Reply #150 posted 10/12/17 10:04pm
purplefam99 |
Asenath0607 said:
LittlePurpleYoda said:
Honestly, this is fine. Paisley Park may have been state of the art at one point. Iron Mountain is & will remain so, which will maintain its ability to store & protect & develop his creative content in the years to come.
I want his work preserved. I don't trust his family to have the competency to do that. I suspect they were in fact told & are only bringing it to the attention of the media to try & gain sympathy in their ongoing battle for an upper hand in the negotiations over the inheritance. Fans who take issue with this have only Prince to blame: a man who fought endlessly over the protection of his art throughout his life didn't do a damn thing to preserve its legacy in his death. That was careless of him & this is the result. A final bird flipped to record companies, his family, & to the fans, who only want to hear it.
And perhaps now that it has been cleared out, fans will be allowed into the vault as part of future tours of Paisley Park? So it's a potential win there, too.
Just seems like sometimes the vibe on here is that fans really could care less about Prince as a person, a human being; all they want is music, more and more music. Like he gave his f*(#ing all to the music, even onto death and people just want more and more and more. Not because they appreciate him and his creativity, but just to feed their endless appetite. I agree, Endless appetite. [Edited 10/12/17 22:04pm] |
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Reply #151 posted 10/12/17 10:09pm
Asenath0607 |
JoeyCococo said:
Neversin said:
Nice stories from Mike Hampton, but there were more engineers who worked there and had relayed their concerns and frustration (to deaf ears) about how careless the vaults were maintained (from dust to even mold) and how deteriorated the contents were...
The CC unit died years ago and was never fixed, there was a water incident (hence the mold) there were tape cans half open lying around with layers of dust on them etc.
Neversin.
* Correction: I asked some (former) employees and they all confirmed the CC units were fixed in the early 2000's... They were still not fiunctioning in 2001 though during the Celebration event...
The state of Paisley Park wasn't a problem (regarding mold and such) but I was only talking about the vaults...
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I have heard these stories too but he just did not care. Music came to him easily and, unlike many here, he did not consider his oldest stuff to be his best stuff. I think this is partially why he just did not care about putting $$ into preservation Prince was a guy who looked forward only it seems. It certainly feels consistent with the artist I followed all these many many years. Someone I was in contact with once said whenever he mentioned hi resolution files or anything like that, Prince's eyes would begin to roll. He just did not care.. What a contrast with Jimmmy Page and David Gilmour woh oversaw the remasters of some of their classic albums.
Prince was a very different guy.
Thank you for a different perspective; so tired of hearing everything being attributed to his emotional/psychological/drug abuse; like we have docuemented proof of any of those things. |
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Reply #152 posted 10/13/17 1:34am
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laurarichardson said: maceoparker007 said: So why is some of the material in there in such a bad state? Paisley Park was primarily a recording studio it was never intended to be used to preserve music over long periods of time. Even if Paisely Park was retro fitted to hold store his music it still wouldn't be good enough to prevent its degradation.
Iron Mountain is a purpose built facility to preserve items over DECADES and maintained by engineers and scientists.
If you wanted to cryogenically freeze your body for preservation would you make your own facility at your own home? or would you rather use a purpose built laboratory/hospital? SAME PRINCIPLES APPLY
laurarichardson said:
maceoparker007 said:
Let’s not get emotional. Fact is the old material has already degraded and his newer recordings are likely to degrade in the same way in its current environment. As fantastic Paisley Park studios is it’s not environmentally controlled as far as I am aware. To preserve material for decades at a time it needs to be moved. Hopefully the peeps in California are masters in preservation and will no doubt want to digitise the content to it can exist forever.
- You are correct you are not aware
We have no proof whatsoever that music was all in a bad state. Tape will detoriate over time and it was said by at least two engineers who actually put their names to their comments that this is what happened. No one has said there was no climate control. Dave Hampton said it may not have been updated and that Paisley was not equipped to do diagnostics on the tapes. I do not think anyone rational thinks it is bad it was moved but stop using as a excuse to make up shit and drag Prince. [Edited 10/12/17 19:23pm]if what you say is true then good luck to Tyka in bringing the material back to Paisley !! I am not dragging anyone what I have said is totally plausible. |
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Reply #153 posted 10/13/17 1:40am
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purplefam99 said:
AnnaSantana said:
This is good news. Iron Mountain is the best at what they do, which is preservation, restoration, and digitizing. If any of you had two brain cells to rub together you'd realize that music has been rotting away in that vault for years and years but now it can be carefully handled and brought back to life. This is a GOOD thing.
Rotting away for years..... sounds to me like the owner of the music Wasn't concerned about it being released.
I think Prince once said that he treated his unreleased music as demos that he could cherry pick from and expand on to create other new songs.
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Reply #154 posted 10/13/17 4:57am
rogifan |
Londell retweeted this this morning:
OK I checked Iron Mountain’s site for St. Paul and Bloomington and these are the services provided:
Document Imaging
Data Management (PC/Servers)
Records Management (storing business records off site)
Secure Shredding
No where is Entertainment Services listed. I couldn’t find on Iron Mountain’s website whether Entertainment Services is in one location or has many. But from a Google search it seems this is located in Los Angeles.
So Londell wants us to believe Comerica spent the $$ to send 4 trucks worth of vault material all the way to California when the services they’re looking for are available in Minnesota? And they did this because??? So somebody in California can “steal” this stuff? To piss off fans? I’m really trying to understand his logic here other than he’s full of shit and just stirring the pot to get fans upset. [Edited 10/13/17 4:58am]Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #155 posted 10/13/17 4:59am
rogifan |
udo said:
rogifan said:
CandaceS said:
https://www.seattletimes....rs-miffed/
“... a secure location where all of the original content could be securely stored and digitized as a safeguard against the destruction or loss of any original content...”
I'm not sure what to make of the drama with the family, but I've been waiting to hear that something was being done to digitize and preserve this material. Especially the oldest analog tapes.
However, strikes me as odd that it wasn't announced before? We're hearing about it weeks later, and only because certain family members are raising a ruckus.  It almost seems like the administrators were trying to keep this quiet for some reason.
Anyway, I hope this is good news for us all.
Well who would they tell? This doesnt involve the public in any way so why do we even need to know?
No, it is : where all of the original content could be securely stored and digitized as a safeguard against the destruction or loss of any original content,” It was not wroitten or said that they will digitize them tapes. So I see a smokescreen until proven otherwise.
A smokescreen for what??? Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #156 posted 10/13/17 5:01am
rogifan |
Asenath0607 said:
TheVaultKeeper said:
I just read all about Iron Mountain Entertainment Services on their website, and I couldn't be happier. Let's face it, the tapes are in much better hands now for restoration, preservation, and digitalization than they ever were in Prince's hands. Finally, his legacy is being fully protected!
Do you really think anybody is going to be concerned about protecting Prince's legacy? They are going to be concerned about making money and won't give a crap about his legacy. They were Prince's creations, how do you think somebody else is going to care for them more than he did? Maybe he didn't release them because they weren't up to his liking or standard to be released. I know people have said if he didn't want them released he could have destroyed them; which I guess is one way of looking at it; but to really think that anybody in the music industry is concerned about protecting his legacy is wishful thinking. Well then shit just destroy everything so nothing can be released and then nobody makes any money. Problem solved.  Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #157 posted 10/13/17 5:04am
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maceoparker007 said:
laurarichardson said:
We have no proof whatsoever that music was all in a bad state. Tape will detoriate over time and it was said by at least two engineers who actually put their names to their comments that this is what happened. No one has said there was no climate control. Dave Hampton said it may not have been updated and that Paisley was not equipped to do diagnostics on the tapes. I do not think anyone rational thinks it is bad it was moved but stop using as a excuse to make up shit and drag Prince. [Edited 10/12/17 19:23pm]
if what you say is true then good luck to Tyka in bringing the material back to Paisley !! I am not dragging anyone what I have said is totally plausible.
Tyka did not say anything about this at all and why do people keep attacking her is beyond my understanding. It is Sharon and Norrine saying this crap and they have no chance of bringing anything back. The estate has a fiduciary duty to make money not throw money away bring someone in and making Paisley and restoration facility.
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Reply #158 posted 10/13/17 5:04am
rogifan |
Asenath0607 said:
laurarichardson said:
JorisE73 said:
There were also engineers who claimed that the climate control didn't work anymore, and from hearing the podcast I got out of it that Mike Hampton also thought the vault weren't the ideal place to store the tapes, or am I wrong?
My English isn't that great to fully understand it all.
Who would those engineers be? Dave was last in the vault about a decade ago. and I have not read anywhere engineers who have said the climate control did not work in recent years.
I think Dave is correct that there are better places to store and work on the material but I skeptical about comments about the vault that are attributed to no name sources being true. The same thing goes for Paisley being in disrepair. It only took six months to get it open so obviously it could not have been in that much disrepair and the exhibits were already in place with scripts that had been written by Prince.
Be careful when the narrative is being placed in the media that Prince had no plans and everything in his world was collapsing. The facts are not there to bare this out.
That being said if they are preparing the catalogue for release this is a good thing and the sisters are just showing their cluelessness. I am sure insurance has been taken out on the tapes (assets) and they are not going to be stolen from the Iron Mountain facility.
With Paisley being open to the public I am sure whatever insurance carrier is involved with the estate may have had concerns about the material being at Paisley Park.
Why are you so sure of that, and I'm being serious. Were the contents catalogued; how does anyone know what was removed from PP? Just like stuff has always been leaked and stolen; what makes you think this isn't a possbility for the tapes. The entertainment business has always had elements of stealing from artist, why would this be any different especially given that his heirs are a bit older and may lack experience with the business. I thought Tyka and Omarr were the ones who wanted Comerica handling the Estate? The fact that Sharon (and Londell McMillan) are raising a fuss over this and getting fans all upset tells me that the other sibs aren’t on the side of Comerica. Again I trust Dave Hampton. He worked with Prince managing the studios at Paisley during the 2000s. He says this is a good idea. And he’s no idiot. He knows what’s going on. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #159 posted 10/13/17 5:07am
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rogifan said:
Londell retweeted this this morning: OK I checked Iron Mountain’s site for St. Paul and Bloomington and these are the services provided: Document Imaging Data Management (PC/Servers) Records Management (storing business records off site) Secure Shredding No where is Entertainment Services listed. I couldn’t find on Iron Mountain’s website whether Entertainment Services is in one location or has many. But from a Google search it seems this is located in Los Angeles. So Londell wants us to believe Comerica spent the $$ to send 4 trucks worth of vault material all the way to California when the services they’re looking for are available in Minnesota? And they did this because??? So somebody in California can “steal” this stuff? To piss off fans? I’m really trying to understand his logic here other than he’s full of shit and just stirring the pot to get fans upset. [Edited 10/13/17 4:58am]
There is no logic with him. He is simply trying to get his foot back in the door and maybe try to save face. When they finish investigating him at the end of the year he may well be sued out of exsitence and he is causing trouble to try and make himself look good.
He should be spending his time trying to mount a good legal defense for himself and he is not showing off his 'vast entertainment knowledge" if he cannot do a simple Goggle search to find out that the entertainment division of Iron Mountain is in L.A.
Trust me the court may the right decision when they gave him the boot. |
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Reply #160 posted 10/13/17 5:09am
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JorisE73 said:
purplefam99 said:
AnnaSantana said: Rotting away for years..... sounds to me like the owner of the music Wasn't concerned about it being released.
I think Prince once said that he treated his unreleased music as demos that he could cherry pick from and expand on to create other new songs.
He also said that he didn't release some songs because they were too good to release at that moment in time.
Yes, he did say this but some people on this board have it in their thick skull that all of the tapes were rotting and molded. When their is not proof of this at all. I am sure Comerica spent money having the tapes hauled away that were moldy and rotted.
Not sure how a non living thing can rot but that is the wording that people are choosing to use. |
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Reply #161 posted 10/13/17 6:18am
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From what I've heard so far, Prince has already recorded his best stuff. I don't care about the rest.
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Reply #162 posted 10/13/17 6:20am
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There's definitely not much chance of Prince recording anything new on account of him being dead. |
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Reply #163 posted 10/13/17 6:38am
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No matter what, the only people that will make money off of the masters are the peoples who names are on the publishing rights, the musicaians and his heirs. No matter where the tapes are.
Now if we can only get someone to distribute the songs. I'm sure no one wants them just sitting around. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Reply #164 posted 10/13/17 7:38am
purplefam99 |
Wlcm2thdwn3 said:
From what I've heard so far, Prince has already recorded his best stuff. I don't care about the rest.
i agree, exception being old video of already released songs. otherwise I have enough. he doesn't
need to work anymore in my view. |
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Reply #165 posted 10/13/17 7:49am
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purplefam99 said:
Wlcm2thdwn3 said:
From what I've heard so far, Prince has already recorded his best stuff. I don't care about the rest.
i agree, exception being old video of already released songs. otherwise I have enough. he doesn't
need to work anymore in my view.
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Reply #166 posted 10/13/17 8:11am
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Lonny is just upset that Troy is making decisions that Lonny wants to make.
Lonny doesnt have power over the Estate anymore and it is eating him up inside.
The is a reason P parted ways with this man.
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Reply #167 posted 10/13/17 8:52am
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Maybe the professionals are finally taking over, and the petty bickering can start to wind down? Oh, that's right, money is involved. The bickering will continue ... |
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Reply #168 posted 10/13/17 9:02am
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purplefam99 said:
Asenath0607 said:
Just seems like sometimes the vibe on here is that fans really could care less about Prince as a person, a human being; all they want is music, more and more music. Like he gave his f*(#ing all to the music, even onto death and people just want more and more and more. Not because they appreciate him and his creativity, but just to feed their endless appetite.
I agree, Endless appetite. [Edited 10/12/17 22:04pm]
I agree. Just let me get what I want and never mind the person who created. You see this from fans, his family and assoicates. Total butthole behavior. Someone once to stand in a empty vault. |
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Reply #169 posted 10/13/17 9:05am
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1Sasha said:
Maybe the professionals are finally taking over, and the petty bickering can start to wind down? Oh, that's right, money is involved. The bickering will continue ...
Those two sister can scream all they want to. They agreed to let Comerica make decisions and seem to be suffering from the same issues as Lonnie. I do not like the contract so I think I will just act like it does not exsist. |
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Reply #170 posted 10/13/17 10:11am
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sexton said:
FlyOnTheWall said:
Not to mention sitting on multiple fault lines that traverse the state and region...with the possibility of the BIG earthquake hitting at any time, and Pacific tsunamis inundating most of the West Coast, from Washington down to Cali. I mean, surely, they could have retrofitted Paisley Park with climate-controlled storage facilities.
Why does anyone even live in California?!
Lol, that's what we say about every other state. |
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Reply #171 posted 10/13/17 10:29am
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Keep them safe is my thing. Being in Cali is good because it could be closer to releasing them. All you others say Hell Yea!!  |
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Reply #172 posted 10/13/17 10:29am
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Militant, think positive. All you others say Hell Yea!! |
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Reply #173 posted 10/13/17 10:46am
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2freaky4church1 said:
Militant, think positive.
I'm trying. I was quite shocked by this news emotionally but I guess I'm coming to terms with it. Just, the vault is like his soul to me, you know? I have a stronger emotional connection to that than ashes in an urn. And I feel like he would want things to stay at Paisley. I understand the logic, but it just tore my heart out a bit.
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Reply #174 posted 10/13/17 10:57am
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Militant said:
2freaky4church1 said:
Militant, think positive.
I'm trying. I was quite shocked by this news emotionally but I guess I'm coming to terms with it. Just, the vault is like his soul to me, you know? I have a stronger emotional connection to that than ashes in an urn. And I feel like he would want things to stay at Paisley. I understand the logic, but it just tore my heart out a bit.
We shouldn’t even know about this. It’s upsetting people and wasn’t necessary to disclose. Especially not the way it came out with Sharon making it sound like they were removed without permission, i.e. stolen. One question I have is do we know if the vault material has to stay with Iron Mountain forever or can it eventually come back to Paisley once it’s been catalogued, digitized etc.? Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #175 posted 10/13/17 11:04am
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rogifan said:
Militant said:
I'm trying. I was quite shocked by this news emotionally but I guess I'm coming to terms with it. Just, the vault is like his soul to me, you know? I have a stronger emotional connection to that than ashes in an urn. And I feel like he would want things to stay at Paisley. I understand the logic, but it just tore my heart out a bit.
We shouldn’t even know about this. It’s upsetting people and wasn’t necessary to disclose. Especially not the way it came out with Sharon making it sound like they were removed without permission, i.e. stolen. One question I have is do we know if the vault material has to stay with Iron Mountain forever or can it eventually come back to Paisley once it’s been catalogued, digitized etc.?
Speculating, but once the Estate is disolved and the heirs take control, I would imagine that the heirs could then move the Vault Material back.
Militant- I can relate to your feelings. I feel the same as you. But I can see the neccessity of this. Perhaps Comerica's actions were because the Vault Material was in dire condition? Or perhaps, they are looking long term. Could be both.
Prince and the Vault go hand in hand. Think of it as a little vacation and road trip for the material.
I am seriously trying to put a positive spin on this with that remark, not be an ass hat. |
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Reply #176 posted 10/13/17 11:06am
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At this point, it seems all we can do is hope for the best. It would be nice, though, if Iron Mountain and Comerica released a formal Action Plan, including a (tentative) timeline for the contents of the vault. Speaking of which, there should be a comprehensive inventory of all musical artifacts removed from Paisley Park. Said inventory should include the condition of each artifact, ranging from Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor, Deteriorated, At-Risk, etc. Of course, these are only sample gradations, but I think something similar would be very reassuring for the heirs, not to mention the legions of Prince fams around the world. Also, periodic updates, perhaps monthly or quarterly, detailing progress in digitization, remastering, and/or restoration should be released.
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Reply #177 posted 10/13/17 11:41am
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I wish everyone would listen to Dave Hampton's interview about this issue.
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Reply #178 posted 10/13/17 11:46am
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
I wish everyone would listen to Dave Hampton's interview about this issue.
So do I. Why would anyone think an inventory was not done or is not being done right now at Iron Mountain? Someone was going to have to work on the tapes either at PP (which was not set up for that purpose) or the tapes were going to be sent out somewhere. If Prince ever decided to work on them he would have had to send them out so this is just not a big deal.
Comerica has a fiducary duty to monitize the estate and they are being overseen by the court. So far they appear to be getting things done much better then Breamer which is bizzare considering the long relationship Prince had with Breamer but you never know how compotent any service provider is until the chips are down. |
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Reply #179 posted 10/13/17 11:46am
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The only heirs that need reassuring are Sharon and Norrine.
No one else is complaining.
Except Lonny on Twitter.
Lonny (or his minion) began visiting the Estate thread on September 30, 2017 and warned us
with cryptic messages that something big was going down.
I wonder why Lonny hasnt chimed in over here on this thread?
FlyOnTheWall said:
At this point, it seems all we can do is hope for the best. It would be nice, though, if Iron Mountain and Comerica released a formal Action Plan, including a (tentative) timeline for the contents of the vault. Speaking of which, there should be a comprehensive inventory of all musical artifacts removed from Paisley Park. Said inventory should include the condition of each artifact, ranging from Excellent, Very Good, Good, Fair, Poor, Deteriorated, At-Risk, etc. Of course, these are only sample gradations, but I think something similar would be very reassuring for the heirs, not to mention the legions of Prince fams around the world. Also, periodic updates, perhaps monthly or quarterly, detailing progress in digitization, remastering, and/or restoration should be released.
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