LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

MMJas said:

I f he was self medicating nobody would have notice any difference. That's the whole point of taking pain medication.

Masking the pain with medication does not change or halt the progression of arthritis, which is very damaging to the health and mobility of joints. There are medications that can help with the degeneration associated with arthritis, but you do not buy them on the street corner. People who are successfully managing debilitating joint disease see a rheumatologist regularly...

He probably did see a specialist regularly. And maybe he was self medicating with really strong stuff for precisely that reason. Anyway, he was battling joint pain, that much has been established.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

MMJas said:

I f he was self medicating nobody would have notice any difference. That's the whole point of taking pain medication.

Masking the pain with medication does not change or halt the progression of arthritis, which is very damaging to the health and mobility of joints. There are medications that can help with the degeneration associated with arthritis, but you do not buy them on the street corner. People who are successfully managing debilitating joint disease see a rheumatologist regularly...

He probably did see a specialist regularly. And maybe he was self medicating with really strong stuff for precisely that reason. Anyway, he was battling joint pain, that much has been established.

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According to the autopsy there were no rheumatoid treating specific medications found in his system. If he was seeing a rheumatologist he would have been prescribed certain medications to retard the progression of the disease...also who established he had joint pain?
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

MMJas said:

Masking the pain with medication does not change or halt the progression of arthritis, which is very damaging to the health and mobility of joints. There are medications that can help with the degeneration associated with arthritis, but you do not buy them on the street corner. People who are successfully managing debilitating joint disease see a rheumatologist regularly...

He probably did see a specialist regularly. And maybe he was self medicating with really strong stuff for precisely that reason. Anyway, he was battling joint pain, that much has been established.

[/quote According to the autopsy there were no rheumatoid treating specific medications found in his system. If he was seeing a rheumatologist he would have been prescribed certain medications to retard the progression of the disease...also who established he had joint pain? [Edited 9/21/17 4:48am]

When I said a specialist I did not mean exactly a rheumatologist. As for establishing he had joint pain... many associates commented on that. The autopsy shows he had had surgery. He had various injuries from performing. As time goes by those injuries start flaring up and causing serious disconfort, woulnd't you agree?

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

MMJas said:

Masking the pain with medication does not change or halt the progression of arthritis, which is very damaging to the health and mobility of joints. There are medications that can help with the degeneration associated with arthritis, but you do not buy them on the street corner. People who are successfully managing debilitating joint disease see a rheumatologist regularly...

He probably did see a specialist regularly. And maybe he was self medicating with really strong stuff for precisely that reason. Anyway, he was battling joint pain, that much has been established.

[/quote According to the autopsy there were no rheumatoid treating specific medications found in his system. If he was seeing a rheumatologist he would have been prescribed certain medications to retard the progression of the disease...also who established he had joint pain? [Edited 9/21/17 4:48am]

The autopsy report the public gets to see his the short report. Whatever else was going on with Prince's health we have no access to. Dr. S is currently treating seniors with joint problems. He stated in the search warrent he was seeing Prince for joint issues. Perhaps his treatment for these problems with Dr. S were recent but unless we see Dr. S medical records we will never know what was going on. Dr. S admitted he wrote RXs for Prince under an assumed name if Dr. S did I am sure other doctors did it in the past. We have no way of knowing what other doctors Prince saw or what other Rxs he may have had written for him under different names.

It has been established that he had joint pain from about a dozen people who worked for him, his own comment about surgery in the Ebony article and Dr. S admitting that is what he was treating him for joint pain issues.

laurarichardson said:

I did not know the dr said he was treating him for joint pain, none the less, the tox screen did not show medications specifically related to joint problems in his system at the time of his death, also there are reasons other than joint issues for hip surgery...I think he had health issues, but I don't think anything has been established as fact, there were just as many people that said they had no idea he was having pain issues after his death...to say something was established because he saw a doctor that prescribed pain meds in someone else's name is not established in my mind. To me everything is still conjecture...which Tyka could clear up if she was so inclined

The report from the medical examiner only had to list the cause of death. An incomplete report. Thankfully Minnesota is a state that keeps full autopsy reports private.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

The autopsy report the public gets to see his the short report. Whatever else was going on with Prince's health we have no access to. Dr. S is currently treating seniors with joint problems. He stated in the search warrent he was seeing Prince for joint issues. Perhaps his treatment for these problems with Dr. S were recent but unless we see Dr. S medical records we will never know what was going on. Dr. S admitted he wrote RXs for Prince under an assumed name if Dr. S did I am sure other doctors did it in the past. We have no way of knowing what other doctors Prince saw or what other Rxs he may have had written for him under different names.

It has been established that he had joint pain from about a dozen people who worked for him, his own comment about surgery in the Ebony article and Dr. S admitting that is what he was treating him for joint pain issues.

I did not know the dr said he was treating him for joint pain, none the less, the tox screen did not show medications specifically related to joint problems in his system at the time of his death, also there are reasons other than joint issues for hip surgery...I think he had health issues, but I don't think anything has been established as fact, there were just as many people that said they had no idea he was having pain issues after his death...to say something was established because he saw a doctor that prescribed pain meds in someone else's name is not established in my mind. To me everything is still conjecture...which Tyka could clear up if she was so inclined

Sadly there seems to be no hurry to clarify whatever from the Estate...

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

The autopsy report the public gets to see his the short report. Whatever else was going on with Prince's health we have no access to. Dr. S is currently treating seniors with joint problems. He stated in the search warrent he was seeing Prince for joint issues. Perhaps his treatment for these problems with Dr. S were recent but unless we see Dr. S medical records we will never know what was going on. Dr. S admitted he wrote RXs for Prince under an assumed name if Dr. S did I am sure other doctors did it in the past. We have no way of knowing what other doctors Prince saw or what other Rxs he may have had written for him under different names.

It has been established that he had joint pain from about a dozen people who worked for him, his own comment about surgery in the Ebony article and Dr. S admitting that is what he was treating him for joint pain issues.

I did not know the dr said he was treating him for joint pain, none the less, the tox screen did not show medications specifically related to joint problems in his system at the time of his death, also there are reasons other than joint issues for hip surgery...I think he had health issues, but I don't think anything has been established as fact, there were just as many people that said they had no idea he was having pain issues after his death...to say something was established because he saw a doctor that prescribed pain meds in someone else's name is not established in my mind. To me everything is still conjecture...which Tyka could clear up if she was so inclined

The report we saw is only going to say what killed him. It is not his medical file. If Prince arthietis what would he have been taking other then pain meds especially if he was abusing them. Why would he be taking anything else?

We have at least a dozen people who are saying he had joint problems and some sort of hip surgery. People were saying he had joint pain years before his death with stories going back to 2006 that were known to the public. You can verify this via Goggle.

If Tyka held a press conference tommorow and cleared everything up some still would not believe her. They do not believe that she knew two years ahead that he was going to die even after she said it out of her own mouth.

They do not even believe the 65k on his inventory report for medical expenses is even real.

MMJas said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said: I did not know the dr said he was treating him for joint pain, none the less, the tox screen did not show medications specifically related to joint problems in his system at the time of his death, also there are reasons other than joint issues for hip surgery...I think he had health issues, but I don't think anything has been established as fact, there were just as many people that said they had no idea he was having pain issues after his death...to say something was established because he saw a doctor that prescribed pain meds in someone else's name is not established in my mind. To me everything is still conjecture...which Tyka could clear up if she was so inclined

Sadly there seems to be no hurry to clarify whatever from the Estate...

Maybe when the probate ends. They may have been advised to wait.

ludwig said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I heard he broke his ankle during a concert and that is why there is a scar on his ankle.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1433328/prince-postpones-tour-after-on-stage-accident/

Thanks Ludwig!

I also searched archives and Prince breaking his ankle was also discussed on the org back in the day.

Off with their heads: Big Pharma’s avarice is both appalling, deadly.

Insys Therapeutics, which manufactures the fentanyl drug Subsys, misrepresented the product to get insurers to pay for it, according to the committee’s report. The company sold its product to people who didn’t need and shouldn’t have had access to such a powerful drug.---------

We have known for some time that the pharmaceutical industry in the United States, as demonstrated in one opioid drug distribution story after another — to say nothing of noxious pricing and marketing schemes — is morally and ethically bankrupt.

Now, with the release of a bombshell study and yet another tale of opioid drug marketing gone terribly awry, maybe — just maybe — Congress can demand far more rigid regulations and punitive penalties on Big Pharma so that our country can heal from what has truly become a national crisis.

For background, let’s review the statistics: Drug overdose deaths in 2016, according to the National Center for Health Statistics, continued to climb despite efforts to nurse the overdose epidemic.

Estimates of deaths for the first nine months of 2016 were higher than the first nine months of the previous year. In 2015, the country reached an all-time high of 52,404 drug overdose deaths. Of those, more than 33,000 were attributed to opioid drugs including legal prescription painkillers as well as illicit drugs like heroin and street fentanyl.

The rate of such deaths in the third quarter of 2015 was 16.7 for every 100,000 in population; this year, 19.9.

In West Virginia? The rate is more than double the national average, and down here in coal country, the bodies are piling up. In Wyoming County, the rate is 78 deaths per 100,000 people. Others include Raleigh at 56, Nicholas at 42, Monroe at 44, McDowell at 70, Fayette at 45 and Summers at 37.

So, yes, we have skin in this game.

Add on top of that a report last month in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine that found the number of drug overdoses involving opioids between 2008 and 2014 was underestimated – by about 24 percent.

Against this statistical backdrop comes a report from a Senate committee that details the actions of a major pharmaceutical company that misrepresented and lied about its powerful opioid product for profit, putting people at risk.

Why?

Plain and simple, an insatiable appetite for increased profit margins. In a word: greed – ticker symbol INSY.

Insys Therapeutics, which manufactures the fentanyl drug Subsys, misrepresented the product to get insurers to pay for it, according to the committee’s report. The company sold its product to people who didn’t need and shouldn’t have had access to such a powerful drug.

And then came the damning evidence. Caught on an audio recording, an Insys employee asked a pharmacy benefit manager to order Subsys for a patient who was suffering from back pain and fibromyalgia. This happened repeatedly. Subsys, by the way, was designed as a breakthrough treatment for pain associated with cancer — not back pain, not nerve pain.

Outcome? The patient died of a fentanyl overdose.

Insys was so hell-bent on pushing its pills that employees at its reimbursement center reportedly received financial incentives for pushing pills. Management added sales quotas and individual bonuses to boost sales — no matter the patient outcome.

If this sounds all too familiar, you might recall the dastardly tale of Purdue Pharmacy after it put OxyContin on the market in the mid-1990s, marketing its product as a long-term use for chronic pain.

Purdue, too, was caught in a lie, and as a result of its misleading claims, the company and several of its chief executives were ordered to pay more than $600 million in fines.

Meanwhile, the opioid drug overdose death rate began ticking upwards. And, according to the most recent stats, it moves higher unabated.

In the world of professional sports, if players are caught cheating by using banned substances, they face suspension and, ultimately, expulsion. Entire university sports programs face the “death penalty” from the NCAA if their sins are egregious.

Maybe that is the route Congress could take with the likes of Insys and Purdue: If pharmaceutical companies break agreed upon ethical codes of conduct, off with their heads — shut them down. Entirely.

Medicine should benefit patients and society as a whole. And all patients have a name. The one who died of overdosing on Subsys? Her name was Sarah Fuller. And now she is a statistic — one of a record number of people, all with names, who have died from a drug overdose in the United States in a single year — this year.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

ah ok then i didn't realize there was something they could do before replacement.

--There are alternative procedures. I also wonder if he was not dealing with Arithis. I have in my lower back and some days are tough.

I would believe he battled arthritic pain from living in frigid MN. He was so in love with Minnesota and what if offered him spiritually.. He most certainly could've lived where there's no such thing as wintry weather, but MN had his heart. Sadly, I think in recent years he felt it was he against the world, since he didn't appear to have a lady love to keep him warm, nurture his soul, and remind him he needed to pay attention to himself more. He just kept going and going and behind those dark sunglasses we did not see his pain. He probably ached severely and experienced pain and joint stiffness a lot.

PRNluv2 said:

Sweet words.

ludwig said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I heard he broke his ankle during a concert and that is why there is a scar on his ankle.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1433328/prince-postpones-tour-after-on-stage-accident/

This clip starts when he talks about the ankle/foot incident.

TrcikyChristopher said:

ludwig said:

http://www.mtv.com/news/1433328/prince-postpones-tour-after-on-stage-accident/

This clip starts when he talks about the ankle/foot incident.

Interesting to read that Wendy Melvoin is having hip surgery. You would have thought at some point her and Prince would have reached out to each other if they were both suffering with symptons

mattj said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

This clip starts when he talks about the ankle/foot incident.

Interesting to read that Wendy Melvoin is having hip surgery. You would have thought at some point her and Prince would have reached out to each other if they were both suffering with symptons

It is strange becasue she made some off hand comment about his stituation around the time that he passed so to be fair maybe her stitutaion just came to light recently.

PRNluv2 said:

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said: --There are alternative procedures. I also wonder if he was not dealing with Arithis. I have in my lower back and some days are tough.

I would believe he battled arthritic pain from living in frigid MN. He was so in love with Minnesota and what if offered him spiritually.. He most certainly could've lived where there's no such thing as wintry weather, but MN had his heart. Sadly, I think in recent years he felt it was he against the world, since he didn't appear to have a lady love to keep him warm, nurture his soul, and remind him he needed to pay attention to himself more. He just kept going and going and behind those dark sunglasses we did not see his pain. He probably ached severely and experienced pain and joint stiffness a lot.

"Frigid MN", where many of us live, does not cause arthritis. I've lived here for nearly 35 years(I'm 48 now, and moved between MN and NY in my youth) - including after I was born - and I have no symtoms of it...lol.

And if he wasn't already on tour in another (warmer)part of the world, he clearly could afford to leave or vacation at any time he wanted.

That said when I saw Prince two times at Paisley, just months before he passed away, he appeared to be limping and in some amount of pain when he walked. And he was very thin. Thinner than I had ever seen him(I've seen him live or in person over 50 times). I'm not a doctor - most of us aren't - but I could tell something was very painful in his hips and/or his joints. It's enough to say he was battling chronic pain. I hope he had full hip replacement surgery but it seems he probably didn't. My mom had hip replacement surgery in her 60's and was up and walking within a month and a half, with very little pain.

But... she never jumped off of pianos in high heels or did the splits for 30 plus years.

We will never know for sure what pain he felt or exactly why, but clearly it was enough to be taking very powerful pharmaceutical drugs. The same drugs that took his life

XNY said:

Thanks XNY for sharing your personal account. I appreciate it.

And yes! indeed!!! to the Martha Graham quote!!!

If Prince had arthritis because of living in wintry weather, I can't imagine how Canadians and Alaskans are suffering!!!

PRNluv2 said:

I would believe he battled arthritic pain from living in frigid MN. He was so in love with Minnesota and what if offered him spiritually.. He most certainly could've lived where there's no such thing as wintry weather, but MN had his heart. Sadly, I think in recent years he felt it was he against the world, since he didn't appear to have a lady love to keep him warm, nurture his soul, and remind him he needed to pay attention to himself more. He just kept going and going and behind those dark sunglasses we did not see his pain. He probably ached severely and experienced pain and joint stiffness a lot.

Cold weather does make arthrithis worst it does not cause it to happen. If you read about artirithis it has many forms and can be debilitating. I have it in back and it does get worst in the winter time. I never jumped off anything in heels but I have many family members that delt with arthrithis from very young ages so it in my case it is hereditary.

XNY said:

PRNluv2 said:

I would believe he battled arthritic pain from living in frigid MN. He was so in love with Minnesota and what if offered him spiritually.. He most certainly could've lived where there's no such thing as wintry weather, but MN had his heart. Sadly, I think in recent years he felt it was he against the world, since he didn't appear to have a lady love to keep him warm, nurture his soul, and remind him he needed to pay attention to himself more. He just kept going and going and behind those dark sunglasses we did not see his pain. He probably ached severely and experienced pain and joint stiffness a lot.

"Frigid MN", where many of us live, does not cause arthritis. I've lived here for nearly 35 years(I'm 48 now, and moved between MN and NY in my youth) - including after I was born - and I have no symtoms of it...lol.

And if he wasn't already on tour in another (warmer)part of the world, he clearly could afford to leave or vacation at any time he wanted.

That said when I saw Prince two times at Paisley, just months before he passed away, he appeared to be limping and in some amount of pain when he walked. And he was very thin. Thinner than I had ever seen him(I've seen him live or in person over 50 times). I'm not a doctor - most of us aren't - but I could tell something was very painful in his hips and/or his joints. It's enough to say he was battling chronic pain. I hope he had full hip replacement surgery but it seems he probably didn't. My mom had hip replacement surgery in her 60's and was up and walking within a month and a half, with very little pain.

But... she never jumped off of pianos in high heels or did the splits for 30 plus years.

We will never know for sure what pain he felt or exactly why, but clearly it was enough to be taking very powerful pharmaceutical drugs. The same drugs that took his life

It doesn't matter if he did or not...People on here are gonna swear he had the worst pain in the world. Although he's doing things on the montreaux video that wouldn't be possible functionally needing a hip replacement badly. It usually makes your leg shorter on one side also. I've known many people needing hip replacements and were not able to walk without full walkers. I'm not saying he didn't need one, but maybe to avoid future dibilitating issues. In my state they usually give Ibuprophen and shots. Fentanyl is a bit drastic (The strongest opiate on the planet) 3 salt size flecks can be fatal to some people. It's usually given In patches to control the amount entering your body to prevent od. His were disguised as vicodin, that means he was sneaky or bought off the street. My point is as far as his mobility...it couldn't have been a drastic hip issue. He drops his but down low while playing several times. Has peered through balance while playing and jumping on one leg. Who really knows. He may have had cancer or something that required fentanyl, but we'll never know.

coldasice said:

It doesn't matter if he did or not...People on here are gonna swear he had the worst pain in the world. Although he's doing things on the montreaux video that wouldn't be possible functionally needing a hip replacement badly. It usually makes your leg shorter on one side also. I've known many people needing hip replacements and were not able to walk without full walkers. I'm not saying he didn't need one, but maybe to avoid future dibilitating issues. In my state they usually give Ibuprophen and shots. Fentanyl is a bit drastic (The strongest opiate on the planet) 3 salt size flecks can be fatal to some people. It's usually given In patches to control the amount entering your body to prevent od. His were disguised as vicodin, that means he was sneaky or bought off the street. My point is as far as his mobility...it couldn't have been a drastic hip issue. He drops his but down low while playing several times. Has peered through balance while playing and jumping on one leg. Who really knows. He may have had cancer or something that required fentanyl, but we'll never know.

No one is swearing by anything we can only go by what the associates have said and the fact that Dr. S is currently treating seniors with joint issues and said he was seeing Prince for joint pain.

I doubt the Dr. is making this up and working in this field right now to keep up a joint pain story.

It does not rule out that he may have had other issues. I just came from anthor forum where people are laughing at Lady Ga Ga and her health issues. Most people are straight bitches and if Prince had got on the Emprie State Building and annouced his health issues you would have had people who would not have belived him.

coldasice said:

It doesn't matter if he did or not...People on here are gonna swear he had the worst pain in the world. Although he's doing things on the montreaux video that wouldn't be possible functionally needing a hip replacement badly. It usually makes your leg shorter on one side also. I've known many people needing hip replacements and were not able to walk without full walkers. I'm not saying he didn't need one, but maybe to avoid future dibilitating issues. In my state they usually give Ibuprophen and shots. Fentanyl is a bit drastic (The strongest opiate on the planet) 3 salt size flecks can be fatal to some people. It's usually given In patches to control the amount entering your body to prevent od. His were disguised as vicodin, that means he was sneaky or bought off the street. My point is as far as his mobility...it couldn't have been a drastic hip issue. He drops his but down low while playing several times. Has peered through balance while playing and jumping on one leg. Who really knows. He may have had cancer or something that required fentanyl, but we'll never know.

Just because someone is not limping over or using a cane does not mean they are not in pain. I work at a job were I have to do a lot standing, walking, and bending. My feets and knees are on fire but I still need to work and no one would not know I have an issue if I did not tell them. Don't let the dancing and jumping fool you because I have to do those things even though I was not up to it. No one can swear anything really because the family has not said what was wrong. People do get sick and have health issues. Some think Prince was superhuman. Sickness and health issues is not alway something you can see with your eyes.

purplefam99 said:

PRNluv2 said:

I would believe he battled arthritic pain from living in frigid MN. He was so in love with Minnesota and what if offered him spiritually.. He most certainly could've lived where there's no such thing as wintry weather, but MN had his heart. Sadly, I think in recent years he felt it was he against the world, since he didn't appear to have a lady love to keep him warm, nurture his soul, and remind him he needed to pay attention to himself more. He just kept going and going and behind those dark sunglasses we did not see his pain. He probably ached severely and experienced pain and joint stiffness a lot.

Sweet words.

Nicely said...