bonatoc said:

morningsong said:

Was she supposed to be psychic and know which time would be the time he needed the most help? Seems so hard to gauge and be responsible for. I get the impression Prince didn't take smothering very well.

I agree. To be clear, not charghing Tyka with anything.
The man impressed so much that he could probably make a yes wo.man out of anybody,
even strong minds and characters. The achievements alone would make me shit my pants if I were to say just "hello". So imagine the rest (aura, scent, moves, the eyes, the talents).

We all know by many stories you could give him advice at best. The decision was is.
But, wasn't the cocktail gone bad, at that point? If some knew (you're talking of Tyka being psychic, but according to her, she didn't have to be, she knew some serious shit was going on for quite some time), then there was some urgency to step in and assume that drugs not only ease the pain, but may also take away any common sense of self preservation.

In that sense, I think I would have spent the rest of the day in my brown marks, until SKipper was grounded, and not allowed to budge until sober as a tibetan monk. Or close.

It might make sense, except for the added problem of counterfeit pills with lethal doses of fentanyl in them. Maybe there was a system in place for the "normal" incidences, and if everything had of flowed normally and the pills were really the proper dosage of hydrocodone, then everything would have kept right on moving, with us none the wiser.

I'm still hunting for the article where Prince stated he was having dreams, I could have sworn it was in that 2014 RS article but none of the online versions seem to have that statement, maybe I'm visually missing it because of my short time to do a lot of searching. I'll be doing a search through my hardcopies soon and see if I saved it.

bonatoc said:

Judging by the last concert, he was able to function and more than that, to connect.

This can only mean one thing : we're talking about someone who knew his body well. OK, he was in pain, but either on stage or under the sheets, heck, even when just walking (damn heels) SKipper was always aware of his moves. In harmony with his body, and with his big ol' control freak syndrome, well, he knew his limits after all these years. Not a smoker, no meat, we're talking of someone who considers the body no less important than the spirit.

So my guess Prince found the perfect cocktail: by carefully dosing a mixture of painkillers during these last years, he found his own formula, just to ease the pain, while not feeling TOO high.
This could maybe explain the many types of pills found in PP. Quantities may be seen just as a mental security blanket: you sleep better if you know you have a big stock, even if you're never gonna use it all at once. It's like your bank account. And we know how Prince could be careful about keeping his bucks next to himself.

I would even go as far if you know you have a lot (just to reassure yourself if a hypothetical case of a super-acute pain episode showing up), you're "somewhat" encouraged, self-coached to take less. You don't have the psychological pressure of a possible withdrawal.

It's pretty clear that synthetized chemicals, as opposed as the same molecules ingested under more natural forms can make a huge difference in how the body absorbs them.
We all pissed Glyphosate in 2017.
Pharmacy is potent, you need a daily coach to dose your shit (POTUS and other neurotics come to mind) perfectly. Not too high, not too low. I think Prince mastered his intakes very well.
Again, Atlanta.

So if this was an accident,
this makes April 21st a celestial event.

To me, unaware prescience is often a product of a state of grace.
Lawd knows Prince had a few, and that's an euphemism.

If this is an accident, does it place Nevada or Nebraska on the map to the source?
Or was the "as potent as the Death Row formula used in Nebraska" just an easy shortcut for clickbait around Fentanyl ?

If this is an accident, it makes

"Wait a few days before you waste your prayers on me" yet another episode of dubious sense of humour coming from God, and I swear to Him he's gonna have 2 explain himself one of His days, Himdamn.

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Yes, he was being careful about what he took, until April 20th or 21st. I don't believe he knew he was taking a Fentanyl-laced pill.

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I will never understand the "Wait a few days" comment.

morningsong said:

bonatoc said:

I agree. To be clear, not charghing Tyka with anything.
The man impressed so much that he could probably make a yes wo.man out of anybody,
even strong minds and characters. The achievements alone would make me shit my pants if I were to say just "hello". So imagine the rest (aura, scent, moves, the eyes, the talents).

We all know by many stories you could give him advice at best. The decision was is.
But, wasn't the cocktail gone bad, at that point? If some knew (you're talking of Tyka being psychic, but according to her, she didn't have to be, she knew some serious shit was going on for quite some time), then there was some urgency to step in and assume that drugs not only ease the pain, but may also take away any common sense of self preservation.

In that sense, I think I would have spent the rest of the day in my brown marks, until SKipper was grounded, and not allowed to budge until sober as a tibetan monk. Or close.

It might make sense, except for the added problem of counterfeit pills with lethal doses of fentanyl in them. Maybe there was a system in place for the "normal" incidences, and if everything had of flowed normally and the pills were really the proper dosage of hydrocodone, then everything would have kept right on moving, with us none the wiser.

I'm still hunting for the article where Prince stated he was having dreams, I could have sworn it was in that 2014 RS article but none of the online versions seem to have that statement, maybe I'm visually missing it because of my short time to do a lot of searching. I'll be doing a search through my hardcopies soon and see if I saved it.

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Prince talking about lucid dreams here:

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It was in January, after Bowie had died.

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Prince’s representatives asked Jeremiah Freed, a blogger who runs drfunkenberry.com, to help spread the word of the party on Saturday night. Before that night, Mr. Freed said, he never really had any concerns about Prince’s condition, though he was struck by something that the musician told him in January. Prince spoke of David Bowie’s death, Mr. Freed recalled, saying he was having lucid dreams in which he communicated with people who died.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2...-says.html

bonatoc said:

These are only my personal opinions and possible possibilities, so be kind and understanding.
Let's be well educated on the subject of fights.

About Tyka: I think she feels a bond deeper now because of all the years spent away from her brother, in her own personal hell. A debt of the heart, possibly. I just wonder... How can someone that experienced addiction at her levels could not act if she was aware of Prince taking opioids?
Maybe she wasn't, so OK.

If she wasn't aware of him taking medication (in the case of a terminal disease, it's no hard guess it involves some kind of morphin), how close was she to SKipper in reality? How come she's the only recipient for an information as important as she claims it's been, and not act accordingly? In France, we would on the verge of "non-assistance à personne en danger" (I don't think you'll need to light a bulb for translation).

Let's say Prince told her to keep it a secret. Nevertheless, I can't reconciliate someone telling me how close she was to her brother (so close she was warned three years ahead of his transition) and not rushing to Moline and ground the M.F., tying him to his bed, and after having being briefed by doctors, call relatives, friends, lawyers, do whatever action possible to give Prince at least the time to detox and to fully consider the situation and the condition he's in. After that, he's free to go if he wishes so, but at least as her sister, I give him a chance to choose his options with a clean state of mind, and not altered by substances, who'll make you believe, for example, that planes are more toxic than they already are (as if people working in the airlines didn't have children and were worldwide under some kind of Matrix hypnosis, but that's another topic).

Tyka, I sure would have liked for you to go to the media spotlight before, not after.

I can't imagine what it must feel like to try to express yourself artistically only to realize your brother is too much of a workaholic to be close to; and that he outshines not only your attempts, but the whole wordlwide competition. This could be psychological grounds for Tyka to interpret something that was not definitive in the way she thinks it is.

When I hear "Revelation", I hear a man at peace. A man who must've been pretty angry with God at times. The greatest dancer (you heard me well, Michael) repaid with excrutiating pain. That's why I can't listen to "Solo". This shit is the antithesis to "God (vocal)", or "Forever In My Life". It's a capella, behaded. "For You" angels choir it is not.

Throwing "Little Pill" in the face of a drugged western world, and serves all of us right, only to be forced to pop pills yourself just in order to function. Pills that cut your appetite, at the same time taking away the power to realize to which extent (as if you weren't already used to stay awake for fourteen hours on just a bowl of Cap'n Crunch and half a bottle of Evian), opening your doors of perception in hallucinatory and revelatory in even wider (and weirder) ways, because hey, in the end, deep down, you're kind-hearted, generous, and willing to pay the price for your sins. But as you go deep, as you wander in the depths of how small and unimportant a musician's career is compared to the universe, do you find yourself in an unexpected place of the heart, your unborn son calling you ? A will can surely sound unimportant then. We're stardust.


As for the Watson 385: am I right to say that it all boils down to know if it was the dealer that was mistaken, thus deceiving Kirk, or if Kirk knew what the fucking Watson really were?

[Edited 12/15/17 13:39pm]

Thank you for the poetry...you made me weep. xoxo

A few things that still don't make sense to me (and quite probably never will unless someone close to him talks). In the Travis interview, when he spoke of being epileptic when he was young, he said he didn't recall telling his mother "the angles told me" that he wouldn't be "sick" any more. That statement poses the question - did he ever have seizures again (per Judith's description of the Moline incident)? He never mentioned taking anything for it, so I highly doubt a seizure would come on, out of the blue, some 50 years later. He was also very conscientious of his diet and, let's just say the natural world, so I'm surprised that he didn't research natural pain meds (Devil's Claw, Cumin, etc., etc.). I find it strange that he would willingly pursue pharmaceudicals and their side-effects, when he seemed to be a proponent for "healthy living".

[Edited 12/17/17 10:53am]

Misslink88 said:

A few things that still don't make sense to me (and quite probably never will unless someone close to him talks). In the Travis interview, when he spoke of being epileptic when he was young, he said he didn't recall telling his mother "the angles told me" that he wouldn't be "sick" any more. That statement poses the question - did he ever have seizures again (per Judith's description of the Moline incident)? He never mentioned taking anything for it, so I highly doubt a seizure would come on, out of the blue, some 50 years later. He was also very conscientious of his diet and, let's just say the natural world, so I'm surprised that he didn't research natural pain meds (Devil's Claw, Cumin, etc., etc.). I find it strange that he would willingly pursue pharmaceudicals and their side-effects, when he seemed to be a proponent for "healthy living".

[Edited 12/17/17 10:53am]

"Willingly" being the operative word here.
Opiods take away your will insidiously. Slowly, day by day.
But first of all, they take away your pain, and it's the only thing that matters at first.

Some time later on your ego of Cool Cat is restored too. The Walk. Cool.
You're hooked way before you know it.
It's a product designed to sell again, otherwise what would be the point of mass-producing it.

You take the habit. Pain comes again.
You increase it a bit. Welcome to Opium.

« Whoopsie dears members of the Senatorial Commission, we're taking it away right now,
in the meanyears we made bucks by the load truck, but such are the Laws of the Free Market of Molecules.
Sorry? You say some are Dead On It?
Break an egg, Yellow Day, hey, we've written 'with moderation' on the notice! »

Misslink88 said:

A few things that still don't make sense to me (and quite probably never will unless someone close to him talks). In the Travis interview, when he spoke of being epileptic when he was young, he said he didn't recall telling his mother "the angles told me" that he wouldn't be "sick" any more. That statement poses the question - did he ever have seizures again (per Judith's description of the Moline incident)? He never mentioned taking anything for it, so I highly doubt a seizure would come on, out of the blue, some 50 years later. He was also very conscientious of his diet and, let's just say the natural world, so I'm surprised that he didn't research natural pain meds (Devil's Claw, Cumin, etc., etc.). I find it strange that he would willingly pursue pharmaceudicals and their side-effects, when he seemed to be a proponent for "healthy living".

[Edited 12/17/17 10:53am]

In the interview with Tavis Smiley he said, "I used to have seizures when I was young." That would indicate that it was past tense and that at the time of the interview he hadn't had them since then.

benni said:

bonatoc said:

Misslink88 said:

A few things that still don't make sense to me (and quite probably never will unless someone close to him talks). In the Travis interview, when he spoke of being epileptic when he was young, he said he didn't recall telling his mother "the angles told me" that he wouldn't be "sick" any more. That statement poses the question - did he ever have seizures again (per Judith's description of the Moline incident)? He never mentioned taking anything for it, so I highly doubt a seizure would come on, out of the blue, some 50 years later. He was also very conscientious of his diet and, let's just say the natural world, so I'm surprised that he didn't research natural pain meds (Devil's Claw, Cumin, etc., etc.). I find it strange that he would willingly pursue pharmaceudicals and their side-effects, when he seemed to be a proponent for "healthy living".

[Edited 12/17/17 10:53am]

"Willingly" being the operative word here.
Opiods take away your will insidiously. Slowly, day by day.
But first of all, they take away your pain, and it's the only thing that matters at first.

Some time later on your ego of Cool Cat is restored too. The Walk. Cool.
You're hooked way before you know it.
It's a product designed to sell again, otherwise what would be the point of mass-producing it.

You take the habit. Pain comes again.
You increase it a bit. Welcome to Opium.

« Whoopsie dears members of the Senatorial Commission, we're taking it away right now,
in the meanyears we made bucks by the load truck, but such are the Laws of the Free Market of Molecules.
Sorry? You say some are Dead On It?
Break an egg, Yellow Day, hey, we've written 'with moderation' on the notice! »

I understand chronic pain quite well. It literally changes who you are as a human being and you're correct in that the pharmaceudical industry cultivates "customers". This is the part I don't get. Any conspiracy theorist worth their salty questioning would have run the other way from them, regardless of the short term pain relief, and sought other remedies. He refused hip surgery for years. However, that calls into play one's pain threshold and no one can truly say how much he'd reached.

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

In the interview with Tavis Smiley he said, "I used to have seizures when I was young." That would indicate that it was past tense and that at the time of the interview he hadn't had them since then.

We have no way of knowing if he continued to have them. Seizures can come and go and you do not have to epilepsy to have them and they can different kinds that simply make you stare into space like Mayte said he told her about his headaches.

He was very specific that it was epilepsy and seven of 10 children outgrow epilepsy, never to have a seizure again. I don't trust anything Mayte says, so that would have to be confirmed by other people.

Come to think of it, perhaps the opiods entered the picture after his hip surgery?

laurarichardson said:

benni said:

In the interview with Tavis Smiley he said, "I used to have seizures when I was young." That would indicate that it was past tense and that at the time of the interview he hadn't had them since then.

We have no way of knowing if he continued to have them. Seizures can come and go and you do not have to epilepsy to have them and they can different kinds that simply make you stare into space like Mayte said he told her about his headaches.

I trust Prince's reporting on this, rather than fan speculation. If Prince said "he used to have them", that is what he meant.

I work as a medical social worker and am aware of the different forms that seizures can take. I also know that children can outgrow seizures related to epilepsy. About half of kids that have seizures related to epilepsy, outgrow them and never have another seizure.

Misslink88 said:

Come to think of it, perhaps the opiods entered the picture after his hip surgery?

I understand the perplexity you mention above. I'm puzzled too about his choice, but maybe they weren't any left.
Maybe the alternative was a wheelchair or a crooked walk. Something made a difference, maybe he tried everything else for a decade.

Misslink88 said:

benni said:

bonatoc said:

sonshine said:

bonatoc said:

I understand the perplexity you mention above. I'm puzzled too about his choice, but maybe they weren't any left.
Maybe the alternative was a wheelchair or a crooked walk. Something made a difference, maybe he tried everything else for a decade.

Perhaps they did enter the picture after the hip surgery. It makes logical sense. I don't rule out the possibility there may have been occasional pill popping prior, but i really don't believe it was an issue in his life per se until the 2000's. As far as his choice(s) for managing pain it can't be stressed enough that even the most health conscious, organic-leaning, clean-living individuals become dependent upon (addicted to) opiates. The relief they give is swift and sure. Living with pain is challenging and exhausting for the average Joe. It had to be even moreso for someone as productive-minded as Prince. Alternative therapies are usually slower to be effective (if at all). It takea a great deal of time and effort to research and trial other less lethal options for pain relief. When you are hurting opiates offer quick and esay relief. It would be hard for anyone to turn that down especially someone so driven to accomplish so much in every 24 hours. The seizure debate is one to put to bed. There has never, ever been mention of seizure-like episodes from him or anyone in his circle post-early childhood. What would be the reason for anyone with knowlege of such a thing to not share that information? Why would anyone friend or family withold that information? There would be no harm in revealing the infoemation yet no one has. It makes no sense to keep it secret. Thats all the proof i need to rule it out. [Edited 12/18/17 3:46am]

They would not share it because it would be his personal business.

I also mentioned what Morris Day said in the Original 7 DVD about Prince stopping in mid sentence and stiring into space.

Also the associtates per the police cannot be relied upon to be honest about much of anything

From the search warrant.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

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I am sure which but I believe one of the unamed sources said

Generic Name: diazepam was found in his system. Could have been to treat withdrawals or seizures.

Valium

Generic Name: diazepam (dye AZ e pam)
Brand Names: Valium

Valium (diazepam) is a benzodiazepine (ben-zoe-dye-AZE-eh-peens). Diazepam affects chemicals in the brain that may be unbalanced in people with anxiety.

Valium is used to treat anxiety disorders, alcohol withdrawal symptoms, or muscle spasms.

Valium is sometimes used with other medications to treat seizures.

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As with Tyka, beware of metaphors and interpretations.
"Mom, an angel told me I was not going to be sick anymore",
doesn't negate the fact that it could cease to happen with the help of a drug.

sonshine said:

bonatoc said:

I understand the perplexity you mention above. I'm puzzled too about his choice, but maybe they weren't any left.
Maybe the alternative was a wheelchair or a crooked walk. Something made a difference, maybe he tried everything else for a decade.

Perhaps they did enter the picture after the hip surgery. It makes logical sense. I don't rule out the possibility there may have been occasional pill popping prior, but i really don't believe it was an issue in his life per se until the 2000's. As far as his choice(s) for managing pain it can't be stressed enough that even the most health conscious, organic-leaning, clean-living individuals become dependent upon (addicted to) opiates. The relief they give is swift and sure. Living with pain is challenging and exhausting for the average Joe. It had to be even moreso for someone as productive-minded as Prince. Alternative therapies are usually slower to be effective (if at all). It takea a great deal of time and effort to research and trial other less lethal options for pain relief. When you are hurting opiates offer quick and esay relief. It would be hard for anyone to turn that down especially someone so driven to accomplish so much in every 24 hours. The seizure debate is one to put to bed. There has never, ever been mention of seizure-like episodes from him or anyone in his circle post-early childhood. What would be the reason for anyone with knowlege of such a thing to not share that information? Why would anyone friend or family withold that information? There would be no harm in revealing the infoemation yet no one has. It makes no sense to keep it secret. Thats all the proof i need to rule it out. [Edited 12/18/17 3:46am]

Lauraricharson - "Morris Day states on the Original 7 dvd that Prince use to stop talking mid-sentence and stare into space. He met Prince when he was a teen."

To the best of my knowledge, NO ONE else has ever stated this from his teen years (or later). Many creative types stop in mid-sentence and stare off into space because they are running a movie in their heads about what they've just been discussing. Everyone has, from time to time, stopped mid-sentence, stared off into the distance, and entertained a thought that just popped in that was triggered by what they were talking about. That doesn't indicatre a seziure.

Gabor Mate has A LOT to say about addiction, including workaholism. https://drgabormate.com/t...addiction/

I guess the biggest thing for me is that these latter-day choices seem so far out of character. This quote (Arlene Mojica) goes back to March of 1997.

"He took pills containing herbs and extracts of the alfalfa plant. He was hung up on his digestive system."

I find it unique that Tyka suffered (probably still is) joint pain as a child, and Prince suffered epilepsy. They are both highly religious, but didn't grow up in the same households during their adolesences.

Misslink88 said:

sonshine said:

bonatoc said: Perhaps they did enter the picture after the hip surgery. It makes logical sense. I don't rule out the possibility there may have been occasional pill popping prior, but i really don't believe it was an issue in his life per se until the 2000's. As far as his choice(s) for managing pain it can't be stressed enough that even the most health conscious, organic-leaning, clean-living individuals become dependent upon (addicted to) opiates. The relief they give is swift and sure. Living with pain is challenging and exhausting for the average Joe. It had to be even moreso for someone as productive-minded as Prince. Alternative therapies are usually slower to be effective (if at all). It takea a great deal of time and effort to research and trial other less lethal options for pain relief. When you are hurting opiates offer quick and esay relief. It would be hard for anyone to turn that down especially someone so driven to accomplish so much in every 24 hours. The seizure debate is one to put to bed. There has never, ever been mention of seizure-like episodes from him or anyone in his circle post-early childhood. What would be the reason for anyone with knowlege of such a thing to not share that information? Why would anyone friend or family withold that information? There would be no harm in revealing the infoemation yet no one has. It makes no sense to keep it secret. Thats all the proof i need to rule it out. [Edited 12/18/17 3:46am]

Lauraricharson - "Morris Day states on the Original 7 dvd that Prince use to stop talking mid-sentence and stare into space. He met Prince when he was a teen."

To the best of my knowledge, NO ONE else has ever stated this from his teen years (or later). Many creative types stop in mid-sentence and stare off into space because they are running a movie in their heads about what they've just been discussing. Everyone has, from time to time, stopped mid-sentence, stared off into the distance, and entertained a thought that just popped in that was triggered by what they were talking about. That doesn't indicatre a seziure.

Gabor Mate has A LOT to say about addiction, including workaholism. https://drgabormate.com/t...addiction/

I think that you will find it interesting to read an article on the Mayo Clinic's site that pertains to epilepsy. The link is below. In the Overview section, it states:

"Some people require lifelong treatment to control seizures, but for others, the seizures eventually go away. Some children with epilepsy may outgrow the condition with age."

https://www.mayoclinic.or...c-20350093

Misslink88 said:

sonshine said:

bonatoc said: Perhaps they did enter the picture after the hip surgery. It makes logical sense. I don't rule out the possibility there may have been occasional pill popping prior, but i really don't believe it was an issue in his life per se until the 2000's. As far as his choice(s) for managing pain it can't be stressed enough that even the most health conscious, organic-leaning, clean-living individuals become dependent upon (addicted to) opiates. The relief they give is swift and sure. Living with pain is challenging and exhausting for the average Joe. It had to be even moreso for someone as productive-minded as Prince. Alternative therapies are usually slower to be effective (if at all). It takea a great deal of time and effort to research and trial other less lethal options for pain relief. When you are hurting opiates offer quick and esay relief. It would be hard for anyone to turn that down especially someone so driven to accomplish so much in every 24 hours. The seizure debate is one to put to bed. There has never, ever been mention of seizure-like episodes from him or anyone in his circle post-early childhood. What would be the reason for anyone with knowlege of such a thing to not share that information? Why would anyone friend or family withold that information? There would be no harm in revealing the infoemation yet no one has. It makes no sense to keep it secret. Thats all the proof i need to rule it out. [Edited 12/18/17 3:46am]

Lauraricharson - "Morris Day states on the Original 7 dvd that Prince use to stop talking mid-sentence and stare into space. He met Prince when he was a teen."

To the best of my knowledge, NO ONE else has ever stated this from his teen years (or later). Many creative types stop in mid-sentence and stare off into space because they are running a movie in their heads about what they've just been discussing. Everyone has, from time to time, stopped mid-sentence, stared off into the distance, and entertained a thought that just popped in that was triggered by what they were talking about. That doesn't indicatre a seziure.

Gabor Mate has A LOT to say about addiction, including workaholism. https://drgabormate.com/t...addiction/

There are different types of sympthoms for seizures. See below. I have an in-law who has the stiring into space seizure. I do not know them to be the creative type. I honestly wish people on this board would respect actual science just a little bit. You realize those migraine headaches he complained to Mayte about could have also been the start of seizures.

https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/types-seizures

How are seizures classified now?

There are now 3 major groups of seizures.

1. Generalized onset seizures: These seizures affect both sides of the brain or groups of cells on both sides of the brain at the same time. This term was used before and still includes seizures types like tonic-clonic, absence, or atonic to name a few.
2. Focal onset seizures: The term focal is used instead of partial to be more accurate when talking about where seizures begin. Focal seizures can start in one area or group of cells in one side of the brain.
   • Focal Onset Aware Seizures: When a person is awake and aware during a seizure, it’s called a focal aware seizure. This used to be called a simple partial seizure.
   • Focal Onset Impaired Awareness: When a person is confused or their awareness is affected in some way during a focal seizure, it’s called a focal impaired awareness seizure. This used to be called a complex partial seizure.
3. Unknown onset seizures: When the beginning of a seizure is not known, it’s now called an unknown onset seizure. A seizure could also be called an unknown onset if it’s not witnessed or seen by anyone, for example when seizures happen at night or in a person who lives alone.
   • As more information is learned, an unknown onset seizure may later be diagnosed as a focal or generalized seizure.

morningsong said:

I find it unique that Tyka suffered (probably still is) joint pain as a child, and Prince suffered epilepsy. They are both highly religious, but didn't grow up in the same households during their adolesences.

When did Tyka say she had joint pain as a child?

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

I find it unique that Tyka suffered (probably still is) joint pain as a child, and Prince suffered epilepsy. They are both highly religious, but didn't grow up in the same households during their adolesences.

When did Tyka say she had joint pain as a child?

I'm assuming it's in her book. She talked about those things in her interviews for promoting the book.
She suffered a lot of unidentified arthiritis type pain, preventing her from running and playing like kids do.

[Edited 12/18/17 10:55am]

Misslink88 said:

laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

Lauraricharson - "Morris Day states on the Original 7 dvd that Prince use to stop talking mid-sentence and stare into space. He met Prince when he was a teen."

To the best of my knowledge, NO ONE else has ever stated this from his teen years (or later). Many creative types stop in mid-sentence and stare off into space because they are running a movie in their heads about what they've just been discussing. Everyone has, from time to time, stopped mid-sentence, stared off into the distance, and entertained a thought that just popped in that was triggered by what they were talking about. That doesn't indicatre a seziure.

Gabor Mate has A LOT to say about addiction, including workaholism. https://drgabormate.com/t...addiction/

There are different types of sympthoms for seizures. See below. I have an in-law who has the stiring into space seizure. I do not know them to be the creative type. I honestly wish people on this board would respect actual science just a little bit. You realize those migraine headaches he complained to Mayte about could have also been the start of seizures.

https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/types-seizures

How are seizures classified now?

There are now 3 major groups of seizures.

1. Generalized onset seizures: These seizures affect both sides of the brain or groups of cells on both sides of the brain at the same time. This term was used before and still includes seizures types like tonic-clonic, absence, or atonic to name a few.
2. Focal onset seizures: The term focal is used instead of partial to be more accurate when talking about where seizures begin. Focal seizures can start in one area or group of cells in one side of the brain.
   • Focal Onset Aware Seizures: When a person is awake and aware during a seizure, it’s called a focal aware seizure. This used to be called a simple partial seizure.
   • Focal Onset Impaired Awareness: When a person is confused or their awareness is affected in some way during a focal seizure, it’s called a focal impaired awareness seizure. This used to be called a complex partial seizure.
3. Unknown onset seizures: When the beginning of a seizure is not known, it’s now called an unknown onset seizure. A seizure could also be called an unknown onset if it’s not witnessed or seen by anyone, for example when seizures happen at night or in a person who lives alone.
   • As more information is learned, an unknown onset seizure may later be diagnosed as a focal or generalized seizure.

I honestly wish people would respect what actually came out of his mouth. The point is that HE said he "used to have seizures when I was young". And, for whatever reason, he brought it up on Travis' show. Speculating if he did or did not continue to have them throughout his life is purely that-speculation. https://www.youtube.com/w...gD9qVUVHrI

laytonian said:

Misslink88 said:

Come to think of it, perhaps the opiods entered the picture after his hip surgery?

No. Before. He was popping pain pulls in lieu of hip surgery in 2009, according to Roger Friedman

Who is Roger Friedman and how would he know?

leerix said:

Another advantage to correcting a vitamin D deficiency has been seen in decreasing knee and hip pain. A longitudinal population-based cohort study of 769 randomly selected older adults aged 50-80 years found that moderate vitamin D deficiency predicts the incidence or worsening of knee pain over five years and possibly hip pain over 2.4 years.

It was reported recently on the vitamin d council website someone self-medicating mammoth amounts of the vitamin to speed up healing from a bone problem. Way way more than therapeutic dose. And the injury healed completely, much to the general physician's surprise.

I've always wanted to know why P was so pale in the early 90s?! Was it makeup or was he just completely avoiding the sun? Vitamin B12 was routinely taken by celebs back then, but not Vit D. P probably wasn't supplementing back then and he definitely looked like he spent all time indoors.