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Reply #60 posted 04/17/03 10:04pm

CocoSweet

Here's my twocents Apparently Prince complainers are not interested in the man's music, because this seems to be of little mention, unless you're complaining about (TRC). It's about the image. It's about the man's religion. It's about LG converting/convicing/brainwashing Prince to the "dark side". Well, here's a few questions has Prince ever told you (the ones complaining)...

1. "To stop socializing with your friends because he doesn't like them." (Many of y'all curse LG and Mani).
2. "Whatever it is that makes you happy change it because he's unhappy with it." (His conversion to the JW faith).
3. "Your clothes, you need to take some more off because you're not sexy enough." (He dresses like a preacher).
4. "Your need to be a little more vulgar to keep his attention." (He stopped using obsenities and uses clean lyrics).

Well, if he didn't why are you asking that much from him? Just because you buy his records does not mean that you own the man's life. So what he changed his life, get with the program, people get older their ideas change. I hate to think that you still believe and do the same things you did when you were three.

I'm assuming that Prince never once mentioned God or Jesus in any of his songs in his 25 year career. That part of his concerts in the past haven't been dedicated to GOD.If Prince is not what he was when you started digging him, then stop complaining, pack up and move on.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 17 22:05:48 PDT 2003 by CocoSweet]
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Reply #61 posted 04/18/03 12:48am

lovebird

At one of the concerts I attended last year, Prince either said If you're not a believer or if you don't read the bible (He said one of these two things) "I don't even want you at my show" Anyone else was there and remember this?
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Reply #62 posted 04/18/03 1:58am

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Mr7 said:

the Bible, the very word of God himself

Litteral interpretations of the Bible is just ridiculous, it's nothing but a compilation of MAN written (and re-written and re-arranged) doctrines some thousand of years ago. Who's got more chances to be wrong about understanding God's real will : JWs ad other cults and religions pretending THEY know the "Truth" OR someone simply believing "God is Love" and "Love One Another"???


I have some knowledge of Jehovah's Witnesses in Europe and I was certainly not aware that they were considered a 'cult' by the governments mentioned. They are certainly not 'under ban' in those countries as numbers are quite high and conventions and assemblies are legally held

Yes but they are frequently under justice's fire. And if all europeans countries classified JWs amond dangerous cult, there are reasons to assume something might be wrong.


There have been issues in France, but these have been encountered by all faiths not approved by the state, not just Jehovah's Witnesses. What you people are mentioning is religious intolerance.

We'd rather see it as protecting people from getting their mind alienated.

We should rather believe in God than believe in Man created religions.
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Reply #63 posted 04/18/03 10:23am

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Silvergroover said:

Mr7 said:

the Bible, the very word of God himself

Litteral interpretations of the Bible is just ridiculous, it's nothing but a compilation of MAN written (and re-written and re-arranged) doctrines some thousand of years ago. Who's got more chances to be wrong about understanding God's real will : JWs ad other cults and religions pretending THEY know the "Truth" OR someone simply believing "God is Love" and "Love One Another"???

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Both 'God is Love' and 'Love one another' are defintions found in and originating from Scripture


I have some knowledge of Jehovah's Witnesses in Europe and I was certainly not aware that they were considered a 'cult' by the governments mentioned. They are certainly not 'under ban' in those countries as numbers are quite high and conventions and assemblies are legally held

Yes but they are frequently under justice's fire. And if all europeans countries classified JWs amond dangerous cult, there are reasons to assume something might be wrong.


There have been issues in France, but these have been encountered by all faiths not approved by the state, not just Jehovah's Witnesses. What you people are mentioning is religious intolerance.


We'd rather see it as protecting people from getting their mind alienated.

We should rather believe in God than believe in Man created religions.


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So you think YOU have the right to decide what is protecting people and what is not? You think anyone has the right to restrict an individuals choice of worship even if it is a 'man created' religion?

Are you yourself not being as dogmatic and controlling as the worst cults and religions?

Are you not denying people the freedom of choice and thus freedom of thought in your efforts to protect them?

Are your own ideas about God which you have written above not merely the conclusion of human thinking?

Is your bias against organised religion not merely reflective of typical views of contemporary society, and thus 'man created'?
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Reply #64 posted 04/18/03 10:48am

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anyone else find it ironic he fought WB to be unenslaved and wrote slave on his face, and now is enslaved by a religion?
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
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Reply #65 posted 04/18/03 10:52am

Finess

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Finess said:

bugs "us" thats kinda of bold to answer for people... it may bug some people but if you take a really good thought and listen all religions are based around one "The Creator" now how you praise and give back to the creator may differ on how others do.so before you make a statement like "why prince and the JW thing bugs us" why cant you simply say how come it bugs "you" ya dig??

Just my 2 cents
[This message was edited Mon Apr 14 10:20:33 PDT 2003 by Finess]

You make a fine point Finess.
The oringinator of the thread does need to define "us".
I'm not part of the "us". smile
I also agree with the rest of your statement. smile


thank you, ijust dont see why one person has to speak for the concensus on why someone's belief is upsetting to that one person.
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Reply #66 posted 04/18/03 10:53am

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Why Prince and the JW things bug us


i think that is a great question! Why does somebody else's spiritual conviction bother people? It is, even if with good intent, purely selfish. The fact is Prince has changed and some don't like the direction. They don't care about a human being's happiness if it affects their happiness. Yeah, yeah, this sounds harsh but if you are honest with yourself you'd agree. If people dislike it so much that it ruins the music...well, why are you still buying the stuff and worrying about music club 2003, etc? You can still listen to your old Prince records and be happy. This is not an issue of Prince's religious beliefs rather an issue of personal wants and desires from another human being.
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Reply #67 posted 04/18/03 11:10am

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ps: don't get me wrong, prince has every right to follow his 'dream', andf i'm glad he is happy. but many of us have investigated the JW doctrines and found them to be. . . unsettling. do a keyword serch for the words 'charles taze russell', then pop on over to the religion and politics forum for some debate on the teachings contained in the watchtower's 'Awake! magazine. this may help you understand why fans are not defending the JW faith.

yes, there are good things about the JWs belief system.
but, as consumers of the product he has to offer we are free to discuss the fact that prince's new belief system is manifesting itself in his art. we are also free to dislike the effect this has on his art because we are being asked to purchase this product from the NPGMC.

just my 2c as to why people are not defending the JW faith. i think fans react strongly to the JW belief system because, imo some of those beliefs directly contradict concepts that prince once stood for.
[This message was edited Wed Apr 16 7:38:16 PDT 2003 by XxAxX]

right on.
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Reply #68 posted 04/18/03 11:12am

FirstAvenue

I have to admit, there were times when Prince was acting like Larry's bitch, and if any of you who have seen this happen deny it, you have problems yourselves...I've seen this with my own eyes...rolleyes
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Reply #69 posted 04/18/03 11:35am

XxAxX

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i would be interested in knowing how prince would respond to this question, if it were put to him today:

prince, do you think that it is a good idea for a man and a woman to wait until after they are married to have sexual relations?
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Reply #70 posted 04/18/03 11:40am

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XxAxX said:

i would be interested in knowing how prince would respond to this question, if it were put to him today:

prince, do you think that it is a good idea for a man and a woman to wait until after they are married to have sexual relations?


Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but didn't he make a comment during a ONA concert alluding to that opinion? That a man and woman should be married before they are sexual or intimate with one another?

Seems like I remember hearing he said something along those lines..
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Reply #71 posted 04/18/03 12:04pm

XxAxX

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eyepop
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Reply #72 posted 04/18/03 12:05pm

XxAxX

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eyepop no way! i'd have to hear him say that myself, before i could believe it. i mean, hehehe, oh man.
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Reply #73 posted 04/18/03 7:18pm

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Reply #74 posted 04/18/03 10:45pm

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cborgman said:

anyone else find it ironic he fought WB to be unenslaved and wrote slave on his face, and now is enslaved by a religion?



It's only vaguely ironic...*heavy sarcasm*

Maybe this isn't true for everyone, or even true for the majority, but it's been my experience with heavily indoctrinate people, that, at some point, they rely only on what the Bible, Koran, Torah, etc. says, and stop relying on their own mind to make decisions. They seem to want to be told what to do, instead of relying on their own thoughts, emotions, and past experiences. Because it's easier.

Didn't God give us minds to reason, question, and ultimately make our own decisions, within reason, of course? Why would God give us minds capable of logical thought if It wanted us to blindly obey, without question, everything the Bible or religious leaders tells us is right?
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Reply #75 posted 04/18/03 10:49pm

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I think what bugs me isn't necessarily Prince's newfound JW-ness, it's how attached he seems to have gotten to Larry. It's like he holds everything Larry says as the Absolute Truth.

Maybe someone should be arguing about the possibility of Larry brainwashing him, instead of JW's brainwashing him.
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