Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.

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Come on, guys - at the risk of being a pain (excuse the pun, lol) let's not allow this thread to spiral into antagonism - I think this time we've got a really illuminating series of posts and I'd hate to see the thread closed up as a consequence of us all getting at one another!

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

You missed the point. It's all good. Carry on.

I am not missing the point. I do not agree with you. I do not think Dr. D is real or he is real he some dude getting a check from a tab for making up some nonsense. I do not think Prince got his drugs from some random dealer.

I think he got them from someone he knew very well and trusted and I do not think he was doing these drugs illegally ( abusing them ) for 20 years. I think he would have been dead a long time ago and certainly would not have continued to perform at the pace that he did.

Whoever helped thought they were helping him and they are not going to talk. A Dr. D if he exsisted would run their mouth in a minute.

Once again estates cannot sue for defamation so why are people not talking. They say we do not know the whole story and we certainly know what he died from. YOu cannot keep discounting what Tyka and people who actually knew him.

Did you miss the part where I wrote that I thought that was "law enforcement fishing"? Which, in context ,would mean that I don't think that a drug dealer is saying that.

By now, you would've guessed that for the same reasons you suspect, I dont think any sane drug dealer would say such a thing. The point was to assess the risk someone like Prince would've taken to have that story get out by a "drug dealer" who could verify that he was purchasing drugs from him. Maybe my eyes are failing me or I may have selective memory when I write these things. It's relatively fresh though.

Maybe you didnt miss the point, but I think it is possible that you may have skipped over some of the things that were written in that post.

Dibblekins said:

Come on, guys - at the risk of being a pain (excuse the pun, lol) let's not allow this thread to spiral into antagonism - I think this time we've got a really illuminating series of posts and I'd hate to see the thread closed up as a consequence of us all getting at one another!

I would hate to see it closed as well but everytime we seem to be getting somewhere someone gets salty. I am not sure why.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not missing the point. I do not agree with you. I do not think Dr. D is real or he is real he some dude getting a check from a tab for making up some nonsense. I do not think Prince got his drugs from some random dealer.

I think he got them from someone he knew very well and trusted and I do not think he was doing these drugs illegally ( abusing them ) for 20 years. I think he would have been dead a long time ago and certainly would not have continued to perform at the pace that he did.

Whoever helped thought they were helping him and they are not going to talk. A Dr. D if he exsisted would run their mouth in a minute.

Once again estates cannot sue for defamation so why are people not talking. They say we do not know the whole story and we certainly know what he died from. YOu cannot keep discounting what Tyka and people who actually knew him.

Did you miss the part where I wrote that I thought that was "law enforcement fishing"? Which, in context ,would mean that I don't think that a drug dealer is saying that.

By now, you would've guessed that for the same reasons you suspect, I dont think any sane drug dealer would say such a thing. The point was to assess the risk someone like Prince would've taken to have that story get out by a "drug dealer" who could verify that he was purchasing drugs from him. Maybe my eyes are failing me or I may have selective memory when I write these things. It's relatively fresh though.

Maybe you didnt miss the point, but I think it is possible that you may have skipped over some of the things that were written in that post.

I am sorry I did miss it but I do not think that interview was law enforcement fishing. I just think it was some dumb tabloid trying to get internet hits.

I do not think Prince procured these drugs in a matter that would make it traceable. He did not take risk and because of this nothing is getting out.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

Come on, guys - at the risk of being a pain (excuse the pun, lol) let's not allow this thread to spiral into antagonism - I think this time we've got a really illuminating series of posts and I'd hate to see the thread closed up as a consequence of us all getting at one another!

I would hate to see it closed as well but everytime we seem to be getting somewhere someone gets salty. I am not sure why.

But you have to admit, it was you who flew off the handle . In addition, your assumptions about what was written ,was clearly not accurate. That's why you got the responses that you got. I don't t think anyone wants to get salty with anything you wish to write. On the contrary , I think a lot of what you write has validity to it.

Maybe you could at least verify what exactly the person is trying to convey before you drop the hammer?

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I would hate to see it closed as well but everytime we seem to be getting somewhere someone gets salty. I am not sure why.

But you have to admit, it was you who flew off the handle . In addition, your assumptions about what was written ,was clearly not accurate. That's why you got the responses that you got. I don't t think anyone wants to get salty with anything you wish to write. On the contrary , I think a lot of what you write has validity to it.

Maybe you could at least verify what exactly the person is trying to convey before you drop the hammer?

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

But you have to admit, it was you who flew off the handle . In addition, your assumptions about what was written ,was clearly not accurate. That's why you got the responses that you got. I don't t think anyone wants to get salty with anything you wish to write. On the contrary , I think a lot of what you write has validity to it.

Maybe you could at least verify what exactly the person is trying to convey before you drop the hammer?

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.

He exists.

Looks like this has looped around right back to what was in the tabloids in April, 2016. Remember that drug dealer that came out making claims. So with all this research, reading and debating, we still end up right back at square one with what was printed in the tabloids from jump street. Basically, an exercise proving believing whatever you read.

morningsong said:

Looks like this has looped around right back to what was in the tabloids in April, 2016. Remember that drug dealer that came out making claims. So with all this research, reading and debating, we still end up right back at square one with what was printed in the tabloids from jump street. Basically, an exercise proving believing whatever you read.

Here is that article..or one of them anyway

http://www.dailymail.co.u...d-him.html

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not going to go on with this. I did not insult anyone an insult was hurled at me. I honestly think some fans will be very upset if they find out Prince had some terminal illness. I understand that it is upsetting. Let's us just stay on the topic.

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.

I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

morningsong said:

Looks like this has looped around right back to what was in the tabloids in April, 2016. Remember that drug dealer that came out making claims. So with all this research, reading and debating, we still end up right back at square one with what was printed in the tabloids from jump street. Basically, an exercise proving believing whatever you read.

No it is not. You are doing the same thing as in assuming the point of the post. . One can read the post in its entirety and conclude that there is no riddle or great mystery about it. It is rather innoucous in the context of the conversation .


We all have had those days where something that was written and was sure to be taken out of context. However, when you start seeing an overt pattern of behavior ( as in confusing what you wrote, with what you think the person meant) you should prepare yourself for the reprisals that are certain to follow. This is normal. How you choose to deal with those reprisals is up to you.

You would have to ask LR whether it was necessary to have such an impulsive response. This is often the case, (as in , not taking the time to read the entire post clearly, in relation to what she herself posted previously). Perhaps she perceived it as an attack on the very nature of the investigation and her theory, and her response was to completely obliterate the thread with assumptions about what was posted. This will only cause a chain reaction of intense back and forth which usually ends with one party seeking mediation for emotional distress.

This thread will probably get closed again because some thrive on reacting in an irrational manner instead of carefully dissecting why a post was written. Some just don't have that kind of time and patience, and that is understandable. But if you are wholly dedicated to a very poor way of presenting a self absorbed road map simply because you can type it on a forum, one should expect continuous admonishments.

It's really not that hard to state your opinion, take incoming fire when we don't agree, and figure out how to better present your point of view. You can do this without jumping to conclusions about why the person said this or that.

All opinions on the matter are welcome, and I for one, welcome robust and vigorous debate about it on all sides.This is why I posted the facts of the warrant.Furthermore, if by chance we have auxiliary comments outside the bounds of the warrant , those too should be discussed in great detail if you believe it is relevant to what was posted in the warrant. It has been that way from the start. We just don't want to use tabloid information as central hubs for more fact-worthy document than that of the warrants themselves.


So, If you took the time to read why that came up, perhaps you would agree that no one is claiming that the person dubbed "Prince's drug dealer" is one that I would suspect of having accurate information to reveal in an interview with a tabloid. It was mentioned merely as a point of reference to point out that if a drug dealer from Prince's old neighborhood had access to something as damaging to Prince as the so called "drug dealer" revealed, why would Prince want to use a person( a drug dealer from the neighborhood) to score drugs, as opposed to using resources from an inner circle of people who have a lot more to lose, and in common with Prince?

[Edited 11/7/17 18:27pm]

Mumio said:

Menes said:

Ok. I wil accept the blame for bringing up the pretend drug dealer.

I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.

Menes said:

Mumio said:

I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.

I understand what you are saying but I am not sure why her comment about a drug dealer from the old neighborhood took us to the tabloid article. I appreciate the info given previous to that sidestep and just wanted to find out if we are doing something different.

Mumio said:

Menes said:

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.

I understand what you are saying but I am not sure why her comment about a drug dealer from the old neighborhood took us to the tabloid article. I appreciate the info given previous to that sidestep and just wanted to find out if we are doing something different.

No , nothing different at all. If it was taken that way, a historical review of the post should hopefully clear that up. It was merely to point out that if Prince was that stupid to use the old neighborhood drug dealers that he knew from "back in the day" to get his pain meds, we might as well conclude that he didn't care about the ensuing harm that type of information could possible do... I just don't think he would risk that when they are "others/other places he could go and remain a lot more anonymous. I think he buffered himself pretty darn good from having to deal with the fallout from any of this.

Again, my apologies for any misinterpretation.

Here's a tweet from Minn. PD in reference to a bad batch of heroin hitting the streets. This is dated 25 March, 2016. There were already reports of something out there that was causing overdoses. With the information we have about the pills found @ Paisley Park, it's interesting that no connection was made
with those and any bad batch of anything around that same time.

For your records.



Minneapolis Police on Twitter: "A very bad batch of Heroin hitting the ...

(link: http://www.kare11.com/new...105208702) kare11.com/news/drug-conc…

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Menes said:

Just to clear up the misconception in the above posts about the tabloid article with Dr. D being planted by law enforcement:

The article with Dr. D was published by the Daily Mail on April 23, 2016.

The search warrants verify that the Detectives were notified by phone by the Medical Examiner on May 9, 2016 that the results of P's toxicology results showed a letal dose of fentanyl.

Law enforcement went back to PP on May 10, 2016 on a Federal search warrant after learning of the toxicology results.

Remember the DEA got involved in this case and there are Federal search warrants that we have not seen.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Just to clear up the misconception in the above posts about the tabloid article with Dr. D being planted by law enforcement:

The article with Dr. D was published by the Daily Mail on April 23, 2016.

The search warrants verify that the Detectives were notified by phone by the Medical Examiner on May 9, 2016 that the results of P's toxicology results showed a letal dose of fentanyl.

Law enforcement went back to PP on May 10, 2016 on a Federal search warrant after learning of the toxicology results.

Remember the DEA got involved in this case and there are Federal search warrants that we have not seen.

Ah ok. Thanks for that.

Dini said:

(my theory) Prince got his drugs off the Internet. He purchased them the way many purchase them because it feels anonymous. Unfortunately the manufacturers - probably Chinese because currently that is where a lot of the illegal Fentanyl pills originate - are not pharmacists/chemists, and they laced the drugs with a deadly dose of Fentanyl. They probably don't care about people's lives, they just care about profits. He had no current prescriptions of his own. He had no prescriptions, because he did not like or see doctors regularly. He was self medicating. He may of had other health problems, but what killed him was a deadly dose of Fentanyl - found in the pills he had scattered about his place.

Lord a person who is not trusting is going to buy drugs off the internet? I know it is fun to blame everything on China.

He had no prescriptions under his own name buy Dr. S wrote Rxs for him under Kirk's name. Don't you think he had done this in the past using other people's names?

Don't you think he went into the hospital under a different name? The pills were not scattered about the place. Go back to the top of this topic.

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

It is a strech because their is no proof she was in his radius and Prince was not found to be a long term user of Fentenyl. Funny how this is too much of a coincedence but all the other coincedence mean nothing.

Menes said:

Mumio said:

I thought we were going to stay away from tabloid things like the pretend drug dealer in this thread? Did I misunderstand that?

See the post above and then ask LR what was the point of bringing up a drug dealer from the old neighborhood. It will all make sense then < I hope.

Because you brought up some nob in a tabloid. I am saying that Prince may have known people in his old neighborhood that he could have reached out to. Which is more plausible?

Getting drugs from someone you trust or some dirt bag dealer who is stupid enought to talk to the media.

NotACleverName said:

Menes said:

well LR , to pick up on the point you've made, what's your thoughts on Chaka going in to rehab for the same kind of opiate addiction sometime after his death? Any parallels to that and what you're writing here ( as in reaching out to someone from the old neighborhood)?[Edited 11/7/17 9:26am]

Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

So you are in denial about his sister's comments and the other associates who have told us we do not know the whole story. Because that is a lot of denial. He was so wacked on drugs for 20 years but he remembered to get his Vitamin D and ran up a 65k hospital obtaining those Vitamin D pills.

[Edited 11/8/17 12:23pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bodhitheblackdog, with maybe the realest, most common sense, well developed comment ive ever read here ...well done...damn

RJOrion said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bodhitheblackdog, with maybe the realest, most common sense, well developed comment ive ever read here ...well done...damn

Thanks, Bro

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NotACleverName said:

Menes said: Thank you, Menes, for asking this question. While you specifically addressed LR, I am going to insert myself into this query. Frankly, I have brought this up a couple of times. The fact that Chaka and Prince had a (roughly) two decade association and it's revealed that she (along with her sister) entered rehab to fight an addiction to Fentanyl after Prince passes as a result of a toxic ingestion of this very narcotic, is too coincidental for me. As I stated previously, it is highly unlikely Chaka was procuring her Fentanyl via legal channels. Whether or not she referred Prince to a confidential, anonymous source is anyone's best guess; however, I simply can't envision Prince seeking out a random source. There would be too much risk involved. I honestly don't feel it's too much of a stretch to connect these two events...Prince passing of a deadly Fentanyl intoxication and Chaka entering rehab for an addiction to this very drug three months later. https://pagesix.com/2016/...ter-rehab/

There isn't a lot of robust 'connecting of events' here on the Org. Like secrecy, weight loss, jaundiced skin, hospitalizations for dehydration, etc., decades-old reports of self-medicating with aspirin and wine (!) for migraine headaches (!), out-of-the-blue claims of celibacy (!), vomiting in Studio A, wig-wearing, in-your-face lyrics like Breakdown and several songs on AOA, cane use, heels-to-platform sneakers, major hypocrisy re religion and the life he actually led, cryptic Charlie Sheen references by M2, more secrecy and reclusiveness, HIV rumors, obsessive/irrational defense of any troubling behavior by a fan base self-described as an ‘army’ which enabled this man to escape the norms of reality and evade the consequences of his behaviors until he ‘ran his body down’, more weight loss, the Paris apartment ("everybody knew..."), obsession with control, indulgence in impulsiveness, inability to maintain on-going inter-personal relationships...nothing to see here folks, just move along.

Bonus observation, my favorite mantra: DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

Bod, I could kiss you for that comment You're keeping it real