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Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known. But that person would be under pain mgmt they would not be abusing them. No way is someone going to be taking hugh amounts of this stuff off the books and it would have no effect on them. Prince was still doing a 101 things, interacting with people and traveling half way across the world. It does not make sense. We also are not getting any info from anyone about this addiction when the tabs would pay big bucks for drug stories. The fact that no one has revealed any knowledge of Prince's dependency is indicative of the fact that he was successful in his attempts to conceal it (until he wasn't, of course). Meanwhile..... - http://prince.org/msg/7/310635 - http://prince.org/msg/7/314057 - https://www.google.com/se...ainkillers - http://www.mncourts.gov/I...ers-Nelson "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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jill took what back it back? how?
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Unless there is some large scale conspiracy by Warner Brothers to never allow coverage of what that story found out about his levels of fentanyl, how can we assume that 'leak' has any merit when it has not been covered by any other source?
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HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.
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you're saying both hitnruns were previous songs? is that a fact? not doubting, asking.
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purplerabbithole said: HE made not have had any new recording tricks (his last two albums consisting of previous recordings) but his last tour was brilliant in my opinion and did not seem like something someone could do on automatic pilot.
Black is the New Black wasn't a jazz album. The jazz album for Blue Note maybe contained material recorded at different times, including Shades of Umber. That track dates back to some of the sessions for HitNRun Phase 2. Or of course, as you state the entire Blue Note album may have been new. He certainly had numerous projects in progress. [Edited 10/4/17 12:01pm] | |
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I am discussing Funk4U and other fans who were selling the album for him. I am not discussing someone reselling their copy of Hit and Run via Amazon. I am not sure how any model that allows the producer to control the bulk of the profits is pointless and it is obvious he was not well enough to promote the record in the proper manner. I also never said he was the only one doing this. I just want you to name other mainstream artist who are doing it?
We I refer to peer to peer I am referring to fans selling and trading the record with other fans and consumer be it files or CDS. He did this with Hit N Run which could also be purchased from other retail outlets due to being independent release which would guarantee it no radio play or promotion. Streaming has killed sales so this was a manner to get sales for the project. You do realize the difference between paying a few bucks for a CD or whole file then the artist getting ¼ of penny a stream. The admin I am referring to Prince being the administrator for his publishing. If someone wanted to use his music in movies or television shows that would have to seek permission and payment directly from NPG Publishing Inc not UMG which collects a few for those transactions. Not very many other artist are their own administrators of their publishing. In addition, it was new for Prince and rare for other artist to pull off. I mention 2014 because that was when he started NPG Publishing see news article below ( Where have you been that you do not know about this? ) https://rollingout.com/20...ublishing/
I know Shade of Umber is not a part of Black Is The New Black and I mentioned to say that it is a very different track for him and appears to be a new direction he was going it. See article below. http://www.rollingstone.c...h-20160429 Mentions “"Pangaea” and lots of orchestration
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Did you skip school? Thetan wasn't disagreeing with me. You misinterpreted stuff again. The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
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which bio is this? i haven't kept up too much on the recent glut of prince books put out, i've purposely stayed away from alex hahn's and mayte's. | |
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2009 Org Threads
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
2009 Org Threads Yes...I know. Simply pointing out that there has been speculation and discussion of pain medication use that spans years. I thought it applied to the "no one is talking" question....while those two threads don't coincide with post death info, people have talked. That is all. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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I think you are gathering wrong. According to Michael B. Nelson Prince was working on new music in January of 2016. Morris Hayes claims that Prince recorded about 10 albums of material from 2010 to 2014 two of which he said he co-produced.
He continued to record right up and until the a few days before he passed away as a half completed song was found in his recording studio.
These little tidbits to me are being ignored due to the fact that it kind of blows the whole he was a raving dope in for the last few years out of the water and some of you just want to follow the narrative that is out there without really thinking about how many thiings do not make sense at all. | |
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Or it could be that he was dependent on med and not addicted to the until January of 2016. Just a thought. | |
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What is odd is that she said they did have a rather long conversation about her daughters music and Prince told Jill that her daughter should not have signed a deal and that he might be able to help. It seems like they had a nice long coversation so I am having a hard time understanding how that happends if he was high out his ass at the furneral.
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or maybe just medicated enough that SHE could tell that something was off. she spent a lot of time with him and was kinda the work wife in my opinion for a bit. i think she knew him quite well and even tho she hadnt seen him in a while knew something was off, maybe that enabled to know even better that something was off cause she hadnt seen him for years. I doubt he was "high off his Ass" cause then it would have been appareant to everyone and then surely an intervention would have been at first hand. hmmmm i don't know but helps talking about it.
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Well that is the thing if you are abusing alcohol or drugs you are high out of your ass and people notice. We are just not getting those sort of stories about him and mean he was still driving around his hometown and had his license renewed a few weeks before he died. Was he driving high?
A few people who worked for him said at one time he had a nice wine collection. Was drinking wine while taking pain killers? It does not add up. | |
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I never said he wasn't recording new music all the way through. It wouldn't surprise me if he had recorded a new song in his very last week. Furthermore, I'd personally be disappointed if he only recorded 10 albums between 2010-2014. He was said by Susan Rogers to have recorded an album a week during the 80s. All that said, I would be absolutely amazed if he discovered a new sound Jan' 16 onwards, nor likely would he have done at any point- had he lived. He was just way way too prolific not to have covered all the ground by the age of 57. The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
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I read selectively from a book in a bookstore. Very recent, published posthumously, glossy, big font, eliciting other people's opinions of him. It was a recent engineeer if I recall right, recalling his time with Prince. The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!
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NotACleverName said: ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
2009 Org Threads Yes...I know. Simply pointing out that there has been speculation and discussion of pain medication use that spans years. I thought it applied to the "no one is talking" question....while those two threads don't coincide with post death info, people have talked. That is all. But we have no why of knowing if he had an Rx back then or if he was abusing these meds if he had surgery he would have had an Rx for meds. People may have been discussing his use of pain meds for maintenance. We know what Tavis Smiley said he was taking meds for pain. He seemed to be aware. | |
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I never said he wasn't recording new music all the way through. It wouldn't surprise me if he had recorded a new song in his very last week. Furthermore, I'd personally be disappointed if he only recorded 10 albums between 2010-2014. He was said by Susan Rogers to have recorded an album a week during the 80s. All that said, I would be absolutely amazed if he discovered a new sound Jan' 16 onwards, nor likely would he have done at any point- had he lived. He was just way way too prolific not to have covered all the ground by the age of 57. --I provide the link to the Michael B Nelson interview he seems to think Prince was working on some incredible stuff and does not believe he was a drug addict. He lasted worked with him on January. Can none of you see s pattern about what was going on before January and after? | |
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I have to say something about those associates who non-challantly contend that Prince was no drug addict. Unless they are out there demanding more attention be paid to his 'murder' or unless they are strongly stating that they think it was a suicide/illness, I don't buy what they are selling.. they either don't know one way or another or they know absolutely that he was taking drugs and they turned a blind eye at the time --nbut after he died, they went along with the old narrative that he was clean living because they themselves do not want to look like enablers or indifferent employees. Its only a handful of later employees who state that he was no drug addict and then they just drop it like that with no outrage, explanation. Where are the demands for justice if they really believe he was a victim of foul play? Where is the pity if they thought he was sick or suicical?
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purplerabbithole said: I have to say something about those associates who non-challantly contend that Prince was no drug addict. Unless they are out there demanding more attention be paid to his 'murder' or unless they are strongly stating that they think it was a suicide/illness, I don't buy what they are selling.. they either don't know one way or another or they know absolutely that he was taking drugs and they turned a blind eye at the time --nbut after he died, they went along with the old narrative that he was clean living because they themselves do not want to look like enablers or indifferent employees. Its only a handful of later employees who state that he was no drug addict and then they just drop it like that with no outrage, explanation. Where are the demands for justice if they really believe he was a victim of foul play? Where is the pity if they thought he was sick or suicical?
[Edited 10/6/17 3:34am] The interview with Michael B Nelson was done either the day Prince died or the day after he was very adament that when he finished working with Prince in Janaury nothing was wrong and that he thought something was wrong about whole story. You cannot discount what people have to say who looked him in the face for months on end working on long projects and musically complicated music. Abuse means overuse and these pills have very bad side effects we hear nothing about a change in his behavior until January from the chefs yet Prince felt comfortable enough to go half way across the world which just would not seem like something you would do if you were dealing with just withdrawals. I also did not know that withdrawals made people lose muscle definition which almost never happens with guys. Prince always had good biceps and abs. Even when he was thin in the 90s his look on his last tour was one of frailness. | |
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At the end of the day people can't say something they did not see or notice just because it's not what some people want to hear. I believe he was into clean living but something happen to get him off track. Whatever his relationship to pills/drugs, he did promote or encourage the use of any and no one can say he was acting like a drug up fool in his last days/months. Where is the stories? Where is the proof of a suicide? As for associates they all know what they did or didn't do for Prince and what they did or didn't know of Prince and they will have to live with that. If anything else comes out about his health and death it would be like Robin Willams in a sense that it is more to the story than what was reported. | |
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