, classic drum machines, lyrics about the night time and dancing - I love that - Pop music today is shite IMO - there's no willing to be an individual - it's all homogenised.

I don't dislike the production on When Doves Cry because it's old, or not in keeping with what's current. I dislike it because I think it cheapens what is otherwise a great song.

It's no "When Doves Scream", but what can you do.

VelvetSplash said:

that, and the entertainment industry keeps shovin stuff down folks's throats...


we have a winner. music's not music anymore.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then since it all boils down to taste

The melody has stood the test of time brilliantly. The production hasn't. The production sounds stale and cheap even by the standards of Parade - an album made only a few years later.

That doesn't bode well.

MattyJam said:

This thread is a "desparate cry for attention."

They'll be 50 more before the day is over..

He knows that this comparison makes absolutely no sense.

Even Timbaland and Ginuwine would give you a "Double-Mack Pimp-Slap" for saying their version was better!

Ginuwine has said that his "WDC" was not better, but different. He and Tim couldn't attempt to use the same beat and approach that Prince used...
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NGSPW7200 said:

yeah man. these threads get funnier as days go by.