fortuneandserendipity said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

fortuneandserendipity said: o.k. So they analyzed the remaing pills which contained a certain percentage of fentanyl, no guessing, they know exactly how much fentanyl is in the unused pills..they also know how much fentanyl was in princes system at the time of death. Again...easy math to figure out how many pills were taken...So why is it so hard to believe the investigation actually knows how many pills were taken? I don't know, you don't know, but they know

NO they don't know (who is 'they' anyway?!) There were different batches of pills, some containing fentanyl, some not. It's also entirely possible P had a very small batch where he downed every single pill therein, and left none behind.

So there is no way to know for sure how many pills were in his system, post mortem. The only thing they do know is levels of different substances in his bloodstream, liver etc. That information provides no proof of how many pills he took. What is so difficult about that to understand?

This post is entirely true.

bonatoc said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

NO they don't know (who is 'they' anyway?!) There were different batches of pills, some containing fentanyl, some not. It's also entirely possible P had a very small batch where he downed every single pill therein, and left none behind.

So there is no way to know for sure how many pills were in his system, post mortem. The only thing they do know is levels of different substances in his bloodstream, liver etc. That information provides no proof of how many pills he took. What is so difficult about that to understand?

Suggesting others are so dumb they don't get what YOU consider an evidence
is not the best way to get your point across...

To me, the through-the-roof levels found simply don't match the last Atlanta show,
which was just a week before.
Maybe some medical authority could share their opinions about what activities
such levels allow to do (giving a show, riding a bike, going to the Wrecka Stow), just to see of your implying of Prince
having these levels in his blood on a regular basis stand the test.

The third eye pic, the "don't waste your prayers", April 21st (SISIA recording session anniversary)
and finally the OD levels make me think of suicide. I sure hope it isn't the case,
but the razor's bullshit appears, in this case, particularly sharp to me.

I really wish for it to be just a tragic accident, Prince not knowing what he was taking.
As for the lethal cocktail equivalent not found anywhere around Minnie,
it could come from anywhere (Atlanta, Darknet), but it sure is puzzling.

[Edited 10/16/17 9:16am]

I don't think he was murdered, but, I also don't necessarily feel this was a suicide. I went back and re-read the CNN article that mentions "don't waste your prayers" and it appears this statmenet is being misinterpeted. The link is below and so is the quote from the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/health/prince-last-days/index.html

"Michael Holz, a DJ at many of those parties, was there Saturday. Prince made a passing reference to the emergency landing, he told WCCO."He basically said when you hear news, give it a few days before you waste any prayers," Holz said.The appearance seemed aimed at proving he was alive and well, Minneapolis Star-Tribune music critic Jon Bream wrote the next day."

leec1 said:

bonatoc said:

Suggesting others are so dumb they don't get what YOU consider an evidence
is not the best way to get your point across...

To me, the through-the-roof levels found simply don't match the last Atlanta show,
which was just a week before.
Maybe some medical authority could share their opinions about what activities
such levels allow to do (giving a show, riding a bike, going to the Wrecka Stow), just to see of your implying of Prince
having these levels in his blood on a regular basis stand the test.

The third eye pic, the "don't waste your prayers", April 21st (SISIA recording session anniversary)
and finally the OD levels make me think of suicide. I sure hope it isn't the case,
but the razor's bullshit appears, in this case, particularly sharp to me.

I really wish for it to be just a tragic accident, Prince not knowing what he was taking.
As for the lethal cocktail equivalent not found anywhere around Minnie,
it could come from anywhere (Atlanta, Darknet), but it sure is puzzling.

[Edited 10/16/17 9:16am]

I don't think he was murdered, but, I also don't necessarily feel this was a suicide. I went back and re-read the CNN article that mentions "don't waste your prayers" and it appears this statmenet is being misinterpeted. The link is below and so is the quote from the article.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/health/prince-last-days/index.html

"Michael Holz, a DJ at many of those parties, was there Saturday. Prince made a passing reference to the emergency landing, he told WCCO."He basically said when you hear news, give it a few days before you waste any prayers," Holz said.The appearance seemed aimed at proving he was alive and well, Minneapolis Star-Tribune music critic Jon Bream wrote the next day."

You bold comments do not address the rest of the questions that have been posted. We do not know how many pills Prince took but if the rumors are true and he had a high concenration of this stuff maybe he took a whole bottle of pills ( would that not be suicide even if did not know what was in the pills ) or he took one pill despite having access to legit pills.

Or he was given bad pills which he thought were the usual. Do any of these senerios sound good to you doubting Thomas's. Suicide or someone slipping him something.

fortuneandserendipity said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

fortuneandserendipity said: Hahahahahaah....No one around here ever claims more authority and super knowledge than you, especially on this subject...come on,just for fun,go back and read your post and then say that again with a straight face

Here's a better suggestion. Highlight one of my previous posts where I contradict what I say above. You and a few others on here keep assuming speculation as fact. Go back and read your own posts again, then get back to me.

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See facts of people trying to break into PP.

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https://www.co.carver.mn.us/home/showdocument?id=7375

FBI file with threats Keep in my 14 pages of this were not even releashed to the public.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-had-an-fbi-file/424071063/

http://www.fox9.com/news/prince-death-investigation-documents-to-remain-sealed

Pay attention to this one because the police are telling you they have suspects.

Why the documents are sealed

According to the court order: “Both state and federal law enforcement agencies continue an active, multi-agency investigation into the death of Prince Rogers Nelson, most commonly referred to as Prince. There are reasonable grounds to believe that making this search warrant public could create a substantial risk of a search or a related search to become unsuccessful or severely hamper an ongoing investigation.”

The request filed in Carver County court listed several specific reasons to renew the search warrant seal:

“This is a very active homicide investigation regarding a high profile American celebrity, Prince Rogers Nelson, better known as Prince, who died of an opiate overdose.”

“Both the Carver County Sheriff and the United States Drug Enforcement Agency is actively investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of Prince. There are a number of potential witnesses who have yet to be interviewed. Information obtained as a result of this search warrant is not generally known to these potential witnesses or the public at large. This data is important ‘hold back’ information that cannot be released so as to protect the integrity of pending interviews and investigation. The data collected as part of this active and ongoing death investigation constitutes confidential data as classified by Minn. Stat. 13.82, Sub. 7 (criminal investigative data). In addition, law enforcement continues to seek records, documents and other data from across the United States.”

“Premature disclosure of data contained in this search warrant and the fruits of its search could cause potential suspects to flee; result in potential evidence being altered or destroyed; potentially provide an incentive for collusion of testimony between potential co-conspirators; give effective notice such that other suspects are on notice of a potential investigation, surveillance or search; may motivate witness tampering schemes; may compromise potential witness statements if media representatives interview witnesses before law enforcement investigators."

[Edited 10/16/17 12:18pm]

With a high probability of SKipper himself continuing to peek the Org threads from time to time,
even from a thousand light years from here, let's try to not waste Kilobytes of server hard disk drives
by getting mad at each other.

Given the 30 years Minnesota law, we ain't close to have the last word on it, if ever.
We have nothing but speculations, deductions, blurred and sharp facts,
but also our intelligences to balance what may be true or not.

This is a very difficult subject, and surely the cause of moments of furious anger and deep depression amongst us all,
as all relatives left with unexplained reasons for the demise of a dearest one.
Let's try to play Sherlock Holmes' with some kind of kindness.

Sorry to sound like a patronizing mod, this is not my intent.
I just think we should try to focus our anger towards the ones who deserve it,
even if for the moment they're invisible and in the unknown,
instead of one another.

This is standard boilerplate language in search warrants.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Here's a better suggestion. Highlight one of my previous posts where I contradict what I say above. You and a few others on here keep assuming speculation as fact. Go back and read your own posts again, then get back to me.

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See facts of people trying to break into PP.

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https://www.co.carver.mn.us/home/showdocument?id=7375

FBI file with threats Keep in my 14 pages of this were not even releashed.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-had-an-fbi-file/424071063/

http://www.fox9.com/news/prince-death-investigation-documents-to-remain-sealed

Pay attention to this one because the police are telling you they have suspects.

Why the documents are sealed

According to the court order: “Both state and federal law enforcement agencies continue an active, multi-agency investigation into the death of Prince Rogers Nelson, most commonly referred to as Prince. There are reasonable grounds to believe that making this search warrant public could create a substantial risk of a search or a related search to become unsuccessful or severely hamper an ongoing investigation.”

The request filed in Carver County court listed several specific reasons to renew the search warrant seal:

“This is a very active homicide investigation regarding a high profile American celebrity, Prince Rogers Nelson, better known as Prince, who died of an opiate overdose.”

“Both the Carver County Sheriff and the United States Drug Enforcement Agency is actively investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of Prince. There are a number of potential witnesses who have yet to be interviewed. Information obtained as a result of this search warrant is not generally known to these potential witnesses or the public at large. This data is important ‘hold back’ information that cannot be released so as to protect the integrity of pending interviews and investigation. The data collected as part of this active and ongoing death investigation constitutes confidential data as classified by Minn. Stat. 13.82, Sub. 7 (criminal investigative data). In addition, law enforcement continues to seek records, documents and other data from across the United States.”

“Premature disclosure of data contained in this search warrant and the fruits of its search could cause potential suspects to flee; result in potential evidence being altered or destroyed; potentially provide an incentive for collusion of testimony between potential co-conspirators; give effective notice such that other suspects are on notice of a potential investigation, surveillance or search; may motivate witness tampering schemes; may compromise potential witness statements if media representatives interview witnesses before law enforcement investigators."

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is standard boilerplate language in search warrants.

laurarichardson said:

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See facts of people trying to break into PP.

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https://www.co.carver.mn.us/home/showdocument?id=7375

FBI file with threats Keep in my 14 pages of this were not even releashed.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-had-an-fbi-file/424071063/

http://www.fox9.com/news/prince-death-investigation-documents-to-remain-sealed

Pay attention to this one because the police are telling you they have suspects.

Why the documents are sealed

According to the court order: “Both state and federal law enforcement agencies continue an active, multi-agency investigation into the death of Prince Rogers Nelson, most commonly referred to as Prince. There are reasonable grounds to believe that making this search warrant public could create a substantial risk of a search or a related search to become unsuccessful or severely hamper an ongoing investigation.”

The request filed in Carver County court listed several specific reasons to renew the search warrant seal:

“This is a very active homicide investigation regarding a high profile American celebrity, Prince Rogers Nelson, better known as Prince, who died of an opiate overdose.”

“Both the Carver County Sheriff and the United States Drug Enforcement Agency is actively investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of Prince. There are a number of potential witnesses who have yet to be interviewed. Information obtained as a result of this search warrant is not generally known to these potential witnesses or the public at large. This data is important ‘hold back’ information that cannot be released so as to protect the integrity of pending interviews and investigation. The data collected as part of this active and ongoing death investigation constitutes confidential data as classified by Minn. Stat. 13.82, Sub. 7 (criminal investigative data). In addition, law enforcement continues to seek records, documents and other data from across the United States.”

“Premature disclosure of data contained in this search warrant and the fruits of its search could cause potential suspects to flee; result in potential evidence being altered or destroyed; potentially provide an incentive for collusion of testimony between potential co-conspirators; give effective notice such that other suspects are on notice of a potential investigation, surveillance or search; may motivate witness tampering schemes; may compromise potential witness statements if media representatives interview witnesses before law enforcement investigators."

How about the press release from the police? What does that have to do with boilerplace language. They held off on the search warrent because they did not want to alert potential suspects. They let the warrents go out when they were not able to make any progress on their leads.

We would not have had access to those warrents if they had evidence to move forward.

bonatoc said:

With a high probability of SKipper himself continuing to peek the Org threads from time to time,
even from a thousand light years from here, let's try to not waste Kilobytes of server hard disk drives
by getting mad at each other.

Given the 30 years Minnesota law, we ain't close to have the last word on it, if ever.
We have nothing but speculations, deductions, blurred and sharp facts,
but also our intelligences to balance what may be true or not.

This is a very difficult subject, and surely the cause of moments of furious anger and deep depression amongst us all,
as all relatives left with unexplained reasons for the demise of a dearest one.
Let's try to play Sherlock Holmes' with some kind of kindness.

Sorry to sound like a patronizing mod, this is not my intent.
I just think we should try to focus our anger towards the ones who deserve it,
even if for the moment they're invisible and in the unknown,
instead of one another.

ut also our intelligences to balance what may be true or not.

Exactly and thank you. If some people want to believe in conicedences then fine but do not try and sell them to other people.

bonatoc said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

You bold comments do not address the rest of the questions that have been posted. We do not know how many pills Prince took but if the rumors are true and he had a high concenration of this stuff maybe he took a whole bottle of pills ( would that not be suicide even if did not know what was in the pills ) or he took one pill despite having access to legit pills.

Or he was given bad pills which he thought were the usual. Do any of these senerios sound good to you doubting Thomas's. Suicide or someone slipping him something.

For now, until more credible information is forthcoming, I view this as an accident. I do not have answers as to how many pills were taken, etc.

I am listing another link which is to the New York Times article published in May with quotes from the doctor who heads Minnesota's opiod work group created by the governor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...eries.html

“Prince’s death has raised the profile of the opioid crisis even further,” said Dr. Chris Johnson, chairman of the Minnesota Department of Human Services Opioid Prescribing Work Group.

“Even though Prince’s final dose and exit was illicit,” Dr. Johnson said, “the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path.”

bonatoc said:

leec1 said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

For now, until more credible information is forthcoming, I view this as an accident. I do not have answers as to how many pills were taken, etc.

I am listing another link which is to the New York Times article published in May with quotes from the doctor who heads Minnesota's opiod work group created by the governor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...eries.html

“Prince’s death has raised the profile of the opioid crisis even further,” said Dr. Chris Johnson, chairman of the Minnesota Department of Human Services Opioid Prescribing Work Group.

“Even though Prince’s final dose and exit was illicit,” Dr. Johnson said, “the reason he needed it was because of the years of prescriptions that got him on that path.”

I do not doubt he legit problems that made it necessary for him to use these pills the question is what happened to make this stiuation go bad in January of 2016.

Your question is a valid one and I don't know if we will ever find out the answer.

Because of the length of time that has passed by in this investigation, it seems doubtful to me that anyone will ever be charged as I don't feel they have sufficient evidence.

leec1 said:

purplefam99 said:

Bonatoc what do U think that " don't waste your prayers" comment was about?
It Always has puzzled me.

To be honest, I have no idea.

Could be "I finally decided to go into rehab in a few days, wish me luck".
Could be "The pain is just too much, the only way I could keep on was to take painkillers for years, and I'm tired of it, I'm ready to go".
Could also be, it's been said above, "I'm Okay, don't panic".
In a very Princely fashion, he was cryptic until the very end.

There is also "I am transformed", and "Just when U thought U were safe...",
and again, the eyes closed and the third eye open.

So were his inner twins contradicting themselves, as usual?
Because all of this don't quite match the funny "Wrecka Stow Dress" tweet,
the presentation of his Yamaha piano and guitar, and the positivity of the last lyrics found in the studio.
Hit'n'Run II is a very uplifting album, yet the coda of "Black Muse", and "Revelation",
could mean something deeper than it seems.

Then again, listening to last show (amidst the cretins ruining it with inappropriate timing screams),
it doesn't sound like a man who has decided to give up.
Sure, given his abilities and experience, you could say Prince was on auto-pilot,
but the joyous interactions with the crowd, especially on "Cream", they don't speak to me of resignation.

Oh, and the biography. Turning PP into a museum.
Prince showed a lot of signs that could mean he was finally ready to give up the celebrity bullshit
and become more accessible. Ready to share, ready to teach.
All the positive signs are in favour of the tragic accident theory.
And the SISIA anniversary may just be a celestial nod.

But if he chose to depart on purpose, I can't blame him.
He packed several lifetimes into one, and gave us so much, we're never going to get tired of it.

Like a journalist said: "While a cause of death hasn't been released yet,
it seems that Prince didn't want his fans worrying about his health,
and remained forever committed to sharing his music and love with his followers".
A Man.

[Edited 10/17/17 6:18am]

bonatoc said:

purplefam99 said:

Bonatoc what do U think that " don't waste your prayers" comment was about?
It Always has puzzled me.

To be honest, I have no idea.

Could be "I finally decided to go into rehab in a few days, wish me luck".
Could be "The pain is just too much, the only way I could keep on was to take painkillers for years, and I'm tired of it, I'm ready to go".
Could also be, it's been said above, "I'm Okay, don't panic".
In a very Princely fashion, he was cryptic until the very end.

There is also "I am transformed", and "Just when U thought U were safe...",
and again, the eyes closed and the third eye open.

So were his inner twins contradicting themselves, as usual?
Because all of this don't quite match the funny "Wrecka Stow Dress" tweet,
the presentation of his Yamaha piano and guitar, and the positivity of the last lyrics found in the studio.
Hit'n'Run II is a very uplifting album, yet the coda of "Black Muse", and "Revelation",
could mean something deeper than it seems.

Then again, listening to last show (amidst the cretins ruining it with inappropriate timing screams),
it doesn't sound like a man who has decided to give up.
Sure, given his abilities and experience, you could say Prince was on auto-pilot,
but the joyous interactions with the crowd, especially on "Cream", they don't speak to me of resignation.

Oh, and the biography. Turning PP into a museum.
Prince showed a lot of signs that could mean he was finally ready to give up the celebrity bullshit
and become more accessible. Ready to share, ready to teach.
All the positive signs are in favour of the tragic accident theory.
And the SISIA anniversary may just be a celestial nod.

But if he chose to depart on purpose, I can't blame him.
He packed several lifetimes into one, and gave us so much, we're never going to get tired of it.

Like a journalist said: "While a cause of death hasn't been released yet,
it seems that Prince didn't want his fans worrying about his health,
and remained forever committed to sharing his music and love with his followers".
A Man.

[Edited 10/17/17 6:18am]

All good points and plausible.

bonatoc said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said:

Your question is a valid one and I don't know if we will ever find out the answer.

Because of the length of time that has passed by in this investigation, it seems doubtful to me that anyone will ever be charged as I don't feel they have sufficient evidence.

Exactly, someone knows something and I believe it is more then one person involved. If no one talks case remains unsolved.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

leec1 said: Exactly, someone knows something and I believe it is more then one person involved. If no one talks case remains unsolved.

When are you going to remove your head from the sand?

[Edited 10/20/17 5:04am]

laurarichardson said:

When are you going to remove your head from the sand?

[Edited 10/20/17 5:04am]

Every batch of pills found on paisley park premises was dodgy. A few different batches, all containing multiple ingredients. Does that suggest to you one 'rogue' pill among many already dodgy ones? Highly unlikely. They were all illicit pills, a fact that seems blithely ignored. But if you want to believe certain pills were 'slipped' and that justifies your cognitive dissonance, then fine go ahead.

I thought the warrants clearly said that it wasn't suicide? Why are some people still believing it was?

ThatWhiteDude said:

I thought the warrants clearly said that it wasn't suicide? Why are some people still believing it was?

Aren't they clueless as we are?
Nobody was with Prince, the cameras were shut off, it's not like they can wake him up and ask him about it. So "clearly", in this particular case, is pretty foggy to me.
I think that you don't rule out suicide unless it's very obvious (hanging, an explicit note left).
Since there is a fair chance for it to be an accident, they preferred to go that way (you don't want to take the risk of fragile fans following the example in the next days).
Does it mean they're absolutely right? I wouldn't say so. No one really knows.

bonatoc said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I thought the warrants clearly said that it wasn't suicide? Why are some people still believing it was?

Aren't they clueless as we are?
Nobody was with Prince, the cameras were shut off, it's not like they can wake him up and ask him about it. So "clearly", in this particular case, is pretty foggy to me.
I think that you don't rule out suicide unless it's very obvious (hanging, an explicit note left).
Since there is a fair chance for it to be an accident, they preferred to go that way (you don't want to take the risk of fragile fans following the example in the next days).
Does it mean they're absolutely right? I wouldn't say so. No one really knows.

Exactly they cannot say it was "suicide" because they do not have any evidence however, just stop and think about the circumstances.

No cameras, giving everyone the week off, the rumor that he told people to come and get their stuff,

no evidence that he was having drug or health issues until January, making amends with people,

doing what appeared to be a fair well tour, leaving detailed instructions concerning Paisley Park, putting in a business structure for his publishing and masters, and getting a hold of bogus pills when he had access to legit pills and the fact that we have not heard of anyone in the tri-state area dying of the exact concontion that killed Prince.

Plenty of pluasible reasons to think suicide but not enough evidence and trust me the family is not going to want to probe into this to change the ME's decision.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

When are you going to remove your head from the sand?

[Edited 10/20/17 5:04am]

Every batch of pills found on paisley park premises was dodgy. A few different batches, all containing multiple ingredients. Does that suggest to you one 'rogue' pill among many already dodgy ones? Highly unlikely. They were all illicit pills, a fact that seems blithely ignored. But if you want to believe certain pills were 'slipped' and that justifies your cognitive dissonance, then fine go ahead.

Could have been slipped on done on purpose. I am not sure were you are getting the idea that every batch was dodgy. We know he had access to a legit supply via Kirk.

We all know there were illicit pills and we know that the enitre stituation was set up to look they way it looks. Prince could have had anyone stay with him and if he overdoes trust me things would have been cleaned up long before the police arrived but that did not happen. No cameras, all staff given the week off but making sure a few people were going to be on the scence the next day to find him.

If you want to believe that telling people to get their stuff out of Paisley was said for no reason then go ahead. If you want to believe that he had a 65k hospital bill for illegal drugs go ahead. If you want to believe a man that had his underware custom made cannot have some pills custom made go ahead. If you want to think that people with money are actually going to get medical treatment or meds in the USA and leave a paper trial go ahead. I would say if you want to believe his sister knew he was going to die two years ahead go ahead. If you think it is normal to call a sister and say "he is gone" go ahead.

I would say if he had a plan it is working very well.

bonatoc said:

With a high probability of SKipper himself continuing to peek the Org threads from time to time,
even from a thousand light years from here, let's try to not waste Kilobytes of server hard disk drives
by getting mad at each other.

Given the 30 years Minnesota law, we ain't close to have the last word on it, if ever.
We have nothing but speculations, deductions, blurred and sharp facts,
but also our intelligences to balance what may be true or not.

This is a very difficult subject, and surely the cause of moments of furious anger and deep depression amongst us all,
as all relatives left with unexplained reasons for the demise of a dearest one.
Let's try to play Sherlock Holmes' with some kind of kindness.

Sorry to sound like a patronizing mod, this is not my intent.
I just think we should try to focus our anger towards the ones who deserve it,
even if for the moment they're invisible and in the unknown,
instead of one another.

Well said. Should be a time of healing not division.

bonatoc said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I thought the warrants clearly said that it wasn't suicide? Why are some people still believing it was?

There is nothing in the warrants that clearly said it wasnt suicide.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Every batch of pills found on paisley park premises was dodgy. A few different batches, all containing multiple ingredients. Does that suggest to you one 'rogue' pill among many already dodgy ones? Highly unlikely. They were all illicit pills, a fact that seems blithely ignored. But if you want to believe certain pills were 'slipped' and that justifies your cognitive dissonance, then fine go ahead.

Could have been slipped on done on purpose. I am not sure were you are getting the idea that every batch was dodgy. We know he had access to a legit supply via Kirk.

We all know there were illicit pills and we know that the enitre stituation was set up to look they way it looks. Prince could have had anyone stay with him and if he overdoes trust me things would have been cleaned up long before the police arrived but that did not happen. No cameras, all staff given the week off but making sure a few people were going to be on the scence the next day to find him.

If you want to believe that telling people to get their stuff out of Paisley was said for no reason then go ahead. If you want to believe that he had a 65k hospital bill for illegal drugs go ahead. If you want to believe a man that had his underware custom made cannot have some pills custom made go ahead. If you want to think that people with money are actually going to get medical treatment or meds in the USA and leave a paper trial go ahead. I would say if you want to believe his sister knew he was going to die two years ahead go ahead. If you think it is normal to call a sister and say "he is gone" go ahead.

I would say if he had a plan it is working very well.

Yes I am aware of the legit supply via Kirk = still dodgy.

There was no situation set up to look a certain way. Occam's Razor determines, Prince was the guy to have all staff absent, Prince was the guy who switched cameras off, Prince was the guy who likely racked up 65k of hospital expenses due to ill effects on his body from long term opiate dependence/addiction (longer than few months at least). Even the haphazard concoction of different illicit pills found at PP (antithetical to the idea they were custom made) gravitates away from any 'intentional homicide'.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Could have been slipped on done on purpose. I am not sure were you are getting the idea that every batch was dodgy. We know he had access to a legit supply via Kirk.

We all know there were illicit pills and we know that the enitre stituation was set up to look they way it looks. Prince could have had anyone stay with him and if he overdoes trust me things would have been cleaned up long before the police arrived but that did not happen. No cameras, all staff given the week off but making sure a few people were going to be on the scence the next day to find him.

If you want to believe that telling people to get their stuff out of Paisley was said for no reason then go ahead. If you want to believe that he had a 65k hospital bill for illegal drugs go ahead. If you want to believe a man that had his underware custom made cannot have some pills custom made go ahead. If you want to think that people with money are actually going to get medical treatment or meds in the USA and leave a paper trial go ahead. I would say if you want to believe his sister knew he was going to die two years ahead go ahead. If you think it is normal to call a sister and say "he is gone" go ahead.

I would say if he had a plan it is working very well.

Yes I am aware of the legit supply via Kirk = still dodgy.

There was no situation set up to look a certain way. Occam's Razor determines, Prince was the guy to have all staff absent, Prince was the guy who switched cameras off, Prince was the guy who likely racked up 65k of hospital expenses due to ill effects on his body from long term opiate dependence/addiction (longer than few months at least). Even the haphazard concoction of different illicit pills found at PP (antithetical to the idea they were custom made) gravitates away from any 'intentional homicide'.

No it does not. Prince had the means and money to set up the stituation any why that he wanted. You keep using Occam's Razor the only problem is when did Prince keep anything simple?

He could set up any stituation he wanted and did so many times. He was the master of illusion and misdirection and it was often done on purpose. He even told PJ Jones his tour manager from 79 he did not want the public to really know to much about him and we still are finding out stuff now.

He could have set this stituation up to appear to be an accidental overdose when it was really a suicide or he could have had a incompotent person obtaining these meds for him that screwed up.

Or someone could have been really pissed off at him ( doubtful because of all the other substances in his system I suspect he was going to die without the Fentenyl)

The theory works great for a person who did not spend his whole life just doing things the simple way but we are not discussing those people. Just the discussion of a POA in the Tidal court case should raise some eyebrows. Why would Prince give anyone POA? Unless something was wrong or going to be wrong.

Occam's razor

"keep it simple" concept

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