fortuneandserendipity said:

Menes said:

Are you sure you don't remember what you wrote in the "chronic pain since when "thread?

As in: "You thought that a new illness came on and that he went too far with the pills and either accidentally killed himself or he did it on purpose". This would mean that you believe that there is a possibility that he committed suicide just the same as you believe he accidentally killed himself. What is the difference in what we are saying here? Seems like you might need to examine a few things .

She used to dismiss the suicide theory out of hand, believing that the pills which killed him were either mistakenly mislabelled or deliberately mislabelled by somebody with the intention to kill.

I guess you missed the part about the screen shots I saw. Keep it up you are on a roll today with not knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Are you sure you don't remember what you wrote in the "chronic pain since when "thread?

As in: "You thought that a new illness came on and that he went too far with the pills and either accidentally killed himself or he did it on purpose". This would mean that you believe that there is a possibility that he committed suicide just the same as you believe he accidentally killed himself. What is the difference in what we are saying here? Seems like you might need to examine a few things .

I have stumbled across some screen shots since then and I definitly now think he did not care about his outcome that evening. I think he knew the end was coming and threw caution to the wind. He let the chips land were they were going to land.

I know longer believe that he accidently took these meds. I think he knew that if he keep shoveling pills in his mouth he was going to die as to if he knew it would due to Fentenyl not sure he knew that but he had a lot of different drugs in his system and ask your self if the Fentenyl was not in the pills if he would still be here.

There is enough evidence that he was not planning no short trip to rehab.

Darling, you are saying the same thing. It just takes you a bit longer to put it together because you get too emotional and forget what you said.

Read what you just wrote and tell me what you would conclude if you were anybody else reading it. I think it's a brilliant point. So there, a second compliment of the day.

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Watch Graffiti Bridge, in particular the ending for clues

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

This is a great question but you are not going to get an answer from the drug experts. It does not fit the stituation they have in their mind since Prince was not their patient they actually know nothing more then we do.

We know Prince had time to throw a party, talk for serveral hours to Tamron Hall, go for a bike ride, and attend a jazz show. We know numerous people looked him the face and say they noticed nothing. Some how he was going thru withdrawals and gravely ill in the last 7 days of his life but managed to not be clued to a toliet while withdrawing.

It never occurs to the drug expert that he may have been dealing with withdrawals ( something people in cirlce acknowledged to the police ) but also another illness making it nessarcy to stop using pain meds immedialty.

No one thinks it is strange that his doctor was bringing test results to him after Prince would have been out of a doctor's care overnight meaning he would not have been ready to be adminstered anything without a new round of test. Doctors usually bring you test results when they have bad news and we know Dr. S did not need to bring test to tell Prince he was a drug addict.

We know he did not have a 65k line item on his inventory sheet because he was buying illegal drugs or beause Dr. S's fees were really high.

But you know those of us who question are not experts.

[Edited 11/30/17 11:06am]

[Edited 11/30/17 11:16am]

If there was a way to make a scarecrow out of straw man arguments, then no question who would win the prize.

But your fries are burning and you need to put your clothes on backward to ward off the devil.

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Paul? Kindly remind fellow orgers of your contribution?

fortuneandserendipity said:

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Watch Graffiti Bridge, in particular the ending for clues

I'm not interested in clues. I would like to read what you think happened and why?

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Paul? Kindly remind fellow orgers of your contribution?

None. I have absolutely no idea what happened. I'm starting to believe that you don't know much about it either.

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Paul? Kindly remind fellow orgers of your contribution?

Smart ass response that adds nothing to the conversation.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

If there was a way to make a scarecrow out of straw man arguments, then no question who would win the prize.

But your fries are burning and you need to put your clothes on backward to ward off the devil.

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Paul? Kindly remind fellow orgers of your contribution?

None. I have absolutely no idea what happened. I'm starting to believe that you don't know much about it either.

Then stop asking me about it. You sit on the sidelines and beg for information as if you have a right to know. Then when you get it, if it's not sufficient enough for you, this is where we end up... You, whining for more. You are not entitled to anything. It's as simple as this.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

But your fries are burning and you need to put your clothes on backward to ward off the devil.

How are the fries and milkshakes today and devil worship going today.

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

None. I have absolutely no idea what happened. I'm starting to believe that you don't know much about it either.

Then stop asking me about it. You sit on the sidelines and beg for information as if you have a right to know. Then when you get it, if it's not sufficient enough for you, this is where we end up... You, whining for more. You are not entitled to anything. It's as simple as this.

I'm not entitled to anything. But why can't you say what you think happened?

laurarichardson said:

This is not addressed to you so do not worry yourself and it should be obvious that the letters fall under number 7. I guess working the fries at Mickey Ds makes it hard for you.

Someone who thinks Prince put his clothes on backward to ward off the Devil need not discuss brain power. Now do not let the fries burn.

Because you haven't attended reading comprehension classes yet, I'll copy paste my post to which you were referring below ...

Remember, I'm quoting someone - not verifying their words. There is a big difference to someone who has a brain. But it's worthy of inclusion regardless, because someone may be able to shed light, who doesn't have fascistic tendencies.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Astasheiks said:

To fortuneandserendipity... I still think all the clothes found on him were backwards, Sounds might fishy to me. If one is panicky of about to crook I can see maybe getting one of the items on backwards but all of them,,,,hhhhmmmm!

I quote to you what someone has told me since April '16.

All four of Prince’s grandparents as well as his parents came from New Orleans. Like most American cities with robust African-American populations, Voodoo, Obeah and Santeria are practiced, even by professing Christians. Even if not a follower of ‘the practices’, the symbols and ceremonies would be well known to any black family in New Orleans.

In all three belief systems, wearing clothing backwards is a well-known mechanism for warding off the Devil, de-elevator, whom Prince believed in and sang about.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

This is not addressed to you so do not worry yourself and it should be obvious that the letters fall under number 7. I guess working the fries at Mickey Ds makes it hard for you.

Someone who thinks Prince put his clothes on backward to ward off the Devil need not discuss brain power. Now do not let the fries burn.

Because you haven't attended reading comprehension classes yet, I'll copy paste my post to which you were referring below ...

Remember, I'm quoting someone - not verifying their words. There is a big difference to someone who has a brain. But it's worthy of inclusion regardless, because someone may be able to shed light, who doesn't have fascistic tendencies.

I quote to you what someone has told me since April '16.

All four of Prince’s grandparents as well as his parents came from New Orleans. Like most American cities with robust African-American populations, Voodoo, Obeah and Santeria are practiced, even by professing Christians. Even if not a follower of ‘the practices’, the symbols and ceremonies would be well known to any black family in New Orleans.

In all three belief systems, wearing clothing backwards is a well-known mechanism for warding off the Devil, de-elevator, whom Prince believed in and sang about.

It does not matter where it came from you decided to repeat it. That was your decision to add this nosense to the discussion. It has nothing to do with comprehension since you co-signed it.

The decision was not smart on your part but like most arrogant people it easy to call out other people out then to acknowledge your own foolishness. Next you will be discussing "Big Foots" and how his astrological sign was out of whack in April.

Now get back on the fries or get back on the topic.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I have stumbled across some screen shots since then and I definitly now think he did not care about his outcome that evening. I think he knew the end was coming and threw caution to the wind. He let the chips land were they were going to land.

I know longer believe that he accidently took these meds. I think he knew that if he keep shoveling pills in his mouth he was going to die as to if he knew it would due to Fentenyl not sure he knew that but he had a lot of different drugs in his system and ask your self if the Fentenyl was not in the pills if he would still be here.

There is enough evidence that he was not planning no short trip to rehab.

Darling, you are saying the same thing. It just takes you a bit longer to put it together because you get too emotional and forget what you said.

Read what you just wrote and tell me what you would conclude if you were anybody else reading it. I think it's a brilliant point. So there, a second compliment of the day.

She also does this thing of quoting someone else's words every time she changes her mind about something, but never giving credit. Bod has noticed the same thing. If only she had the intuition to realise her shortcomings.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Menes said:

Darling, you are saying the same thing. It just takes you a bit longer to put it together because you get too emotional and forget what you said.

Read what you just wrote and tell me what you would conclude if you were anybody else reading it. I think it's a brilliant point. So there, a second compliment of the day.

She also does this thing of quoting someone else's words every time she changes her mind about something, but never giving credit. Bod has noticed the same thing. If only she had the intuition to realise her shortcomings.

hope springs eternal...

fortuneandserendipity said:

Menes said:

Darling, you are saying the same thing. It just takes you a bit longer to put it together because you get too emotional and forget what you said.

Read what you just wrote and tell me what you would conclude if you were anybody else reading it. I think it's a brilliant point. So there, a second compliment of the day.

She also does this thing of quoting someone else's words every time she changes her mind about something, but never giving credit. Bod has noticed the same thing. If only she had the intuition to realise her shortcomings.

Who am quoting now.? All I did was repeat what Bod said about Prince having his underware custom made which they seem to think they have the copyright on.

I have already discussed the screen shot, the chefs screen shot and with a few people the Cee Lo green screen shot. This is only new to people who pay absolutly no attention to anything that does not fit their narrative.

Some of you ignore things that are obvious and spend countless bandwidth babbling on about different types of drugs and the fact that he was in withdrawals which has never been in question from the very beginning.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

She also does this thing of quoting someone else's words every time she changes her mind about something, but never giving credit. Bod has noticed the same thing. If only she had the intuition to realise her shortcomings.

Who am quoting now.? All I did was repeat what Bod said about Prince having his underware custom made which they seem to think they have the copyright on.

I have already discussed the screen shot, the chefs screen shot and with a few people the Cee Lo green screen shot. This is only new to people who pay absolutly no attention to anything that does not fit their narrative.

Some of you ignore things that are obvious and spend countless bandwidth babbling on about different types of drugs and the fact that he was in withdrawals which has never been in question from the very beginning. With your nosense with the devil crap you need to close your trap.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Because you haven't attended reading comprehension classes yet, I'll copy paste my post to which you were referring below ...

Remember, I'm quoting someone - not verifying their words. There is a big difference to someone who has a brain. But it's worthy of inclusion regardless, because someone may be able to shed light, who doesn't have fascistic tendencies.

I quote to you what someone has told me since April '16.

All four of Prince’s grandparents as well as his parents came from New Orleans. Like most American cities with robust African-American populations, Voodoo, Obeah and Santeria are practiced, even by professing Christians. Even if not a follower of ‘the practices’, the symbols and ceremonies would be well known to any black family in New Orleans.

In all three belief systems, wearing clothing backwards is a well-known mechanism for warding off the Devil, de-elevator, whom Prince believed in and sang about.

It does not matter where it came from you decided to repeat it. That was your decision to add this nosense to the discussion. It has nothing to do with comprehension since you co-signed it.

The decision was not smart on your part but like most arrogant people it easy to call out other people out then to acknowledge your own foolishness. Next you will be discussing "Big Foots" and how his astrological sign was out of whack in April.

Now get back on the fries or get back on the topic.

No you see the problem you have is, you only see things in black and white. So figurative expressions, quotations to stir debate and suchlike just go over your head. Shame.

Then when you get called out for misinterpreting and misjudging, you resort to baseless ad hominem attacks, because you know you're losing the argument...

Like, I don't eat at McDonalds, because those things would make me fat, and I'm dead skinny. But my guess, you eat there/KFC regularly You've probably even witnessed a few shootings.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

It does not matter where it came from you decided to repeat it. That was your decision to add this nosense to the discussion. It has nothing to do with comprehension since you co-signed it.

The decision was not smart on your part but like most arrogant people it easy to call out other people out then to acknowledge your own foolishness. Next you will be discussing "Big Foots" and how his astrological sign was out of whack in April.

Now get back on the fries or get back on the topic.

No you see the problem you have is, you only see things in black and white. So figurative expressions, quotations to stir debate and suchlike just go over your head. Shame.

Then when you get called out for misinterpreting and misjudging, you resort to baseless ad hominem attacks, because you know you're losing the argument...

Like, I don't eat at McDonalds, because those things would make me fat, and I'm dead skinny. But my guess, you eat there/KFC regularly You've probably even witnessed a few shootings.

Your quotation of the devil nosense did not stir debate. It was ignorant and played into sterotypes. I am not misjudging that by a long shot. Your KFC and shooting comments make my point about your need to use sterotypes or take cheap shots when you get caught with your pants down.

Keep trying.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

No you see the problem you have is, you only see things in black and white. So figurative expressions, quotations to stir debate and suchlike just go over your head. Shame.

Then when you get called out for misinterpreting and misjudging, you resort to baseless ad hominem attacks, because you know you're losing the argument...

Like, I don't eat at McDonalds, because those things would make me fat, and I'm dead skinny. But my guess, you eat there/KFC regularly You've probably even witnessed a few shootings.

Your quotation of the devil nosense did not stir debate. It was ignorant and played into sterotypes. I am not misjudging that by a long shot. Your KFC and shooting comments make my point about your need to use sterotypes or take cheap shots when you get caught with your pants down.

Keep trying.

Pot kettle black. You have a PhD in stereotyping btw. If you give it out you've gotta be prepared to take it.

nelcp777 said:

I am a little slow. Has it ever been released what floor the elevator was on? Initialy, I was under the thought process Prince was dropped of at PP at 8pm. Did whatever he normally does (recording, writing, whatever). On his way upstairs maybe, pops a pill to alleviate pain and the rest is known.

I speculate that because from my understanding, he wears pajamas. So, had he been resting or sleeping or in the living quarters, he may have changed.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy, just an unfortunate incident.

I enjoy your posts and inputs, but I am struggling with my comprehension of what you are saying. That is me, my end, nothing you have done.

I've read somewhere, just in the last few days, that it was on the upper level.

I wonder if he didn't take those when he was dropped off that night on his way in to PP and took the elevator up to his pad & perhaps passed away before he made it up.

Also the clothes that he was described wearing sound like the ones he was wearing at Walgreens. Maybe he didn't change clothes and had them on backwards even when he went out that afternoon/evening.

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Exactly.

Susu1976 said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Easy there, Susu. lol . But you are 100% correct. It's self-explanatory. More specifcally, when you understand why the term is even used to determine cause of death. It is a no brainer.

Some of you think you know so much. I have seen screen shots from people who worked for Prince who said he told them to get their stuff out of Paisley Park because they might not be able to get their stuff out later. His sister is telling you she knew ahead of time based on an e-mail he sent her, Someone perhaps Pheadra may have had POA to sign docs for him, he had widdled his staff down to 2 people, and he sent everyone away and made sure the security cams were turned off.

He could have very well have known what was in the those pills or just decided to roll the dice and take as many as possible. None of the things I mentioned would have any bearing on the ME decision on calling his death accidental but there is enough information to make it plausible to appear to have been a sucidial effort.

Mmm, mmm, mmm. Not sure if you really wanted to bring up that screen shot. Some of us may have a bit more information than is being revealed.


As in: Who , when, where and why.

* But , alas, you put it out there. Preparation, whether that day, or another day unrelated to an accidental overdose, was inevitable. All will be revealed, Time is short.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

Some of you (Menes and fortune) are being unnecessary vage here. If you believe you know what happened, and you can back it up with facts, why not say what you think?

Exactly.

Ahhh, the voice of reason. Coupled with a "habit".

If this nonsense doesn't stop on this thread, this thread will be shut down. All the info, the links, research, everything will be lost. If none of you care, then please continue on.

Several of us have told you our opinion, but some of YOU haven't told us yours. Menes, Bodhi, F&S, what's your opinion on what took place. Please don't talk in riddles, or tongues. Just spit it out.

With more info that we get, the more one's mind can change. I know one day, I think it's AIDS, the next cancer, the next suicide, the next accident. It just depends on what I see and hear and try to put together.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Menes said: