Both sides have a good argument and that is why they are in litigation.

It was all cool while P was alive because the music he was giving to Tidal was

more than the Contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement stipulated.

Tidal uses the terms "course of dealing" which means a "Gentlemen's

Agreement" between Jay-z and P.

But P is no longer with us to give a verbal ok to Jay-z to stream additional music

so therein lies the problem.

Comerica is saying the contract does not allow for full access to Tidal.

[Edited 11/14/17 17:09pm]

laurarichardson said:

paisleypark4 said:

Madhouse 24, 16, 8, the Family Vanity 6 are all on Itunes, Spotify and Tidal not by the estates or Tidal's doing.

Tidal recently however deleted that 24 bootleg.

I contacted the estate about these titles so I am pretty sure they all will going soon.

Did you contact the estate about Sheila too?

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

I contacted the estate about these titles so I am pretty sure they all will going soon.

Did you contact the estate about Sheila too?

I could but I told you before she placed the butterfly over the symbol and looking at the images Prince trademarked I do not think she is violating his trademark. All you have to do is make a variation on the design. Don't you think Sheila E can afford an attorney to advise her?

Don't you know that no amount of legal advice helps a bootlegger since they have no rights to the music they are stealing. Or do you think whoever put up 24 was sending the revenue to the Estate?

All this sounds so complicated. I'm staying neutral, and just think this all is simply a misunderstanding, hopeful one that won't screw the fans when it's all settled.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Both sides have a good argument and that is why they are in litigation.

It was all cool while P was alive because the music he was giving to Tidal was

more than the Contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement stipulated.

Tidal uses the terms "course of dealing" which means a "Gentlement's

Agreement" between Jay-z and P.

But P is no longer with us to give a verbal ok to Jay-z to stream additional music

so therein lies the problem.

Comerica is saying the contract does not allow for full access to Tidal.

that pretty much sums it up

IstenSzek said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Both sides have a good argument and that is why they are in litigation.

It was all cool while P was alive because the music he was giving to Tidal was

more than the Contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement stipulated.

Tidal uses the terms "course of dealing" which means a "Gentlement's

Agreement" between Jay-z and P.

But P is no longer with us to give a verbal ok to Jay-z to stream additional music

so therein lies the problem.

Comerica is saying the contract does not allow for full access to Tidal.

that pretty much sums it up

We will see but I still say if all this massive copyright infringment were going on that material could have been removed. Tidal has claim to more then just Hit and Run and I think we know how wrong this all is on an ethical level and even money wise. What company would shell out money and then give back the deliverables before the deal ends?

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Did you contact the estate about Sheila too?

I could but I told you before she placed the butterfly over the symbol and looking at the images Prince trademarked I do not think she is violating his trademark. All you have to do is make a variation on the design. Don't you think Sheila E can afford an attorney to advise her?

Don't you know that no amount of legal advice helps a bootlegger since they have no rights to the music they are stealing. Or do you think whoever put up 24 was sending the revenue to the Estate?

And no amount of legal advice helps anybody who is infringing on a copyright or trademark either.

Prince hated contracts, and probably just had a verbal agreement. Prince was known for getting what he wanted, just because he was Prince. And a prince can get whatever he wants. This is a problem when he's not here to tell us what the agreement was/is. In my opinion, Jay Z has to accept that this agreement is worthless now, and let this be a lesson for future agreements. An agreement has to be in black and white... and SIGNED.

Replica said:

Prince hated contracts, and probably just had a verbal agreement. Prince was known for getting what he wanted, just because he was Prince. And a prince can get whatever he wants. This is a problem when he's not here to tell us what the agreement was/is. In my opinion, Jay Z has to accept that this agreement is worthless now, and let this be a lesson for future agreements. An agreement has to be in black and white... and SIGNED.

What are you even going on about? You have know what he hated. Prince had real estate which requires signing a contract, a book deal, and even employment contracts. Stop believeing everything you read in the gossip rags.

I think a lot of people forgot about the Power Of Attorney that Tidal is saying they have for these documents or that Phedra appears to be siding with Tidal. If the POA and the contract were backdated that would imply that some sort of conspiracy between Tidal, Pheadra, and the Bay area attorney was going on from the minute Prince passed.

[Edited 11/14/17 11:54am]

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

I could but I told you before she placed the butterfly over the symbol and looking at the images Prince trademarked I do not think she is violating his trademark. All you have to do is make a variation on the design. Don't you think Sheila E can afford an attorney to advise her?

Don't you know that no amount of legal advice helps a bootlegger since they have no rights to the music they are stealing. Or do you think whoever put up 24 was sending the revenue to the Estate?

And no amount of legal advice helps anybody who is infringing on a copyright or trademark either.

What do you mean. If I wanted to come up with a logo that was similar to another logo. I would contact an attorney who specialized in Patents and trademarks and get their advice on the design.

You would get advice before hand. Sheila said in her book that Santana called her the black butterfly so I take this logo to be the symbol and the butterfly intertwined together.

If you make a bootlegg of someone's music and steal royalties you are correct legal advice is not going to help but if you think you know best why don't you contact Comerica about Sheila E. Maybe they will give Sheila back her drums.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

And no amount of legal advice helps anybody who is infringing on a copyright or trademark either.

What do you mean. If I wanted to come up with a logo that was similar to another logo. I would contact an attorney who specialized in Patents and trademarks and get their advice on the design.

You would get advice before hand. Sheila said in her book that Santana called her the black butterfly so I take this logo to be the symbol and the butterfly intertwined together.

If you make a bootlegg of someone's music and steal royalties you are correct legal advice is not going to help but if you think you know best why don't you contact Comerica about Sheila E. Maybe they will give Sheila back her drums.

Why are you so hateful with everyone? Seriously stop being so rude. For Christ's sake did you not see the wink in my post.

You are the one turning everybody in to the Estate.

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Both sides have a good argument and that is why they are in litigation.

It was all cool while P was alive because the music he was giving to Tidal was

more than the Contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement stipulated.

Tidal uses the terms "course of dealing" which means a "Gentlement's

Agreement" between Jay-z and P.

But P is no longer with us to give a verbal ok to Jay-z to stream additional music

so therein lies the problem.

Comerica is saying the contract does not allow for full access to Tidal.

Thank you. In the absence of a valid contract that agreement ended when Prince passed.

Stop being rational why don't 'cha.....

Replica said:

Prince hated contracts, and probably just had a verbal agreement. Prince was known for getting what he wanted, just because he was Prince. And a prince can get whatever he wants. This is a problem when he's not here to tell us what the agreement was/is. In my opinion, Jay Z has to accept that this agreement is worthless now, and let this be a lesson for future agreements. An agreement has to be in black and white... and SIGNED.

laurarichardson said:

—The Sprint/ Tidal deal is a partnership. Nothing is being sold

Yeah?


I'll quote Bart : Stop making shit up.

Please see the press release from Sprint below. I will even put up the headline for you. Sprint views this as a partership because when you have a 33% stake in something you are not an owner. Stop getting things from the media and go directly to the source.

Sprint and TIDAL Partnership Brings Exclusive Music and Entertainment to New and Current Sprint Customers with a Complimentary Six-Month Trial of TIDAL HiFi

http://investors.sprint.com/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/Sprint-and-TIDAL-Partnership-Brings-Exclusive-Music-and-Entertainment-to-New-and-Current-Sprint-Customers-with-a-Complimentary-Six-Month-Trial-of-TIDAL-HiFi/default.aspx

In addition, the TIDAL and Sprint partnership will support the 1Million Project, an initiative from Sprint and the Sprint Foundation that will connect 1 million low-income U.S. high school students who don’t have internet access at home, to help level the playing field and eliminate the “homework gap.” Participating students will receive free mobile devices and free high-speed wireless internet connectivity while in high school for up to four years.

Starting June 9, Sprint will donate $2 from every new line activation with a device purchase or lease – up to $1 million – to support the 1Million Project.⁴ For more information about Sprint’s initiative to equip high school students with the tools they need to succeed, visit sprint.com/1millionproject.

“Education is key to a bright future, and unfortunately not everyone has access to the tools and resources needed to succeed, including internet access and mobile devices,” said TIDAL artist-owner, Nicki Minaj. “I’m so proud to work with Sprint and TIDAL, who are prioritizing programs like the 1Million Project in order to ensure that a student’s zip code and family financial situation aren’t roadblocks to a successful future.”

As Sprint and TIDAL continue to deliver an unparalleled entertainment experience, Sprint customers can expect to enjoy more exclusive content from their favorite artists during the next few months. Among the highly anticipated content are special exclusives for Sprint customers and existing TIDAL members. Music fans are encouraged to sign up now.

Following this year’s announcement that Sprint acquired 33 percent of TIDAL as a result of a game-changing partnership, the platforms have collaborated on unique opportunities such as the pop-concert series with the renowned “King Of Bachata,” Romeo Santos.

More than just a music-streaming service, TIDAL is committed to connecting fans with their favorite musicians. The platform provides members on-demand access to more than 48.5 million music tracks, 175,000 videos, carefully curated playlists by industry experts and artists, exclusive content, livestreams, videos, concert tickets and unique fan experiences.

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

—The Sprint/ Tidal deal is a partnership. Nothing is being sold

Yeah?


I'll quote Bart : Stop making shit up.

babynoz said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Both sides have a good argument and that is why they are in litigation.

It was all cool while P was alive because the music he was giving to Tidal was

more than the Contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement stipulated.

Tidal uses the terms "course of dealing" which means a "Gentlement's

Agreement" between Jay-z and P.

But P is no longer with us to give a verbal ok to Jay-z to stream additional music

so therein lies the problem.

Comerica is saying the contract does not allow for full access to Tidal.

Thank you. In the absence of a valid contract that agreement ended when Prince passed.

Stop being rational why don't 'cha.....

It is what you can prove in court. Allegations mean nothing.

IstenSzek said:

Neversin said:

When "The Chocolate Invasion", "The Slaughterhouse" and "Xpectation" were posted (back when Prince was still alive) I did a comparison of the Tidal streams with the promo/testpressing CDr's...
I can't remember which albums (either "The Chocolate Invasion" or "The Slaughterhouse") were lossless, but I figured they came from the 7 disc promo/testpressing set... But they didn't... The timings were off for straight rips so my guess is that Prince provided these albums for streaming on Tidal from a different source than said CDr's...

Neversin.

[Edited 11/12/17 8:11am]

wait, what? so promo/testpressing copies were made of that 7 disc boxset and they
are 'out there?' or at least in so far as someone noted down the exact timings? this
is the first i've heard about that. that would be interesting to know more about. not
who where or what, i don't care, that's people privacy. it would just be cool if we'd
eventually be able to see photos and such of the testset.

It's nothing special, they're just "official" white sleeved (photocopied) NPG Records CDr's from Paisley Park (like the "Xenophobia" CDr and the "One Night Alone Live" CDr "sampler" that was sent to radio stations to promote the live set...)
They're, obvious when compared to the NPGMC rips, lossless and the tracklisting is the same as on Tidal, but again, different timestamps to be straight rips from this set...
The comparison of "The War" from the set with the official 1 track CD showed it was 100% exactly, to the millisecond, the same...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

IstenSzek said:

wait, what? so promo/testpressing copies were made of that 7 disc boxset and they
are 'out there?' or at least in so far as someone noted down the exact timings? this
is the first i've heard about that. that would be interesting to know more about. not
who where or what, i don't care, that's people privacy. it would just be cool if we'd
eventually be able to see photos and such of the testset.

It's nothing special, they're just "official" white sleeved (photocopied) NPG Records CDr's from Paisley Park (like the "Xenophobia" CDr and the "One Night Alone Live" CDr "sampler" that was sent to radio stations to promote the live set...)
They're, obvious when compared to the NPGMC rips, lossless and the tracklisting is the same as on Tidal, but again, different timestamps to be straight rips from this set...
The comparison of "The War" from the set with the official 1 track CD showed it was 100% exactly, to the millisecond, the same...

Neversin.

cool! thanks neversin.

Militant said:

http://www.startribune.co...456728283/

Yeah.... I called this months ago, and got attacked by a small minority of people who, as per usual, had no idea what they were talking about.

Fraud on the part of TIDAL. As expected.

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Neversin said:

IstenSzek said:

wait, what? so promo/testpressing copies were made of that 7 disc boxset and they
are 'out there?' or at least in so far as someone noted down the exact timings? this
is the first i've heard about that. that would be interesting to know more about. not
who where or what, i don't care, that's people privacy. it would just be cool if we'd
eventually be able to see photos and such of the testset.

It's nothing special, they're just "official" white sleeved (photocopied) NPG Records CDr's from Paisley Park (like the "Xenophobia" CDr and the "One Night Alone Live" CDr "sampler" that was sent to radio stations to promote the live set...)
They're, obvious when compared to the NPGMC rips, lossless and the tracklisting is the same as on Tidal, but again, different timestamps to be straight rips from this set...
The comparison of "The War" from the set with the official 1 track CD showed it was 100% exactly, to the millisecond, the same...

Neversin.

Thanks for the info, Neversin!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Both sides have a good argument and that is why they are in litigation.

It was all cool while P was alive because the music he was giving to Tidal was

more than the Contract and Artist Equity Term Agreement stipulated.

Tidal uses the terms "course of dealing" which means a "Gentlemen's

Agreement" between Jay-z and P.

But P is no longer with us to give a verbal ok to Jay-z to stream additional music

so therein lies the problem.

Comerica is saying the contract does not allow for full access to Tidal.

[Edited 11/14/17 17:09pm]

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

http://www.startribune.co...456728283/

Yeah.... I called this months ago, and got attacked by a small minority of people who, as per usual, had no idea what they were talking about.

Fraud on the part of TIDAL. As expected.

Not respecting his wishes is unethical.

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I hear what you are saying, Laura, but supporting TIDAL on Twitter does not equal a contract with TIDAL.

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

Not respecting his wishes is unethical.

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I hear what you are saying, Laura, but supporting TIDAL on Twitter does not equal a contract with TIDAL.

That is true but do you honestly think they gave Prince 1 million dollars without a contract or any sort of guarantee of a deliverable? According to earlier court docs $750k was sent at one last year the estate was saying the other $750 was unpaid. Later Tidal came back and said two additional payments were made. Once a week before his death and one in the fall. Just the fact that a payment schedule was in place makes me believe some sort of agreement be it oral or written was in place.

I also notice that the estate

We know no one from Tidal broke in a stole the NPG files and don't you think WB might have a problem with the WB material being on Tidal since they have a license deal with Prince/Estate?

How come the estate filled their lawsuit this time last year and wanted to obtain an injunction to take the music off Tidal yet a year later the music is still up on the site. How is Tidal getting away with this massive copyright infringement of 500 songs with the Federal court putting a stop to it at least until the court date arrives?

I believe there is a contract (because at first the Estate said there was none at all) and then the dispute was the terms and now the contract has been back dated. Seems like the strategy has changed 3 times now. I think a contract exsist and may be vague as to the deliverables and the royatly payment may not be what the estate mangers fill is adequate and they are now trying to get out of the deal.

It does not make sense to get out of since thousands of other artist and labels work with Tidal and if Prince had equity in the business and it ever gets sold that would be more money for the estate.

Why not just try to renegotiate or ride it out until the contract ends? The contract is only for five years not forever.

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

Thank you. In the absence of a valid contract that agreement ended when Prince passed.

Stop being rational why don't 'cha.....

It is what you can prove in court. Allegations mean nothing.

It is what is written in a VALID CONTRACT in or out of court, period. Speculations from fammys on the org mean nothing.

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

laurarichardson said:

It is what you can prove in court. Allegations mean nothing.

It is what is written in a VALID CONTRACT in or out of court, period. Speculations from fammys on the org mean nothing.

Agreeably, Prince's tweets do not constitute a written contract but they do clearly express intent and are far from speculative.

Is it possible that it's a little bit column A, a little bit column B?

Here's how I see it. I think it is obvious that Prince did choose Tidal and did give them more than the estate is claiming. But, I also think that after his passing, Tidal abused their position and claimed rights beyond what was agreed upon.

It just doesn't seem black and white to me. Both Tidal and the estate seem a bit shady about this.

That said, Prince is dead, it's up to the estate now. Tidal should only have material that Prince obviously intended for them to post which would be anything they had while he was alive or anything that they can prove the right to via contracts.

No?

has Tidal claimed there is a physical contract???????

djThunderfunk said:

Is it possible that it's a little bit column A, a little bit column B?

Here's how I see it. I think it is obvious that Prince did choose Tidal and did give them more than the estate is claiming. But, I also think that after his passing, Tidal abused their position and claimed rights beyond what was agreed upon.

It just doesn't seem black and white to me. Both Tidal and the estate seem a bit shady about this.

That said, Prince is dead, it's up to the estate now. Tidal should only have material that Prince obviously intended for them to post which would be anything they had while he was alive or anything that they can prove the right to via contracts.

No?

Comerica will not be able to do anything with whatever material is in a valid contract. Anything that was vague Comerica can argue about but at the end of the day their was intent and no company is going to give someone money up front without something in writing.

The estate has changed the situation 3 times so at this point I believe they just do not like the terms of the deal and want to find a means to get out of it.

From what I am reading it seems that Pheadra is siding with Tidal whic makes me very suscipious of these fraud claims.

It would not surprise me if the two sides reach an agreement to settle this matter.