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purplefam99 said: I think it was fentanyl both times. He wasnt aware that he had something stronger Took too much after Atlanta so plane incident happened. I think perhaps it didn’t even dawn on him that he had drugs That were anything than he was used to getting. And took too much again Never realizing he was measuring out a drug he wasn’t used to taking. +1. This is what i have believed all along. Its the most logical conclusion. It makes the most sense. It fits the entire scenario. It doesn't require the addition of crazy conspiracies or irrationally reaching for something else that contributed to his passing. Sometimes the answer is this simple. I believe this is what the investigation has revealed. I don't believe they are chasing down any other theories. There is no more. The only question that remains perhaps is how he aquired them. And its one that they will unlikely ever be able to answer at this point. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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sonshine said: purplefam99 said: I think it was fentanyl both times. He wasnt aware that he had something stronger Took too much after Atlanta so plane incident happened. I think perhaps it didn’t even dawn on him that he had drugs That were anything than he was used to getting. And took too much again Never realizing he was measuring out a drug he wasn’t used to taking. +1. This is what i have believed all along. Its the most logical conclusion. It makes the most sense. It fits the entire scenario. It doesn't require the addition of crazy conspiracies or irrationally reaching for something else that contributed to his passing. Sometimes the answer is this simple. I believe this is what the investigation has revealed. I don't believe they are chasing down any other theories. There is no more. The only question that remains perhaps is how he aquired them. And its one that they will unlikely ever be able to answer at this point. —Then why did Chazz say the cameras in Paisley Park were removed? Why are two musicians that worked for Prince saying he told them to come and get their stuff out of Paisley 7 days before he died because they would have problems getting the stuff later. Does that sound like he was planning to go on tour or to a rehab? Why are you ignoring what his sister has said and how did he get a 65k expense on his inventory sheet for 2016. Was the medical expense for illegal drugs. | |
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I don't give the shit Tyka said no credit, she could've meant anything. Just stay to what's really going on in your head. You simply can't deal with the fact that it was an accident and you can't deal with the possibility that Prince had a problem with pain killers because it doesn't fit in to picture of a clean lifestyle.
But guess what, it happens all the time. I've witnessed many times that the most controlling people had the most problems. They try their best to put on a show, telling people that everything is good, because they can't accept their own failures. I think his fans could've accept it if he straight out said: "I have a problem" well most of them. But you seem to be one of them fans who'd think bad about him, because he wasn't able to practice what he preached. | |
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I had read an article the other day, this dude OD on fentanyl pills. His parents helpd all the could, but their son could not beat the addicition. I say this, because when he was discovered, he was sitting down trying to tie his shoes, that his how fast this overcame him. I bring this up cos it reminds me of the description of Prince on the plane. Maybe ya'll have stumbled onto something. | |
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we have any number of health issues as we age, i think the 65K could have been for anything from meds to lower his cholesterol to checkup expenses to lab test or prostate exams maybe even a tour dr. he was probably a self pay patient and didn't use insurance for his day to day medical expenses. my conclusion above doesn't account for coincidences that may point to other theories. i am not at all doubting anything his family or Tyka has said, felt or believe or even the possiblity that he was ill from something else.
i can't answer the tour or rehab question, i just feel what i posted, reflects what i feel happened from Atlanta to 4/21.
* Speaking of which, a side, note my neighbors sister was the Rollingstones Tour dr 2 summers ago. she was there to make sure they didn't die i guess. she had a few cool stories. | |
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i agree sonshine with the bolded. and yes, i think the last question of how he aquired them, is the only reason the investigation is still open. | |
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Well you better give a shit because she is going to say more in a book. Then what are you going to say? She meant what she said and it was pretty clear. I have never said he was not using pain killers but I am not so sure it was all an accident. Too many coincendences to many things planned ahead.
I think he was able to practice what he preached based on his work ethic and what he was able to get done. No life long drug addict on the first of this earth has ever been that successful and I think people like you who cannot separate the different between recerational drug use and drugs for pain that have been over prescribed are taking their own issues with drugs and projecting on to other people.
I find people who have no control over their own life usually have an issue with people who do. Prince did not die with massive debt, baby mommas, arrest record, or allegations of being abusive toward everybody. I would say for a 50 something year old black man he controlled himself very well but was not immune to getting old and having health problems just like anyone else on the planet. I do not think badly of him at all especially if he took matters into his own hands to end pain and suffering rather it be from suicide or just deciding to medicate. You do not get to tell someone how much pain they have to endure. | |
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I have older people in my famlily and I help them with their medical bills and medicare issues. I can assure you none of these things would run up that sort of bill.
Even meds or routine checks up as a self payer he would have had to have been getting massive amounts of meds ( massive amounts of legit meds were not found at PP) or check up everyday.
If he was getting continual checks ups and picking up meds from January to April something was seriously wrong with his health. | |
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I'm not gonna give a fuck now, I won't give a fuck if the book comes out. She didn't say any relevant stuff, she only beat around the bush to make promotion for the book. What she wants to reveal could've been said in the interview, the radio interview was live, so no worries about people turning the words in her mouth
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Should anyone be in any doubt as to how addictive opiates are, here's a good illustrative link
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i can see your points. i also think 65k is a fair amount to keep any dr. paid for periodic calls about what is aling someone or house calls. it could have been a retainer so he could call and have treat him when he had a cold,maybe felt seizures coming, bad sore throat, or hip pain or call in an Rx, etc.
* But i think Atlanta/Moline-4/21 is simple. | |
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it is ok to be the turtle in the race. slow, steady. Breathe. | |
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I have a co-worker that spent a day and a half in the hospital a few months ago for hip replacment. The bill for the hospital stay and the surgery was 45k. I have a family member who had a stoke six months ago and was in the hospital for a week with treatment to bring down the swelling on their brain and the bill was 50k.
I really think the medical expense was for some sort of treatment. Does not have to be terminal if he had joint pain he might have been going for physical therepy perhaps having some come to PP and do the therepy at home. | |
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Yes, she is going to put out a book with blank pages! With nothing relevant in it. Interviews can be edited and I certainly did not see or hear that interview live. In fact the vast majoritiy of the world did not see or hear it live. You need to seriously put on your thinking cap.
Tyka is going to inherit a nice chuck of change and no book she writes is going to make her more than what she will get from her inheritence. Your " I want Prince to be the poster boy for pain pill abuse" dreams maybe coming to an end.
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Yeah, but medical charges can be different. Did these people you listed have medical insurance? If so, then the insurance company will regulate the charges. If Prince did not have medical coverage, his bill may be higher than someone with coverage for the exact same procedures/treatement. | |
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What's the difference between drinking wine to get a buzz, taking a few hits off a joint, inhaling a little cocaine, or taking an extra pill with the same intention? Three are legal (with restrictions such as age, legitimate prescription, etc) and one isn't. If you found out he'd been using & sometimes abusing opiates for 20+ years sporadically, and wrote your favorite song under the influence, would he be less to you? My personal opinion is he had pain off & on for 20+ years & sometimes misused them. I believe he had legitimate reasons to be in pain as well. Jmo The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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The family member with the stroke did not have insurance. I also had a cousin with no insurance who had to have chemo for terminal cancer. He had a pain bag and his bills still top 50k.
This is true that his bill would be higher but he would not have been able to rack up this type of bill in four months for routine physicals for someone his age. He also may have had insurance from SAG or the musicians union.
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laurarichardson said: Yes, she is going to put out a book with blank pages! With nothing relevant in it. Interviews can be edited and I certainly did not see or hear that interview live. In fact the vast majoritiy of the world did not see or hear it live. You need to seriously put on your thinking cap.
Tyka is going to inherit a nice chuck of change and no book she writes is going to make her more than what she will get from her inheritence. Your " I want Prince to be the poster boy for pain pill abuse" dreams maybe coming to an end.
[Edited 12/13/17 13:14pm] [Edited 12/13/17 13:15pm] My opinion is he had issues with pain & pain meds but I truly doubt, with everything P did, he's going to be remembered as the poster boy for pill abuse. No matter the narrative the media portrays, P was such a genius & so prolific he will be remembered for the music we've all been blessed enough to hear. The media is fickle anyway, it's the $s not the truth that matters to them. The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul | |
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He was not abusing no opiates for no 20 years off and on or straight. He was getting too much work done. It is just not possible. Take a look at Matthew Perry. He was on pain pills and alcohol and he looks like hell in the face. He can even remember being on the show and describes his behavior.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-matthew-perry-forgot-three-years-of-friends
While it’s a safe bet, then, that Perry’s problems with prescriptions contributed to his behavior on set—he told People that he was “sleepy and shaky at work”—
Prince's last assistant who worked with him in last 2015 said he worked no less than 100 hours a week and that she quit because she could not keep up with him. She is adament that the person she spent up to a 100 hours a week with was not doing it high and that something must have happened with his health after she left. She is one of about 2 dozen people who have said things along this line. No one can be sued for defamation so were are the abusive drug addict stories.
He had an Rx for these meds and perhaps the need for them long term took a toll on his health. It happens to people with legit Rx all the time. People need these meds because they are in pain and have no choice. | |
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. Thank you for your informative and thoughful post! . It breaks my heart to think for one second that Prince was in such a bad physical state. If he was this bad, I just do not understand why he didn't get the help he needed. I do not judge him at all. I only say this from a place of love, as if I was his sister. I'm so sorry he had to endure such pain.
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. But, the reports state that his O/D in Moline was Percocet (prescribed in KJs name).
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. Laura: Where is your source that Chazz said the camera's were removed?
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. Laura: You known damn well that Tyka isn't going to discuss Prince's death in her book. She's not going to tell us anything that we don't already know. Prince's death is still an open homicide investigation, so is she going to publish the investigator's findings??
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. Thank You!! . Tyka is just waving a carrot in everyone's faces so they will buy her book. She's not going to disclose more information than the Carver County Sheriff has.
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. Thanks, Fortune for putting that out there. Nicotine is highly-addictive and the toughest habit to break. My Mother smoked all of her life and it was hard for her to stop. I watched her health decline; she suffered a long time and succumbed to COPD/emphesyma in 2014. And now I support the American Lung Association to help those with lung disease.
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