laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Mmm, mmm, mmm. Not sure if you really wanted to bring up that screen shot. Some of us may have a bit more information than is being revealed.


As in: Who , when, where and why.

* But , alas, you put it out there. Preparation, whether that day, or another day unrelated to an accidental overdose, was inevitable. All will be revealed, Time is short.

I know of two and I am bringing them up. I do not understand your cryptic comments. At this point just spill what you know.

Who are we starting with first? NPG or ... What's it gonna be?

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I've read somewhere, just in the last few days, that it was on the upper level.

I wonder if he didn't take those when he was dropped off that night on his way in to PP and took the elevator up to his pad & perhaps passed away before he made it up.

Also the clothes that he was described wearing sound like the ones he was wearing at Walgreens. Maybe he didn't change clothes and had them on backwards even when he went out that afternoon/evening.

—- He was dropped off at 8:00 pm and they said he had been dead for at least six hours.

That would make it about 14 hours from the time he was dropped off to the time they found him. He could've been dead for up to 14 hours, then. But we do know for certain it was at least 6. That would make it around 2-3am. Didn't he talk to Will Smith that night? Do you happen to remember the approx. time?

fortuneandserendipity said:

PennyPurple said:

If this nonsense doesn't stop on this thread, this thread will be shut down. All the info, the links, research, everything will be lost. If none of you care, then please continue on.

Several of us have told you our opinion, but some of YOU haven't told us yours. Menes, Bodhi, F&S, what's your opinion on what took place. Please don't talk in riddles, or tongues. Just spit it out.

With more info that we get, the more one's mind can change. I know one day, I think it's AIDS, the next cancer, the next suicide, the next accident. It just depends on what I see and hear and try to put together.

Well it wouldn't be unlike you to talk about shutting down a thread, now would it? And shut if down for what? Because you don't have answers you so desperately desire ,TODAY?

If you are wavering on what you believe happened, you should examine why that is. Further, as you have told many orgers in the past, "if you don't like the thread, or do not wish to participate, you can always bypass it". These are your words.

You are always welcome to spell out your own conclusion on the matter . No one is stopping you from doing that.

[Edited 11/30/17 13:42pm]

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Yea. Read it again. It will come to you. You won't get a thing accomplished unless you take your time and read why something is written and the context therein. Whats' the big hurry?

I am totally confused and perplexed. It seems to me that Menes and LR you both agree or leans towards suicide. Somehow Menes is painting the suicide as somehow darker. Like somehow there are suicide levels and somehow we/me aren’t thinking Deeper or sinister enough. I am not getting how you both are thinking suicide Yet aren’t in agreement. What the heck??? Thanks for all your research both of you, but Menes you have gone cyptic and I am kinda lost. Help!! Anyone else lost?

They've already said further up in this thread they believe Prince had pills specially made to commit suicide with.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Pot kettle black. You have a PhD in stereotyping btw. If you give it out you've gotta be prepared to take it.

—Give me an example because I am not the equating Louisanna natives with voodoo. Please do not give me any nosense about people who abuse drugs being sterotyped certain behaviors come with certain issues and no one has provided evidence of those behaviors for years by Prince. I do not think Voodoo gave him super human powers to abuse pills for 20 years and have no effect on his productivity.

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Voodoo aside...We do know that Prince's spiritual beliefs were complex and continually evolving. We also know that he had a penchant for being cryptic / sending hidden messages to people via his lyrics and imagery - but 'You Got-ta Look' (the lyrics in his suitcase).
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In short, I wouldn't put it past him to have put his black ensemble on backwards deliberately, to signify his intentions, perhaps.
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morningsong said:

Dibblekins said:

purplefam99 said:

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Yes I agree if your objective is to inform the layperson then please Do so, but at this point it feels like you just trying to one up The other guy while remaining a vague as possible. I’m totally lost To the point of the start of the thread, I thought at one point I was getting something now I’m watching a magic show.

Purplefam99, so you have convinced yourself that you're watching a magic show? Is that it? You think this is about "one up the other guy"? Is that it too?

When you read my response in post #735 to Paul (when he asked the direct question), I want you to tell us what you feel since you seem to think you understand what is being done. It wasn't good enough for Paul then , so you may agree just the same. If you're going to piggy back off of what other people say, make sure you know why you are jumping on the bandwagon. You've done this before so there is a small pattern developing here.

Some of us are well equipped to respond to unsubstantiated claims.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: I know of two and I am bringing them up. I do not understand your cryptic comments. At this point just spill what you know.

Who are we starting with first? NPG or ... What's it gonna be?

Too hot to touch right now? We can revisit when the time is right. I know you know how this ends.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

If this nonsense doesn't stop on this thread, this thread will be shut down. All the info, the links, research, everything will be lost. If none of you care, then please continue on.

Several of us have told you our opinion, but some of YOU haven't told us yours. Menes, Bodhi, F&S, what's your opinion on what took place. Please don't talk in riddles, or tongues. Just spit it out.

With more info that we get, the more one's mind can change. I know one day, I think it's AIDS, the next cancer, the next suicide, the next accident. It just depends on what I see and hear and try to put together.

Well it wouldn't be unlike you to talk about shutting down a thread, now would it? And shut if down for what? Because you don't have answers you so desperately desire ,TODAY?

If you are wavering on what you believe happened, you should examine why that is. Further, as you have told many orgers in the past, "if you don't like the thread, or do not wish to participate, you can always bypass it". These are your words.

You are always welcome to spell out your own conclusion on the matter . No one is stopping you from doing that.

[Edited 11/30/17 13:42pm]

You are hijacking your own thread Menes. Why?

What exactly is your opinion on P's death, Menes? Please do tell us. We've given our opinion, and you continually beat them down, but what is YOUR opinion on how he died and why?

I don't mind the thread at all, I'm very interested in it. It's the backbiting and ganging up on people that I can't understand.

So you know so much, let it rip, spit it out.

laurarichardson said:

Well the backwards clothes came from media reports so we do not know if it is true . We do know he was wearing black clothes for many months which I took as being symbolic concerning death and we know from Tyka he put something in that e-mail about death.

Do you recall a poster called Olivia Cameron?
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She actually called the reporter who had first described the backwards clothes - and if I recall correctly, he was adamant it was the truth / had come from a legitimate source.

It boils down to the ME's ruling of "accident" "fentanyl toxicity" over "suicide". IF a large quantity of pills was ingested, the ME would have had to rule "suicide", n'est-ce pas? As for the backward clothing, it does seem like a Prince thing to do (along the lines of coughing in the Raspberry Beret vid. Everyone is still discussing it to this day.). The choice of black is also consistent with his attention to detail as...how to put it delicately... certain bodily functions take place upon death. Perhaps the Moline incident gave him an indication that this batch wasn't what it was supposed to be and he knew he was playing Russian Roulette?

laurarichardson said:

Misslink88 said:

The suicide angle does seem plausible in some respects. I've seen material from insiders that would indicate he was somehow preparing people but then the question of leaving no will comes in. Possibly he didn't care but his meticulousness in everything else doesn't really support it; possibly he was terminally ill and chose his own time. As I mentioned about the levels in his system in another post, the tox report only gives the amounts but not the quantity ingested.

He was preparing for something and it was not a short trip to rehab.

The no will thing is very simple. He had a place to stream his music, he had an LLC for the publishing, he had a licensing deal with WB with some CDs being licensed forvever, and he sent out directions for Paisley Park and had already started turning it into a museum before he died.

He saw the mess with Ray Charles and James Brown's estates and he knew his older sibs were greedy nut cakes. He avoided all of it by putting it in the hands of the courts who quite frankly seem to be managing some of his estate well despite the efforts of his sibs and LM to raid the piggy bank for themselves.

Keep in mind a year and a half later that WB deal is in tact, material is still on Tidal, and the museum is open. Not perfect but if he had left a will these fools would be contesting and nothing would be getting done much like the Ray Charles and James Brown estates.

Certainly sounds plausible. Another thing I was thinking about was his purposely leaving out the JW's without seeming to do so.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

If this nonsense doesn't stop on this thread, this thread will be shut down. All the info, the links, research, everything will be lost. If none of you care, then please continue on.

Several of us have told you our opinion, but some of YOU haven't told us yours. Menes, Bodhi, F&S, what's your opinion on what took place. Please don't talk in riddles, or tongues. Just spit it out.

With more info that we get, the more one's mind can change. I know one day, I think it's AIDS, the next cancer, the next suicide, the next accident. It just depends on what I see and hear and try to put together.

Well it wouldn't be unlike you to talk about shutting down a thread, now would it? And shut if down for what? Because you don't have answers you so desperately desire ,TODAY?

If you are wavering on what you believe happened, you should examine why that is. Further, as you have told many orgers in the past, "if you don't like the thread, or do not wish to participate, you can always bypass it". These are your words.

You are always welcome to spell out your own conclusion on the matter . No one is stopping you from doing that.

[Edited 11/30/17 13:42pm]

Love you Penny but I resent the SHIT out of your comment. I have been making my opinion CRYSTAL CLEAR on numerous threads for more than a year and getting my brains beaten in regularly for it. FU

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Well it wouldn't be unlike you to talk about shutting down a thread, now would it? And shut if down for what? Because you don't have answers you so desperately desire ,TODAY?

If you are wavering on what you believe happened, you should examine why that is. Further, as you have told many orgers in the past, "if you don't like the thread, or do not wish to participate, you can always bypass it". These are your words.

You are always welcome to spell out your own conclusion on the matter . No one is stopping you from doing that.

[Edited 11/30/17 13:42pm]

You are hijacking your own thread Menes. Why?

What exactly is your opinion on P's death, Menes? Please do tell us. We've given our opinion, and you continually beat them down, but what is YOUR opinion on how he died and why?

I don't mind the thread at all, I'm very interested in it. It's the backbiting and ganging up on people that I can't understand.

So you know so much, let it rip, spit it out.

Lol. Hijacking?

How did I beat down your opinion, PennyPurple? Do tell. Do you mean with scientific facts and math? Is that considered a beat down?

If you don't mind the thread, and are interested in it, post away. Lay out your case. I really don't know what you believe and I have never asked. There are all sorts of opinions flying around in the thread. If it has something to do with math or science, I interject and use factual evidence to either confirm or discredit what was said. This is an open thread, not a closed debate or private session. The public see this.

Who is ganging up on who? What are you talking about? People have a right to defend themselves however they see fit.

Why don't you do it the way you want and what I can do is if something scientifically or mathematically doesn't make sense , I can chime in . How does that sound to you , Penny?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Well it wouldn't be unlike you to talk about shutting down a thread, now would it? And shut if down for what? Because you don't have answers you so desperately desire ,TODAY?

If you are wavering on what you believe happened, you should examine why that is. Further, as you have told many orgers in the past, "if you don't like the thread, or do not wish to participate, you can always bypass it". These are your words.

You are always welcome to spell out your own conclusion on the matter . No one is stopping you from doing that.

[Edited 11/30/17 13:42pm]

Love you Penny but I resent the SHIT out of your comment. I have been making my opinion CRYSTAL CLEAR on numerous threads for more than a year and getting my brains beaten in regularly for it. FU

Yeah, and I've been the one holding up for your ass too. FU

Misslink88 said:

laurarichardson said:

He was preparing for something and it was not a short trip to rehab.

The no will thing is very simple. He had a place to stream his music, he had an LLC for the publishing, he had a licensing deal with WB with some CDs being licensed forvever, and he sent out directions for Paisley Park and had already started turning it into a museum before he died.

He saw the mess with Ray Charles and James Brown's estates and he knew his older sibs were greedy nut cakes. He avoided all of it by putting it in the hands of the courts who quite frankly seem to be managing some of his estate well despite the efforts of his sibs and LM to raid the piggy bank for themselves.

Keep in mind a year and a half later that WB deal is in tact, material is still on Tidal, and the museum is open. Not perfect but if he had left a will these fools would be contesting and nothing would be getting done much like the Ray Charles and James Brown estates.

Certainly sounds plausible. Another thing I was thinking about was his purposely leaving out the JW's without seeming to do so.

Menes, I love your thread, I love your facts, I love all the thought out posts and research YOU have done. I just don't want to see this thread get thrown away over difference of opinions. I would hate to lose these links, and the research, that I'm sure took you hours to do, thrown away. You didn't beat down my opinion, hell my opinion changes every day. LOL

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

You are hijacking your own thread Menes. Why?

What exactly is your opinion on P's death, Menes? Please do tell us. We've given our opinion, and you continually beat them down, but what is YOUR opinion on how he died and why?

I don't mind the thread at all, I'm very interested in it. It's the backbiting and ganging up on people that I can't understand.

So you know so much, let it rip, spit it out.

Lol. Hijacking?

How did I beat down your opinion, PennyPurple? Do tell. Do you mean with scientific facts and math? Is that considered a beat down?

If you don't mind the thread, and are interested in it, post away. Lay out your case. I really don't know what you believe and I have never asked. There are all sorts of opinions flying around in the thread. If it has something to do with math or science, I interject and use factual evidence to either confirm or discredit what was said. This is an open thread, not a closed debate or private session. The public see this.

Who is ganging up on who? What are you talking about? People have a right to defend themselves however they see fit.

Why don't you do it the way you want and what I can do is if something scientifically or mathematically doesn't make sense , I can chime in . How does that sound to you , Penny?

Misslink88 said:

It boils down to the ME's ruling of "accident" "fentanyl toxicity" over "suicide". IF a large quantity of pills was ingested, the ME would have had to rule "suicide", n'est-ce pas? As for the backward clothing, it does seem like a Prince thing to do (along the lines of coughing in the Raspberry Beret vid. Everyone is still discussing it to this day.). The choice of black is also consistent with his attention to detail as...how to put it delicately... certain bodily functions take place upon death. Perhaps the Moline incident gave him an indication that this batch wasn't what it was supposed to be and he knew he was playing Russian Roulette?

I wish it was that black and white re: accident vs. suicide. They are some serious restrictions. Interpretations can vary between each single examiner in the field. You're headed in the right direction though.

PennyPurple said:

Menes, I love your thread, I love your facts, I love all the thought out posts and research YOU have done. I just don't want to see this thread get thrown away over difference of opinions. I would hate to lose these links, and the research, that I'm sure took you hours to do, thrown away. You didn't beat down my opinion, hell my opinion changes every day. LOL

Menes said:

Lol. Hijacking?

How did I beat down your opinion, PennyPurple? Do tell. Do you mean with scientific facts and math? Is that considered a beat down?

If you don't mind the thread, and are interested in it, post away. Lay out your case. I really don't know what you believe and I have never asked. There are all sorts of opinions flying around in the thread. If it has something to do with math or science, I interject and use factual evidence to either confirm or discredit what was said. This is an open thread, not a closed debate or private session. The public see this.

Who is ganging up on who? What are you talking about? People have a right to defend themselves however they see fit.

Why don't you do it the way you want and what I can do is if something scientifically or mathematically doesn't make sense , I can chime in . How does that sound to you , Penny?

It is of no consequence to me . I will deal with the science and math parts only. Unless of course, someone tempts me just right to put that other business out there.

I thought LR was going there for a minute but she slinkered off somewhere. No one has to tug on my ears to guide me . I know exactly where I'm going and what I'm doing.

For the sake of not sounding too "cryptic" for some of you, I will deal with the science and math parts only. Those are the most critical anyway. I suspect that because it is a long and arduous process , the patience has worn thin for the answers. Ha, imagine what I've been going thru. You never thought about that, have you?

See, its kinda like a drug. When you don't get the proper dose, you want blood. If I dont up the dosage, you want the soul.

All yours.

Menes said:

Misslink88 said:

It boils down to the ME's ruling of "accident" "fentanyl toxicity" over "suicide". IF a large quantity of pills was ingested, the ME would have had to rule "suicide", n'est-ce pas? As for the backward clothing, it does seem like a Prince thing to do (along the lines of coughing in the Raspberry Beret vid. Everyone is still discussing it to this day.). The choice of black is also consistent with his attention to detail as...how to put it delicately... certain bodily functions take place upon death. Perhaps the Moline incident gave him an indication that this batch wasn't what it was supposed to be and he knew he was playing Russian Roulette?

I wish it was that black and white re: accident vs. suicide. They are some serious restrictions. Interpretations can vary between each single examiner in the field. You're headed in the right direction though.

These are the only conclusions I can come to based on the info that's available. If you've got some other info not available to the general public, then you are at an advantage.

Misslink88 said:

Menes said:

I wish it was that black and white re: accident vs. suicide. They are some serious restrictions. Interpretations can vary between each single examiner in the field. You're headed in the right direction though.

These are the only conclusions I can come to based on the info that's available. If you've got some other info not available to the general public, then you are at an advantage.

There is no advantage. The information you seek regarding accident vs. suicide, is general and readily avialable. It has been discussed on the org so many times that some of us could probably recite it backwards to you. What is required is the patience to go find it. Ask around, someone will point it out to you . Penny, probably has it.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Love you Penny but I resent the SHIT out of your comment. I have been making my opinion CRYSTAL CLEAR on numerous threads for more than a year and getting my brains beaten in regularly for it. FU

Yeah, and I've been the one holding up for your ass too. FU

I'm sorry Penny, I went off the deep end. You are absolutely correct, you have been very supportive to me and I am grateful. Please forgive me.

Menes said:

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

paulludvig said: Yes I agree if your objective is to inform the layperson then please Do so, but at this point it feels like you just trying to one up The other guy while remaining a vague as possible. I’m totally lost To the point of the start of the thread, I thought at one point I was getting something now I’m watching a magic show.

Purplefam99, so you have convinced yourself that you're watching a magic show? Is that it? You think this is about "one up the other guy"? Is that it too?

When you read my response in post #735 to Paul (when he asked the direct question), I want you to tell us what you feel since you seem to think you understand what is being done. It wasn't good enough for Paul then , so you may agree just the same. If you're going to piggy back off of what other people say, make sure you know why you are jumping on the bandwagon. You've done this before so there is a small pattern developing here.

Some of us are well equipped to respond to unsubstantiated claims.

i am not understanding why i at first thought your cause of death facts were to conclude suicide, which i think possible.

but somehow reading what you type it seems like your suggesting something bigger than suicide but yet and still

suicide. that is the part the inuendo that is escaping me and perhaps Paul. No one is piggybacking

just because they agree or reply in someones post. i am honestly trying to understand and wanna

be clear as to the points people are making so i agree and ask for clarity when i need it, most here gladly

offer clarity when asked and i appreciate the time they and you have taken the time to do so and not taken offense.

Relevance... what you want to say/think; what people are interested in.

Hypothesis. It starts here. It is your starting point based on limited information. It should not be confused with truth, or full and complete data. This is your spring board. You cannot start any analysis from the middle of a thing and discard the root of the thing you are analyzing.

Prior to us analyzing the warrants, the information was limited. The information became tainted with individualized goals. These individualized goals formed the basis of thoughts because a medical examiner released one public data form . The form was scant. Naked. It was all we had that confirmed what the press was saying. The information was not released in its complete form and hence, created even more confusion and doubt. There was no way to support that whatever you guessed happened , could be more accurate than what that form said. For most, it was sufficient and settled science. For others who believed that there was more information, the challenge was to demonstrate that although a piece of paper said "x', there were too many other variables to consider. The ME cannot determine any such variable when specific pre-determined guidelines have been set forth by a licensed body of bureaucrats.

Scientific hypothesis. You have these warrants and you begin to see a clearer picture. Some conclude "x" by historical experimentation( their own personal stories), others, by scientific observation and analysis. It's the common if "x" happened, then "y" must be the answer.


My initial thought was that Prince was an addict and that was the end of it. Some of you would remember the threads I participated in back in April, 2016. They were not pretty, and I belabored the point of a drug addict, incessantly. I had no other information to go on other than he "overdosed' on Fentanyl. I concluded that if you overdosed on Fentanyl, you were an addict. The main points of contention back then, were initially between those that sat in the 'Prince the addict bleacher seats vs. Prince with the terminal illness bleacher seats'. It was brutal back then. There was no give. It was Aids vs pills, cancer vs heroin , chronic hip pain vs.Percocets. Soon after , murder reared its ugly head. It was a disaster. Weaves were getting pulled out left and right round these parts. I remember one poster , Olivia. She was adamant that Prince was murdered at least (7 )different times for each day of the week. The poor thing was subsequently banned. You would have blown a gasket if you were participating back then. I think I might have had a flashback to those days when Linc from Modsquad( aka Mule) brought up the murder business a few days ago. Some of the newbies who think this is bad now, have no idea. We had to save paragraphs every minute because threads were getting shut down /hidden so fast. Moderators were getting attacked so bad that O4FS needed a special forces protection unit to walk around in here with. It has been this way for some time. At least since April, 2016.


Methods used:

I had the leaked warrants in my possession for some time. I had to make a decision. I wanted to be wrong about so many things. The search began by simply researching every single drug in the warrant. It was pain staking. Many months I sat and took down notes, made calls, researched, calculated, and eventually, I was able to put a chart together. This chart consists of times, locations, type of drugs, their properties, how and why each drug would be used, statements concerning the drugs, , and lastly, the man himself as represented in the warrants. It is a long chart with many pages.

I then doubled back with the "sourced" information and created a secondary chart. The only news outlet I used for secondary sourcing, was the Star Tribune. There was only one reporter I followed over there. Wherever he went, I shadowed him. I combined both charts and started to see a pattern. This could not be my simplified version of Prince, the drug addict, back in April , 2016. They were too many layers. The word itself (addict) is identified with "street" , "fiend" , "junkie", etc. This was someone who had to have planned. This wasn't as simple as a "word of the day" puzzle I needed to solve. That's the easy way out for such a complicated person. Prince the addict. It's solves everything. If you believe that he woke up one day and decided to order up some Fentanyl for that night, ask yourself who is Prince to you? If you believe that after he almost died seven days prior that, he would risk death in such a quick amount of time simply because he made a mistake with the dosing, or picked a deadly pill out of a batch by mistake, ask yourself who is Prince to you? Is he that fiend? Is he that dumb? Is he that simple? Could the typical addict do this much prior planning yet not remember the results of an overdose? These were the burning questions. There was no escaping or denying what I understood. This person had to have diligently seeked out every bit of information I was seeking myself in order to trust his life with it over and over again. Coupled that with keeping any of this a secret, this did not appear to be a one and off scenario. This is repetitive behavior. I was left with two nasty choices to ponder on. Either he was the most undercover pathological dope fiend, or, someone who understood exactly what he was doing. How is that for "cryptic"?

I began to research motive. Who did this? Why? What sort of analysis would I have to do to understand the motive for having so many substances at your disposal. Calls were made, research done, and yes, another chart was created. This was the hardest and longest one. It would mean that I would have to dive into the psyche of the person himself. I had to get to know Prince all over again. I had to start from scratch. I needed history . I needed statements. I needed his own words, his own pictures, live shots, his demeanor, his personality, his environment. It was pain-staking. In addition, I had to understand who those were around him really were. A grueling task for sure.

Everything changed. I began to soften my position (which is not easy)and saw something else. I wasn't sympathetic ,but I was now cognizant of something else. It was more than what I thought and no less than what he wanted.

Hope that wasn't too "cryptic".

I leave with this: Just when you thought you knew...

Menes said:

Relevance... what you want to say/think; what people are interested in.

Hypothesis. It starts here. It is your starting point based on limited information. It should not be confused with truth, or full and complete data. This is your spring board. You cannot start any analysis from the middle of a thing and discard the root of the thing you are analyzing.

Prior to us analyzing the warrants, the information was limited. The information became tainted with individualized goals. These individualized goals formed the basis of thoughts because a medical examiner released one public data form . The form was scant. Naked. It was all we had that confirmed what the press was saying. The information was not released in its complete form and hence, created even more confusion and doubt. There was no way to support that whatever you guessed happened , could be more accurate than what that form said. For most, it was sufficient and settled science. For others who believed that there was more information, the challenge was to demonstrate that although a piece of paper said "x', there were too many other variables to consider. The ME cannot determine any such variable when specific pre-determined guidelines have been set forth by a licensed body of bureaucrats.

Scientific hypothesis. You have these warrants and you begin to see a clearer picture. Some conclude "x" by historical experimentation( their own personal stories), others, by scientific observation and analysis. It's the common if "x" happened, then "y" must be the answer.


My initial thought was that Prince was an addict and that was the end of it. Some of you would remember the threads I participated in back in April, 2016. They were not pretty, and I belabored the point of a drug addict, incessantly. I had no other information to go on other than he "overdosed' on Fentanyl. I concluded that if you overdosed on Fentanyl, you were an addict. The main points of contention back then, were initially between those that sat in the 'Prince the addict bleacher seats vs. Prince with the terminal illness bleacher seats'. It was brutal back then. There was no give. It was Aids vs pills, cancer vs heroin , chronic hip pain vs.Percocets. Soon after , murder reared its ugly head. It was a disaster. Weaves were getting pulled out left and right round these parts. I remember one poster , Olivia. She was adamant that Prince was murdered at least (7 )different times for each day of the week. The poor thing was subsequently banned. You would have blown a gasket if you were participating back then. I think I might have had a flashback to those days when Linc from Modsquad( aka Mule) brought up the murder business a few days ago. Some of the newbies who think this is bad now, have no idea. We had to save paragraphs every minute because threads were getting shut down /hidden so fast. Moderators were getting attacked so bad that O4FS needed a special forces protection unit to walk around in here with. It has been this way for some time. At least since April, 2016.


Methods used:

I had the leaked warrants in my possession for some time. I had to make a decision. I wanted to be wrong about so many things. The search began by simply researching every single drug in the warrant. It was pain staking. Many months I sat and took down notes, made calls, researched, calculated, and eventually, I was able to put a chart together. This chart consists of times, locations, type of drugs, their properties, how and why each drug would be used, statements concerning the drugs, , and lastly, the man himself as represented in the warrants. It is a long chart with many pages.

I then doubled back with the "sourced" information and created a secondary chart. The only news outlet I used for secondary sourcing, was the Star Tribune. There was only one reporter I followed over there. Wherever he went, I shadowed him. I combined both charts and started to see a pattern. This could not be my simplified version of Prince, the drug addict, back in April , 2016. They were too many layers. The word itself (addict) is identified with "street" , "fiend" , "junkie", etc. This was someone who had to have planned. This wasn't as simple as a "word of the day" puzzle I needed to solve. That's the easy way out for such a complicated person. Prince the addict. It's solves everything. If you believe that he woke up one day and decided to order up some Fentanyl for that night, ask yourself who is Prince to you? If you believe that after he almost died seven days prior that, he would risk death in such a quick amount of time simply because he made a mistake with the dosing, or picked a deadly pill out of a batch by mistake, ask yourself who is Prince to you? Is he that fiend? Is he that dumb? Is he that simple? Could the typical addict do this much prior planning yet not remember the results of an overdose? These were the burning questions. There was no escaping or denying what I understood. This person had to have diligently seeked out every bit of information I was seeking myself in order to trust his life with it over and over again. Coupled that with keeping any of this a secret, this did not appear to be a one and off scenario. This is repetitive behavior. I was left with two nasty choices to ponder on. Either he was the most undercover pathological dope fiend, or, someone who understood exactly what he was doing. How is that for "cryptic"?

I began to research motive. Who did this? Why? What sort of analysis would I have to do to understand the motive for having so many substances at your disposal. Calls were made, research done, and yes, another chart was created. This was the hardest and longest one. It would mean that I would have to dive into the psyche of the person himself. I had to get to know Prince all over again. I had to start from scratch. I needed history . I needed statements. I needed his own words, his own pictures, live shots, his demeanor, his personality, his environment. It was pain-staking. In addition, I had to understand who those were around him really were. A grueling task for sure.

Everything changed. I began to soften my position (which is not easy)and saw something else. I wasn't sympathetic ,but I was now cognizant of something else. It was more than what I thought and no less than what he wanted.

Hope that wasn't too "cryptic".

I leave with this: Just when you thought you knew...

Dear Menes: My heart is filled with gratitude for you; and is breaking at the same time. If only...

[Edited 11/30/17 18:26pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Relevance... what you want to say/think; what people are interested in.

Hypothesis. It starts here. It is your starting point based on limited information. It should not be confused with truth, or full and complete data. This is your spring board. You cannot start any analysis from the middle of a thing and discard the root of the thing you are analyzing.

Prior to us analyzing the warrants, the information was limited. The information became tainted with individualized goals. These individualized goals formed the basis of thoughts because a medical examiner released one public data form . The form was scant. Naked. It was all we had that confirmed what the press was saying. The information was not released in its complete form and hence, created even more confusion and doubt. There was no way to support that whatever you guessed happened , could be more accurate than what that form said. For most, it was sufficient and settled science. For others who believed that there was more information, the challenge was to demonstrate that although a piece of paper said "x', there were too many other variables to consider. The ME cannot determine any such variable when specific pre-determined guidelines have been set forth by a licensed body of bureaucrats.

Scientific hypothesis. You have these warrants and you begin to see a clearer picture. Some conclude "x" by historical experimentation( their own personal stories), others, by scientific observation and analysis. It's the common if "x" happened, then "y" must be the answer.


My initial thought was that Prince was an addict and that was the end of it. Some of you would remember the threads I participated in back in April, 2016. They were not pretty, and I belabored the point of a drug addict, incessantly. I had no other information to go on other than he "overdosed' on Fentanyl. I concluded that if you overdosed on Fentanyl, you were an addict. The main points of contention back then, were initially between those that sat in the 'Prince the addict bleacher seats vs. Prince with the terminal illness bleacher seats'. It was brutal back then. There was no give. It was Aids vs pills, cancer vs heroin , chronic hip pain vs.Percocets. Soon after , murder reared its ugly head. It was a disaster. Weaves were getting pulled out left and right round these parts. I remember one poster , Olivia. She was adamant that Prince was murdered at least (7 )different times for each day of the week. The poor thing was subsequently banned. You would have blown a gasket if you were participating back then. I think I might have had a flashback to those days when Linc from Modsquad( aka Mule) brought up the murder business a few days ago. Some of the newbies who think this is bad now, have no idea. We had to save paragraphs every minute because threads were getting shut down /hidden so fast. Moderators were getting attacked so bad that O4FS needed a special forces protection unit to walk around in here with. It has been this way for some time. At least since April, 2016.


Methods used:

I had the leaked warrants in my possession for some time. I had to make a decision. I wanted to be wrong about so many things. The search began by simply researching every single drug in the warrant. It was pain staking. Many months I sat and took down notes, made calls, researched, calculated, and eventually, I was able to put a chart together. This chart consists of times, locations, type of drugs, their properties, how and why each drug would be used, statements concerning the drugs, , and lastly, the man himself as represented in the warrants. It is a long chart with many pages.

I then doubled back with the "sourced" information and created a secondary chart. The only news outlet I used for secondary sourcing, was the Star Tribune. There was only one reporter I followed over there. Wherever he went, I shadowed him. I combined both charts and started to see a pattern. This could not be my simplified version of Prince, the drug addict, back in April , 2016. They were too many layers. The word itself (addict) is identified with "street" , "fiend" , "junkie", etc. This was someone who had to have planned. This wasn't as simple as a "word of the day" puzzle I needed to solve. That's the easy way out for such a complicated person. Prince the addict. It's solves everything. If you believe that he woke up one day and decided to order up some Fentanyl for that night, ask yourself who is Prince to you? If you believe that after he almost died seven days prior that, he would risk death in such a quick amount of time simply because he made a mistake with the dosing, or picked a deadly pill out of a batch by mistake, ask yourself who is Prince to you? Is he that fiend? Is he that dumb? Is he that simple? Could the typical addict do this much prior planning yet not remember the results of an overdose? These were the burning questions. There was no escaping or denying what I understood. This person had to have diligently seeked out every bit of information I was seeking myself in order to trust his life with it over and over again. Coupled that with keeping any of this a secret, this did not appear to be a one and off scenario. This is repetitive behavior. I was left with two nasty choices to ponder on. Either he was the most undercover pathological dope fiend, or, someone who understood exactly what he was doing. How is that for "cryptic"?

I began to research motive. Who did this? Why? What sort of analysis would I have to do to understand the motive for having so many substances at your disposal. Calls were made, research done, and yes, another chart was created. This was the hardest and longest one. It would mean that I would have to dive into the psyche of the person himself. I had to get to know Prince all over again. I had to start from scratch. I needed history . I needed statements. I needed his own words, his own pictures, live shots, his demeanor, his personality, his environment. It was pain-staking. In addition, I had to understand who those were around him really were. A grueling task for sure.

Everything changed. I began to soften my position (which is not easy)and saw something else. I wasn't sympathetic ,but I was now cognizant of something else. It was more than what I thought and no less than what he wanted.

Hope that wasn't too "cryptic".

I leave with this: Just when you thought you knew...

Dear Menes: My heart is filled with gratitude for you; and is breaking at the same time. If only...

[Edited 11/30/17 18:26pm]

Thanks. It's all good . Maybe some will understand that I went thru a rather eye opening experience and had to throw away my own individual bias. I am not where I was a year ago and it is because I decided to take the road less traveled and go wherever the information was taking me. This is regardless of how bad I wanted to be done with it. I haven't listened to a Prince album since Sign O' the times. I really don't have any skin in the "Prince is my idol" mantra, nor the "Prince is the devil incarnate " .

A person asked me once, "what if he had Aids? My response was simple. So.

If you're emotionally invested in the man , the music, the look, the sexuality, I can imagine that it is a bit difficult to see him portrayed in a negative light. It must be a shock to the system. I've just learned to accept the information for what it is and continue to enjoy the music. I could care less if Prince was a Santeria priest dressed in drag who got high and fornicated with the gods. The music is too good.Too powerful. Hey, if that's what it took to get that kind of music, I'm not complaining.