http://www.princevault.co...:_Lovesexy

I guess it all depends on context or concept. I've read individual poems that have numbered sections. Or, take something like the Iliad and the Odyssey; these are individual poems that have chapters. The same could be said of Claudia Rankine's Citizen, which is one long lyric poem that spans a book with section breaks. So, it seems that in concept Prince wanted all the works to be experienced as one unified concept or moment with various sections or movements. As such, it holds pretty well to its concept/theme of embracing the spiritual or the metaphysical over the physical.

It's not a mixtape or a medley or some club mix by a DJ on a Saturday night. It's meant to listened to front to back as is; it's a journey.

Spanky said:

... then why does he fade out after Alphabet St. and have breaks between Dance On and LoveSexy and break between When 2 R in Love and I Wish U Heaven? Shouldn’t there have been a straight through blending into the next track throughout?

Because silence can be part of an artistic creation.

BoraBora said:

Spanky said:

... then why does he fade out after Alphabet St. and have breaks between Dance On and LoveSexy and break between When 2 R in Love and I Wish U Heaven? Shouldn’t there have been a straight through blending into the next track throughout?

Because silence can be part of an artistic creation.

No it cant if theres silence then its not one track

Dilan said:

BoraBora said:

Because silence can be part of an artistic creation.

No it cant if theres silence then its not one track

So, to give an example, "Need You Tonight" by INXS is in fact "Need You Tonight (Part 1)" and "Need You Tonight (Part 2)" because of the silence break near the end?!?!?!?

The Rainbow Children was also initially presented as one track (an mp3 on NPGMC).

It is simply Prince saying that this album is meant to be listened to as a whole, from beginning to end.

BoraBora said:

Dilan said:

No it cant if theres silence then its not one track

So, to give an example, "Need You Tonight" by INXS is in fact "Need You Tonight (Part 1)" and "Need You Tonight (Part 2)" because of the silence break near the end?!?!?!?

yes precisley, you cant have silence and expect it to still be considered one whole track

Dilan said:

stu said:

Dilan said:

No it cant if theres silence then its not one track

I'll break it to you as gently as possible - there are no rules about recording or tracking or silence. The only constraint is 80m discs and even that is a CD constraint not digital. Probably best to accept you're wrong without making yourself look sillier

You are being patient, so I'll try to be patient as well

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Seriously Dilan you are making no sense here.
You may want to delve a little more into the history and study of arts in general and music in particular before you make any further absurd, absolute statements such as this.

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I don't even know whether by "track" you mean track as in a track on a CD or single digital file, or if you mean "song" or "musical composition".

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In the first case then a track is a track, whatever is on it, hell it could even be a track made of silence only. We're talking about a technical thing, not arts, and technical things are what they are.

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In the second case then you have much to learn about arts, beginning with the fact that as said above there are no rules whatsoever in arts, and that it's up to the artist to say what their work is or isn't. There are hundreds (probably thousands) of musical recordings that contain bits of silence and no such silence has ever been considered, by default, to define where a musical composition (or even segment) ends and where one begins.

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You may be interested in knowing that John Cage, who is universally acclaimed as being one of the most important composers of the 20th Century (if not of all times), has actually composed a piece of music that consists only of silence: https://en.wikipedia.org/...3%E2%80%B3

stu said:

Dilan said:

No it cant if theres silence then its not one track

I'll break it to you as gently as possible - there are no rules about recording or tracking or silence. The only constraint is 80m discs and even that is a CD constraint not digital. Probably best to accept you're wrong without making yourself look sillier

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

Dilan said:

Dilan said:

stu said:

Dilan said: I'll break it to you as gently as possible - there are no rules about recording or tracking or silence. The only constraint is 80m discs and even that is a CD constraint not digital. Probably best to accept you're wrong without making yourself look sillier

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

Just because you are prejudiced and uneducated doesn't mean that you need to go and make a fool of yourself on the internet by being obstinate when contradicted by someone who has actually studied the subject. I mean really, this is irritating. We have tried to be nice and explain things to you kindly. We could actually have written whole essays on the subject but at some point we have other things to do and it's also up to you to go online or in a library and do some reading about the theory and history of arts, before you go and brag about knowing what the "rules" are.

I don't mean this as a personal attack, but it's truly annoying when people do what you just did.

stu said:

Dilan said:

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

What are the other rules, can you post a link for us?

databank said:

stu said:

Dilan said: What are the other rules, can you post a link for us?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=music+rules+about+silence

this is the rules. its equally very irritating when I have spent years of my life meticulously reading about rules in music and have somebody claiming to have better knowledge then me when im always right

I know right lol.

Lovesexy is not exactly Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" (naturally you cannot really know when and where a track begins or ends) but I know where he was going with the tracked entirety. I have had that tracked for a long time. So long I forget that it was originally one digital track. Have it on vinyl too so that's a no brainer. In the vinyl, you can see the grooves where the track seperates very easily.

Dilan said:

databank said:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=music+rules+about+silence

this is the rules. its equally very irritating when I have spent years of my life meticulously reading about rules in music and have somebody claiming to have better knowledge then me when im always right

Your google search leads to nothing relevant save for... articles about deconstruction and quotes by modern and contemporary composers, all pretty much saying that there are no rules or that rules exist only to be challenged.

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I have no idea what you have read or studied but unless you have remained stuck in the 19th century, or you have only studied an extremely codified field of music and assumed its rules applied to everything else, I'm going to have to ask you to explain yourself, because you've just made not one but two claims that are no less than extravagant. One specifically being that a musical composition cannot contain a single second of silence, and the other generally being that there would be some sort of universal laws in music. It pretty much goes against, well, the vast majority of what's been written/said on the topic by both critics and artists over the course of the last century. Beyond that, it also goes against the very existence of a pretty great amount of works of arts (or at least, it would, by definition, exclude such works from the field of arts).

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I assumed you had no clue of what you were talking about because people who make such extravagant statements are usually fools. However, it could also mean that you are knowledgeable and extremely radical in your definition of what does and does not constitute music, or arts.

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So if you would be so kind as to explain yourself clearly and in plain English (or post links to proper articles supporting your statement, instead of a google search so vague it leads nowhere), I am very much open to debating the topic. I find the subject of what does constitute arts and what doesn't absolutely fascinating. And regarding rules (at least as applied to specifically codified genres, since I don't know of any such thing as universal rules), I also find the question of when and why it is or isn't relevant to follow them quite fascinating.

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But you can't just show-up, say "the Earth is flat and I know because I've studied physics", and expect people to nod and say "ok, cool, this guy knows as much as the other guy who says the Earth is a ball".

Dilan said:

stu said:

Dilan said: I'll break it to you as gently as possible - there are no rules about recording or tracking or silence. The only constraint is 80m discs and even that is a CD constraint not digital. Probably best to accept you're wrong without making yourself look sillier

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

https://www.wikiwand.com/...st_(music)

u think maybe we can focus on his 90's work to get it out there for the commoner...instead of these drivel threads

Dilan said:

stu said:

Dilan said: I'll break it to you as gently as possible - there are no rules about recording or tracking or silence. The only constraint is 80m discs and even that is a CD constraint not digital. Probably best to accept you're wrong without making yourself look sillier

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

There was one single track - Track 1. It comprised more than one composition - 9 songs in total. However, by not tracking the original US CD for each song, the listener was expected or encouraged to listen to the entire album as a whole (including silences between compositions).

I JUST bought a Lovesexy CD that is TRACKED!! I also have the ORIGINAL single track edition!!

langebleu said:

ufoclub said:

I’ve always kind wished myself that the songs on Lovesexy all had transitions like the first two tracks just so that it felt like a journey or experience... but as soon as there was a fade, gap, or in the way that Glam Slam seems to have a quick fade up... it seemed like a conventional album. Actually the way glam slam just kind starts was disappointing to me.

Prince dictating it be one CD track meant he didn’t want skipping around songs in any convenient way. On the CD. Sure... But back then it was all vinyl for me and my friends. The vinyl record was the popular format for everyone I knew. CD’s were starting to take off.

So... the one digital track detail did not apply to Lovesexy in my intial experience. It was a normal record where you saw the gaps between the tracks and could drop the needle where you wanted.

I got it on CD about 6 months after the vinyl record release, when one of my roommates got a CD player. CD’s and players were EXPENSIVE for a kid. [Edited 10/31/17 11:19am]

Continuous listening of the vinyl record was encouraged by not listing the individual track times on the label--which of course was the norm back then. Instead, each side was listed as one track over 20 minutes long.

When I later got the CD, the original one track version never bothered me because I always listen to albums in their entirety anyway.

[Edited 10/31/17 21:53pm]

1-TRACK version is annoying. Let me enjoy my cd with 9 different songs

bonatoc said:

Dilan said:

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

https://www.wikiwand.com/...st_(music)

Good catch

ufoclub said:

I’ve always kind wished myself that the songs on Lovesexy all had transitions like the first two tracks just so that it felt like a journey or experience... but as soon as there was a fade, gap, or in the way that Glam Slam seems to have a quick fade up... it seemed like a conventional album. Actually the way glam slam just kind starts was disappointing to me. Prince dictating it be one CD track meant he didn’t want skipping around songs in any convenient way. On the CD. Sure... But back then it was all vinyl for me and my friends. The vinyl record was the popular format for everyone I knew. CD’s were starting to take off. So... the one digital track detail did not apply to Lovesexy in my intial experience. It was a normal record where you saw the gaps between the tracks and could drop the needle where you wanted. I got it on CD about 6 months after the vinyl record release, when one of my roommates got a CD player. CD’s and players were EXPENSIVE for a kid. [Edited 10/31/17 11:19am]

Same here: for more than 5 years I only had a cassette, so it was just like any other album for me.

While I respect the intention, I think Prince just made everyone's life difficult for nothing with this (how many people actually brought the CD back to the store thinking there was a technical issue with it?). Maybe it would have made sense a decade later, when LP's and cassettes had virtually disappeared and mp3 wasn't there yet: then CD was the dominant format and more or less the listener's only option, so making an album one-tracked would have been a strong statement. But in 88 it served no purpose but to piss off people who had CD players, without changing anything for the bulk of people listening to LP's and cassettes. A notice on the back cover saying something in the line of "this record was meant to be heard as a whole, the artist encourages the listener to listen to it as such, without skipping tracks", would have been enough.

langebleu said:

Dilan said:

yes there are rules, if you include silence in a track its no longer one composition i hate to be the one to tell you that

There was one single track - Track 1. It comprised more than one composition - 9 songs in total. However, by not tracking the original US CD for each song, the listener was expected or encouraged to listen to the entire album as a whole (including silences between compositions).

Indeed, I think we all agree on this..