cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

What does not surprise you allegations by the estate that change on a monthly basis. Allegations have to be proven and it is Comerica that is asking for more time to work on a settlement.

I dunno, you tell me? Backdating documents? Does that sound legit to you? Prince's estate obviously feels the suspicious contract needs investigation. I can't blame them.

http://uproxx.com/realtal...l-lawsuit/

But they Comerica are asking for more time to work on a settlement. If Comerica cannot put its hands on the original contract how are they going to prove it was backdated?

They will need someone who was a witness to the transaction to testify. Maybe Pheadra or the other atttorney that was involved can help by why work on a settlement if you have hard proof.

It is going to be hard to prove and it is about what you can prove. Comerica could be right about the backdating and the POA but they have to prove it and really we know Prince wanted to work with Tidal so does it not make more since to sit down and work something out.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

I dunno, you tell me? Backdating documents? Does that sound legit to you? Prince's estate obviously feels the suspicious contract needs investigation. I can't blame them.

http://uproxx.com/realtal...l-lawsuit/

But they Comerica are asking for more time to work on a settlement. If Comerica cannot put its hands on the original contract how are they going to prove it was backdated?

They will need someone who was a witness to the transaction to testify. Maybe Pheadra or the other atttorney that was involved can help by why work on a settlement if you have hard proof.

It is going to be hard to prove and it is about what you can prove. Comerica could be right about the backdating and the POA but they have to prove it and really we know Prince wanted to work with Tidal so does it not make more since to sit down and work something out.

They obviously feel it's suspicious enough to warrant an investigation. I hope they have the proof to back it up.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

What does not surprise you allegations by the estate that change on a monthly basis. Allegations have to be proven and it is Comerica that is asking for more time to work on a settlement.

I dunno, you tell me? Backdating documents? Does that sound legit to you? Prince's estate obviously feels the suspicious contract needs investigation. I can't blame them.

http://uproxx.com/realtal...l-lawsuit/

Thanks for the link Clover.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Reading the court docs Comerica does not have Pheadra on their side thus settlement talks.

Where does it say that?

Comerica is asking for emails from Tidal that Phaedra sent to Tidal prior to P's passing, and Tidal will not produce these documents.

Phaedra hasnt said anything in Court documents that we have witnessed.

From the link that Clover gave.

NPG Records, who initially sued Tidal in 2016, allege that an equity term sheet, the contract lays out the terms of Tidal’s agreement with Prince, “was fabricated and backdated to appear authentic.” Additionally, the lawsuit claims that Tidal took liberties with Prince’s music that wasn’t consistent with the language of the term sheet and that Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, Prince’s manager who negotiated with Tidal, is withholding documents from NPG along with Tidal and Roc Nation in a veritable “scam” to cheat Prince’s estate.

https://www.scribd.com/do...from_embed

The above is a Motion to Compel Documents/Discovery filed by Comerica in the Federal case.

Tidal has withheld numerous emails and/or redacted documents as November 10, 2017.

Comerica requested the Court to intervene.

Tidal admitted there was no shareholder agreement with Tidal and P.

[Edited 12/4/17 21:21pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Where does it say that?

Comerica is asking for emails from Tidal that Phaedra sent to Tidal prior to P's passing, and Tidal will not produce these documents.

Phaedra hasnt said anything in Court documents that we have witnessed.

—/I did not say Pheadra said anything in fact Comerica is complaining about what she is not saying and how she keeps going on about her indemnity when she got it already. Let us be honest Pheadra should have copies of all her correspondence with Tidal or be able to be a witness for what went on doing the negotiations nothing is stopping her from working with Comerica but she is not working with them. Also notice while no equity sheet exsist there is a term agreement and if that agreement does not include WB material why can’t Comerica go to court and that material removed? You realize that the lawsuit was filed a year ago and no material has come down from Tidal's platform. Many unanswered questions that hopefully if the court intervenes will be revealed. [Edited 12/5/17 6:49am]

Well, Tidal hasnt requested an injunction against the Estate for streaming Ps music on other streaming services either. It appears it was Phaedra that gave the go ahead to Tidal after P passed to stream the additional material.

Phaedra isnt a party to this lawsuit. Tidal is. As a party you have a duty to produce documents in your possession to the opposing party. Tidal has these documents in their possession and have to pony up.

This is basic Rules of Civil Procedure.

Tidal is playing games.

Phaedra appears to be worried about liability even though the Estate gave her a free pass as to personal liability. Her feelings are hurt that she was removed as Manager.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: —/I did not say Pheadra said anything in fact Comerica is complaining about what she is not saying and how she keeps going on about her indemnity when she got it already. Let us be honest Pheadra should have copies of all her correspondence with Tidal or be able to be a witness for what went on doing the negotiations nothing is stopping her from working with Comerica but she is not working with them. Also notice while no equity sheet exsist there is a term agreement and if that agreement does not include WB material why can’t Comerica go to court and that material removed? You realize that the lawsuit was filed a year ago and no material has come down from Tidal's platform. Many unanswered questions that hopefully if the court intervenes will be revealed. [Edited 12/5/17 6:49am]

Well, Tidal hasnt requested an injunction against the Estate for streaming Ps music on other streaming services either. It appears it was Phaedra that gave the go ahead to Tidal after P passed to stream the additional material.

Phaedra isnt a party to this lawsuit. Tidal is. As a party you have a duty to produce documents in your possession to the opposing party. Tidal has these documents in their possession and have to pony up.

This is basic Rules of Civil Procedure.

Tidal is playing games.

Phaedra appears to be worried about liability even though the Estate gave her a free pass as to personal liability. Her feelings are hurt that she was removed as Manager.

Tidal is not the one suffering from copyright infringement like Comerica claims the Prince estate is suffering from so why would they get an injuntion for copyright infringement they do not own the music. The only thing they can do is sue if a provision is in the contract that actually states that Prince's music would never appear on another streaming site and since Prince put Hit and Run on I-Tunes I believe it was left up to his discreation.

Phaedra is not a party to the suit but she can be a witness and provide docs to the estate but you do not see her helping for the most ridicuclous reason.

Also if no royalties are being paid by Tidal then all the more reason to go to court and have all the music taken off. Something is off here.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Well, Tidal hasnt requested an injunction against the Estate for streaming Ps music on other streaming services either. It appears it was Phaedra that gave the go ahead to Tidal after P passed to stream the additional material.

Phaedra isnt a party to this lawsuit. Tidal is. As a party you have a duty to produce documents in your possession to the opposing party. Tidal has these documents in their possession and have to pony up.

This is basic Rules of Civil Procedure.

Tidal is playing games.

Phaedra appears to be worried about liability even though the Estate gave her a free pass as to personal liability. Her feelings are hurt that she was removed as Manager.

Tidal is not the one suffering from copyright infringement like Comerica claims the Prince estate is suffering from so why would they get an injuntion for copyright infringement they do not own the music. The only thing they can do is sue if a provision is in the contract that actually states that Prince's music would never appear on another streaming site and since Prince put Hit and Run on I-Tunes I believe it was left up to his discreation.

Phaedra is not a party to the suit but she can be a witness and provide docs to the estate but you do not see her helping for the most ridicuclous reason.

Also if no royalties are being paid by Tidal then all the more reason to go to court and have all the music taken off. Something is off here.

I will say it one more time.

There are Rules to abide by in a lawsuit.

They are called the Rules of Civil Procedure.

Comerica doesnt need to go chasing Phaedra around for documents.

It is the DUTY of Tidal to provide the documents that were formally requested by Comerica pursuant to the Rules of Civil Procedure.

Tidal doesnt get to make up their own Rules.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Tidal is not the one suffering from copyright infringement like Comerica claims the Prince estate is suffering from so why would they get an injuntion for copyright infringement they do not own the music. The only thing they can do is sue if a provision is in the contract that actually states that Prince's music would never appear on another streaming site and since Prince put Hit and Run on I-Tunes I believe it was left up to his discreation.

Phaedra is not a party to the suit but she can be a witness and provide docs to the estate but you do not see her helping for the most ridicuclous reason.

Also if no royalties are being paid by Tidal then all the more reason to go to court and have all the music taken off. Something is off here.

I will say it one more time.

There are Rules to abide by in a lawsuit.

They are called the Rules of Civil Procedure.

Comerica doesnt need to go chasing Phaedra around for documents.

It is the DUTY of Tidal to provide the documents that were formally requested by Comerica pursuant to the Rules of Civil Procedure.

Tidal doesnt get to make up their own Rules.

That is all fine but it does not answer my question as to why Comerica has not filed an injuction for copyright infringement. That has nothing to do with what Tidal is doing. One of the responsibilities Comerica has is to protect the estate from copyright infringement and to monitize the estate they are now saying no royalties are being paid.

The estate is therefore losing money everyday that material is streamed and not paid for. It would seem to me that the material should have come off of the platform as long as a year ago.

Not so sure I believe no royalties are being paid or that Tidal never paid the additional $750k.

Also some sort of agreement exsist per the discussion of the term sheet and the thousands of pages of e-mails that Comerica is trying to obtain. Do you think Pheadra and Tidal represenatives were discussing receipes in those e-mails?

I do not think Tidal is making up their own rules they are just not making it easy. Remember Prince came to them for steaming services not the other why around. All the dragging this out by Tidal could be stopped if Comerica just had the music removed as the profit motive would be gone for Tidal.

[Edited 12/5/17 9:29am]

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

Strive, these quotes plays into the Prince myth and I’m willing to bet P himself allowed this myth to be perpetuated. However, in reality I can’t imagine Prince entering into any agreement without complete documentation giving him total control of his likeness and sound, including allowing for legal recourse if that ‘agreement’ was not honored. These quotes make nice stories but there is a lot of wiggle room in a newspaper quote/story. Maybe our legal experts can comment and give their opinion. Just my opinion. Peace ~~DD55

The agreement would not make Tidal in control of his likeness as Prince did advertising for last shows and he was using his likenes. If anything the agreement would not have allowed Prince to promote another streaming service which would make sense. Remember he had "Hit and Run" on I-Tunes but we did not see any advertisement for it or Prince so much as sending out a press release.

With AGE live if he decided not to show up for the shows he was not going to get paid and he had no rep for not showing up for concerts.

Prince had more to lose then AGE. I still cannot see Tidal giving away 3 million without some agreement. I also have yet to see anyone answer my question.

If Tidal did not have a signed contract to stream those songs how come Comerica has not been able to get an injunction to get the songs off of the platform?

Do you realize as of last week Comerica's lawsuit was filled a year ago?

How could Comerica have filed the lawsuit a year ago when it didn't become the Special Administrator until February 2017?

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said: Comerica could not have filed the lawsuit a year ago because Comerica has only been the Special Administrator since February.

It was Bremer who was representing the estate at the time. It was Nov 16 2016 per the court doc. Comercica continued on with the suit when they took over. Your point is what? Breamer or Comerica has not been able to get these songs off of Tidal and now they are working on a settlement.

My point is about being factually correct. The PRN estate is very complex and in order to be able to have respectful, purposeful dialogue about it without there being confusion, the facts that orgers share on threads about the PRN estate need to be accurate. Bremer (not Breamer) filed the lawsuit, not Comerica; Comerica inherited and has continued the lawsuit.

PennyPurple said:

From the link that Clover gave.

NPG Records, who initially sued Tidal in 2016, allege that an equity term sheet, the contract lays out the terms of Tidal’s agreement with Prince, “was fabricated and backdated to appear authentic.” Additionally, the lawsuit claims that Tidal took liberties with Prince’s music that wasn’t consistent with the language of the term sheet and that Phaedra Ellis-Lamkins, Prince’s manager who negotiated with Tidal, is withholding documents from NPG along with Tidal and Roc Nation in a veritable “scam” to cheat Prince’s estate.

When NPG Records sued Tidal in 2016, was NPG under the control of the PRN Estate and Bremer at that time or was it a separate, independent entity? Is Comerica in control of NPG Records right now?

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I will say it one more time.

There are Rules to abide by in a lawsuit.

They are called the Rules of Civil Procedure.

Comerica doesnt need to go chasing Phaedra around for documents.

It is the DUTY of Tidal to provide the documents that were formally requested by Comerica pursuant to the Rules of Civil Procedure.

Tidal doesnt get to make up their own Rules.

That is all fine but it does not answer my question as to why Comerica has not filed an injuction for copyright infringement. That has nothing to do with what Tidal is doing. One of the responsibilities Comerica has is to protect the estate from copyright infringement and to monitize the estate they are now saying no royalties are being paid.

The estate is therefore losing money everyday that material is streamed and not paid for. It would seem to me that the material should have come off of the platform as long as a year ago.

Not so sure I believe no royalties are being paid or that Tidal never paid the additional $750k.

Also some sort of agreement exsist per the discussion of the term sheet and the thousands of pages of e-mails that Comerica is trying to obtain. Do you think Pheadra and Tidal represenatives were discussing receipes in those e-mails?

I do not think Tidal is making up their own rules they are just not making it easy. Remember Prince came to them for steaming services not the other why around. All the dragging this out by Tidal could be stopped if Comerica just had the music removed as the profit motive would be gone for Tidal.

[Edited 12/5/17 9:29am]

Is it possible that maybe Comerica did not file an injunction against Tidal regarding Prince's music because the PRN Estate is earning revenue from streaming of Prince's material on Tidal?

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

From the link that Clover gave.

When NPG Records sued Tidal in 2016, was NPG under the control of the PRN Estate and Bremer at that time or was it a separate, independent entity? Is Comerica in control of NPG Records right now?

Bremer was in charge at that time and Comerica is in charge now.

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

The agreement would not make Tidal in control of his likeness as Prince did advertising for last shows and he was using his likenes. If anything the agreement would not have allowed Prince to promote another streaming service which would make sense. Remember he had "Hit and Run" on I-Tunes but we did not see any advertisement for it or Prince so much as sending out a press release.

With AGE live if he decided not to show up for the shows he was not going to get paid and he had no rep for not showing up for concerts.

Prince had more to lose then AGE. I still cannot see Tidal giving away 3 million without some agreement. I also have yet to see anyone answer my question.

If Tidal did not have a signed contract to stream those songs how come Comerica has not been able to get an injunction to get the songs off of the platform?

Do you realize as of last week Comerica's lawsuit was filled a year ago?

How could Comerica have filed the lawsuit a year ago when it didn't become the Special Administrator until February 2017?

Okay one more time. Breamer filled the suit because they were in charge at the time. Now Comerica is in charge. Comerica is representing the estate and therefore is capable of getting an injuction to have the material removed since they are in charge now.

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

That is all fine but it does not answer my question as to why Comerica has not filed an injuction for copyright infringement. That has nothing to do with what Tidal is doing. One of the responsibilities Comerica has is to protect the estate from copyright infringement and to monitize the estate they are now saying no royalties are being paid.

The estate is therefore losing money everyday that material is streamed and not paid for. It would seem to me that the material should have come off of the platform as long as a year ago.

Not so sure I believe no royalties are being paid or that Tidal never paid the additional $750k.

Also some sort of agreement exsist per the discussion of the term sheet and the thousands of pages of e-mails that Comerica is trying to obtain. Do you think Pheadra and Tidal represenatives were discussing receipes in those e-mails?

I do not think Tidal is making up their own rules they are just not making it easy. Remember Prince came to them for steaming services not the other why around. All the dragging this out by Tidal could be stopped if Comerica just had the music removed as the profit motive would be gone for Tidal.

[Edited 12/5/17 9:29am]

Is it possible that maybe Comerica did not file an injunction against Tidal regarding Prince's music because the PRN Estate is earning revenue from streaming of Prince's material on Tidal?

Could be as it is revenue and we have no doubt that Prince wanted to work with Tidal. As long as money is coming who cares what platform it is on.

Tidal is broke.

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