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Reply #90 posted 11/20/17 12:19am

purple05

NorthC said:

purple05 said:


MJ didnt have to do it behind a piano. He just needed a microphone. It's okay to prefer Prince but we don't have to be delusional. So we will agree to disagree smile

It's a Prince fan site, so if you start babbling about Michael Jackson being greater, then you can expect a reaction. confused
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Prince fan site or not. Give props where they are due. I'm sure most sane MJ fans will agree that Prince was a better guitar player than MJ.
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Reply #91 posted 11/20/17 12:20am

purple05

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purple05 said:


The one thing that saved MJ in the late/80s early 90s was his rhythmic talent. With BAD he started some of the staccato rhythmically he would be known for later. Then NSJ fit his voice and writing style like a glove. Hip hop/rap changed everything. R&B is a dying genre

R&B as in "rhythm & blues" hasn't really been popular since the 1950s. In the 1960s "soul" came into popularity and soul music dropped most of the blues part. In the 1980s the R&B charts in Billboard was called "Black Singles" and "Black Albums. Also in the 1980s, the Stray Cats music had more in common with early R&B than Freddie Jackson and Rene & Angela did. Today in the same way Big Bad Voodoo Daddy & Cherry Poppin' Daddies sounds more like Louis Jordan than Chris Brown & Rihanna does. Jet Magazine called their charts the "Soul Brothers Top 20". Today in Billboard it's called "Hip Hop/R&B". There's a sub chart called "Adult R&B", which used to be called "Urban Contemporary". Today R&B is just code for music made by black people, doesn't really mean anything as far as a sound goes.


Today r&b is a genre. It's more commonly referred to as contemporary r&b. It's more than just 'black music'
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Reply #92 posted 11/20/17 1:18am

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It's just been a year and a half. Aren't things still being dealt with on the legal side?

With the kind of material Prince has in his archives, his estate and their partners can almost print money after the dust settles and they can get in business.

-Re-release and remaster the albums in deluxe editions. The interest in his catalog is there. They just have to capitalize on it.

-Most of his video material is out of print. Release new DVD or blu ray editions of:

Prince and The Revolution Live: Live at Syracuse

Sign o' The Times: The Movie

Lovesexy Live '88

The Sacrifice of The Victor

The Undertaker

Under The Cherry Moon

Graffiti Bridge

Release in box sets the TV specials he released in his lifetime or license them to a streaming service like Netflix or Hulu:

Act 1 and 2

The Beautiful Experience

Love 4 One Another

Rave Un2 The Year 2000

-Just like 4Ever put his hits together, release a DVD companion that compiles all of his videos into one set

-Licensing deals with clothing and lifestyle companies like Deadline, Supreme, UNDFTD, The Hundreds to put out shirts and merchandise

-Put together a definitive documentary about his life in the same vein as John Lennon: Imagine or Tupac Resurrection. Better yet, do a Beatles Anthology-esque project with a CD/LP tie in release

It's not just going to be the music and video. When they start signing lucrative deals (It will happen, Prince is beloved worldwide and people WILL wear a Prince t shirt or sneakers), we'll see his name move up the ranks


"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #93 posted 11/20/17 2:17am

NorthC

purple05 said:

NorthC said:


It's a Prince fan site, so if you start babbling about Michael Jackson being greater, then you can expect a reaction. confused
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Prince fan site or not. Give props where they are due. I'm sure most sane MJ fans will agree that Prince was a better guitar player than MJ.

Jackson wasn't a guitarist, so that comparison makes no sense. It's like saying Thelonious Monk was a better piano player than Jimi Hendrix. Michael Jackson was a great dancer though, I'll give you that.
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Reply #94 posted 11/20/17 9:42am

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purple05 said:

Today r&b is a genre. It's more commonly referred to as contemporary r&b. It's more than just 'black music'

So you're saying EDM, trap beats, and ringtone sounds is "contemporary R&B"? There's no "blues" in any of that, so how is it rhythm & blues?

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #95 posted 11/21/17 5:25am

purple05

bboy87 said:

It's just been a year and a half. Aren't things still being dealt with on the legal side?




With the kind of material Prince has in his archives, his estate and their partners can almost print money after the dust settles and they can get in business.

-Re-release and remaster the albums in deluxe editions. The interest in his catalog is there. They just have to capitalize on it.



-Most of his video material is out of print. Release new DVD or blu ray editions of:


Prince and The Revolution Live: Live at Syracuse


Sign o' The Times: The Movie


Lovesexy Live '88


The Sacrifice of The Victor


The Undertaker


Under The Cherry Moon


Graffiti Bridge



Release in box sets the TV specials he released in his lifetime or license them to a streaming service like Netflix or Hulu:


Act 1 and 2


The Beautiful Experience


Love 4 One Another


Rave Un2 The Year 2000



-Just like 4Ever put his hits together, release a DVD companion that compiles all of his videos into one set



-Licensing deals with clothing and lifestyle companies like Deadline, Supreme, UNDFTD, The Hundreds to put out shirts and merchandise



-Put together a definitive documentary about his life in the same vein as John Lennon: Imagine or Tupac Resurrection. Better yet, do a Beatles Anthology-esque project with a CD/LP tie in release



It's not just going to be the music and video. When they start signing lucrative deals (It will happen, Prince is beloved worldwide and people WILL wear a Prince t shirt or sneakers), we'll see his name move up the ranks






Well it's not just about what's in the vault. It's about it properly being marketed to the public. Honestly the longer they wait, the harder it will be to sell. People's attention spans are short.
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Reply #96 posted 11/21/17 5:27am

purple05

MickyDolenz said:



purple05 said:


Today r&b is a genre. It's more commonly referred to as contemporary r&b. It's more than just 'black music'

So you're saying EDM, trap beats, and ringtone sounds is "contemporary R&B"? There's no "blues" in any of that, so how is it rhythm & blues?




I don't remember naming any songs lol
But some of those artist you listed do make contemporary r&b music.
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Reply #97 posted 11/21/17 9:17am

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I don't remember naming any songs lol But some of those artist you listed do make contemporary r&b music.

All of them and all of those songs are currently what is R&B. That's what is on the radio and the majority of the R&B and Hot 100 (aka pop) chart is rap. So technically hip hop is contemporary R&B. Many of the popular songs singers sound similar to the current rap sound "trap". Even some country songs have trap beats now. There's a separate Adult R&B format/chart, but that's not the main R&B chart, which is called Hip Hop/R&B. The local Adult R&B station plays a mix of oldies, new songs by veterans like Charlie Wilson, TLC, & Mary J. Blige, newer acts like Adele & Bruno Mars, old school rap songs by LL Cool J, Rob Base, Sugarhill Gang, etc. and sometimes zydeco, southern soul, & neo-soul. The Hip Hop/R&B format only plays new songs and current younger acts.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #98 posted 11/21/17 10:44am

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These are the Top 25 of both the regualar R&B and Adult R&B charts in Billboard for this week:

1 Post Malone feat. 21 Savage - Rockstar
2 Lil Pump - Gucci Gang
3 Cardi B - Bodak Yellow (Money Moves)
4 Logic feat. Alessia Cara & Khalid - 1-800-273-8255
5 G-Eazy feat. A$AP Rocky & Cardi B - No Limit
6 Eminem feat. Beyoncé - Walk On Water
7 Migos, Nicki Minaj & Cardi B - MotorSport
8 Gucci Mane feat. Migos - I Get The Bag
9 French Montana feat. Swae Lee - Unforgettable
10 Yo Gotti feat. Nicki Minaj - Rake It Up
11 Post Malone - I Fall Apart
12 21 Savage - Bank Account
13 Khalid - Young Dumb & Broke
14 Lil Uzi Vert feat. Nicki Minaj - The Way Life Goes
15 SZA - The Weekend
16 Kendrick Lamar feat. Zacari - Love.
17 Blackbear - Do Re Mi
18 Chris Brown feat. Yo Gotti, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie & Kodak Black - Pills And Automobiles
19 GoldLink feat. Brent Faiyaz & Shy Glizzy - Crew
20 NF - Let You Down
21 DJ Khaled feat. Rihanna & Bryson Tiller - Wild Thoughts
22 A$AP Ferg - Plain Jane
23 Offset & Metro Boomin - Ric Flair Drip
24 21 Savage, Offset & Metro Boomin feat. Travis Scott - Ghostface Killers
25 6ix9ine - Gummo

1 Tank - When We
2 Khalid - Location
3 Sevyn Streeter - Before I Do
4 Childish Gambino - Redbone
5 Bruno Mars - That's What I Like
6 Demetria McKinney - Easy
7 Sam Smith - Too Good At Goodbyes
8 Toni Braxton - Deadwood
9 112 - Dangerous Games
10 Mary J. Blige - Set Me Free
11 SZA feat. Travis Scott - Love Galore
12 Daniel Caesar feat. Kali Uchis - Get You
13 Vivian Green - I Don't Know
14 After 7 - Too Late
15 DJ Khaled feat. Rihanna & Bryson Tiller - Wild Thoughts
16 MAJOR. - Honest
17 Izzy Bizu - Diamond
18 Charlie Wilson - Chills
19 The Weeknd - Die For You
20 Stokley - Organic
21 Trey Songz - Song Goes Off
22 Keyshia Cole - Incapable
23 Boney James feat. Avery*Sunshine - Honestly
24 John Legend feat. Chance The Rapper - Penthouse Floor
25 George Tandy, Jr. - Already Love

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #99 posted 11/21/17 1:32pm

DD55

Schulz (peanuts) and Dr Seuss will never go ‘out of style’.

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I draw a blank at Einstein, Taylor, Page and Palmer.

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Now musical artists….

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I think much of it (this current list) also has to do with the age group you’re in…. I am in my 60’s and never bought an Elvis recording of any kind and I can’t see my self ever buying one. But many people in their 70’s have disposal income and are traveling including visiting Graceland.

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There are albums that I bought three times! First the record album, then the tape…. then in some cases the CD or purchased on iTunes.

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An example, Carol King Tapestry, I had the record, (number #1 when I graduated High School), so I had to buy the tape for my car… then just ~2 years ago after seeing the play ‘Beautiful’ I bought it again on itunes, for the third time. Sheesh, after seeing Diana Ross on Sunday evening…. i was on iTunes looking for some of her songs that I remembered, loved and also owned on vinyl and tape years ago. (Some cassette tapes and some…. wait for it…. 8-track!)

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And of course when a favorite artist passes, you're once again reminded the music you liked and often once again purchase what you let slide out of your collection.

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The oldies. It’s music that brings us back to as safe conformable place, or got us through bad times, or is what we were playing during the making of special memories.

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Peace, ~~DD55

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Reply #100 posted 11/21/17 3:03pm

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Astasheiks said:

Chuck Berry 'nem were already doing the stuff Elvis was doing eek but since a White man was doing it now it was a Big Deal!!!

If that's all it was, then how come Jerry Lee Lewis, Pat Boone, Carl Perkins, Everly Brothers, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, etc. didn't get the same level of popularity as Elvis? Back then black church people complained about R&B singers like Ray Charles taking the gospel sound and putting secular words over it. They also did not like that gospel singers such as Sam Cooke & Aretha Franklin abandoned it for the "devil's music". In their cases, it was worse since both Aretha & Sam had preacher fathers. Some would consider Sam's death as punishment for leaving the church. Elvis has always given credit and never said he invented anything, and it was not R&B/gospel only. There was some country and a little opera. Everybody was influenced by something. Eddie Levert has said he was influenced by opera singer Mario Lanza. Does that mean he stole "white music"? Some Latino music like salsa was influenced from music from Africa. The banjo originated from Africa too. Both country & blues had elements from Hawaiian music. That's where the slide & pedal steel guitar sound came from.

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Okay I agree, to a point... smile

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Reply #101 posted 11/21/17 3:04pm

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purple05 said:

MickyDolenz said:

If that's all it was, then how come Jerry Lee Lewis, Pat Boone, Carl Perkins, Everly Brothers, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, etc. didn't get the same level of popularity as Elvis? Back then black church people complained about R&B singers like Ray Charles taking the gospel sound and putting secular words over it. They also did not like that gospel singers such as Sam Cooke & Aretha Franklin abandoned it for the "devil's music". In their cases, it was worse since both Aretha & Sam had preacher fathers. Some would consider Sam's death as punishment for leaving the church. Elvis has always given credit and never said he invented anything, and it was not R&B/gospel only. There was some country and a little opera. Everybody was influenced by something. Eddie Levert has said he was influenced by opera singer Mario Lanza. Does that mean he stole "white music"? Some Latino music like salsa was influenced from music from Africa. The banjo originated from Africa too. Both country & blues had elements from Hawaiian music. That's where the slide & pedal steel guitar sound came from.

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A big part of Elvis' stature is because he was white. Yes he had talent and was charismatic but there were many black men who were just as good if not better and they never got half of the praise Elvis gets.

Thats what I'm talking about...

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Reply #102 posted 11/23/17 2:23pm

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Okay I agree, to a point... smile

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #103 posted 11/23/17 2:31pm

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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #104 posted 11/23/17 2:31pm

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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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