ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bod, I could kiss you for that comment You're keeping it real

What do you mean 'could'?...DO IT

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bod, I could kiss you for that comment You're keeping it real

What do you mean 'could'?...DO IT

laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

it must be nice to be omniscient... I don't entirely disagree with the red flags you pointed out, but I think there is room for differing interpretations of this complicated, charismatic, unique, hardworking, secretative man who none of us know...and who continued to work in impressive ways up until the end of his days. Going by what you constantly chose to focus on where P is concerned, it seems you don't see much else than this man's flaws and weaknesses.

Also, lay off the man's hair. Give him something other than shame and pathetic self-delusion.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

[Edited 11/8/17 16:11pm]

Dini said:

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Yea, that's ususally the best way to stay anonymous (on line off shore pharmacies) since there is no requirement to present identification, validate ones address,etc. You could use an ill gotten credit card or your grandmothers SS check and pay for a shipment. They will process the payment.

At the risk of being redundant:


a. Sure, the originating and manufacturing points of said pill(s) that contain toxic levels of fentanyl may never be traced back to the "source".

b. The seller or the buyer may not know what specific levels of "x" are in the pills.

c. I wouldn't completely rule out a doctor/pharmacist/chemist, but they are not my first choice as to where and how the pills were procured. My reasons for ruling these (3) out is because of the amount of pills, the wide assortment of pills, and as you mentioned, self administering of said pills. I think at some point any person in the aforementioned profession would've had a large blinking neon stop sign glaring at them that signified, eventual overdose.

d. Now, I want to proceed with caution when I write part (e) because I can't confirm with multiple reputable sources of what I understand to be a leaked report . YMMV so process it as you will as I am trying to verify a few things. If I can get a few more hits that I believe to be credible and runs parallel to the investigation ,I will post additional info.

e. According to local news reports in Minnesota, Prince's toxicology report revealed a blood fentanyl level that was measured at 67. 8 milligrams. Three(3) is considered as fatal by experts. That would be about an increase of 2160% .


f. His liver fentanyl topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 67 is considered to be toxic. That would mean an increase of 549.25%

g. His gastric fentanyl registered 14,000. Processing.

h. In looking at some sample autopsy reports regarding death by fentanyl overdose, these numbers would be extraordinarily flabbergasting (maybe I'm miscalculating what I see). They are extreme enough to lead one to assume that this was some kind of 'special'. What is of particular interest is that if this was a product of local distribution, this wouldn't be the giant secret that it is to this day.

h; Nothing in that house screams special.

morningsong said:

Not on the warrant but I'd wouldn't call AARP news tabloid either. But there is a truth not even being considered here. I've posted this before. In the take was $5 million worth of the asthma medication Advair, some of which later surfaced for sale to the public at 22 pharmacies in Texas, where it had entered the vast and dangerous black market for prescription drugs. By all accounts, the drug supply in the United States is among the safest and most controlled in the world. But it's under a growing threat from organized and white-collar criminals pushing stolen, out-of-date, adulterated or fake medications. They make their way into pharmacies, nursing homes, hospitals and doctors' offices. At best, they are suspect because they are sold outside of the regulated supply chains. At worst, they may be medically worthless or even toxic. Since 2010, nearly 1,400 adverse reactions related to counterfeit drugs have been reported to the FDA, according to data compiled by FDAble, a company that tracks undesirable reactions caused by medications and medical devices. The reports don't reflect the true size of the problem. Most people who use counterfeit or compromised medications never find out about it. If they have an adverse reaction, or don't get well, they rarely imagine a counterfeit drug may have been the cause. How many people are harmed or killed by suspect drugs? No one knows. According to Bruce Foucart, director of the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center, which was established in 1999 to fight counterfeiting, "It's very difficult to prove" — even when a person dies. "Unless a complete autopsy was done, we will never know the answer." Illicit drugs are most likely to target Americans age 50 or older, who are responsible for 71 percent of outpatient prescriptions. A series of recent breaches shows that crooks who once focused on drugs like Botox and Viagra have turned to lifesaving drugs, including medications for cancer, high cholesterol and mental health conditions. Federal agents seized nearly $73 million in counterfeit drugs in 2014, Foucart says. But that's a tiny slice of the black market drug trade, which may exceed $200 billion internationally and account for 10 percent of the pharmaceuticals in the global supply chain. Investigators have turned up links to Russian and Armenian crime families, but some of the biggest players are American white-collar criminals who have found a niche targeting the most expensive drugs paid for by Medicare Part D. https://www.aarp.org/heal...gs-rx.html

Good post as it relates to fake medications and them making there way into "pharmacies , nursing homes, hospital and doctor's offices".

I still can't find anything that would tie watson853/a349 to mass black market sales ,whether on the street or said institutions. They are not popular "illicit" narcotics for black market resale or mass distribution. This is why for me, the self medicating Prince, is different from the narcotic dependent Prince. There are some who may disagree and contend that the two are mutually exclusive. However, there is empirical evidence to support that this is not unusual.

By the Partnership for SafeMedicines. Tons of articles about the fentanyl epidemic and counterfeit medication. They even have the news by state, Minnesota is on the list.

http://www.safemedicines.org/policymakers-media/fentanyl-pills-ravaging-american-communities


The DEA reports that pills containing fentanyl or its analogues are manufactured in Canada or Mexico and smuggled across the border, but they're also made domestically when Americans buy powdered fentanyl and pill presses (often from China) to distribute it themselves. The drugs are so toxic that investigators have to wear HAZMAT suits to avoid exposure.

Jesus, I might need to have a conversation wtih some double distilled because I'm going down the rabbit hole.


I need to calculate every single data point available in relation to any of the following:

1. Height/weight

2. Time of death stated.

3. Estimated levels of fentanyl/blood analysis.

4. Estimated Post-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

5. Estimated Ante-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

6. Though the information is scant ( if at all available), we really need to run some trial numbers and see where things shake out. Something about that elevator business is unsettling. Either you went down there , or you were there. Time will tell. Hopefully.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

* Disclaimer - I don't have any desire to become a practicing coroner or medical examiner overnight.

Menes said:

Jesus, I might need to have a conversation wtih some double distilled because I'm going down the rabbit hole.


I need to calculate every single data point available in relation to any of the following:

1. Height/weight

2. Time of death stated.

3. Estimated levels of fentanyl/blood analysis.

4. Estimated Post-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

5. Estimated Ante-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

6. Though the information is scant ( if at all available), we really need to run some trial numbers and see where things shake out. Something about that elevator business is unsettling. Either you went down there , or you were there. Time will tell. Hopefully.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

* Disclaimer - I don't have any desire to become a practicing coroner or medical examiner overnight.

Menes..this thread has some discussion on the above

http://prince.org/msg/7/442603

NOTE::

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to
investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources."

Lovejunky said:

Menes said:

Jesus, I might need to have a conversation wtih some double distilled because I'm going down the rabbit hole.


I need to calculate every single data point available in relation to any of the following:

1. Height/weight

2. Time of death stated.

3. Estimated levels of fentanyl/blood analysis.

4. Estimated Post-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

5. Estimated Ante-mortem concentrations to determine a range for time of death.

6. Though the information is scant ( if at all available), we really need to run some trial numbers and see where things shake out. Something about that elevator business is unsettling. Either you went down there , or you were there. Time will tell. Hopefully.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

* Disclaimer - I don't have any desire to become a practicing coroner or medical examiner overnight.

Menes..this thread has some discussion on the above

http://prince.org/msg/7/442603

NOTE::

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to
investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources."

10-4 , saw that one. That thread went sideways quick. I hope I didn't step on any toes by repeating the same information in my previous post in reply #5. No one did any further analysis or some basic analytical chemistry to at least try and figure out what those numbers could mean. I bet we could harness some valuable information from all of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Menes said:

Lovejunky said:

10-4 , saw that one. That thread went sideways quick. I hope I didn't step on any toes by repeating the same information in my previous post in reply #5. No one did any further analysis or some basic analytical chemistry to at least try and figure out what those numbers could mean. I bet we could harness some valuable information from all of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'll just repeat what I said the first time this information came up here: unsubstantiated information. There is no proof whatsoever that the so-called toxicology numbers are real. Nothing should be surmised from numbers like that where there is no supporting documentation, those numbers mean nothing.

You aren't stepping on any toes, but this info isn't valid with no proof behind it.

[Edited 11/8/17 19:44pm]

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Mumio said:

Menes said:

10-4 , saw that one. That thread went sideways quick. I hope I didn't step on any toes by repeating the same information in my previous post in reply #5. No one did any further analysis or some basic analytical chemistry to at least try and figure out what those numbers could mean. I bet we could harness some valuable information from all of it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I'll just repeat what I said the first time this information came up here: unsubstantiated information. There is no proof whatsoever that the so-called toxicology numbers are real. Nothing should be surmised from numbers like that where there is no supporting documentation, those numbers mean nothing.

You aren't stepping on any toes, but this info isn't valid with no proof behind it.

[Edited 11/8/17 19:44pm]

So was it tabloid generated or a leak that came from a reliable/reputable news agency?

Dini said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

Menes said:

Mumio said:

I'll just repeat what I said the first time this information came up here: unsubstantiated information. There is no proof whatsoever that the so-called toxicology numbers are real. Nothing should be surmised from numbers like that where there is no supporting documentation, those numbers mean nothing.

You aren't stepping on any toes, but this info isn't valid with no proof behind it.

[Edited 11/8/17 19:44pm]

So was it tabloid generated or a leak that came from a reliable/reputable news agency?

Yes, I think it came from one of the local T.V stations in Minneapolis.

laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

It is not unique (or extra ordinary) for an individual to have their clothes custom made especially when they have the financial means to do so. Heck I've had stuff made for me. Given his stature it would make perfect sense having clothes custom made to fit him better including his shoes. That does not automatically translate into having pills custom made, thereby proving case solved. Sure, it is possible but highly unprobable. Extra ordinary claims and all that.

laurarichardson said:

Dini said:

This is exactly why he would buy them off the Internet. No one needs to know. No one to spread the word. People can buy drugs anonymously. It was just that one prescription. Where did he get the other pills? Lots of people, unfortunately, buy drugs off the Internet.

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

LR,

I agree with you that Prince was not known to be a trusting person and could be paranoid at times. I think Dini is stating that someone with those exact traits , lots to lose and the possibility of doing time for procuring illicit narcotics, would go to any lengths to avoid detection. It is possible that he had a middleman to procure said narcotics but that usually means that you can still be implicated.

Now, if I have an anonymous identity on line, and various ways to pay without it being linked to me (coupled with a multiple places to receive said narcotics) , as a superstar, I would use those resources in order to avoid detection.

The thought of Prince going to jail for getting caught up in the local narcotics trade is a brutal thought. Do you know how many packs of Newports ,Kools and Raman noodles would be offered up for the first taste of that?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:48am]

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

But he was not known for being a trusting person. It is a matter of not knowing who you are dealing with and it sounds like he could be really paranoid at times. I just do not see someone with those traits being anything from an unknown person.

We know that Kirk knew what was going on and Prince trusted him. We know his sister knows a few things because Prince trusted her.

These pills can be made right in the good old USA and Prince had enough money to have this done.

If you keep thinking that he did things just like everyone else you are going down the wrong road.

Everything this dude had right down to his shoes was custom made. Why would he not have his drugs custom made. In additon, their is no data that supports fentenyl being placed in the Watson 385s This drug was discontinued in 2015 and I have found nothing stating that these pills are being mixed Fentenyl in the streets.

Makes me question how Dr. S was able to write a script for Kirk for this stuff. Futher investigation needs to be done into to that but we do not know if it was done or what the results were concerning the pain pill Dr. S wrote for Kirk. Were they even legit or could that have been tampered with?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:21am]

LR,

I agree with you that Prince was not known to be a trusting person and could be paranoid at times. I think Dini is stating that someone with those exact traits , lots to lose and the possibility of doing time for procuring illicit narcotics, would go to any lengths to avoid detection. It is possible that he had a middleman to procure said narcotics but that usually means that you can still be implicated.

Now, if I have an anonymous identity on line, and various ways to pay without it being linked to me (coupled with a multiple places to receive said narcotics) , as a superstar, I would use those resources in order to avoid detection.

The thought of Prince going to jail for getting caught up in the local narcotics trade is a brutal thought. Do you know how many packs of Newports ,Kools and Raman noodles would be offered up for the first taste of that?

[Edited 11/9/17 9:48am]

The key word is middleman. One of which was working for him. People in China have made dog food and baby food that was posionous.

[Edited 11/9/17 9:52am]

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

So was it tabloid generated or a leak that came from a reliable/reputable news agency?

Yes, I think it came from one of the local T.V stations in Minneapolis.

I saw that it was reported by a lot of local Minnesota news agencies initially and then picked up by the tabloids and morphed into something else. Hence, blurring the lines of what may be true or not.

Though it may be a futile exercise, we can run with it and analyze the data just to see what sense we could make of it. We should be able to determine whether or not it is compelling enough to correlate with what is in the warrant( re: where he was found and time of death).

For the sake of emphasis , any help would be greatly appreciated, as it seems that we have a lot of comments about what it is ,or what it is not, and how this thread is nothing but conspiratorial. Those same people have very little ( if any) input when it comes to the analysis of anything. They would rather hide behind org notes and visit other threads to voice their concern about the anaylsis . Your Prince fans.

DEA Warns That More Types...he Horizon

Counterfeit Oxycodone Tablets Containing Fentanyl. Source: DEA

Read the entire DEA 2017 Drug Threat Assessment here.

Overview

The threat posed by controlled prescription drug (CPD) abuse is prevalent. Every year since 2001, CPDs, specifically opioid analgesics have been linked to the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class, outpacing those for cocaine and heroin combined. Cocaine, psychostimulants with abuse potential, and heroin overdose deaths are also on the rise (see Figure 12). According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), opioids — which include prescription opioids, heroin, and fentanyl — represented 63% of the approximately 52,000 drug overdoses in 2015.

[Edited 11/9/17 11:18am]

According to CBCNews Manitoba, an extradition hearing date is set for five Winnipeg men accused of illegally importing and selling $78 million worth of misbranded and counterfeit drugs to American doctors from 2009 to 2012. Kristjan Thorkelson, Thomas Haughton, Ronald Sigurdson, Darren Chalus and Troy Nakamura will appear in the Manitoba Court of Queen’s Bench during the week of May 7, 2018 to face an extradition request the U.S Department of Justice for their roles in the CanadaDrugs.com case.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, I think it came from one of the local T.V stations in Minneapolis.

I saw that it was reported by a lot of local Minnesota news agencies initially and then picked up by the tabloids and morphed into something else. Hence, blurring the lines of what may be true or not.

Though it may be a futile exercise, we can run with it and analyze the data just to see what sense we could make of it. We should be able to determine whether or not it is compelling enough to correlate with what is in the warrant( re: where he was found and time of death).

For the sake of emphasis , any help would be greatly appreciated, as it seems that we have a lot of comments about what it is ,or what it is not, and how this thread is nothing but conspiratorial. Those same people have very little ( if any) input when it comes to the analysis of anything. They would rather hide behind org notes and visit other threads to voice their concern about the anaylsis . Your Prince fans.

Menes, I think there is a great deal of what you'd put up previous to this tox info that was good intel. But this tox info is just hearsay and we can't really use those numbers because we don't know that they are valid. If we were to "run with it" we are going to come up with some type of answer that may not/won't be based in reality because those numbers are questionable. We'll be back in the same place as previous threads discussing this were.

I love the way you have put things out there in a very logical format, but this piece doesn't fit in there.

Mumio said:

Menes said:

I saw that it was reported by a lot of local Minnesota news agencies initially and then picked up by the tabloids and morphed into something else. Hence, blurring the lines of what may be true or not.

Though it may be a futile exercise, we can run with it and analyze the data just to see what sense we could make of it. We should be able to determine whether or not it is compelling enough to correlate with what is in the warrant( re: where he was found and time of death).

For the sake of emphasis , any help would be greatly appreciated, as it seems that we have a lot of comments about what it is ,or what it is not, and how this thread is nothing but conspiratorial. Those same people have very little ( if any) input when it comes to the analysis of anything. They would rather hide behind org notes and visit other threads to voice their concern about the anaylsis . Your Prince fans.

Menes, I think there is a great deal of what you'd put up previous to this tox info that was good intel. But this tox info is just hearsay and we can't really use those numbers because we don't know that they are valid. If we were to "run with it" we are going to come up with some type of answer that may not/won't be based in reality because those numbers are questionable. We'll be back in the same place as previous threads discussing this were.

I love the way you have put things out there in a very logical format, but this piece doesn't fit in there.

Understood. I had already crunched some numbers some time back and let's just say, there would be a huge uproar. I'll just preserve it as a personal project and keep that piece out . Thanks for your input.

I talked to a detective today and he explained the DarkWeb to me.

It is encrypted.

It is like Amazon.

The dealers are rated and reviews given.

You pay with bitcoins which can also be encrypted.

Due to all the encryption law enforcement cannot follow the trail.

There is so much fentanyl going around that the dealers that buy off the DarkWeb

test the drugs they buy to see if there is fentanyl in the drugs they purchase.

[Edited 11/9/17 20:25pm]

September 19th, 2016 warrant:

Toggle down to the paragraph beginning with : On Monday , 05-09-16 ( ME call)



The paragraph after that indicates that" the investigation into Prince's death began focusing on where Prince obtained the fentanyl and controlled narcotic prescription medication located in his bedroom the day of his death and who gave it to him".

They already knew where the Oxycodone prescription came from because Dr Schulenberg's statement on 4-21-2016 told them so. There would be no need to confirm the same information .

1. Is the statement saying that this medication is the same one or another medication?

2. Is the statement saying that the fentanyl is separate from the medication that was found in the bedroom?

3. Is the statement saying that the medication and the fentanyl are one?

this has been debunked, but a police officer in Arkansas actually warned shoppers to make use of sanitation cleaning wipes before touching the handles of shopping carts, due to the danger of potential exposure to Fentanyl.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article183639531.html

morningsong said:

DEA Warns That More Types...he Horizon

October 30, 2017

In their just-released 2017 Drug Threat Assessment, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) has sounded the alarm about the role counterfeit prescription pills are playing an increasingly dangerous role in national opioid deaths.

Counterfeit Oxycodone Tablets Containing Fentanyl. Source: DEA

Read the entire DEA 2017 Drug Threat Assessment here.

Overview

The threat posed by controlled prescription drug (CPD) abuse is prevalent. Every year since 2001, CPDs, specifically opioid analgesics have been linked to the largest number of overdose deaths of any illicit drug class, outpacing those for cocaine and heroin combined. Cocaine, psychostimulants with abuse potential, and heroin overdose deaths are also on the rise (see Figure 12). According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), opioids — which include prescription opioids, heroin, and fentanyl — represented 63% of the approximately 52,000 drug overdoses in 2015.

[Edited 11/9/17 11:18am]

purplefam99 said:

mikeyaddict said:

purplefam99 said:

Like my stage 3 cancer??? Or my stage???

My stage 3. I think perhaps the nail has been hit. I wonder when this address was created. 2014 onwards would be kinda telling.

I don't think it's MyStage3 - the 3 = E (in stagE).

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

So LR, we do remember when the so called drug dealer "Dr.D " first came out in the tabloids that Prince was in fact using fentanyl and percocets.This was way before the autopsy report was complete or anything was leaked from the warrants. I think we all shot him down as a loser who was looking for a pay day and fifteen minutes of fame. (I always thought law enforcement was fishing with that). What a coincidence eh?

Anyway, are we saying that the drug dealer story is in line with what you are saying about someone from the old neighborhood?

Also, if he blabbed about the history of Prince's drug use, what would preclude another drug dealer from the neighborhood doing the same (except for the thought of getting busted for revealing such a thing)?

You do know that you can get the same exact narcotic yourself that a dealer is selling and remain anonoymous even more so.

The percocet info was leaked by TMZ right after the plane landed my guest by Kirk or Meron and loads of people were dying from Fentenyl prior to Prince. We still have media reports saying he was not a long term user of Fentenyl. From the serch warrants no bottles of Fentenyl were found and nothing about patches were mentioned either.

For whatever reason the ME did see him as a long term Fentenyl user so this person ( who may not even exsist) was just making a lucky guess about the Fentenyl.

I don't recall reading this in any of the official and publicly available documents. Can you tell me where this statement comes from?

Once again why are you believing some random person from a tabloid but not people who are willing to give their name and tell you they never saw him using drugs. Why would anyone with a lick of common sense think that someone could abuse drugs ( using them for no reason for with no doctor involvement and abusing ) for twenty years and never miss a show. In fact be so full of energy from these drugs they would even do extra shows and then leave those shows to record more music.

I've seen no proof that P abused drugs for 20+ years but I've read past bandmates, friends, etc. talk about various injuries he sustained over the years: he was human and must have had physical consequences from doing 2000+ live shows, many in high heels, jumping off pianos, etc.

I believe the 'energy' you reference is more likely the result of adrenalin and its affects, which btw can produce a state/states of euphoria.

Unfortunately, there is a wide variety of variables and a lack of verifiable evidence which imho makes it impossible to come up with a theory.

Peace & Be Wild

[Edited 11/7/17 11:06am]