I studied Classical Studies at High School and University and feel I know a bit about it. From everything I see and read, my guess is Prince's knowledge of Greece and Rome (And even Egypt) is superficial at best. .
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^The main focus of this thread is not about Prince's actual knowledge of the ancient greco-roman world, nor does it try to measure, compare or prove anyone's level of intelligence. It is only exploring the possible influences of the classical era as observed throughout his work. [Edited 10/2/17 1:20am] Life Matters | |
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Adorecream said: I studied Classical Studies at High School and University and feel I know a bit about it. From everything I see and read, my guess is Prince's knowledge of Greece and Rome (And even Egypt) is superficial at best. . SNIP - Race baiting -OF4$ you consistently type the most uninformed, stupidest, most blatantly obvious racist shit on this site... but im sure you already know that... | |
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RJOrion said: Adorecream said: I studied Classical Studies at High School and University and feel I know a bit about it. From everything I see and read, my guess is Prince's knowledge of Greece and Rome (And even Egypt) is superficial at best. . SNIP - Race baiting -OF4$ you consistently type the most uninformed, stupidest, most blatantly obvious racist shit on this site... but im sure you already know that... I just dont know how someone can be so racist and be a fan of a black man. Baby, you're a star.
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I think your racist ass should be permanently banned from this site SNIP | |
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The thing is, Adore is probably right about Prince's classical knowledge. He just ruïned it with that last sentence... | |
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NorthC said: The thing is, Adore is probably right about Prince's classical knowledge. He just ruïned it with that last sentence... So all of Princes knowlwdge about classics came from the bible? He couldnt possibly have read anything other than the bible could he? There are obvious influences in Princes work that are not from the bible. Adorecream is a racist who cannot fathom a black man might be well read and able to comprehend way beyond the numeric label he has foisted upon the whole black race. Smh Baby, you're a star.
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BillieBalloon said: NorthC said: The thing is, Adore is probably right about Prince's classical knowledge. He just ruïned it with that last sentence... So all of Princes knowlwdge about classics came from the bible? He couldnt possibly have read anything other than the bible could he? There are obvious influences in Princes work that are not from the bible. Adorecream is a racist who cannot fathom a black man might be well read and able to comprehend way beyond the numeric label he has foisted upon the whole black race. Smh Notice the use of the word "probably". We cannot know what Prince did or didn't read, but he certainly quoted the Bible a whole lot more than the ancient philosophers. So Adore's first comment was not that far fetched. As for the second part of his post... I don't like it any more than you or RJ or Guitarhero, but I won't go into it.. . It's not worth it... | |
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Van Jones is a pure fam when it comes to Prince, i'm not gonna take his word for it to be honest. Don't get me wrong, i'm sure Prince read a few books in his time but his work speaks for itself, he was by and large dealing in pop culture. No shame in that, his ability to take the smallest idea and build on his own thoughts and personal mythology is unparalled. [Edited 10/2/17 6:17am] | |
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There was a rack of books in his office which has been discussed on this board. He appears to have been well read and not one person who knew him has said he was a moron. Was he self-indulgent and over the top sure but that does not mean he had the intellect of a 5 year old.
There is a tremendous amount of racial sterotyping on this board which bizzare considering Prince was black and unapoligetically about it.
I am also tired of the anti-Christian nonsense. Because someone reads and knows their Bible that does not mean they know of nothing else.
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Yes, because you spent time in his home checking out his bookshelf and you know he only read a few book? Do you know how snobby that comes off? Everybody who knew Prince did not have a meeting on April 21 and decide to get their lies straight.
Estates cannot sue for defamation so there is no reason for people to lie about anything. Implying that all of Prince's friends are big fat liars is insulting.
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lauraplease, don't put words in my mouth; and childish words at that, 'a big fat liar'
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Apollo was the twin brother of Artemis (also called Cynthia). He was the god of music, and he is often depicted playing a golden lyre. He was also known as the Archer, far shooting with a silver bow; the god of healing, giving the science of medicine to man; the god of light; and the god of truth. His holy tree was the laurel, and According to legend, Apollo was born on the Greek island of Delos and grew to adulthood in just four days. To escape the island, he changed himself into a dolphin and caused a great storm on the sea. Apollo then threw himself on the deck of a ship in distress and led it safely to shore. Having reached the mainland, Apollo set off for Pytho, the site of an important oracle of Gaia, the earth goddess. A monstrous serpent named Python not only guarded the place but also spoke the oracle's prophecies. Apollo killed Python and took the oracle for himself. The name of the site was changed to Delphi because Apollo had become a dolphin ( delphis in Greek) in order to reach it. http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Am-Ar/Apollo.html Dolphins were not however merely useful in their parts. Many sources from the ancient world record legends and tales of live dolphins coming to the aid of humans. This is a reputation they still share today. The constellation Delphinus, the Dolphin, has several myths attached to how a dolphin may have ended up in the heavens. One is that it was placed there by Poseidon in memory of Delphinus, king of dolphins, who helped him in a seduction, but the other refers to a rescue by a dolphin. The poet Arion of Lesbos had amassed a fortune serving as a court performer and was returning home. The crew of the ship he was on decided that money in their pockets was better than money in his. They robbed him and were about to cast him overboard when he asked to be allowed to sing one last song. He sang a mournful dirge and then threw himself overboard. Instead of drowning, Arion was saved by dolphins that had been moved by his performance. Aristophanes and Euripides both refer to ‘music-loving dolphins’ in their works, so it must have been a well known trope of dolphin stories.
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It was clear the discussion on Egypt and Africa was off topic and here is the continuance of a discussion of Egypt.
If anyone wants to discuss Prince's information of other parts of Africa or other parts of Africa in Prince's music, that would be great. But to continue another debate/discussion outside the OPs topic is derailing the thread.
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In this Purple Rain scene, there is a(n) (Apollo?) mask with flames flashing from behind the eyes towards Apollonia who has just entered the room... Life Matters | |
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"1000 X's & 0's" looks like a modern (and expanded) version of the famous "Catallus 5": Catallus 5 by Gaius Valerius Catullus Latin Poet of the late Roman Republic (Translation) Let us live, my Lesbia, and let us love,
By Prince (Hit N Run, 2015) (Page 1) You work so hard, you really do
I don't think that anyone could work as hard as you Hot desert sun, you can feel the heat Every drop of sweat on your brow is well earned so you best believe I got 1, 000 hugs and kisses for you when you come back home, baby I got 1, 000 hugs and kisses for you when you come back home, baby (Turn the page) When you give 'em your all, and still it's only second best You can come and lay your head upon your baby's chest Every one of your worries (all your worries) All your miseries (all your miseries) You can put them in a little boat and ship them off 2 sea Cause... I got a 1, 000 hugs and kisses for you when you come back home baby ooooo I got a 1, 000 hugs and kisses for you when you come back home baby ooooo I got a 1, 000 hugs and kisses for you when you come back home Come here! The world can be, well 2 put it frankly, such a bitch sometimes Seems like love that lasts 4ever is kinda hard 2 find Most of the people we know just lookin' for a reason 2 cry As long as you got me I got your back and this is why You work so hard, you really do I don't think that anyone could work as hard as you You can lock the door, you better turn off your phone Cause I'm gonna give 1, 000 reasons why we need 2 be alone. Ohhhh ohhh oooo I got 1, 000 hugs for you, baby, when you get back home When you get back home. Suga babe oooooh I wanna hold you, tie you up in lace I wanna kiss you, kiss you all over your face I wanna love ya, all up and down Give you love like you never had, blindfold, gagged and bound I wanna love ya baby One time Two times Three times uh I got 1, 000 hugs and kisses, when you come back home, baby Love you up and love you down Give you love 'til you make them sounds
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The origins of Purple
Tyrian purple
Tyrian purple (Greek, πορφύρα, porphyra, Latin: purpura), also known as Phoenician purple, Tyrian red, royal purple, imperial purple or imperial dye, is a bromine-containing reddish-purple natural dye. It is a secretion produced by several species of predatory sea snails in the family Muricidae, rock snails originally known by the name Murex. In ancient times, extracting this dye involved tens of thousands of snails and substantial labor, and as a result, the dye was highly valued.
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Tyrian purple was expensive: the 4th-century-BC historian Theopompus reported, "Purple for dyes fetched its weight in silver at Colophon" in Asia Minor.[6] The expense meant that purple-dyed textiles became status symbols, and early sumptuary laws restricted their uses. The production of Tyrian purple was tightly controlled in Byzantium and was subsidized by the imperial court, which restricted its use for the colouring of imperial silks.[7] Later (9th century)[8] a child born to a reigning emperor was said to be porphyrogenitos, "born in the purple". Life Matters | |
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The Temple of Saturn, among the ruins of the Roman Forum, Rome.
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CherryMoon57 said: The origins of Purple
Tyrian purpleTyrian purple (Greek, πορφύρα, porphyra, Latin: purpura), also known as Phoenician purple, Tyrian red, royal purple, imperial purple or imperial dye, is a bromine-containing reddish-purple natural dye. It is a secretion produced by several species of predatory sea snails in the family Muricidae, rock snails originally known by the name Murex. In ancient times, extracting this dye involved tens of thousands of snails and substantial labor, and as a result, the dye was highly valued.
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Tyrian purple was expensive: the 4th-century-BC historian Theopompus reported, "Purple for dyes fetched its weight in silver at Colophon" in Asia Minor.[6] The expense meant that purple-dyed textiles became status symbols, and early sumptuary laws restricted their uses. The production of Tyrian purple was tightly controlled in Byzantium and was subsidized by the imperial court, which restricted its use for the colouring of imperial silks.[7] Later (9th century)[8] a child born to a reigning emperor was said to be porphyrogenitos, "born in the purple". I don’t think Prince’s adoption of purple has anything to do with any interest he may have had in or, or his limited knowledge of, Ancient Rome. It’s been a colour associated with music for a while. "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"" ~ Isaac Asimov | |
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Juno (mythology)Juno is the divine protectress of the community, who shows both a sovereign and a fertility character, often associated with a military one. She was present in many towns of ancient Italy.
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For what it's worth... 'In ancient Roman religion, Pales was a deity of shepherds, flocks and livestock. Regarded as male by some sources and female by others, Pales can be either singular or plural in Latin, and refers at least once to a pair of deities. Pales' festival, called the Parilia, was celebrated on April 21.' PariliaIn ancient Roman religion, the Parilia is a festival of rural character performed annually on 21 April, aimed at cleansing both sheep and shepherd. It is carried out in acknowledgment to the Roman deity Pales, a deity of uncertain gender who was a patron of shepherds and sheep.[1] Ovid describes the Parilia at length in the Fasti, an elegiac poem on the Roman religious calendar, and implies that it predates the founding of Rome, traditionally 753 BC, as indicated by its pastoral, pre-agricultural concerns. During the Republic, farming was idealized and central to Roman identity, so the festival took on a more generally rural character. Increasing urbanization caused the rustic Parilia to be reinterpreted rather than abandoned, as Rome was an intensely traditional society. During the Imperial period, the date was celebrated as the "birthday" of Rome (dies natalis Romae). CeremonyThe pastoral structure of the festival is carried out by the shepherd himself. After the sheep pen had been decorated with green branches and a wreath draped on the gate, the remainder of the ceremony took place in sequence. At the first sign of daylight, the shepherd would purify the sheep: by sweeping the pen and then constructing a bonfire of straw, olive branches, laurel, and sulfur. The noises produced by this burning combination were interpreted as a beneficial omen. The shepherd would jump through this flame, dragging his sheep along with him. Offerings of millet, cakes, and milk were then presented before Pales, marking the second segment of the ceremony. After these offerings, the shepherd would wet his hands with dew, face the east, and repeat a prayer four times. Such prayers requested Pales’s assistance in freeing the shepherd and the flock from evils brought about by accidental wrongdoings (e.g. trespassing on sacred grounds and removing water from a sacred water source).[2] The final portion of the rural festival made use of the beverage burranica, a combination of milk and sapa (boiled wine). After consumption of this beverage, the shepherd would leap through the fire three times, bringing an end to the ceremony.[3] The urban form of the Parilia, on the other hand, is blended with other Roman religious practices and carried out by a priest. Ovid personally participated in this form and describes his experiences in the Fasti.[4] While the central actions of the rural ceremony carry over, the urban form adds two ingredients from other religious festivals: the Fordicidia and the October Horse. The Fordicidia sacrifices a pregnant cow to the deity Tellus to promote cattle and field fertility. The unborn calf is then removed from the womb and burnt. The October Horse is the right hand horse of the team that won a particular chariot race on October 15 of the previous year.[5] Together, the ashes of the unborn calf and the blood from the head of the October Horse are mixed by the Vestals and are added to the burning bean straw of the bonfire.[2] Dumézil questioned whether the Equus October provided the horse blood,[6] since the two ancient sources that mention the ingredient omit identifying the victim.[7] HistoryBy the end of the late Republic, the Parilia became associated with the birthday of Rome.[8] Numerous accounts of the founding of Rome exist, but the particular one related to the Parilia is described by Ovid in the Fasti. According to this myth, Romulus, upon reaching Rome on the day of the Parilia, took a stick and engraved a line in the ground that defined the boundaries of the new city (pomerium). He then prayed to the gods Jupiter, Mars, and Vesta asking for protection of this area. However, his brother Remus, unaware of the boundaries, crossed the line and was struck down by Romulus's henchman Celer.[4] Over time, and under the influence of several Roman rulers, the structure of the Parilia changed. First, after Julius Caesar heard the news of Roman Victory at Munda in 45 BC (around the date of the Parilia), he added games to the ceremony. At these games, the citizens would wear crowns in Caesar’s honor. Caligula instituted into the celebration a procession of priests, noblemen, boys and girls of noble birth singing of his virtues while escorting the Golden Shield, previously bestowed upon him by the citizens of Rome, to the Capitol.[citation needed] At this time the Parilia became Rome's birthday celebration rather than the rural festival it had once been.[citation needed] In 121 AD Hadrian founded a new temple of Venus and Roma and changed the festival’s name to Romaea. The temple was ruined.[clarification needed][1] [9] Life Matters | |
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The song Revelation mentions: "Through English glamour, casting a spell Not totally sure what he means by it, but I feel he is viewing those cultures (or just Roman?) in a negative way, in which those cultures perverted the truth about black (Egyptian) history. ? | |
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