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Reply #480 posted 10/04/17 10:22am

NotACleverName

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laurarichardson said:



NotACleverName said:


PeteSilas said:

why? because for me, it's outside of what most drugs do to people. i've heard the accounts of functional morphine addicts so i guess it has some truth to it. I watched several docus on them too, one, made in seattle where the newsman was saying "you don't seem any different" after the lady shot up, the lady said something like it doesn't make you incoherent it keeps you from getting sick. I wouldn't know, most drugs cause problems of one kind or another, and not even just from the drug but the impact it has on a persons thinking, people feel ashamed, start isolating, start projecting on people, they get wierd, i saw a drug as harmless as pot cause a 180 degree change in a former friend. I don't have firsthand knowledge of opiates outside of a couple people, one guy was a vet who nodded off all the time, he was grandiose, he staggered around, eventually cut his own finger off accidentally on the job, so, i wouldn't say they don't make EVERYONE an imbecile, they clearly ruin people's lives.


Why what, Pete? I'm not clear on how to answer the why so, could you please clarify? Lots of things ruin people's lives. Food, for instance. Too much can have detrimental affects. Yes, there are going to be withdrawal effects when one discontinues any drug your body becomes acclimated to. However, I am confused and somewhat dismayed that you would introduce someone "shooting up" into a conversation about Prince. You are veering into a very different scenario and that upsets me to a certain degree. How does that apply? I would imagine one would feel shame because of the aforementioned....equating (inference, perhaps) a street drug (heroin = shooting up to stay well) with a pain mgmt regime. Somewhat insensitive, imo. Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known.

Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known. But that person would be under pain mgmt they would not be abusing them. No way is someone going to be taking hugh amounts of this stuff off the books and it would have no effect on them. Prince was still doing a 101 things, interacting with people and traveling half way across the world. It does not make sense. We also are not getting any info from anyone about this addiction when the tabs would pay big bucks for drug stories.


The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

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Reply #481 posted 10/04/17 10:51am

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muleFunk said:

Mumio said:



Thanks, but here's the thing about this information: there is nothing other than this article saying this. There is no official documentation of this info anywhere that I've been able to find. So it's really hearsay, as I noted previously in this thread. Unless you've been able to locate an official document? If you have then we would appreciate it if you'd give a link here.

There's way too much so-called info about Prince's death and the circumstances surrounding it that is nothing more than "sources" rather than true official back up for what is being said. That doesn't sit well with me.





You are correct.

Yet that's been the case with every other thing except the fact that he is dead.

Like I said earlier this report IMO came from a different source and with a different agenda which was to let people know that something very strange took place with this OD.



I know you can't answer this, but I am really fed up with all the so-called info out there with no back up. This is very specific info from the tox report supposedly, isn't that protected by HIPAA? At a certain point, I might not have thought much of anything about a bit of unsubstantiated info and just went with it. But it's just gotten to be way too much now, too much being fed to us with nothing official to go along with it. All these "sources" and "leaks" shake All of that has really muddied the waters further. It's not helping, and without the legal back up it's a 50/50 situation. I'll listen but I am not buying anything without legitimate documentation/proof anymore.


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Reply #482 posted 10/04/17 11:28am

PeteSilas

jill took what back it back? how?

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

they knew, jill jones said that she was talking with applonia and some other lady at vanity's funeral and said "he's on something" when he walked up to them and asked what they were talking about. one of my former best friends sounds like your former boyfriend, my best friend started taking pot, and it was a long, drawn out, very inconsistent journey to the bottom of our friendship, even though, i never judged him, not smoking with him was just as bad as condemning him. He lied to his girlfriend too, promised to stop, didn't, then acted hurt when she kicked him out, just crazy. about four years ago, i called him once and he just lit into me, insulted me in every possible way, it was confusing as fuck then and still is today. fuck drugs, and fuck the people that use them, i can't do it anymore, i've been patient enough.

Then Jill took it back and why is she the only one that noticed. I supsect he was greiving hard. The promoter in Australia said he did not think Prince was going to be able to do the show he was so upset.

I think we can cut him some slack at the funeral.

[Edited 10/4/17 11:29am]

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Reply #483 posted 10/04/17 11:40am

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Unless there is some large scale conspiracy by Warner Brothers to never allow coverage of what that story found out about his levels of fentanyl, how can we assume that 'leak' has any merit when it has not been covered by any other source?

Mumio said:

muleFunk said:

You are correct.

Yet that's been the case with every other thing except the fact that he is dead.

Like I said earlier this report IMO came from a different source and with a different agenda which was to let people know that something very strange took place with this OD.



I know you can't answer this, but I am really fed up with all the so-called info out there with no back up. This is very specific info from the tox report supposedly, isn't that protected by HIPAA? At a certain point, I might not have thought much of anything about a bit of unsubstantiated info and just went with it. But it's just gotten to be way too much now, too much being fed to us with nothing official to go along with it. All these "sources" and "leaks" shake All of that has really muddied the waters further. It's not helping, and without the legal back up it's a 50/50 situation. I'll listen but I am not buying anything without legitimate documentation/proof anymore.


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Reply #484 posted 10/04/17 11:43am

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

I will tell you what he was going to do.


Peer to peer distrubution -

what like piratebay... or amazon resellers? Nothing revolutionary about that. In fact he tried the latter with Hit 'n' Run 2. as for digital peer to peer that's just a way to get free stuff


Being his own admin -

as in be his own secretary? he already did the 'own his own label' schtick. wouldn't exactly have been a 'trotskyist' move, unless he took on receptionist duties as well l o l


One word " Shades of Umber"

there was only one (ahem!) and he recorded that in 2013. nothing new there


He had health issues like millions of other people it does not mean his life was not fabulous because no one is promised a pain free and troubled exsistence.

true but noone really guessed the extent. most thought he was over hip issues

Peer to Peer

What are you babbling about? He was doing Peer to Peer with Hit and Run independently of any corporation. That is kind of the fucking point of it. He was not using Amazon resellers WTF

Being his own admin -

He was the admin for his publishing which very few artist have tried to do. And stop saying would have he set this up in 2014 he was doing it.

One word " Shades of Umber"

That song was recorded with others in a similar vein for an album with Blue Note.

Micheal B Nelson has actually discussed this project and how phenomeal the music is.

So it is something new since none have the entire project.

Health Issues

Because it was none of our business.


People were buying off amazon as mentioned here http://prince.org/msg/7/422963 long before official wider release. You can call it peer to peer - another way of saying 'reselling' - but that business model in context of music distribution is pointless and unproductive. He failed to push the numbers, and it didn't work promotionally either.

And when most people refer to 'peer to peer' what they mean is sharing of files between themselves, usually anonymously. God knows why P made that decision with Hit N Run. Maybe he was struggling to get anyone onside as per normal distribution deal. He managed it in '98 pushing 2 albums without use of a major and twice more in 2001/2002. He pretty much did the 'admin', as you would say, for those albums. Nothing new there.


Your original post made out he was aceing new tricks. Well he wasn't. And it's funny you mention 2014 since I never mentioned it. What was that thing Tyka quoted him saying just two years before... ?


Shade of Umber was recorded in 2013 before his final four album releases. The jazz album you're thinking of isn't album Black is the New Black (late 2015/early 2016). So don't bother conflating the two because they're from different periods.



[Edited 10/4/17 12:08pm]

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Reply #485 posted 10/04/17 11:52am

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HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Peer to Peer

What are you babbling about? He was doing Peer to Peer with Hit and Run independently of any corporation. That is kind of the fucking point of it. He was not using Amazon resellers WTF

Being his own admin -

He was the admin for his publishing which very few artist have tried to do. And stop saying would have he set this up in 2014 he was doing it.

One word " Shades of Umber"

That song was recorded with others in a similar vein for an album with Blue Note.

Micheal B Nelson has actually discussed this project and how phenomeal the music is.

So it is something new since none have the entire project.

Health Issues

Because it was none of our business.

People were buying off amazon as mentioned here http://prince.org/msg/7/422963 long before official wider release. You can call it peer to peer - another way of saying 'reselling' - but that business model in context of music distribution is pointless and unproductive. He failed to push the numbers, and it didn't work promotionally either.

And when most people refer to 'peer to peer' what they mean is sharing of files between themselves, usually anonymously. God knows why P made that decision with Hit N Run. Maybe he was struggling to get anyone onside as per normal distribution deal. He managed it in '98 pushing 2 albums without use of a major and twice more in 2001/2002. He pretty much did the 'admin', as you would say, for those albums. Nothing new there.


Your original post made out he was aceing new tricks. Well he wasn't. And it's funny you mention 2014 since I never mentioned it. What was that thing Tyka quoted him saying just two years before... ?


Shade of Umber was recorded in 2013 before his final four album releases. The jazz album you're thinking of isn't album Black is the New Black (2017). So don't bother conflating the two because they're from different periods.

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Reply #486 posted 10/04/17 11:58am

PeteSilas

you're saying both hitnruns were previous songs? is that a fact? not doubting, asking.

purplerabbithole said:

HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.

fortuneandserendipity said:

People were buying off amazon as mentioned here http://prince.org/msg/7/422963 long before official wider release. You can call it peer to peer - another way of saying 'reselling' - but that business model in context of music distribution is pointless and unproductive. He failed to push the numbers, and it didn't work promotionally either.

And when most people refer to 'peer to peer' what they mean is sharing of files between themselves, usually anonymously. God knows why P made that decision with Hit N Run. Maybe he was struggling to get anyone onside as per normal distribution deal. He managed it in '98 pushing 2 albums without use of a major and twice more in 2001/2002. He pretty much did the 'admin', as you would say, for those albums. Nothing new there.


Your original post made out he was aceing new tricks. Well he wasn't. And it's funny you mention 2014 since I never mentioned it. What was that thing Tyka quoted him saying just two years before... ?


Shade of Umber was recorded in 2013 before his final four album releases. The jazz album you're thinking of isn't album Black is the New Black (2017). So don't bother conflating the two because they're from different periods.

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Reply #487 posted 10/04/17 11:58am

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purplerabbithole said:

HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.





fortuneandserendipity said:




laurarichardson said:



Peer to Peer



What are you babbling about? He was doing Peer to Peer with Hit and Run independently of any corporation. That is kind of the fucking point of it. He was not using Amazon resellers WTF



Being his own admin -


He was the admin for his publishing which very few artist have tried to do. And stop saying would have he set this up in 2014 he was doing it.



One word " Shades of Umber"



That song was recorded with others in a similar vein for an album with Blue Note.


Micheal B Nelson has actually discussed this project and how phenomeal the music is.


So it is something new since none have the entire project.



Health Issues



Because it was none of our business.




People were buying off amazon as mentioned here http://prince.org/msg/7/422963 long before official wider release. You can call it peer to peer - another way of saying 'reselling' - but that business model in context of music distribution is pointless and unproductive. He failed to push the numbers, and it didn't work promotionally either.

And when most people refer to 'peer to peer' what they mean is sharing of files between themselves, usually anonymously. God knows why P made that decision with Hit N Run. Maybe he was struggling to get anyone onside as per normal distribution deal. He managed it in '98 pushing 2 albums without use of a major and twice more in 2001/2002. He pretty much did the 'admin', as you would say, for those albums. Nothing new there.



Your original post made out he was aceing new tricks. Well he wasn't. And it's funny you mention 2014 since I never mentioned it. What was that thing Tyka quoted him saying just two years before... ?



Shade of Umber was recorded in 2013 before his final four album releases. The jazz album you're thinking of isn't album Black is the New Black (2017). So don't bother conflating the two because they're from different periods.





Black is the New Black wasn't a jazz album. The jazz album for Blue Note maybe contained material recorded at different times, including Shades of Umber. That track dates back to some of the sessions for HitNRun Phase 2.

Or of course, as you state the entire Blue Note album may have been new. He certainly had numerous projects in progress.
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Reply #488 posted 10/04/17 12:21pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Peer to Peer

What are you babbling about? He was doing Peer to Peer with Hit and Run independently of any corporation. That is kind of the fucking point of it. He was not using Amazon resellers WTF

Being his own admin -

He was the admin for his publishing which very few artist have tried to do. And stop saying would have he set this up in 2014 he was doing it.

One word " Shades of Umber"

That song was recorded with others in a similar vein for an album with Blue Note.

Micheal B Nelson has actually discussed this project and how phenomeal the music is.

So it is something new since none have the entire project.

Health Issues

Because it was none of our business.


People were buying off amazon as mentioned here http://prince.org/msg/7/422963 long before official wider release. You can call it peer to peer - another way of saying 'reselling' - but that business model in context of music distribution is pointless and unproductive. He failed to push the numbers, and it didn't work promotionally either.

And when most people refer to 'peer to peer' what they mean is sharing of files between themselves, usually anonymously. God knows why P made that decision with Hit N Run. Maybe he was struggling to get anyone onside as per normal distribution deal. He managed it in '98 pushing 2 albums without use of a major and twice more in 2001/2002. He pretty much did the 'admin', as you would say, for those albums. Nothing new there.


Your original post made out he was aceing new tricks. Well he wasn't. And it's funny you mention 2014 since I never mentioned it. What was that thing Tyka quoted him saying just two years before... ?


Shade of Umber was recorded in 2013 before his final four album releases. The jazz album you're thinking of isn't album Black is the New Black (late 2015/early 2016). So don't bother conflating the two because they're from different periods.



[Edited 10/4/17 12:08pm]

I am discussing Funk4U and other fans who were selling the album for him. I am not discussing someone reselling their copy of Hit and Run via Amazon. I am not sure how any model that allows the producer to control the bulk of the profits is pointless and it is obvious he was not well enough to promote the record in the proper manner. I also never said he was the only one doing this. I just want you to name other mainstream artist who are doing it?

We I refer to peer to peer I am referring to fans selling and trading the record with other fans and consumer be it files or CDS. He did this with Hit N Run which could also be purchased from other retail outlets due to being independent release which would guarantee it no radio play or promotion. Streaming has killed sales so this was a manner to get sales for the project. You do realize the difference between paying a few bucks for a CD or whole file then the artist getting ¼ of penny a stream.

The admin I am referring to Prince being the administrator for his publishing. If someone wanted to use his music in movies or television shows that would have to seek permission and payment directly from NPG Publishing Inc not UMG which collects a few for those transactions. Not very many other artist are their own administrators of their publishing. In addition, it was new for Prince and rare for other artist to pull off.

I mention 2014 because that was when he started NPG Publishing see news article below ( Where have you been that you do not know about this? )

https://rollingout.com/20...ublishing/

I know Shade of Umber is not a part of Black Is The New Black and I mentioned to say that it is a very different track for him and appears to be a new direction he was going it. See article below.

http://www.rollingstone.c...h-20160429

Mentions “"Pangaea” and lots of orchestration

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Reply #489 posted 10/04/17 12:21pm

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OperatingThetan said:

purplerabbithole said:

HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.

Black is the New Black wasn't a jazz album. The jazz album for Blue Note maybe contained material recorded at different times, including Shades of Umber. That track dates back to some of the sessions for HitNRun Phase 2. Or of course, as you state the entire Blue Note album may have been new. He certainly had numerous projects in progress. [Edited 10/4/17 12:01pm]

Thank you

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Reply #490 posted 10/04/17 12:26pm

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laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

purplerabbithole said: Black is the New Black wasn't a jazz album. The jazz album for Blue Note maybe contained material recorded at different times, including Shades of Umber. That track dates back to some of the sessions for HitNRun Phase 2. Or of course, as you state the entire Blue Note album may have been new. He certainly had numerous projects in progress. [Edited 10/4/17 12:01pm]

Thank you

Did you skip school? Thetan wasn't disagreeing with me. You misinterpreted stuff again.

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Reply #491 posted 10/04/17 12:32pm

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PeteSilas said:

you're saying both hitnruns were previous songs? is that a fact? not doubting, asking.

purplerabbithole said:

HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.


What I gather from bio, recent albums at least were amalgam of vault songs and newer stuff. A few songs would be pulled from the vault and he would then base several new songs around that sound.

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

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Reply #492 posted 10/04/17 1:02pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

you're saying both hitnruns were previous songs? is that a fact? not doubting, asking.


What I gather from bio, recent albums at least were amalgam of vault songs and newer stuff. A few songs would be pulled from the vault and he would then base several new songs around that sound.

which bio is this? i haven't kept up too much on the recent glut of prince books put out, i've purposely stayed away from alex hahn's and mayte's.

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Reply #493 posted 10/04/17 1:13pm

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NotACleverName said:

The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

2009 Org Threads

eek

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Reply #494 posted 10/04/17 1:36pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



NotACleverName said:





The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

2009 Org Threads eek


Yes...I know. Simply pointing out that there has been speculation and discussion of pain medication use that spans years. I thought it applied to the "no one is talking" question....while those two threads don't coincide with post death info, people have talked. That is all.

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Reply #495 posted 10/05/17 4:35am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

you're saying both hitnruns were previous songs? is that a fact? not doubting, asking.


What I gather from bio, recent albums at least were amalgam of vault songs and newer stuff. A few songs would be pulled from the vault and he would then base several new songs around that sound.

I think you are gathering wrong. According to Michael B. Nelson Prince was working on new music in January of 2016. Morris Hayes claims that Prince recorded about 10 albums of material from 2010 to 2014 two of which he said he co-produced.

He continued to record right up and until the a few days before he passed away as a half completed song was found in his recording studio.

These little tidbits to me are being ignored due to the fact that it kind of blows the whole he was a raving dope in for the last few years out of the water and some of you just want to follow the narrative that is out there without really thinking about how many thiings do not make sense at all.

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NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known. But that person would be under pain mgmt they would not be abusing them. No way is someone going to be taking hugh amounts of this stuff off the books and it would have no effect on them. Prince was still doing a 101 things, interacting with people and traveling half way across the world. It does not make sense. We also are not getting any info from anyone about this addiction when the tabs would pay big bucks for drug stories.

The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

Or it could be that he was dependent on med and not addicted to the until January of 2016. Just a thought.

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Reply #497 posted 10/05/17 4:42am

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purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Then Jill took it back and why is she the only one that noticed. I supsect he was greiving hard. The promoter in Australia said he did not think Prince was going to be able to do the show he was so upset.

I think we can cut him some slack at the funeral.

some people have a really good sixth sense, she may be one of those people. but yes funerals get

a pass, people get drunk at funerals. that said if she felt something i am sure that sinks her now.

so hard.

What is odd is that she said they did have a rather long conversation about her daughters music and Prince told Jill that her daughter should not have signed a deal and that he might be able to help.

It seems like they had a nice long coversation so I am having a hard time understanding how that happends if he was high out his ass at the furneral.

My guess is he was greiving and just not himself.

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Reply #498 posted 10/05/17 7:04am

purplefam99

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

some people have a really good sixth sense, she may be one of those people. but yes funerals get

a pass, people get drunk at funerals. that said if she felt something i am sure that sinks her now.

so hard.

What is odd is that she said they did have a rather long conversation about her daughters music and Prince told Jill that her daughter should not have signed a deal and that he might be able to help.

It seems like they had a nice long coversation so I am having a hard time understanding how that happends if he was high out his ass at the furneral.

My guess is he was greiving and just not himself.

or maybe just medicated enough that SHE could tell that something was off. she spent a lot of time

with him and was kinda the work wife in my opinion for a bit. i think she knew him quite well and

even tho she hadnt seen him in a while knew something was off, maybe that enabled to know even

better that something was off cause she hadnt seen him for years. I doubt he was "high off his Ass"

cause then it would have been appareant to everyone and then surely an intervention would have been at first hand. hmmmm i don't know but helps talking about it.

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Reply #499 posted 10/05/17 7:17am

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laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said: The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

Or it could be that he was dependent on med and not addicted to the until January of 2016. Just a thought.


I bend towards this. If you start heroin, you're basically fucked,
especially if it comes under the form of an official, legal drug.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

What is odd is that she said they did have a rather long conversation about her daughters music and Prince told Jill that her daughter should not have signed a deal and that he might be able to help.

It seems like they had a nice long coversation so I am having a hard time understanding how that happends if he was high out his ass at the furneral.

My guess is he was greiving and just not himself.

or maybe just medicated enough that SHE could tell that something was off. she spent a lot of time

with him and was kinda the work wife in my opinion for a bit. i think she knew him quite well and

even tho she hadnt seen him in a while knew something was off, maybe that enabled to know even

better that something was off cause she hadnt seen him for years. I doubt he was "high off his Ass"

cause then it would have been appareant to everyone and then surely an intervention would have been at first hand. hmmmm i don't know but helps talking about it.

Well that is the thing if you are abusing alcohol or drugs you are high out of your ass and people notice. We are just not getting those sort of stories about him and mean he was still driving around his hometown and had his license renewed a few weeks before he died. Was he driving high?

A few people who worked for him said at one time he had a nice wine collection. Was drinking wine while taking pain killers?

It does not add up.

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Reply #501 posted 10/05/17 12:14pm

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


What I gather from bio, recent albums at least were amalgam of vault songs and newer stuff. A few songs would be pulled from the vault and he would then base several new songs around that sound.

I think you are gathering wrong. According to Michael B. Nelson Prince was working on new music in January of 2016. Morris Hayes claims that Prince recorded about 10 albums of material from 2010 to 2014 two of which he said he co-produced.

He continued to record right up and until the a few days before he passed away as a half completed song was found in his recording studio.

These little tidbits to me are being ignored due to the fact that it kind of blows the whole he was a raving dope in for the last few years out of the water and some of you just want to follow the narrative that is out there without really thinking about how many thiings do not make sense at all.

I never said he wasn't recording new music all the way through. It wouldn't surprise me if he had recorded a new song in his very last week. Furthermore, I'd personally be disappointed if he only recorded 10 albums between 2010-2014. He was said by Susan Rogers to have recorded an album a week during the 80s. All that said, I would be absolutely amazed if he discovered a new sound Jan' 16 onwards, nor likely would he have done at any point- had he lived. He was just way way too prolific not to have covered all the ground by the age of 57.

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #502 posted 10/05/17 12:21pm

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PeteSilas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


What I gather from bio, recent albums at least were amalgam of vault songs and newer stuff. A few songs would be pulled from the vault and he would then base several new songs around that sound.

which bio is this? i haven't kept up too much on the recent glut of prince books put out, i've purposely stayed away from alex hahn's and mayte's.

I read selectively from a book in a bookstore. Very recent, published posthumously, glossy, big font, eliciting other people's opinions of him. It was a recent engineeer if I recall right, recalling his time with Prince.

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #503 posted 10/05/17 5:06pm

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God this thread. What's happened to this place?

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Reply #504 posted 10/05/17 5:57pm

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NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known. But that person would be under pain mgmt they would not be abusing them. No way is someone going to be taking hugh amounts of this stuff off the books and it would have no effect on them. Prince was still doing a 101 things, interacting with people and traveling half way across the world. It does not make sense. We also are not getting any info from anyone about this addiction when the tabs would pay big bucks for drug stories.

The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

yeahthat

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NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



NotACleverName said:





The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson

2009 Org Threads eek


Yes...I know. Simply pointing out that there has been speculation and discussion of pain medication use that spans years. I thought it applied to the "no one is talking" question....while those two threads don't coincide with post death info, people have talked. That is all.


But we have no why of knowing if he had an Rx back then or if he was abusing these meds if he had surgery he would have had an Rx for meds. People may have been discussing his use of pain meds for maintenance. We know what Tavis Smiley said he was taking meds for pain. He seemed to be aware.
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fortuneandserendipity said:



laurarichardson said:




fortuneandserendipity said:




What I gather from bio, recent albums at least were amalgam of vault songs and newer stuff. A few songs would be pulled from the vault and he would then base several new songs around that sound.



I think you are gathering wrong. According to Michael B. Nelson Prince was working on new music in January of 2016. Morris Hayes claims that Prince recorded about 10 albums of material from 2010 to 2014 two of which he said he co-produced.



He continued to record right up and until the a few days before he passed away as a half completed song was found in his recording studio.



These little tidbits to me are being ignored due to the fact that it kind of blows the whole he was a raving dope in for the last few years out of the water and some of you just want to follow the narrative that is out there without really thinking about how many thiings do not make sense at all.



I never said he wasn't recording new music all the way through. It wouldn't surprise me if he had recorded a new song in his very last week. Furthermore, I'd personally be disappointed if he only recorded 10 albums between 2010-2014. He was said by Susan Rogers to have recorded an album a week during the 80s. All that said, I would be absolutely amazed if he discovered a new sound Jan' 16 onwards, nor likely would he have done at any point- had he lived. He was just way way too prolific not to have covered all the ground by the age of 57.


--I provide the link to the Michael B Nelson interview he seems to think Prince was working on some incredible stuff and does not believe he was a drug addict. He lasted worked with him on January. Can none of you see s pattern about what was going on before January and after?
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I have to say something about those associates who non-challantly contend that Prince was no drug addict. Unless they are out there demanding more attention be paid to his 'murder' or unless they are strongly stating that they think it was a suicide/illness, I don't buy what they are selling.. they either don't know one way or another or they know absolutely that he was taking drugs and they turned a blind eye at the time --nbut after he died, they went along with the old narrative that he was clean living because they themselves do not want to look like enablers or indifferent employees. Its only a handful of later employees who state that he was no drug addict and then they just drop it like that with no outrage, explanation. Where are the demands for justice if they really believe he was a victim of foul play? Where is the pity if they thought he was sick or suicical?

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purplerabbithole said:

I have to say something about those associates who non-challantly contend that Prince was no drug addict. Unless they are out there demanding more attention be paid to his 'murder' or unless they are strongly stating that they think it was a suicide/illness, I don't buy what they are selling.. they either don't know one way or another or they know absolutely that he was taking drugs and they turned a blind eye at the time --nbut after he died, they went along with the old narrative that he was clean living because they themselves do not want to look like enablers or indifferent employees. Its only a handful of later employees who state that he was no drug addict and then they just drop it like that with no outrage, explanation. Where are the demands for justice if they really believe he was a victim of foul play? Where is the pity if they thought he was sick or suicical?



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The interview with Michael B Nelson was done either the day Prince died or the day after he was very adament that when he finished working with Prince in Janaury nothing was wrong and that he thought something was wrong about whole story. You cannot discount what people have to say who looked him in the face for months on end working on long projects and musically complicated music.
Abuse means overuse and these pills have very bad side effects we hear nothing about a change in his behavior until January from the chefs yet Prince felt comfortable enough to go half way across the world which just would not seem like something you would do if you were dealing with just withdrawals. I also did not know that withdrawals made people lose muscle definition which almost never happens with guys. Prince always had good biceps and abs. Even when he was thin in the 90s his look on his last tour was one of frailness.
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Reply #509 posted 10/06/17 5:34am

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purplerabbithole said:

I have to say something about those associates who non-challantly contend that Prince was no drug addict. Unless they are out there demanding more attention be paid to his 'murder' or unless they are strongly stating that they think it was a suicide/illness, I don't buy what they are selling.. they either don't know one way or another or they know absolutely that he was taking drugs and they turned a blind eye at the time --nbut after he died, they went along with the old narrative that he was clean living because they themselves do not want to look like enablers or indifferent employees. Its only a handful of later employees who state that he was no drug addict and then they just drop it like that with no outrage, explanation. Where are the demands for justice if they really believe he was a victim of foul play? Where is the pity if they thought he was sick or suicical?

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At the end of the day people can't say something they did not see or notice just because it's not what some people want to hear. I believe he was into clean living but something happen to get him off track. Whatever his relationship to pills/drugs, he did promote or encourage the use of any and no one can say he was acting like a drug up fool in his last days/months. Where is the stories? Where is the proof of a suicide? As for associates they all know what they did or didn't do for Prince and what they did or didn't know of Prince and they will have to live with that. If anything else comes out about his health and death it would be like Robin Willams in a sense that it is more to the story than what was reported.

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