Sad the music is no longer home, very happy it is secured.

[Edited 10/12/17 6:56am]

IstenSzek said:

all the more reason to start releasing albums, or shopping some of those project around
to third parties to print and distribute them.

I hear that!

JorisE73 said:

laurarichardson said:

We were always told the vault was climate controlled so I am not sure why some of you think the tapes were rotting. See link to podcast with Mike Hampton who actually worked on the vault to give insight. Also Prince had plans. Why would Paisley have been opened to the public in six months if he did not.

There were also engineers who claimed that the climate control didn't work anymore, and from hearing the podcast I got out of it that Mike Hampton also thought the vault weren't the ideal place to store the tapes, or am I wrong?
My English isn't that great to fully understand it all.

Who would those engineers be? Dave was last in the vault about a decade ago. and I have not read anywhere engineers who have said the climate control did not work in recent years.

I think Dave is correct that there are better places to store and work on the material but I skeptical about comments about the vault that are attributed to no name sources being true. The same thing goes for Paisley being in disrepair. It only took six months to get it open so obviously it could not have been in that much disrepair and the exhibits were already in place with scripts that had been written by Prince.

Be careful when the narrative is being placed in the media that Prince had no plans and everything in his world was collapsing. The facts are not there to bare this out.

That being said if they are preparing the catalogue for release this is a good thing and the sisters are just showing their cluelessness. I am sure insurance has been taken out on the tapes (assets) and they are not going to be stolen from the Iron Mountain facility.

With Paisley being open to the public I am sure whatever insurance carrier is involved with the estate may have had concerns about the material being at Paisley Park.

djThunderfunk said:

Sad the music is not longer home, very happy it is secured.

Yes it made me sad to think it was not going to be at PP anymore, especially as I would like to go there one day and to see the vault and know what was behind it would have been a real buzz, it feels like the heart is leaving PP now, but on the other hand, this may be the only hope of every preserving the art long term & Prince was really all about the music. It does need to be cared for properly and as PP may experience declining visits from the public as time goes on and due to their climate being so poor, they may not have the revenue to sustain the vault in the correct condtions long term? Who knows, at first I shed a tear, but now I think this is likely the best plan for preservation, even though it saddens me.

Comerica is trying to preserve assets. If PP could properly house the recordings, I am all for them staying. But from reading and other posts, the Vault was not the most efficient storage facility for the tapes.

These recordings have to be preserved, no new music will be created. The heirs should be able to see that. I would like to know how much was moved and a list would be cool to see.

PP could always open the vault in the tour and have some tapes or reels since it has been moved.

zero sympathy with the estate & all family & friends involved. Instead of fucking around making a quick cash grab with the P.Park tours etc they all should have had the brains to see that the legacy IE FUTURE CASH [ffs] was in the music / video!

Why the hell noone took ownership of the situation is beyond me. It just shows that the family truly know fuck all about business, lack any comercial skills, are being badly advised etc.

Sharon is bleeting on social media about it being taken away without any pre-warning / knowledge. Whilst it's awful to think that would happen if the estate weren't even preerving the master tapes as priority then it's better off at iron mountain.

purplerabbithole said:

sharon L. Nelson is such a drama queen. Her twitter page has some line about them not even getting an itemized list of what was taken. Really? How would she know what to compare a list to? She picked her favorite Prince song as being Purple Rain because supposedly her dad wrote the melody (the shit his dad was playing on that Inside Edition episode sounded nothing like Purple Rain). I would reckon she doesn't even know a 1/20th of his released music (and 1/100th of what is in that vault). [in interviews of hers I have heard on youtube, she seemed vague about his music overall]. ALso, Sharon is 20 years older than Prince, only has stories to tell about the late 70's with him [because the only time she saw him in subsequent years was when he happened to visit her in New York when a concert of his was in the area] and has been living in NYC for many years. For her to say it felt like he died again? Why? They were moving some music, not destroying it, from a crime scene that has been turned into a museum ( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream).. Plus the man was a human being not just a vessel for the music she probably doesn't even listen to. I guess I am drama queen too...LOL.

I prefer to hear from the siblings who were closer to his age, know a bit more of his music and have realistic notions of what is better for the preservation of his work. I am not sure Omarr and tyka completely fit the bill (holograms, tacky urns, and impersonator-led tribute band albums are not in their favor) but at least they have some notion of modern technology and presumably have heard more than 5 songs of their brothers' music. Let the money guys run it and step the fuck out of the way. I don't like money men either (and I am sure they will do some shit that would offend us and wouldn't be what P wanted) but at least they have enough sense to preserve his work in a vault that works. As for Prince, he wasn't in control as much we think and I can only attribute that to emotional and psychological issues. People should have been looking out for Prince (and his legacy) a bit more when he was alive, instead of contributing to tell-all books, appearing on vault documentaries (which only felt threatening to him [that Essence interview came off disturbingly paranoid when he broached the subject of that documentary]) and enabling self and legacy destructive behavior.

( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream)..

What are you talking about? He had almost 50 million in real estate, was pulling down a 1 million a show sitting at a piano, owned his on masters and business and was doing what he wanted to do.

How is that a failure? You keep going on about psychological and emotional issues. What are those exactly because unless Prince was on your couch you really have no idea. No one on this earth is without problems and I still not sure how in control he would have been concerning health issues. So please stop painting this picture of a pathetic person whose life was falling apart. He had problems just like loads of aging people in the world it does not mean his every waking day was hell. In fact no one that has worked with Prince in the last 20 years has said anything about him being difficult or a hell like environment. If you are miserable it shows in your attitude and the world saw that back in the 90s.

So were is the evidence of continual misery.

As far a the sisters are concerned they really have no say on matters under 2 million. They signed the deal with Comerica and they have been told this via court documents before. I am sure there is a paper trial for moving the tapes and they need to gather the facts before running to the media.

This is a Londell move and I find it interesting that they did not run to the media when Lonnie was taking away admin rights from NPG Music Publishing and giving it to UMG.

Something we know was against his wishes.

djThunderfunk said:

Sad the music is not longer home, very happy it is secured.

Agree with this.

From a romantic point of view, the music should stay at Paisley. But it sounds like it's gone to the best place possible in terms of preservation. At the very least, the name of the place is fully appropriate and sounds like a proper vault.

Maybe i shouldn't call it a failed dream. It is more that living in a dream isn't always the best thing for a person. . Prince died alone in this place with half of his music out of print and his health in tatters. I am saying that there is a flip side to the coin of supposedly getting everything you wanted. Sometimes what you want isn't always the best thing for you. Would Prince had been so bad off staying with WB and getting out of PP a bit more often to explore a life away from his musical dream? I admire the effort and do believe that getting one's masters is a worthy cause but I am not sure his approach did much good to his legacy...(I guess we will find out.)

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

sharon L. Nelson is such a drama queen. Her twitter page has some line about them not even getting an itemized list of what was taken. Really? How would she know what to compare a list to? She picked her favorite Prince song as being Purple Rain because supposedly her dad wrote the melody (the shit his dad was playing on that Inside Edition episode sounded nothing like Purple Rain). I would reckon she doesn't even know a 1/20th of his released music (and 1/100th of what is in that vault). [in interviews of hers I have heard on youtube, she seemed vague about his music overall]. ALso, Sharon is 20 years older than Prince, only has stories to tell about the late 70's with him [because the only time she saw him in subsequent years was when he happened to visit her in New York when a concert of his was in the area] and has been living in NYC for many years. For her to say it felt like he died again? Why? They were moving some music, not destroying it, from a crime scene that has been turned into a museum ( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream).. Plus the man was a human being not just a vessel for the music she probably doesn't even listen to. I guess I am drama queen too...LOL.

I prefer to hear from the siblings who were closer to his age, know a bit more of his music and have realistic notions of what is better for the preservation of his work. I am not sure Omarr and tyka completely fit the bill (holograms, tacky urns, and impersonator-led tribute band albums are not in their favor) but at least they have some notion of modern technology and presumably have heard more than 5 songs of their brothers' music. Let the money guys run it and step the fuck out of the way. I don't like money men either (and I am sure they will do some shit that would offend us and wouldn't be what P wanted) but at least they have enough sense to preserve his work in a vault that works. As for Prince, he wasn't in control as much we think and I can only attribute that to emotional and psychological issues. People should have been looking out for Prince (and his legacy) a bit more when he was alive, instead of contributing to tell-all books, appearing on vault documentaries (which only felt threatening to him [that Essence interview came off disturbingly paranoid when he broached the subject of that documentary]) and enabling self and legacy destructive behavior.

( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream)..

What are you talking about? He had almost 50 million in real estate, was pulling down a 1 million a show sitting at a piano, owned his on masters and business and was doing what he wanted to do.

How is that a failure? You keep going on about psychological and emotional issues. What are those exactly because unless Prince was on your couch you really have no idea. No one on this earth is without problems and I still not sure how in control he would have been concerning health issues. So please stop painting this picture of a pathetic person whose life was falling apart. He had problems just like loads of aging people in the world it does not mean his every waking day was hell. In fact no one that has worked with Prince in the last 20 years has said anything about him being difficult or a hell like environment. If you are miserable it shows in your attitude and the world saw that back in the 90s.

So were is the evidence of continual misery.

As far a the sisters are concerned they really have no say on matters under 2 million. They signed the deal with Comerica and they have been told this via court documents before. I am sure there is a paper trial for moving the tapes and they need to gather the facts before running to the media.

This is a Londell move and I find it interesting that they did not run to the media when Lonnie was taking away admin rights from NPG Music Publishing and giving it to UMG.

Something we know was against his wishes.

[Edited 10/12/17 6:53am]

Don't worry. I am not saying Prince was not a strong man (in many ways), more successful than most, and a pillar in his community. I am saying that some of his paranoia (IMO) was unhealthy, his isolation was not good for him, too much of his music is shamefully unknown and underrated, and he had a drug problem. None of that stuff is just coming from my imagination. Prince was a complicated man.

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

sharon L. Nelson is such a drama queen. Her twitter page has some line about them not even getting an itemized list of what was taken. Really? How would she know what to compare a list to? She picked her favorite Prince song as being Purple Rain because supposedly her dad wrote the melody (the shit his dad was playing on that Inside Edition episode sounded nothing like Purple Rain). I would reckon she doesn't even know a 1/20th of his released music (and 1/100th of what is in that vault). [in interviews of hers I have heard on youtube, she seemed vague about his music overall]. ALso, Sharon is 20 years older than Prince, only has stories to tell about the late 70's with him [because the only time she saw him in subsequent years was when he happened to visit her in New York when a concert of his was in the area] and has been living in NYC for many years. For her to say it felt like he died again? Why? They were moving some music, not destroying it, from a crime scene that has been turned into a museum ( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream).. Plus the man was a human being not just a vessel for the music she probably doesn't even listen to. I guess I am drama queen too...LOL.

I prefer to hear from the siblings who were closer to his age, know a bit more of his music and have realistic notions of what is better for the preservation of his work. I am not sure Omarr and tyka completely fit the bill (holograms, tacky urns, and impersonator-led tribute band albums are not in their favor) but at least they have some notion of modern technology and presumably have heard more than 5 songs of their brothers' music. Let the money guys run it and step the fuck out of the way. I don't like money men either (and I am sure they will do some shit that would offend us and wouldn't be what P wanted) but at least they have enough sense to preserve his work in a vault that works. As for Prince, he wasn't in control as much we think and I can only attribute that to emotional and psychological issues. People should have been looking out for Prince (and his legacy) a bit more when he was alive, instead of contributing to tell-all books, appearing on vault documentaries (which only felt threatening to him [that Essence interview came off disturbingly paranoid when he broached the subject of that documentary]) and enabling self and legacy destructive behavior.

( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream)..

What are you talking about? He had almost 50 million in real estate, was pulling down a 1 million a show sitting at a piano, owned his on masters and business and was doing what he wanted to do.

How is that a failure? You keep going on about psychological and emotional issues. What are those exactly because unless Prince was on your couch you really have no idea. No one on this earth is without problems and I still not sure how in control he would have been concerning health issues. So please stop painting this picture of a pathetic person whose life was falling apart. He had problems just like loads of aging people in the world it does not mean his every waking day was hell. In fact no one that has worked with Prince in the last 20 years has said anything about him being difficult or a hell like environment. If you are miserable it shows in your attitude and the world saw that back in the 90s.

So were is the evidence of continual misery.

As far a the sisters are concerned they really have no say on matters under 2 million. They signed the deal with Comerica and they have been told this via court documents before. I am sure there is a paper trial for moving the tapes and they need to gather the facts before running to the media.

This is a Londell move and I find it interesting that they did not run to the media when Lonnie was taking away admin rights from NPG Music Publishing and giving it to UMG.

Something we know was against his wishes.

[Edited 10/12/17 6:46am]

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. When you live life, things are not always going to be perfect. Half of his music was out of print due to WB not due to Prince and since he worked out a deal with WB those titles were not going to be out of print for long and the millions that were sold after his death kind of prove that if you wanted to find his music you could.

I have no doubt in my mind looking at how things went with WB that Prince would have been dropped by the label as soon as his contract was up. He would have been in his 40s and his chances of selling millions of records was slim to none. In addition, WB music division was sold off by Warner Brothers Inc and has been sold twice to private equity groups. The company is a mere shadow of what it use to be so he did not make a mistake leaving.

He got out of PP by touring which he never stopped doing for almost 40 years. He was running a business and often if you step away you will have no business left to manage when you come back.

Artist at his age must tour if they want to pay staff, run a studio, fund charities and take care of loads of people. He worked, recorded everything, and did leave a business structure. There is a legacy that would not exist at all if he did not put some of the things in place that he did. Unfortunatly, there are people activity working to destroy what he had in place and what he tried to put in place. I wish there was more concern about that then his emotional or phycological problems which to me were no different than loads of busying business high net worth individuals.

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe i shouldn't call it a failed dream. It is more that living in a dream isn't always the best thing for a person. . Prince died alone in this place with half of his music out of print and his health in tatters. I am saying that there is a flip side to the coin of supposedly getting everything you wanted. Sometimes what you want isn't always the best thing for you. Would Prince had been so bad off staying with WB and getting out of PP a bit more often to explore a life away from his musical dream? I admire the effort and do believe that getting one's masters is a worthy cause but I am not sure his approach did much good to his legacy...(I guess we will find out.)

laurarichardson said:

( which, despite some of its illustrious history, was really a reminder of P's isolation and a failed dream)..

What are you talking about? He had almost 50 million in real estate, was pulling down a 1 million a show sitting at a piano, owned his on masters and business and was doing what he wanted to do.

How is that a failure? You keep going on about psychological and emotional issues. What are those exactly because unless Prince was on your couch you really have no idea. No one on this earth is without problems and I still not sure how in control he would have been concerning health issues. So please stop painting this picture of a pathetic person whose life was falling apart. He had problems just like loads of aging people in the world it does not mean his every waking day was hell. In fact no one that has worked with Prince in the last 20 years has said anything about him being difficult or a hell like environment. If you are miserable it shows in your attitude and the world saw that back in the 90s.

So were is the evidence of continual misery.

As far a the sisters are concerned they really have no say on matters under 2 million. They signed the deal with Comerica and they have been told this via court documents before. I am sure there is a paper trial for moving the tapes and they need to gather the facts before running to the media.

This is a Londell move and I find it interesting that they did not run to the media when Lonnie was taking away admin rights from NPG Music Publishing and giving it to UMG.

Something we know was against his wishes.

[Edited 10/12/17 6:53am]

Prince had as many major successes as failures. and that is a part of life. But a career isn't everything and a legacy isn't just about spreading yourself too thin and making money. its all relative obviously but compare his legacy and money to Bowie. Bowie (in my opinon) is not nearly as talented as P (even though I adore Bowie and own albums and movies of his), but he knew how to take care of his legacy even as he got older and continue to release arthouse music that was for his niche audience. . The dude was as rich as Prince (even though he hadn't had hit albums for years) with apparently a happy home life and a long term marriage. He died surrounded by loved ones with an acclaimed album readily available to everyone and Bowie didn't have to sell out his integrity or be a shill to the record company to do so. I just think Prince lacked that healthy balance. Really Prince's legacy was hurt by short-sided distribution of his albums (albums put out only on websites and through tabloids etc leading to those albums being out of print or hard to find.) Prince's live performances could have been a massive part of his legacy (in this regard, he is almost flawless) but he didn't see the value of actually letting the online world see them to provoke more interest. it was a flawed business outlook he had..IMO. Prince seemed like a guy who threw the baby out with the bathwater..most of the time (The WB stuff around the time of AOA was a smart move however.)

laurarichardson said:

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. When you live life, things are not always going to be perfect. Half of his music was out of print due to WB not due to Prince and since he worked out a deal with WB those titles were not going to be out of print for long and the millions that were sold after his death kind of prove that if you wanted to find his music you could.

I have no doubt in my mind looking at how things went with WB that Prince would have been dropped by the label as soon as his contract was up. He would have been in his 40s and his chances of selling millions of records was slim to none. In addition, WB music division was sold off by Warner Brothers Inc and has been sold twice to private equity groups. The company is a mere shadow of what it use to be so he did not make a mistake leaving.

He got out of PP by touring which he never stopped doing for almost 40 years. He was running a business and often if you step away you will have no business left to manage when you come back.

Artist at his age must tour if they want to pay staff, run a studio, fund charities and take care of loads of people. He worked, recorded everything, and did leave a business structure. There is a legacy that would not exist at all if he did not put some of the things in place that he did. Unfortunatly, there are people activity working to destroy what he had in place and what he tried to put in place. I wish there was more concern about that then his emotional or phycological problems which to me were no different than loads of busying business high net worth individuals.

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe i shouldn't call it a failed dream. It is more that living in a dream isn't always the best thing for a person. . Prince died alone in this place with half of his music out of print and his health in tatters. I am saying that there is a flip side to the coin of supposedly getting everything you wanted. Sometimes what you want isn't always the best thing for you. Would Prince had been so bad off staying with WB and getting out of PP a bit more often to explore a life away from his musical dream? I admire the effort and do believe that getting one's masters is a worthy cause but I am not sure his approach did much good to his legacy...(I guess we will find out.)

[Edited 10/12/17 6:53am]

paulludvig said:

I'm asking again. The content of the vault was moved using 4 trucks. Does that indicate a lot of material? More or less than expected?

Someone will have to do the math.
How much of a cu. ft. does a reel tape occupy?
I think four of those seem about right for the whole Vault.

It's as if PP is being dissected but I guess it is for the best

LR, he was getting a million a night for the P + AM tour? Really? These were small venues - I don't see how they could have covered his fee and the overhead if he was paid that much. Where did you get the fee number? I know not so long ago he was at $3 million per show, but that was before 2010. Thanks.

Let's not get too emotional about it.

It's very likely to be best for the tapes.

It's also infortunate that it hurts some of the family's feelings but it's not like the tapes can't ever be brought back.

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Whether in Minnesota or California, restoring and digitalizing all that material is going to take years and cost a lot of money if it's to be done properly. Just imagine: thousands of studio songs' multitracks with God knows how many different edits/mixes of each song, hundreds of live shows in both audio and videos, God knows how many dozens of thousands of hours of rehearsal recordings in both audio and video, plus the music videos and other odd footages...

.

The only thing I know is that at this stage no one in the whole world knows what will eventually be released, how it will be released, when that will happen, how much of it will be released, who will curate it and through which company it will be released. As long as the situation is frozen like that, I've decided not to care. There's nothing I can do about it. All I know is that I've always knew I'd be long dead before the entirety of Prince's catalogue is released, so no matter how much I want to hear it all, I'm happy with what I have at any given time, since for all I know each day could be the last. Hell, I'm pretty sure, anyway, that there are certain recordings I already have that I'll probably never have the time to listen to, or watch again, even if I live 40 more years.

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May we all live long fruitful lives and hear as much of it as we can, under the best possible circumstances. But in the meantime we should just live our lives and enjoy the already incredible amount of material that we have. What will be will be.

1Sasha said:

LR, he was getting a million a night for the P + AM tour? Really? These were small venues - I don't see how they could have covered his fee and the overhead if he was paid that much. Where did you get the fee number? I know not so long ago he was at $3 million per show, but that was before 2010. Thanks.

He sold out the Oracle arena in Oakland that is a 18k venue and tickets were going for as much as $500.00. He made a shit load of money at that show. The tickets were very high for those concerts.

Also he gave away a million dollars from the 2012 Madison Square Garden show to Harlem Children's Zone. The director said that was the profit from that concert. He was suppose to have been paid a million in St. Barts.

He had contracts for nine more shows one of which was going to be in a large venue.

It is not obvious that his carreer was everything to him. What you call short sided was profitable for him. According to Jacuqi Thomas when they did Crystal Ball they sold 250k these things were sold for 50.00 a piece. Do the math on that. Not only that the estate owns all this stuff so it can all be reissued forever. If the estate did not own it it would be stuck in WB's vault with all the other Prince stuff they have been sitting on for almost 40 years and have done nothing with. The live performance were taped and kept by Prince not WB and we will get to see them and the estate will continue to make money for generations.

He lived the way he wanted and was alone the night he died because he sent everyone away. He did what he wanted when he wanted. Even Morris Day said everything Prince said he was going to do a child exactually happened.

purplerabbithole said:

Prince had as many major successes as failures. and that is a part of life. But a career isn't everything and a legacy isn't just about spreading yourself too thin and making money. its all relative obviously but compare his legacy and money to Bowie. Bowie (in my opinon) is not nearly as talented as P (even though I adore Bowie and own albums and movies of his), but he knew how to take care of his legacy even as he got older and continue to release arthouse music that was for his niche audience. . The dude was as rich as Prince (even though he hadn't had hit albums for years) with apparently a happy home life and a long term marriage. He died surrounded by loved ones with an acclaimed album readily available to everyone and Bowie didn't have to sell out his integrity or be a shill to the record company to do so. I just think Prince lacked that healthy balance. Really Prince's legacy was hurt by short-sided distribution of his albums (albums put out only on websites and through tabloids etc leading to those albums being out of print or hard to find.) Prince's live performances could have been a massive part of his legacy (in this regard, he is almost flawless) but he didn't see the value of actually letting the online world see them to provoke more interest. it was a flawed business outlook he had..IMO. Prince seemed like a guy who threw the baby out with the bathwater..most of the time (The WB stuff around the time of AOA was a smart move however.)

laurarichardson said:

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. When you live life, things are not always going to be perfect. Half of his music was out of print due to WB not due to Prince and since he worked out a deal with WB those titles were not going to be out of print for long and the millions that were sold after his death kind of prove that if you wanted to find his music you could.

I have no doubt in my mind looking at how things went with WB that Prince would have been dropped by the label as soon as his contract was up. He would have been in his 40s and his chances of selling millions of records was slim to none. In addition, WB music division was sold off by Warner Brothers Inc and has been sold twice to private equity groups. The company is a mere shadow of what it use to be so he did not make a mistake leaving.

He got out of PP by touring which he never stopped doing for almost 40 years. He was running a business and often if you step away you will have no business left to manage when you come back.

Artist at his age must tour if they want to pay staff, run a studio, fund charities and take care of loads of people. He worked, recorded everything, and did leave a business structure. There is a legacy that would not exist at all if he did not put some of the things in place that he did. Unfortunatly, there are people activity working to destroy what he had in place and what he tried to put in place. I wish there was more concern about that then his emotional or phycological problems which to me were no different than loads of busying business high net worth individuals.

Lots of great points. I don't mean to diminish his family's feelings but I really can't get over Sharon's [apparent] lack of interest in P's music overall and her recent statement about getting an itemized list of his stuff. It comes off like she just wants to get her piece of everything and isn't thinking long term due to the fact that she is an older woman who will not see the fruits of his labor years from now after she has passed... She doesn't seem to be thinking about the big picture.

Interesting and off topic but I found an interesting tidbit on Sharon's facebook page...

There is a longer clip of the Kardashian thing (which actually contains P "kicking people of the stage" jokingly before he even got to Kim. So, apparently, that moment was a tad bit taken out of context. But more interestingly, a friend of Sharon's posted this comment under the video in 2011...

Eleanor Landrau thank you sister it was nice to see him looking better.. now you have to find out if i can keep it for good. lol thanks again for having patience with this old friend HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

It sounds like they were worried about health a bit in 2011.

link...https://www.facebook.com/...l.nelson.9 (just scroll down, she doesn't post often.

I think she is proud of her brother but I don't think she was a fan overall.

databank said:

Let's not get too emotional about it.

It's very likely to be best for the tapes.

It's also infortunate that it hurts some of the family's feelings but it's not like the tapes can't ever be brought back.

.

Whether in Minnesota or California, restoring and digitalizing all that material is going to take years and cost a lot of money if it's to be done properly. Just imagine: thousands of studio songs' multitracks with God knows how many different edits/mixes of each song, hundreds of live shows in both audio and videos, God knows how many dozens of thousands of hours of rehearsal recordings in both audio and video, plus the music videos and other odd footages...

.

The only thing I know is that at this stage no one in the whole world knows what will eventually be released, how it will be released, when that will happen, how much of it will be released, who will curate it and through which company it will be released. As long as the situation is frozen like that, I've decided not to care. There's nothing I can do about it. All I know is that I've always knew I'd be long dead before the entirety of Prince's catalogue is released, so no matter how much I want to hear it all, I'm happy with what I have at any given time, since for all I know each day could be the last. Hell, I'm pretty sure, anyway, that there are certain recordings I already have that I'll probably never have the time to listen to, or watch again, even if I live 40 more years.

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May we all live long fruitful lives and hear as much of it as we can, under the best possible circumstances. But in the meantime we should just live our lives and enjoy the already incredible amount of material that we have. What will be will be.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

LR, he was getting a million a night for the P + AM tour? Really? These were small venues - I don't see how they could have covered his fee and the overhead if he was paid that much. Where did you get the fee number? I know not so long ago he was at $3 million per show, but that was before 2010. Thanks.

He sold out the Oracle arena in Oakland that is a 18k venue and tickets were going for as much as $500.00. He made a shit load of money at that show. The tickets were very high for those concerts.

Also he gave away a million dollars from the 2012 Madison Square Garden show to Harlem Children's Zone. The director said that was the profit from that concert. He was suppose to have been paid a million in St. Barts.

He had contracts for nine more shows one of which was going to be in a large venue.

Thank you.

paulludvig said:

MIRvmn said:

paulludvig said:

MIRvmn said:

Well he has several vaults so there should be more

You don't think they moved them all at once?

It would seem like the most logical thing to me.

Musze said:

This is a good move, plain and simple. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't do this already.

I spend millions (in my day job) securing off site evidence that needs to be far more secure than music and I use Iron Mountain, who are one of only a few companies that offer top level facilities.

The only question I would have is their knowledge of digitisation of music. They offer digitisation, but music archiving might not be there speciality. That said, the article doesn't confirm they will be the ones doing the digitisation.

Hopefully they will use a specialist.

paulludvig said:

SquirrelMeat said:

we will see how his legacy turns out. If it turns out well in the long run, great. But regardless he will never get to see any of the respect he is just now starting to really get in the mainstream (since the 1980's, that is. yes, I know people loved the Superbowl performance but most of the public were just shocked he could play a guitar...I was there at the superbowl--that is mostly what impressed people.) .. Money ain't everything. He worked too damn hard and even though he loved to work, life is a balance. Did he have that balance? I don't think so. Yes, he sent everyone away but he needed help not obedience. you think he was sick, but did he have to die from taking a stupid pill with no will around to take care of his legacy? I think his death was accidental and tragic and he shouldn't have been alone. I was watching some clips about his Baltimore song and some tv personalities in new zealand in 2015 were talking about hte legendary Prince like he was some old geezer hasbeen with the equivalvent importance of that Andrew whats-his-name from Wham. To non-fanatics or non-musicians, or non-industry insiders, he was just a relic from the 80's. The dude on the show stated that no-one would listen to Prince's music on the radio and the lady responded that it was because P was "kind of alternative music." Prince not being to decide whether he was a mainstream superstar or independent arthouse musican was partly the problem. He was too iconic, but his music was too obscure outside of certain circles.

laurarichardson said:

It is not obvious that his carreer was everything to him. What you call short sided was profitable for him. According to Jacuqi Thomas when they did Crystal Ball they sold 250k these things were sold for 50.00 a piece. Do the math on that. Not only that the estate owns all this stuff so it can all be reissued forever. If the estate did not own it it would be stuck in WB's vault with all the other Prince stuff they have been sitting on for almost 40 years and have done nothing with. The live performance were taped and kept by Prince not WB and we will get to see them and the estate will continue to make money for generations.

He lived the way he wanted and was alone the night he died because he sent everyone away. He did what he wanted when he wanted. Even Morris Day said everything Prince said he was going to do a child exactually happened.

purplerabbithole said:

Prince had as many major successes as failures. and that is a part of life. But a career isn't everything and a legacy isn't just about spreading yourself too thin and making money. its all relative obviously but compare his legacy and money to Bowie. Bowie (in my opinon) is not nearly as talented as P (even though I adore Bowie and own albums and movies of his), but he knew how to take care of his legacy even as he got older and continue to release arthouse music that was for his niche audience. . The dude was as rich as Prince (even though he hadn't had hit albums for years) with apparently a happy home life and a long term marriage. He died surrounded by loved ones with an acclaimed album readily available to everyone and Bowie didn't have to sell out his integrity or be a shill to the record company to do so. I just think Prince lacked that healthy balance. Really Prince's legacy was hurt by short-sided distribution of his albums (albums put out only on websites and through tabloids etc leading to those albums being out of print or hard to find.) Prince's live performances could have been a massive part of his legacy (in this regard, he is almost flawless) but he didn't see the value of actually letting the online world see them to provoke more interest. it was a flawed business outlook he had..IMO. Prince seemed like a guy who threw the baby out with the bathwater..most of the time (The WB stuff around the time of AOA was a smart move however.)

I just read all about Iron Mountain Entertainment Services on their website, and I couldn't be happier. Let's face it, the tapes are in much better hands now for restoration, preservation, and digitalization than they ever were in Prince's hands. Finally, his legacy is being fully protected!