SignOthetimes1987 said:

I believe Prince's opiate addiction was fairly new, Vicodin and Percocet are not

strong compared to Roxy 30's, Dilaudid or Opana.

Yet they only found vic's and perc's at PP, advanced addicts take stronger opiates than

Vicodin normally.

This was brought up before that the stuff they found was pretty light and that if he was some long term dope addict he would have had stronger stuff.

I honestly just do not see how anyone cannot see a big piece of the puzzle is missing.

laurarichardson said:

SignOthetimes1987 said:

I believe Prince's opiate addiction was fairly new, Vicodin and Percocet are not

strong compared to Roxy 30's, Dilaudid or Opana.

Yet they only found vic's and perc's at PP, advanced addicts take stronger opiates than

Vicodin normally.

This was brought up before that the stuff they found was pretty light and that if he was some long term dope addict he would have had stronger stuff.

I honestly just do not see how anyone cannot see a big piece of the puzzle is missing.

It struck me what you said earlier, though. It is AMAZING that there are ZERO stories about Prince acting weird or high or out of it. To be so visible and to be so hard on his body while entertaining and such and not to show any obvious sign of drug abuse, like just about every other person you can think of did, at least some of the time... that doesn't really add up...

Though, I don't have a problem believing he got hooked on prescription drugs and then probably just needed higher and higher doses to function and it led to his death. But, again, things don't seem to line up very well...

just because maybe he took pain medication for a terminal illness... ..doesnt mean he didnt pawty

People can function with full blown aids, it all depends, i recall when my sister had aids, she didn't know it was progresses that far, she thought it was just HIV, i tell you, when a nurse told her she had been full blown for a long time, that's what killed her right there, she just gave up. tommy morrison was a case where he accepted he had aids in the beginning, around 96, then, he watched some of this alternate info about hiv/aids being a lie and stopped taking medication, he still lived till a couple years ago inspite of a couple prison sentences and meth use. He spent the last year of his life bedridden in a hospice and (like Prince) the official cause of death was listed as something else rather than whatever other issues he had. You're right about walter, it was bile duct, from what i read, it's rare and even rarer in young healthy people under 60 but walter was a pill addict, i would think that had something to do with it. You do something to your body there will be a price to pay, just the way it is. I'm sure he had cte before it became a term also, with his suicide threats and depression.

laurarichardson said:

I have never seen anyone with AIDs sitting at a piano playing and traveling around the country. I also could see some massive lawsuits if any thought he had AIDS. I actually doubt Tyka would be saying anything at all because she can forget about her inheirentence if this turns out to be the case.

I saw the documentary on Tommie Morrison and he was on a ventilator the last six months of his life and he looked liked death warmed over prior to being hospitalized. He stopped taking his meds and it did not take long for him to deteriotate.

I say cancer or organ failing. I have had a few Uncles die of liver and kidney failure it can be painful and delibitating but with some treatment you can get a round a bit.

Walter Payton had liver problems due to bile duct cancer. See article below. It took about six months from his diagnois to death. I doubt Walter Payton was addicted to pain pills but we know he took them and these meds destroy your organs and it does not even take long for it to happen. You can have liver failure from taking to many aspirians. With treatment and if these types of cancers go into remission and person could make it for 10 years. It is possible that if Prince had used pain pills going back to the 90s he might have known about damage as long as a decade ago.

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-11-02/news/9911020076_1_liver-transplant-cancer-chicago-hospitals

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https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10910

The signs and symptoms of PSC include jaundice (yellowing), generalized pruritus (itching all over the body), upper abdominal pain, and infection.

The disease causes irreversible scarring of the liver (cirrhosis) and liver failure, leading to the consideration of liver transplantation. PSC is, in fact, one of the more common reasons for a liver transplant.

The diagnosis of PSC is confirmed by demonstration of thickened bile ducts using a special radiological test called cholangiography in which dye is injected into the bile ducts and then x-rays are taken of the injected ducts.

The treatment of PSC (short of liver transplantation) includes the drug cholestyramine (QUESTRAN) to diminish itching, antibiotics for infection, and vitamin D and calcium to prevent bone loss (osteoporosis). Sometimes, balloon dilatation (a procedure in which the bile ducts are stretched open) or surgery to bypass an obstructed bile duct are performed.

The expected length of survival depends on the age of the person, their

degree of jaundice (based on their blood bilirubin level), how advanced the PSC is by liver biopsy (whether cirrhosis has developed or not), and the size of the spleen (splenomegaly).

The long-term prognosis for PSC is poor. Wwithout a liver transplant, most patients die within 10 years of the time of diagnosis of the disease.

PeteSilas said:

i believe it, reading about how the great Walter Payton weighed about a hundred pounds and "looked like Sammy Davis jr." at his time of death tells all about the ravages of pancreatic cancer, ironically, it's an oppurtunistic disease of some sort from aids also, he had to come out and just say he had cancer because it was rumoured that he had aids. I don't think he did but it's possible, i think it was more because he abused pain pills. All this bullshit and mystery with Prince just makes me really think he had HIV, even though there are much better treatments today, people still die, one of the arquette siblings died of it recently didn't they?

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All of this speculation could be cleared up with the release of the autopsy report. But no, the family doesn't want to do that. Let's have people call him a junkie rather than telling the truth about his medical condition. It might also be that the vote is three to three on releasing the document, which means unless they flip one of the older three, we have to wait 29 more years or until one of them kicks the bucket.

1Sasha said:

All of this speculation could be cleared up with the release of the autopsy report. But no, the family doesn't want to do that. Let's have people call him a junkie rather than telling the truth about his medical condition. It might also be that the vote is three to three on releasing the document, which means unless they flip one of the older three, we have to wait 29 more years or until one of them kicks the bucket.

or they r looking to cash in first

1Sasha said:

All of this speculation could be cleared up with the release of the autopsy report. But no, the family doesn't want to do that. Let's have people call him a junkie rather than telling the truth about his medical condition. It might also be that the vote is three to three on releasing the document, which means unless they flip one of the older three, we have to wait 29 more years or until one of them kicks the bucket.

for me, it all comes down to shame, whatever is being hidden has more shame attached to it than a drug od which is pretty bad in my book. As i've said a zillion times, i think there is a very good chance he contracted aids like the rumor said before he died, thought he didn't need help, which sounds very princelike. A guy who thought he could defy time, well why wouldn't he think he could beat aids or any other ailment with his mind. I remember he had the kooky idea that he "willed" mayte to him, he had a lot of nutty ideas, i could see him believing he was above the laws of the universe. Happened to all the superstars, Elvis thought he could heal and changed clouds with his mind. Michael thought he'd live to 120, he didn't make it half that long.

When Prince died, he was addicted to drugs.....that's why he died, it's not hard.

lynx said:

When Prince died, he was addicted to drugs.....that's why he died, it's not hard.

yup, and you're opinion holds about as much water as anyone else's here.

lynx said:

When Prince died, he was addicted to drugs.....that's why he died, it's not hard.

yes, while worrying about his blood pressure and vitamin D in take. Go read something and comeback. He also planned to overdose 3 years ahead and told his sister and all the people who work for him keep telling us we do not know the whole story even thought we know he died from a drug overdose.

Makes so much sense.

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Not one of us posting our thoughts saw P take anything with our own eyes. Those that believe that he did are believing what you have been told by Ameircan Media. They are the biggest liars of all. Remember the old saying "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see!!!!!

purplethunder3121 said:

SignOthetimes1987 said:

I believe Prince's opiate addiction was fairly new, Vicodin and Percocet are not

strong compared to Roxy 30's, Dilaudid or Opana.

Yet they only found vic's and perc's at PP, advanced addicts take stronger opiates than

Vicodin normally.

More drugs I've never heard of...

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

All of this speculation could be cleared up with the release of the autopsy report. But no, the family doesn't want to do that. Let's have people call him a junkie rather than telling the truth about his medical condition. It might also be that the vote is three to three on releasing the document, which means unless they flip one of the older three, we have to wait 29 more years or until one of them kicks the bucket.

for me, it all comes down to shame, whatever is being hidden has more shame attached to it than a drug od which is pretty bad in my book. As i've said a zillion times, i think there is a very good chance he contracted aids like the rumor said before he died, thought he didn't need help, which sounds very princelike. A guy who thought he could defy time, well why wouldn't he think he could beat aids or any other ailment with his mind. I remember he had the kooky idea that he "willed" mayte to him, he had a lot of nutty ideas, i could see him believing he was above the laws of the universe. Happened to all the superstars, Elvis thought he could heal and changed clouds with his mind. Michael thought he'd live to 120, he didn't make it half that long.

PeteSilas, I think he went out on his own terms, before he suffered through the agony of whatever kind of death was awaiting him. I know that is not a popular opinion, but it is mine. As for the shame: I think they are hiding a secret, but, like you, I cannot for the life of me think labeling my loved one as a junkie would be better than the truth.

emesem said:

Prince having a mysterious terminal illness and executed a complex scheme to commit suicide by fentanyl is the new "Elvis lives".

No nothing was wrong he told his sister he was going to die a few years ahead just for shits and giggles.

What do you guys expect? When the articles appeared in mainstream media after he passed that he was some junky, coked up all day, etc. That is all it took, the lemmings and sheep all got in line, and this narrative will now persist longer than any of us will be here.

Due to the masses stupidity and ability to be spoon fed info that they assimilate at face value, Prince will be the poster boy for why drugs are bad from now until the end of time (which he ironically railed against his entire life), but that fact is buried now. So enjoy the don't be a druggie like Prince was articles from here on out, there will be many many many more to come.

The rest of us smarter folks know to ignore things such as this.

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leadline said:

What do you guys expect? When the articles appeared in mainstream media after he passed that he was some junky, coked up all day, etc. That is all it took, the lemmings and sheep all got in line, and this narrative will now persist longer than any of us will be here.

Due to the masses stupidity and ability to be spoon fed info that they assimilate at face value, Prince will be the poster boy for why drugs are bad from now until the end of time (which he ironically railed against his entire life), but that fact is buried now. So enjoy the don't be a druggie like Prince was articles from here on out, there will be many many many more to come.

The rest of us smarter folks know to ignore things such as this.

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Well his sister is saying she is going to write a book so I hope that will end it all.

I wish she would just come out and say everything but I also realize how the media can twist things and she is not that media savvy but a book is in black and white and might well put in end to the nonsense and lies.

true.. +

leadline said:

What do you guys expect? When the articles appeared in mainstream media after he passed that he was some junky, coked up all day, etc. That is all it took, the lemmings and sheep all got in line, and this narrative will now persist longer than any of us will be here.

Due to the masses stupidity and ability to be spoon fed info that they assimilate at face value, Prince will be the poster boy for why drugs are bad from now until the end of time (which he ironically railed against his entire life), but that fact is buried now. So enjoy the don't be a druggie like Prince was articles from here on out, there will be many many many more to come.

The rest of us smarter folks know to ignore things such as this.

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laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

What do you guys expect? When the articles appeared in mainstream media after he passed that he was some junky, coked up all day, etc. That is all it took, the lemmings and sheep all got in line, and this narrative will now persist longer than any of us will be here.

Due to the masses stupidity and ability to be spoon fed info that they assimilate at face value, Prince will be the poster boy for why drugs are bad from now until the end of time (which he ironically railed against his entire life), but that fact is buried now. So enjoy the don't be a druggie like Prince was articles from here on out, there will be many many many more to come.

The rest of us smarter folks know to ignore things such as this.

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Well his sister is saying she is going to write a book so I hope that will end it all.

I wish she would just come out and say everything but I also realize how the media can twist things and she is not that media savvy but a book is in black and white and might well put in end to the nonsense and lies.

His sister could release a book sure, but anything she says would be speculation, projection or perhaps even flat out lies. There is nothing that she could write in a book that I would take as gospel. She simply is not a reliable source, simple relation does not make her credible. Perhaps thats just me.

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you're right, she seems pretty unbalanced. Elvis had several people from his camp come out and say different things. His backup singer Kathy Westmoreland (singer of star trek) still claims that elvis told her he had bone cancer. who knows why people come up with this shit. and another guy in his camp made headlines about 27 years ago by claiming E committed suicide. people are going to talk. the one good thing about MJ's invasive autopsy report was that most of that shit was put to rest right then.

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

Well his sister is saying she is going to write a book so I hope that will end it all.

I wish she would just come out and say everything but I also realize how the media can twist things and she is not that media savvy but a book is in black and white and might well put in end to the nonsense and lies.

His sister could release a book sure, but anything she says would be speculation, projection or perhaps even flat out lies. There is nothing that she could write in a book that I would take as gospel. She simply is not a reliable source, simple relation does not make her credible. Perhaps thats just me.

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on the other hand, if anyone had the real info from the coroner it would be her and/or other family. somebody'll talk.

leadline said:

KoolEaze said:

It´s articles like this that make me wish those in the know would finally stop beating around the bush and tell the world what they really know. I hate to see the label drug addict being attached to one of the hardest working musicians in showbiz ever, and a clean living one to boot. There´s a big difference between recreational drug (ab)use and having to resort to heavy painkillers due to pain issues or some other underlying health issues. Sure, it was the fentanyl that killed him...but why was he taking it in the first place, and where did he get it from?

Can´t wait for the truth to be revealed.

This is so eloquent, KoolEaze. My thoughts exactly!

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

His sister could release a book sure, but anything she says would be speculation, projection or perhaps even flat out lies. There is nothing that she could write in a book that I would take as gospel. She simply is not a reliable source, simple relation does not make her credible. Perhaps thats just me.

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It is just you. The family knows the whole story we as fans do not.

How could they know? They had sporadic contact at best over the years.

I am not saying the family doesn't know things, but to definitively say THE FAMILY KNOWS THE WHOLE STORY, without anything to back that up, is a leap.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

His sister could release a book sure, but anything she says would be speculation, projection or perhaps even flat out lies. There is nothing that she could write in a book that I would take as gospel. She simply is not a reliable source, simple relation does not make her credible. Perhaps thats just me.

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It is just you. The family knows the whole story we as fans do not.

I'm not so sure...I think at least one member of the family has a good idea, absolutely - but the rest of them, not so much...

laurarichardson said:

emesem said:

Prince having a mysterious terminal illness and executed a complex scheme to commit suicide by fentanyl is the new "Elvis lives".

No nothing was wrong he told his sister he was going to die a few years ahead just for shits and giggles.

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She coulda just be whoring for attention. Wouldn't be the first time someone did that, won't be the last.

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She also brought Native American mysticism into it and changed the dates of when this alleged "revalation" was made to her.

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Anyone with any shred of common sense would be at least moderately SKEPTICAL of that claim.

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But many fans are in denial that drug addiction did kill Prince and did make him part of the statistics in this current opioid abuse epidemic.

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Some of y'all are simply OUT OF YOUR MINDS by complaining about an article that points out the very simple, sad fact that Prince's drug addiction got the better of him.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

His sister could release a book sure, but anything she says would be speculation, projection or perhaps even flat out lies. There is nothing that she could write in a book that I would take as gospel. She simply is not a reliable source, simple relation does not make her credible. Perhaps thats just me.

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It is just you. The family knows the whole story we as fans do not.

Sharon said in her Q & A, she still doesn't know.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

leadline said: It is just you. The family knows the whole story we as fans do not.

Sharon said in her Q & A, she still doesn't know.

Exactly. So you can extrapolate from that that none of the siblings know much at all.

emesem said:

Prince having a mysterious terminal illness and executed a complex scheme to commit suicide by fentanyl is the new "Elvis lives".

Yup. Conspiracy theories never die because there's money and fame to be made by them.

laurarichardson said:

emesem said:

Prince having a mysterious terminal illness and executed a complex scheme to commit suicide by fentanyl is the new "Elvis lives".

No nothing was wrong he told his sister he was going to die a few years ahead just for shits and giggles.

No, he didn't tell her he was going to die.

He said something like "I've accomplished everything I came here for" AND A WEEK LATER she looks at a photo and adds 2+2 to get 5.

Good GOD, people. You make crap up and then all agree with it.

No wonder Trump is President.

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

No nothing was wrong he told his sister he was going to die a few years ahead just for shits and giggles.

No, he didn't tell her he was going to die.

He said something like "I've accomplished everything I came here for" AND A WEEK LATER she looks at a photo and adds 2+2 to get 5.

Good GOD, people. You make crap up and then all agree with it.

No wonder Trump is President.