laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Yes I am aware of the legit supply via Kirk = still dodgy.

There was no situation set up to look a certain way. Occam's Razor determines, Prince was the guy to have all staff absent, Prince was the guy who switched cameras off, Prince was the guy who likely racked up 65k of hospital expenses due to ill effects on his body from long term opiate dependence/addiction (longer than few months at least). Even the haphazard concoction of different illicit pills found at PP (antithetical to the idea they were custom made) gravitates away from any 'intentional homicide'.

No it does not. Prince had the means and money to set up the stituation any why that he wanted. You keep using Occam's Razor the only problem is when did Prince keep anything simple?

He could set up any stituation he wanted and did so many times. He was the master of illusion and misdirection and it was often done on purpose. He even told PJ Jones his tour manager from 79 he did not want the public to really know to much about him and we still are finding out stuff now.

He could have set this stituation up to appear to be an accidental overdose when it was really a suicide or he could have had a incompotent person obtaining these meds for him that screwed up.

Or someone could have been really pissed off at him ( doubtful because of all the other substances in his system I suspect he was going to die without the Fentenyl)

The theory works great for a person who did not spend his whole life just doing things the simple way but we are not discussing those people. Just the discussion of a POA in the Tidal court case should raise some eyebrows. Why would Prince give anyone POA? Unless something was wrong or going to be wrong.

Occam's razor

:a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

"keep it simple" concept

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Difficult to set up a situation either explicitly accidental OD or suicide (without leaving a note). Prince was a complex, cryptic guy. He wouldn't have wanted circumstances surrounding his final days to be overtly obvious or high profile.

fortuneandserendipity said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Just to get this clear. Is there anyone from the circle who believe that suicide is possible?
I mean even without a letter, there a signs you can notice before one kills themselves.
It's just so disturbing to think that he might have killed himself...

I don't think so. I mean I'll be stunned.
I'm still going with the accident, personally. I prefer it over any other option.
But I'm thinking about this strange pose of him holding his new guitar, and he looks like it's weighting a ton. The only way I can consider this bleak option is if he was terminally ill.
But then again, would you casually go to the Wrecka Stow in this case?

Man, I'm gonna blast "Black Muse" right now, it's getting too depressing.
Hold on to your soul, y'all.

bonatoc said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Just to get this clear. Is there anyone from the circle who believe that suicide is possible?
I mean even without a letter, there a signs you can notice before one kills themselves.
It's just so disturbing to think that he might have killed himself...

I don't think so. I mean I'll be stunned.
I'm still going with the accident, personally. I prefer it over any other option.
But I'm thinking about this strange pose of him holding his new guitar, and he looks like it's weighting a ton. The only way I can consider this bleak option is if he was terminally ill.
But then again, would you casually go to the Wrecka Stow in this case?

Man, I'm gonna blast "Black Muse" right now, it's getting too depressing.
Hold on to your soul, y'all.

Jesus, I really hope that this case will be clear one day! I just want an honest and clear answer.

But here's what I think. IF it was suicide, then why doesn't anybody from his circle say that they atleast noticed something? If there was no letter, then they wouldn't know if he wanted it to be a secret right? Like, they wouldn't know that they shouldn't mention anything that could make you believe it was suicide.

Man, we're running in circles, I just want an answer.

purplefam99 said:

I feel terminal illness is somewhere in this story. Cancer that had spread. Perhaps the reason for the tear. Prospect of treating cancer and dampening an opioid dependency Is daunting. That is a lot of effort to undertake basically Alone he had no one who was gonna wipe his face or help him bathe Or give the care you need while undertaking cancer treatment. I'm sure Someone would have, his sister surely, if asked but he didn't Have those connections to people. ugh all of it, all Possibilities are disheartening.

But why would they keep a terminal illnes a secret? It wouldn't tarnish his legacy.

If you don't think his sister would have done everything in her power to change the inevitable, then you just aren't thinking clearly. Tyka told us she knew 2 years ago... 2 years before he passed. Think about that, and I mean REALLY think about that. Does she need to spell it out any further? No, no she doesn't. Here's how you spell it out though: terminal illness. Sure it's my opinion, I have no proof, but there it is. It's the only thing that makes any sense at all with everything out there. Does it matter as to how you feel about him? If it does matter in a negative fashion, then you'd seriously need to reevaluate your ideas about people. Everyone does what they have to do.

Mumio said:

If you don't think his sister would have done everything in her power to change the inevitable, then you just aren't thinking clearly. Tyka told us she knew 2 years ago... 2 years before he passed. Think about that, and I mean REALLY think about that. Does she need to spell it out any further? No, no she doesn't. Here's how you spell it out though: terminal illness. Sure it's my opinion, I have no proof, but there it is. It's the only thing that makes any sense at all with everything out there. Does it matter as to how you feel about him? If it does matter in a negative fashion, then you'd seriously need to reevaluate your ideas about people. Everyone does what they have to do.

Who are you talking to? Everybody?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mumio said:

If you don't think his sister would have done everything in her power to change the inevitable, then you just aren't thinking clearly. Tyka told us she knew 2 years ago... 2 years before he passed. Think about that, and I mean REALLY think about that. Does she need to spell it out any further? No, no she doesn't. Here's how you spell it out though: terminal illness. Sure it's my opinion, I have no proof, but there it is. It's the only thing that makes any sense at all with everything out there. Does it matter as to how you feel about him? If it does matter in a negative fashion, then you'd seriously need to reevaluate your ideas about people. Everyone does what they have to do.

Who are you talking to? Everybody?

Well, yes...I am It's a forum and that's what happens in these places. Not every comment needs to be directed specifically to just one person, especially when the information being passed along pertains to several previous posts and some may not know the info or haven't/can't put it together.

Is that okay?

Mumio said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Who are you talking to? Everybody?

Well, yes...I am It's a forum and that's what happens in these places. Not every comment needs to be directed specifically to just one person, especially when the information being passed along pertains to several previous posts and some may not know the info or haven't/can't put it together.

Is that okay?

I'm totally fine with that, it was just a question

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mumio said:

Well, yes...I am It's a forum and that's what happens in these places. Not every comment needs to be directed specifically to just one person, especially when the information being passed along pertains to several previous posts and some may not know the info or haven't/can't put it together.

Is that okay?

I'm totally fine with that, it was just a question

Excellent.

Have a good night/weekend.

Mumio said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm totally fine with that, it was just a question

Excellent.

Have a good night/weekend.

you too

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

I feel terminal illness is somewhere in this story. Cancer that had spread. Perhaps the reason for the tear. Prospect of treating cancer and dampening an opioid dependency Is daunting. That is a lot of effort to undertake basically Alone he had no one who was gonna wipe his face or help him bathe Or give the care you need while undertaking cancer treatment. I'm sure Someone would have, his sister surely, if asked but he didn't Have those connections to people. ugh all of it, all Possibilities are disheartening.

But why would they keep a terminal illnes a secret? It wouldn't tarnish his legacy.

And how often do you hear of families of the rich and famous revealing a terminal illness to the public?

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But why would they keep a terminal illnes a secret? It wouldn't tarnish his legacy.

And how often do you hear of families of the rich and famous revealing a terminal illness to the public?

We know it from Lemmy, Bowie and we even know that Kurt Cobain had a terminal illnes. Why would they still investigate if the autopsy results show a terminal illnes?

EDIT: What I wanted to say about Kurt Cobain, he had some problems with his stomach or something.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

And how often do you hear of families of the rich and famous revealing a terminal illness to the public?

We know it from Lemmy, Bowie and we even know that Kurt Cobain had a terminal illnes. Why would they still investigate if the autopsy results show a terminal illnes?

EDIT: What I wanted to say about Kurt Cobain, he had some problems with his stomach or something.

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Bowie did not know that his cancer was terminal until three months prior to his death from what I understand. His familiy did not reveal that he had a terminal illness to the public prior to this death. Kurt may have had a terminal illness but I dont think that his family ever revealed that to the public because the cause of death was suicide. Lenny is not Prince's family.

Very rare that family members discuss such grave things with the general public. Had it not been for autopsies ,we would be in the dark about much of this.

Either way, most of us suspected something was wrong sans any confirmed medical diagnosis given.

Lastly, one may be assuming that a family member may have had that information. If he was that good at hiding the purchase, procurement and usage of various illegal substances from those in his immediate care, we can ascertain that whatever was going on was his own secret.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

We know it from Lemmy, Bowie and we even know that Kurt Cobain had a terminal illnes. Why would they still investigate if the autopsy results show a terminal illnes?

EDIT: What I wanted to say about Kurt Cobain, he had some problems with his stomach or something.

[Edited 10/20/17 18:21pm]

Bowie did not know that his cancer was terminal until three months prior to his death from what I understand. His familiy did not reveal that he had a terminal illness to the public prior to this death. Kurt may have had a terminal illness but I dont think that his family ever revealed that to the public because the cause of death was suicide. Lenny is not Prince's family.

Very rare that family members discuss such grave things with the general public. Had it not been for autopsies ,we would be in the dark about much of this.

Either way, most of us suspected something was wrong sans any confirmed medical diagnosis given.

Lastly, one may be assuming that a family member may have had that information. If he was that good at hiding the purchase, procurement and usage of various illegal substances from those in his immediate care, we can ascertain that whatever was going on was his own secret.

I'd rather make it public than let the press guess what the reason was.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Bowie did not know that his cancer was terminal until three months prior to his death from what I understand. His familiy did not reveal that he had a terminal illness to the public prior to this death. Kurt may have had a terminal illness but I dont think that his family ever revealed that to the public because the cause of death was suicide. Lenny is not Prince's family.

Very rare that family members discuss such grave things with the general public. Had it not been for autopsies ,we would be in the dark about much of this.

Either way, most of us suspected something was wrong sans any confirmed medical diagnosis given.

Lastly, one may be assuming that a family member may have had that information. If he was that good at hiding the purchase, procurement and usage of various illegal substances from those in his immediate care, we can ascertain that whatever was going on was his own secret.

I'd rather make it public than let the press guess what the reason was.

Thankfully , you're not related to Prince.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'd rather make it public than let the press guess what the reason was.

Thankfully , you're not related to Prince.

What would be so wrong with that? It would clear things up. Do you even know what some people assume just because they beat around the bush? They assume murder, they assume suicide. Some go as far as to make people around him suspects.

Making a terminal illnes public wouldn't tarnish his legacy. The press assuming that he was just another drughead maybe does.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Thankfully , you're not related to Prince.

What would be so wrong with that? It would clear things up. Do you even know what some people assume just because they beat around the bush? They assume murder, they assume suicide. Some go as far as to make people around him suspects.

Making a terminal illnes public wouldn't tarnish his legacy. The press assuming that he was just another drughead maybe does.

Your "maybe " could be a million things and cannot be quantified. We know what his legacy is right now yet we dont know what type of terminal illness he had. So the matter is settled.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

What would be so wrong with that? It would clear things up. Do you even know what some people assume just because they beat around the bush? They assume murder, they assume suicide. Some go as far as to make people around him suspects.

Making a terminal illnes public wouldn't tarnish his legacy. The press assuming that he was just another drughead maybe does.

Your "maybe " could be a million things and cannot be quantified. We know what his legacy is right now yet we dont know what type of terminal illness he had. So the matter is settled.

Making it public would shut the speculations down.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Your "maybe " could be a million things and cannot be quantified. We know what his legacy is right now yet we dont know what type of terminal illness he had. So the matter is settled.

Making it public would shut the speculations down.

You seem reasonable enough. You should concern yourself with your own thoughts and let speculators , speculate about his legacy. Unless of course, you are in doubt about what his legacy is. If so, revisit the body of work and soothe your wandering mind. Afterall, 40+ years should give you plenty to work with.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Your "maybe " could be a million things and cannot be quantified. We know what his legacy is right now yet we dont know what type of terminal illness he had. So the matter is settled.

Making it public would shut the speculations down.

You dont really believe that do you?

There is always going to be the conspiracy theorists who would disagree.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Making it public would shut the speculations down.

You dont really believe that do you?

There is always going to be the conspiracy theorists who would disagree.

Yes there would. But they are here anyways, so why not making it public? Because there are conspiracy theorists who'd disagree?

You know what I think? I think it's more a shame not to make it public because of his image, or for whatever reason. Because his image could get tarnished if people believe that he was just an addict, when there's the possibilty that he wasn't.

Just look at the two scenarios:

1. Prince was addicted to pain killers and died of an overdose.

2. He was terminal ill, took the medics because of that and maybe killed himself because he didn't want to live this way.

Wich scenario would tarnish his image more? Since we all know how the press works.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Making it public would shut the speculations down.

You seem reasonable enough. You should concern yourself with your own thoughts and let speculators , speculate about his legacy. Unless of course, you are in doubt about what his legacy is. If so, revisit the body of work and soothe your wandering mind. Afterall, 40+ years should give you plenty to work with.

Oh I know his body of work. You know who else got a amazing Body of Work? MJ! Remember his legacy? And what the press does because of allagations and his death? Don't fool yourself, we all know how the press works. To them Prince is just another drughead who didn't make it to rehab.

We Fans know his legacy, but the public tends to trash talk rock stars who died of drug overdose.

EDIT: All I say is that IF he was terminal ill, what's the matter with making it public? It would clear things up, case closed. Don't give a fuck about conspiracy theorists, Prince could've popped pills infront them, collapsed and they'd still think that somebody killed him. There's no big deal if he was terminal ill, that's life, it happens.

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[Behave snip - luv4u]

He died of a drug overdose. Simple as, not cancer. Pain killers. Get your head round it

antonb said:

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

What would be so wrong with that? It would clear things up. Do you even know what some people assume just because they beat around the bush? They assume murder, they assume suicide. Some go as far as to make people around him suspects.

Making a terminal illnes public wouldn't tarnish his legacy. The press assuming that he was just another drughead maybe does.

Your "maybe " could be a million things and cannot be quantified. We know what his legacy is right now yet we dont know what type of terminal illness he had. So the matter is settled.

We don't even know IF it was a terminal illness.

antonb said:

He died of a drug overdose. Simple as, not cancer. Pain killers. Get your head round it

The FACT that so many here have come up with alternative scenarios and explanations for his death says one thing: there is so much shame and disgrace in being a drug addict that Prince's 'fans' cannot accept that he was an addict. Which is why is probably never outed himself, sought help, went to rehab, spoke out to help save others. Fan induced shame and silence were a factor in his death.