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PrintableHandclapsfingasnapz said: i'm not "us", man. speak 4 yourself.
  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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lovebizzare said: Oh, okay, so now Prince is in a cult
 shh, the fambots'll get it twisted! 
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Supernova said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i'm not "us", man. speak 4 yourself.
yeah man. since when is "you" , "us" | |
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IAM said: Supernova said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i'm not "us", man. speak 4 yourself.
yeah man. since when is "you" , "us" Comprehension problem? This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: IAM said: Supernova said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i'm not "us", man. speak 4 yourself.
yeah man. since when is "you" , "us" Comprehension problem? ? agreed with speak for yourself ... | |
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Supernova said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i'm not "us", man. speak 4 yourself.
 here here! please don't put me in that bag either. speak fo yo sef"That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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IAM said: Supernova said: IAM said: Supernova said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: i'm not "us", man. speak 4 yourself.
yeah man. since when is "you" , "us" Comprehension problem? ? agreed with speak for yourself ... My bad. I misunderstood. I sowwy.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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jn2 said: In France JW are considered as being a sect.
In Italy 2... | |
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What's Larry's scam? Spreading the word and gaining coverts is pretty standard fare in all religions... He scammed Prince into changing his life around cuz he knew he needed a father figure. He used Prince to boost his own faded career. If it wasn't for Prince fans, he'd be lucky if he could sell out a coffee shop. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Also in belgium, teh JW are considered a sect and the reason that there is quite a bit of trouble against the jews in France, comes from the fact that around the big cities, there are large communities of young arab people with no future and not much opportunity to make something of their lives. Fanatics use their lack of options to mobilise them in rallying for the palestinean cause. A simular situation can be found in my home-city of Antwerp;;every time a big thing happens in the israel-palestine problem, tension rises. We have one of the largest jewish communities in europe, and many arab immigrants living next to eachother. The HQ-er formerly known as krokostimpy. | |
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Also in Austria and Germany the JW are considered a sect. They tried to be acknoweledged by government as a "religion", but did not succeed With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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I find some of what the JW's do and believe to be, not only extreme, but quite disgusting - and completely polar to what I personally believe God to be. | |
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Prince is in a religion that believes that only people that except the JW doctrine are going to live on the earth forever and it is the only way to reach salvation.
He is a grown man, sure, they tell you how to think and feel about everything. If he doesn't agree with something they teach, he is told it is Satan trying to keep him from the truth. He now calls his music his job.He says in his shows "Is it better to be a leader or follower?" This religion and Larry is the reason there are no more Friday nite parties. What is wrong with a party? Only They could tell you. It makes me sick when Prince and Larry are up on stage and Larry says "He's my little brother",and Prince smiles like a little boy. What bugs me about the religion is they tell Prince he must abide by everything they say and than maybe he will be saved when Prince has been saved for years. But than it all comes down to this. He is almost a 45 year old man,noone should tell him what to do or how to feel about anything. | |
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He scammed Prince into changing his life around cuz he knew he needed a father figure. He used Prince to boost his own faded career. If it wasn't for Prince fans, he'd be lucky if he could sell out a coffee shop.[/quote]
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It makes me sick when Prince and Larry are up on stage and Larry says "He's my little brother",and Prince smiles like a little boy.
I've never seen this happen, but hearing you describe just makes me wanna  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Jehovah's Witnesses are a christian Congregation that uses the Scriptures as the authority for their faith.
If this makes them 'disgusting', 'completely polar to God' and a 'sect' or 'cult' as some on this board have claimed then the Bible, the very word of God himself, must also be 'disgusting', 'polar to God', 'cultish' and 'sectarian'. I have some knowledge of Jehovah's Witnesses in Europe and I was certainly not aware that they were considered a 'cult' by the governments mentioned. They are certainly not 'under ban' in those countries as numbers are quite high and conventions and assemblies are legally held. There have been issues in France, but these have been encountered by all faiths not approved by the state, not just Jehovah's Witnesses. What you people are mentioning is religious intolerance. It is nothing to be celebrated. | |
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meow85 said: It makes me sick when Prince and Larry are up on stage and Larry says "He's my little brother",and Prince smiles like a little boy.
I've never seen this happen, but hearing you describe just makes me wanna i know. it bothered me last year at the celebration because of the pun on the word 'little'. for a moment it felt like larry was laughing AT p | |
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Mr7 said: Jehovah's Witnesses are a christian Congregation that uses the Scriptures as the authority for their faith.
If this makes them 'disgusting', 'completely polar to God' and a 'sect' or 'cult' as some on this board have claimed then the Bible, the very word of God himself, must also be 'disgusting', 'polar to God', 'cultish' and 'sectarian'. I have some knowledge of Jehovah's Witnesses in Europe and I was certainly not aware that they were considered a 'cult' by the governments mentioned. They are certainly not 'under ban' in those countries as numbers are quite high and conventions and assemblies are legally held. There have been issues in France, but these have been encountered by all faiths not approved by the state, not just Jehovah's Witnesses. What you people are mentioning is religious intolerance. It is nothing to be celebrated. yeah man...i'm still trying to understand how many people hear have such brutal opinions about JW's. it's really sad when you think about it. you talk about the gays and there's an uproar. you talk about Rkelly pissin on kids and they call you a hater. you mention JLO saying nigga in her song and blacks go crazy. but noone hardly defends the JW's...what is that? | |
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i think you don't understand how WE feel that, so to speak, the JW religion threw the first stone.
when prince changed his mind from "god is love, love is god' and stood onstage, telling us that there is ONE truth, that this truth is JEHOVAH and that all other truths are false, he alienated a lot of people who hold different opinions. when prince followed that message up with religiously inclined emails (x-mas 2001, spring 2002) instead of giving MPGMC members product information, people/NPGMC members were further annoyed. the only reason the JW faith is addressed at all on this site is because of the way it has affected prince's behavior and his art. there have been undeniable changes in the way he 'is', he has changed song lyrics, stopped any kind of choreography onstage (except for larry and tina) told some of us we are 'banished', discussed religious philosophy fropm the stage etc. and those of us consumers/members who are concerned with the content of his message discuss this among ourselves. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 7:34:03 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] | |
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ps: don't get me wrong, prince has every right to follow his 'dream', andf i'm glad he is happy. but many of us have investigated the JW doctrines and found them to be. . . unsettling. do a keyword serch for the words 'charles taze russell', then pop on over to the religion and politics forum for some debate on the teachings contained in the watchtower's 'Awake! magazine. this may help you understand why fans are not defending the JW faith.
yes, there are good things about the JWs belief system. but, as consumers of the product he has to offer we are free to discuss the fact that prince's new belief system is manifesting itself in his art. we are also free to dislike the effect this has on his art because we are being asked to purchase this product from the NPGMC. just my 2c as to why people are not defending the JW faith. i think fans react strongly to the JW belief system because, imo some of those beliefs directly contradict concepts that prince once stood for. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 7:38:16 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] | |
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XxAxX said: i think you don't understand how WE feel that, so to speak, the JW religion threw the first stone.
when prince changed his mind from "god is love, love is god' and stood onstage, telling us that there is ONE truth, that this truth is JEHOVAH and that all other truths are false, he alienated a lot of people who hold different opinions. when prince followed that message up with religiously inclined emails (x-mas 2001, spring 2002) instead of giving MPGMC members product information, people/NPGMC members were further annoyed. the only reason the JW faith is addressed at all on this site is because of the way it has affected prince's behavior and his art. there have been undeniable changes in the way he 'is', he has changed song lyrics, stopped any kind of choreography onstage (except for larry and tina) told some of us we are 'banished', discussed religious philosophy fropm the stage etc. and those of us consumers/members who are concerned with the content of his message discuss this among ourselves. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 7:34:03 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] Well said! "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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the people who r close-mnded r the ones who keep bangin on & on about P & his religious thoughts.
my best friend is a JW & he isnt what everyone seems 2 percieve JW's as... which is one track,close-minded,no-fun people. ***************************************************************************************
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XxAxX said: i think you don't understand how WE feel that, so to speak, the JW religion threw the first stone.
when prince changed his mind from "god is love, love is god' and stood onstage, telling us that there is ONE truth, that this truth is JEHOVAH and that all other truths are false, he alienated a lot of people who hold different opinions. when prince followed that message up with religiously inclined emails (x-mas 2001, spring 2002) instead of giving MPGMC members product information, people/NPGMC members were further annoyed. the only reason the JW faith is addressed at all on this site is because of the way it has affected prince's behavior and his art. there have been undeniable changes in the way he 'is', he has changed song lyrics, stopped any kind of choreography onstage (except for larry and tina) told some of us we are 'banished', discussed religious philosophy fropm the stage etc. and those of us consumers/members who are concerned with the content of his message discuss this among ourselves. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 7:34:03 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] i think you don't understand how WE feel that, so to speak, the JW religion threw the first stone. JW religion threw the first stone?... come on man. | |
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it doesn't bug me in the slightest | |
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Erm, Joshy, I'd say it is more blinkered to base your opinion on knowing just one person. That is hardly representative of a group consisting of more than 6 million is it? I happen to know just one Australian and he's a bit of a wanker really - does that make all Aussies wankers? Of course not.
I know scores of JWs and have had involvement with them in one way or another for fifteen years - does that mean I have a closed-minded attitude towards them, or one that is embellished with actual experience? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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IAM said: XxAxX said: i think you don't understand how WE feel that, so to speak, the JW religion threw the first stone.
when prince changed his mind from "god is love, love is god' and stood onstage, telling us that there is ONE truth, that this truth is JEHOVAH and that all other truths are false, he alienated a lot of people who hold different opinions. when prince followed that message up with religiously inclined emails (x-mas 2001, spring 2002) instead of giving MPGMC members product information, people/NPGMC members were further annoyed. the only reason the JW faith is addressed at all on this site is because of the way it has affected prince's behavior and his art. there have been undeniable changes in the way he 'is', he has changed song lyrics, stopped any kind of choreography onstage (except for larry and tina) told some of us we are 'banished', discussed religious philosophy fropm the stage etc. and those of us consumers/members who are concerned with the content of his message discuss this among ourselves. [This message was edited Wed Apr 16 7:34:03 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] i think you don't understand how WE feel that, so to speak, the JW religion threw the first stone. JW religion threw the first stone?... come on man. let me clarify: i meant that figuratively, and it's not a good analogy. i mean that the only reason the JW religion is addressed on this site is because it's the one prince follows and this is a prince website; also the changes that prince has been through recently which relate to the JW have affected his music and his lifestyle. this is a prince website and therefore we discuss it. me, i have nothing against the JW religion, it's definitely not for me, that path, but i admire people who follow a spiritual path in life. but i DO hate that prince changed his song 'the cross' to 'the christ'. it's his right to do that but i feel that he has betrayed himself by changing those lyrics. this is what i mean when i say 'the JW religion "threw the first stone"'. in the sense that, because of his new faith, prince's music has changed, sparking discussion among his fans. understand now? [This message was edited Thu Apr 17 8:15:50 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] | |
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Finess said: bugs "us" thats kinda of bold to answer for people... it may bug some people but if you take a really good thought and listen all religions are based around one "The Creator" now how you praise and give back to the creator may differ on how others do.so before you make a statement like "why prince and the JW thing bugs us" why cant you simply say how come it bugs "you" ya dig??
Just my 2 cents [This message was edited Mon Apr 14 10:20:33 PDT 2003 by Finess] You make a fine point Finess. The oringinator of the thread does need to define "us". I'm not part of the "us".
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VINCENT said:[quote]Mr7 said:[quote] stymie said: skywalker said: If there were this many negative threads regarding Jewish or Muslim people and their faith there would have been uproar by now. JW is NOT a religion. They actually have serious problems here in Europe with Justice (the financial side of the organization is far from being clear). Many ex-members are put under an untolerable amount of pressure when they talk about JW. And stop using the BOLD option for Christ sake ! roll: What do you mean...JW is not a religion? Jehovah's Witnesses is a thriving religion in Europe. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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