fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

I will tell you what he was going to do.

Peer to peer distrubution -

what like piratebay... or amazon resellers? Nothing revolutionary about that. In fact he tried the latter with Hit 'n' Run 2. as for digital peer to peer that's just a way to get free stuff

Being his own admin -

as in be his own secretary? he already did the 'own his own label' schtick. wouldn't exactly have been a 'trotskyist' move, unless he took on receptionist duties as well l o l

One word " Shades of Umber"

there was only one (ahem!) and he recorded that in 2013. nothing new there

He had health issues like millions of other people it does not mean his life was not fabulous because no one is promised a pain free and troubled exsistence.

true but noone really guessed the extent. most thought he was over hip issues

Peer to Peer

What are you babbling about? He was doing Peer to Peer with Hit and Run independently of any corporation. That is kind of the fucking point of it. He was not using Amazon resellers WTF

Being his own admin -

He was the admin for his publishing which very few artist have tried to do. And stop saying would have he set this up in 2014 he was doing it.

One word " Shades of Umber"

That song was recorded with others in a similar vein for an album with Blue Note.

Micheal B Nelson has actually discussed this project and how phenomeal the music is.

So it is something new since none have the entire project.

Health Issues

Because it was none of our business.

purplefam99 said:

muleFunk said:

I have broken this down several times but one thing I did leave out was the fact that when one uses pills in suicides then the stomach contents will force themselves out the mouth after death has occurred and a burn will be around the mouth area.

I haven't seen the body so I don't know how his body looked post mortem but it's very obvious from the reports that I have seen that he didn't intend on leaving on April 20/21, 2016.

What if the pills were ingested rectally? Would he still have gastric levels of fent? I am assuming gastric means stomach, not intestinal. But I'll take any light shed.

That would have been seen at autopsy.

bonatoc said:

herb4 said:

Using vicodin for pain management does not make someone a junkie. But you CAN get addicted to them and tend to think he was.

Absolutely. There's this suspicion lingering about it being recreational or self-destructive,
and I think that's not the point here. I would like to think he got addicted to not being in pain.

And so it puzzles me. Can you really take that much opioids (I'm talking about what we suppose his daily intake was)
and still operate that well?

I've read from the above posts that you can still function, but there is a difference between
being able to perform the basic tasks and run a business, doing rehearsals...
Or were the last months suspiciously calm?

Everybody he worked with his last month has described him as being very calm and that his demeanor did not change. He was sitting at a piano playing by himself in front of thousands. There is no means to hide if he was truely abusing these drugs they why some people think. Someone would have noticed and he would have been screwing up.

I think he was dependent on these meds for pain issues and maybe other medical problems.

I do not see any evidence that Prince was abusing these meds for the last 20 years of his life or any real evidence that he was abusing them at the end. We have more evidence that he may have actually been withdrawing from them and was not able to manage it on his own.

After a year and a half we just are not getting the drugged out stories and once again estates cannot sue for defamation so when are we going to hear the stories?

Things do not add up and it is unfortuante that someone people will only believe the drug narrative and cannot fathom that he might have seriously ill and taking these meds because he was hurting.

I have a co-worker who just had hip replacement and they are telling me without insurace the bill would have been 45k for the surgery, pt and the two days in the hospital. The surgery itself would have been 23k.

I saw 65k on Prince's inventory sheet for recent illness and people want to believe that was for an overnight stay, ambulance ride, and the meds to revieve him.

Mumio said:

muleFunk said:

I haven't seen the body so I don't know how his body looked post mortem but it's very obvious from the reports that I have seen that he didn't intend on leaving on April 20/21, 2016.

What reports are you talking about here?

http://kstp.com/medical/f...h/4491091/

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources...."

"Multiple sources confirmed that in the year leading up to Prince's overdose, there weren't any prescriptions for controlled medications in his name in Minnesota. That prompted law enforcement to question whether he or someone else bought the fentanyl, not knowing it was mislabeled or how powerful it was...."

"

Sources say the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension analyzed some pills found at Paisley Park that were falsely stamped with "Watson 385" on them.

Said Jill Oliveira, a spokesperson with the BCA: "Watson 385 is a legitimate prescription-only medicine which contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone, and we see it in the lab all the time."

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street."

bonatoc said:

Has there been some released info about the bolded? Frankly, I doubt we will never know what his daily intake was. If he was procuring opioids via illegal channels vs prescribed meds, one will never be able to determine how much was taken in a set time frame.

I have mentioned this before (as have others), I take some heavy duty stuff but unless I personally revealed what I was taking, you would never (ever, ever) know. I have incepted and run a business, moved halfway across the country and back, traveled on my own, managed a household, etc....it can be done and it is done. Why are people not digesting these testimonies that life while taking pain medication is manageable and one doesn't become a floundering, slobbering imbecile?

EDITED TO ADD: some reports indicate he was "agitated" the week btwn Moline and death.

[Edited 10/4/17 6:14am]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

I've also heard where sometimes a family trys to sway the outcome and doesn't want suicide to be listed on the death certificate.

That is absolutely true in this case both because of Prince's life-long anti-drug position and because of his religious affiliation. It was a last gift from the ME to the home town hero.

It could also be due to insurance. If Prince had any insurance even insurance that promotros took out on him it may not pay out if he committed suicide but I just think the ME and police did not find any evidence of suicide. It does not mean that was not the case they just cannot say it without proof.

He had contracts for 9 additional shows one of which was going to be in a stadium. He has someone contact Andre to say he would be coming to L.A. soon and would visit.

I keep wondering who was returning the messages to Andre and Sheila. Why were they returning them and not Prince.

NotACleverName said:

bonatoc said:

Absolutely. There's this suspicion lingering about it being recreational or self-destructive, and I think that's not the point here. I would like to think he got addicted to not being in pain. And so it puzzles me. Can you really take that much opioids (I'm talking about what we suppose his daily intake was) and still operate that well? I've read from the above posts that you can still function, but there is a difference between being able to perform the basic tasks and run a business, doing rehearsals...Or were the last months suspiciously calm?

Has there been some released info about the bolded? Frankly, I doubt we will never know what his daily intake was. If he was procuring opioids via illegal channels vs prescribed meds, one will never be able to determine how much was taken in a set time frame. I have mentioned this before (as have others), I take some heavy duty stuff but unless I personally revealed what I was taking, you would never (ever, ever) know. I have incepted and run a business, moved halfway across the country and back, traveled on my own, managed a household, etc....it can be done and it is done. Why are people not digesting these testimonies that life while taking pain medication is manageable and one doesn't become a floundering, slobbering imbecile? EDITED TO ADD: some reports indicate he was "agitated" the week btwn Moline and death.

[Edited 10/4/17 6:14am]

But there no reports of him being agitated prior to that week. Even the chef said he was not as talkative but his demeanor did not change.

Threre is a big difference between abusing meds and taking a controlled dosage. Something went wrong the week of that show and after but we have no evidence of anything prior to that.

What we do have is numerous associates saying "we do not know the whole story" and " he was not a drug addict"

We even have Kim Berry slipping up and saying "toward the end " in one of her interviews. What did she mean by toward the end?

There is a huge missing piece of info to this story.

laurarichardson said:

Regardless of controlled or not, you can still have addictive tendencies/behaviors and control your intake. I would imagine Prince knew his threshold with regard to how much he could take and did not breech that.

Also, Kim Berry has an unquestionable reference point for "the end" so, it would make sense she would say "toward the end" in her storytelling. Nothing suspicious about anyone using that phrase as we know the end was April 21, 2016.

kim seems to think there was some sort of conspiracy.

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

bonatoc said: Has there been some released info about the bolded? Frankly, I doubt we will never know what his daily intake was. If he was procuring opioids via illegal channels vs prescribed meds, one will never be able to determine how much was taken in a set time frame. I have mentioned this before (as have others), I take some heavy duty stuff but unless I personally revealed what I was taking, you would never (ever, ever) know. I have incepted and run a business, moved halfway across the country and back, traveled on my own, managed a household, etc....it can be done and it is done. Why are people not digesting these testimonies that life while taking pain medication is manageable and one doesn't become a floundering, slobbering imbecile? EDITED TO ADD: some reports indicate he was "agitated" the week btwn Moline and death.

[Edited 10/4/17 6:14am]

But there no reports of him being agitated prior to that week. Even the chef said he was not as talkative but his demeanor did not change.

Threre is a big difference between abusing meds and taking a controlled dosage. Something went wrong the week of that show and after but we have no evidence of anything prior to that.

What we do have is numerous associates saying "we do not know the whole story" and " he was not a drug addict"

We even have Kim Berry slipping up and saying "toward the end " in one of her interviews. What did she mean by toward the end?

There is a huge missing piece of info to this story.

What exactly did Kim say? other than "toward the end". That expression alone would (to me) just indicate an increased dependency or sickness.

PeteSilas said:

kim seems to think there was some sort of conspiracy.

laurarichardson said:

But there no reports of him being agitated prior to that week. Even the chef said he was not as talkative but his demeanor did not change.

Threre is a big difference between abusing meds and taking a controlled dosage. Something went wrong the week of that show and after but we have no evidence of anything prior to that.

What we do have is numerous associates saying "we do not know the whole story" and " he was not a drug addict"

We even have Kim Berry slipping up and saying "toward the end " in one of her interviews. What did she mean by toward the end?

There is a huge missing piece of info to this story.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

But there no reports of him being agitated prior to that week. Even the chef said he was not as talkative but his demeanor did not change. Threre is a big difference between abusing meds and taking a controlled dosage. Something went wrong the week of that show and after but we have no evidence of anything prior to that. What we do have is numerous associates saying "we do not know the whole story" and " he was not a drug addict" We even have Kim Berry slipping up and saying "toward the end " in one of her interviews. What did she mean by toward the end? There is a huge missing piece of info to this story.

Regardless of controlled or not, you can still have addictive tendencies/behaviors and control your intake. I would imagine Prince knew his threshold with regard to how much he could take and did not breech that. Also, Kim Berry has an unquestionable reference point for "the end" so, it would make sense she would say "toward the end" in her storytelling. Nothing suspicious about anyone using that phrase as we know the end was April 21, 2016.

You can also have dependent behavior as well. I think based on what so many people have said even those who only had a casual relationship for a while I think he was dependent on these drugs for a long time and not abusing them until the last weeks of his life.

Remember Tavis Smiley said that Prince took pain meds for pain and was not a recreational user and he said this plainly from the very begining. One of the few people to not be cryptic

Yes, it is since she keeps saying he was not a drug addict. Did you listen to the interview I am referencing? Why would she say toward the end meaning drugs if she keeps saying he was not a drug addict?

She did not know the end was coming on April 21 by her own admission.

muleFunk said:

Mumio said:

What reports are you talking about here?

http://kstp.com/medical/f...h/4491091/

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources...."

"Multiple sources confirmed that in the year leading up to Prince's overdose, there weren't any prescriptions for controlled medications in his name in Minnesota. That prompted law enforcement to question whether he or someone else bought the fentanyl, not knowing it was mislabeled or how powerful it was...."

"

Sources say the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension analyzed some pills found at Paisley Park that were falsely stamped with "Watson 385" on them.

Said Jill Oliveira, a spokesperson with the BCA: "Watson 385 is a legitimate prescription-only medicine which contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone, and we see it in the lab all the time."

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street."

But we now know he had Rxs written for him by Dr. S under Kirk's name for drugs that were not pain meds. I am sure he had been having things written for him under other names all along. The police just do not know any other names other then Kirk's or Meron's because remember another leak said they found a bottle with a women's name on it.

I believe that is the reason Kirk and Meron went out and got attorneys.

I believe Prince was ill and increased his intake of these pills do to illness in the last months of his life. The police would know all of this from viewing his medical records.

The whole case in a nutshell boils down to 2 dozen pills in Bayer and Aleve bottles.

1. All of the other medications found were legitimate pills but in Kirk Johnson's name.

2. No prescriptions were found under Prince's name in the USA for over 1 year.

Assuming Prince was an addict there still was no need to get medications off the street. He could have gotten meds via others i.e. Kirk. No evidence of that.

He could have gotten these medications on line. No evidence of that. If they were it would have been leaked just like the other negative information in this case. The fact that so much negative info was leaked to the press the KSTP report has new importance because it gave specific information,which makes me believe that it came from a different source. The fact that this information was not disseminated across the wire agencies is also very interesting because it would highlight the very abnormal amounts found in his system. Yet not one national source or even the Star-Tribune would run this like the info of the illegal substance found in his system.

NotACleverName said:

bonatoc said:

Absolutely. There's this suspicion lingering about it being recreational or self-destructive, and I think that's not the point here. I would like to think he got addicted to not being in pain. And so it puzzles me. Can you really take that much opioids (I'm talking about what we suppose his daily intake was) and still operate that well? I've read from the above posts that you can still function, but there is a difference between being able to perform the basic tasks and run a business, doing rehearsals...Or were the last months suspiciously calm?

Has there been some released info about the bolded? Frankly, I doubt we will never know what his daily intake was. If he was procuring opioids via illegal channels vs prescribed meds, one will never be able to determine how much was taken in a set time frame. I have mentioned this before (as have others), I take some heavy duty stuff but unless I personally revealed what I was taking, you would never (ever, ever) know. I have incepted and run a business, moved halfway across the country and back, traveled on my own, managed a household, etc....it can be done and it is done. Why are people not digesting these testimonies that life while taking pain medication is manageable and one doesn't become a floundering, slobbering imbecile? EDITED TO ADD: some reports indicate he was "agitated" the week btwn Moline and death.

[Edited 10/4/17 6:14am]

why? because for me, it's outside of what most drugs do to people. i've heard the accounts of functional morphine addicts so i guess it has some truth to it. I watched several docus on them too, one, made in seattle where the newsman was saying "you don't seem any different" after the lady shot up, the lady said something like it doesn't make you incoherent it keeps you from getting sick. I wouldn't know, most drugs cause problems of one kind or another, and not even just from the drug but the impact it has on a persons thinking, people feel ashamed, start isolating, start projecting on people, they get wierd, i saw a drug as harmless as pot cause a 180 degree change in a former friend. I don't have firsthand knowledge of opiates outside of a couple people, one guy was a vet who nodded off all the time, he was grandiose, he staggered around, eventually cut his own finger off accidentally on the job, so, i wouldn't say they don't make EVERYONE an imbecile, they clearly ruin people's lives.

laurarichardson said:

But we now know he had Rxs written for him by Dr. S under Kirk's name for drugs that were not pain meds. I am sure he had been having things written for him under other names all along. The police just do not know any other names other then Kirk's or Meron's because remember another leak said they found a bottle with a women's name on it.

I believe that is the reason Kirk and Meron went out and got attorneys.

I believe Prince was ill and increased his intake of these pills do to illness in the last months of his life. The police would know all of this from viewing his medical records.

I agree here.

I am assuming that DEA would have done what I would have done which is get a listing of employees and associates and run a prescription search on them. If anyone that he worked with had any type of info that bounced back that is who I would be looking at as a suspect.

The problem is the Vicodin pills in the Bayer/Aleve bottles. The amount of Fentanyl in those pills would have killed on touch and contaminated the rest of the pills in the bottle. The non highlighted part of the KSTP story makes this a strong possibility . Who put those pills in that bottle?

[Edited 10/4/17 7:04am]

laurarichardson said:

Laura, I am not debating Prince's relationship with these drugs (motivation, dependent) as clearly there was one and it is speculated to have been long term. I am simply attempting to dispel the theory that one cannot take copious amounts and remain productive. THAT is my point.

I have listened to several of Kim's interviews but can't specifically confirm if I have listened to the one you are referencing. Do you have a link? And yes, she can opine he was not an addict but that doesn't dilute the fact that she knows the end happened.

PeteSilas said:

Why what, Pete? I'm not clear on how to answer the why so, could you please clarify?

Lots of things ruin people's lives. Food, for instance. Too much can have detrimental affects. Yes, there are going to be withdrawal effects when one discontinues any drug your body becomes acclimated to. However, I am confused and somewhat dismayed that you would introduce someone "shooting up" into a conversation about Prince. You are veering into a very different scenario and that upsets me to a certain degree. How does that apply? I would imagine one would feel shame because of the aforementioned....equating (inference, perhaps) a street drug (heroin = shooting up to stay well) with a pain mgmt regime. Somewhat insensitive, imo. Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known.

muleFunk said:

purplefam99 said:

muleFunk said: What if the pills were ingested rectally? Would he still have gastric levels of fent? I am assuming gastric means stomach, not intestinal. But I'll take any light shed.

That would have been seen at autopsy.

oh ok so that would have been indicated. thx

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NotACleverName said:

PeteSilas said:

why? because for me, it's outside of what most drugs do to people. i've heard the accounts of functional morphine addicts so i guess it has some truth to it. I watched several docus on them too, one, made in seattle where the newsman was saying "you don't seem any different" after the lady shot up, the lady said something like it doesn't make you incoherent it keeps you from getting sick. I wouldn't know, most drugs cause problems of one kind or another, and not even just from the drug but the impact it has on a persons thinking, people feel ashamed, start isolating, start projecting on people, they get wierd, i saw a drug as harmless as pot cause a 180 degree change in a former friend. I don't have firsthand knowledge of opiates outside of a couple people, one guy was a vet who nodded off all the time, he was grandiose, he staggered around, eventually cut his own finger off accidentally on the job, so, i wouldn't say they don't make EVERYONE an imbecile, they clearly ruin people's lives.

Why what, Pete? I'm not clear on how to answer the why so, could you please clarify? Lots of things ruin people's lives. Food, for instance. Too much can have detrimental affects. Yes, there are going to be withdrawal effects when one discontinues any drug your body becomes acclimated to. However, I am confused and somewhat dismayed that you would introduce someone "shooting up" into a conversation about Prince. You are veering into a very different scenario and that upsets me to a certain degree. How does that apply? I would imagine one would feel shame because of the aforementioned....equating (inference, perhaps) a street drug (heroin = shooting up to stay well) with a pain mgmt regime. Somewhat insensitive, imo. Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known.

muleFunk said:

Mumio said:

What reports are you talking about here?

http://kstp.com/medical/f...h/4491091/

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources...."

"Multiple sources confirmed that in the year leading up to Prince's overdose, there weren't any prescriptions for controlled medications in his name in Minnesota. That prompted law enforcement to question whether he or someone else bought the fentanyl, not knowing it was mislabeled or how powerful it was...."

"

Sources say the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension analyzed some pills found at Paisley Park that were falsely stamped with "Watson 385" on them.

Said Jill Oliveira, a spokesperson with the BCA: "Watson 385 is a legitimate prescription-only medicine which contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone, and we see it in the lab all the time."

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street."

Thanks, but here's the thing about this information: there is nothing other than this article saying this. There is no official documentation of this info anywhere that I've been able to find. So it's really hearsay, as I noted previously in this thread. Unless you've been able to locate an official document? If you have then we would appreciate it if you'd give a link here.

There's way too much so-called info about Prince's death and the circumstances surrounding it that is nothing more than "sources" rather than true official back up for what is being said. That doesn't sit well with me.

NotACleverName said:

PeteSilas said:

why? because for me, it's outside of what most drugs do to people. i've heard the accounts of functional morphine addicts so i guess it has some truth to it. I watched several docus on them too, one, made in seattle where the newsman was saying "you don't seem any different" after the lady shot up, the lady said something like it doesn't make you incoherent it keeps you from getting sick. I wouldn't know, most drugs cause problems of one kind or another, and not even just from the drug but the impact it has on a persons thinking, people feel ashamed, start isolating, start projecting on people, they get wierd, i saw a drug as harmless as pot cause a 180 degree change in a former friend. I don't have firsthand knowledge of opiates outside of a couple people, one guy was a vet who nodded off all the time, he was grandiose, he staggered around, eventually cut his own finger off accidentally on the job, so, i wouldn't say they don't make EVERYONE an imbecile, they clearly ruin people's lives.

Why what, Pete? I'm not clear on how to answer the why so, could you please clarify? Lots of things ruin people's lives. Food, for instance. Too much can have detrimental affects. Yes, there are going to be withdrawal effects when one discontinues any drug your body becomes acclimated to. However, I am confused and somewhat dismayed that you would introduce someone "shooting up" into a conversation about Prince. You are veering into a very different scenario and that upsets me to a certain degree. How does that apply? I would imagine one would feel shame because of the aforementioned....equating (inference, perhaps) a street drug (heroin = shooting up to stay well) with a pain mgmt regime. Somewhat insensitive, imo. Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known.

Further, everyone's experience is not the same. You may have had a very nice, coherent, enlightening conversation with someone currently on a pain mgmt regimen and not even have known.

But that person would be under pain mgmt they would not be abusing them. No way is someone going to be taking hugh amounts of this stuff off the books and it would have no effect on them.

Prince was still doing a 101 things, interacting with people and traveling half way across the world.

It does not make sense. We also are not getting any info from anyone about this addiction when the tabs would pay big bucks for drug stories.

Mumio said:

muleFunk said:

http://kstp.com/medical/f...h/4491091/

"Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources...."

"Multiple sources confirmed that in the year leading up to Prince's overdose, there weren't any prescriptions for controlled medications in his name in Minnesota. That prompted law enforcement to question whether he or someone else bought the fentanyl, not knowing it was mislabeled or how powerful it was...."

"

Sources say the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension analyzed some pills found at Paisley Park that were falsely stamped with "Watson 385" on them.

Said Jill Oliveira, a spokesperson with the BCA: "Watson 385 is a legitimate prescription-only medicine which contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone, and we see it in the lab all the time."

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street."

Thanks, but here's the thing about this information: there is nothing other than this article saying this. There is no official documentation of this info anywhere that I've been able to find. So it's really hearsay, as I noted previously in this thread. Unless you've been able to locate an official document? If you have then we would appreciate it if you'd give a link here.

There's way too much so-called info about Prince's death and the circumstances surrounding it that is nothing more than "sources" rather than true official back up for what is being said. That doesn't sit well with me.

People will run there mouths for a price. I am so sure news outlets would run the story if they did not have an inside source. Remember this is not coming from the National Enquier.

Mumio said:

Thanks, but here's the thing about this information: there is nothing other than this article saying this. There is no official documentation of this info anywhere that I've been able to find. So it's really hearsay, as I noted previously in this thread. Unless you've been able to locate an official document? If you have then we would appreciate it if you'd give a link here.

There's way too much so-called info about Prince's death and the circumstances surrounding it that is nothing more than "sources" rather than true official back up for what is being said. That doesn't sit well with me.

You are correct.

Yet that's been the case with every other thing except the fact that he is dead.

Like I said earlier this report IMO came from a different source and with a different agenda which was to let people know that something very strange took place with this OD.

PeteSilas said:

Clearly I am sure that lots of people that have a drug addiction still function, but also as clear, not all do, and certainly many do not...so the fact that he was highly functioning at the end really tells us nothing...i would also like to say that years ago my x had a small period of time where he was doing a lot of drugs, it became a problem in our relationship and his life, although he was still functioning "normally", and it was not quite intervention worthy, but not healthy either. He ended up lying to me about using, however all I had to do was look at his face and I knew he had done something, not even one word out of his mouth, and I knew based on slightly different physical appearance that he was under the influence...so even if prince was able to carry on with his life while in the middle of a addiction crisis, I personally have a hard time believing that the people,very close to him could not tell when he was...or was not using

muleFunk said:

The whole case in a nutshell boils down to 2 dozen pills in Bayer and Aleve bottles.

1. All of the other medications found were legitimate pills but in Kirk Johnson's name.

2. No prescriptions were found under Prince's name in the USA for over 1 year.

Assuming Prince was an addict there still was no need to get medications off the street. He could have gotten meds via others i.e. Kirk. No evidence of that.

He could have gotten these medications on line. No evidence of that. If they were it would have been leaked just like the other negative information in this case. The fact that so much negative info was leaked to the press the KSTP report has new importance because it gave specific information,which makes me believe that it came from a different source. The fact that this information was not disseminated across the wire agencies is also very interesting because it would highlight the very abnormal amounts found in his system. Yet not one national source or even the Star-Tribune would run this like the info of the illegal substance found in his system.

How do you know that?

Do you have access to his computer or the investigative report?

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PeteSilas said:

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Clearly I am sure that lots of people that have a drug addiction still function, but also as clear, not all do, and certainly many do not...so the fact that he was highly functioning at the end really tells us nothing...i would also like to say that years ago my x had a small period of time where he was doing a lot of drugs, it became a problem in our relationship and his life, although he was still functioning "normally", and it was not quite intervention worthy, but not healthy either. He ended up lying to me about using, however all I had to do was look at his face and I knew he had done something, not even one word out of his mouth, and I knew based on slightly different physical appearance that he was under the influence...so even if prince was able to carry on with his life while in the middle of a addiction crisis, I personally have a hard time believing that the people,very close to him could not tell when he was...or was not using

they knew, jill jones said that she was talking with applonia and some other lady at vanity's funeral and said "he's on something" when he walked up to them and asked what they were talking about. one of my former best friends sounds like your former boyfriend, my best friend started taking pot, and it was a long, drawn out, very inconsistent journey to the bottom of our friendship, even though, i never judged him, not smoking with him was just as bad as condemning him. He lied to his girlfriend too, promised to stop, didn't, then acted hurt when she kicked him out, just crazy. about four years ago, i called him once and he just lit into me, insulted me in every possible way, it was confusing as fuck then and still is today. fuck drugs, and fuck the people that use them, i can't do it anymore, i've been patient enough.

PeteSilas said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

PeteSilas said: Clearly I am sure that lots of people that have a drug addiction still function, but also as clear, not all do, and certainly many do not...so the fact that he was highly functioning at the end really tells us nothing...i would also like to say that years ago my x had a small period of time where he was doing a lot of drugs, it became a problem in our relationship and his life, although he was still functioning "normally", and it was not quite intervention worthy, but not healthy either. He ended up lying to me about using, however all I had to do was look at his face and I knew he had done something, not even one word out of his mouth, and I knew based on slightly different physical appearance that he was under the influence...so even if prince was able to carry on with his life while in the middle of a addiction crisis, I personally have a hard time believing that the people,very close to him could not tell when he was...or was not using

they knew, jill jones said that she was talking with applonia and some other lady at vanity's funeral and said "he's on something" when he walked up to them and asked what they were talking about. one of my former best friends sounds like your former boyfriend, my best friend started taking pot, and it was a long, drawn out, very inconsistent journey to the bottom of our friendship, even though, i never judged him, not smoking with him was just as bad as condemning him. He lied to his girlfriend too, promised to stop, didn't, then acted hurt when she kicked him out, just crazy. about four years ago, i called him once and he just lit into me, insulted me in every possible way, it was confusing as fuck then and still is today. fuck drugs, and fuck the people that use them, i can't do it anymore, i've been patient enough.

Then Jill took it back and why is she the only one that noticed. I supsect he was greiving hard. The promoter in Australia said he did not think Prince was going to be able to do the show he was so upset.

I think we can cut him some slack at the funeral.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

The whole case in a nutshell boils down to 2 dozen pills in Bayer and Aleve bottles.

1. All of the other medications found were legitimate pills but in Kirk Johnson's name.

2. No prescriptions were found under Prince's name in the USA for over 1 year.

Assuming Prince was an addict there still was no need to get medications off the street. He could have gotten meds via others i.e. Kirk. No evidence of that.

He could have gotten these medications on line. No evidence of that. If they were it would have been leaked just like the other negative information in this case. The fact that so much negative info was leaked to the press the KSTP report has new importance because it gave specific information,which makes me believe that it came from a different source. The fact that this information was not disseminated across the wire agencies is also very interesting because it would highlight the very abnormal amounts found in his system. Yet not one national source or even the Star-Tribune would run this like the info of the illegal substance found in his system.

How do you know that?

Do you have access to his computer or the investigative report?

The police had his computer so I am sure they looked despite the fact that they did not pick it up until later and it had been moved.

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laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

they knew, jill jones said that she was talking with applonia and some other lady at vanity's funeral and said "he's on something" when he walked up to them and asked what they were talking about. one of my former best friends sounds like your former boyfriend, my best friend started taking pot, and it was a long, drawn out, very inconsistent journey to the bottom of our friendship, even though, i never judged him, not smoking with him was just as bad as condemning him. He lied to his girlfriend too, promised to stop, didn't, then acted hurt when she kicked him out, just crazy. about four years ago, i called him once and he just lit into me, insulted me in every possible way, it was confusing as fuck then and still is today. fuck drugs, and fuck the people that use them, i can't do it anymore, i've been patient enough.

Then Jill took it back and why is she the only one that noticed. I supsect he was greiving hard. The promoter in Australia said he did not think Prince was going to be able to do the show he was so upset.

I think we can cut him some slack at the funeral.

some people have a really good sixth sense, she may be one of those people. but yes funerals get

a pass, people get drunk at funerals. that said if she felt something i am sure that sinks her now.

so hard.