I've added my personal fan-context at the end of this, to hopefully justify that I'm not a hater.

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Question: Why do people on this group seem to be gunning for the Estate? I don't get it.

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What's the problem?: Prince earned millions of dollars and fans, seemingly left no will and held back tonnes of material (audio / video / pics) in his vault. When he died, a group of people that were related to Prince inherited his estate. That's fine from a legal point of view and I won't argue with it - good for them.....

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However, people that were very much contributors to that career are left with no influence. I'm talking about people like Susan Rogers, Sheila E and a host of other people that I don't know about. Personally I'm quite miffed at the fact that the Estate is busy squabbling in court with the end game of gaining millions of more dollars - At the end of the day it doesn't matter who releases the music - UMG or WB, just make a deal and release the music! The best I can see it, the ONLY reason that the music hasn't been released is because the Estate wants to maximise it's earning for every deal - hence the squabbles.

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Perfect example of this is "Deliverance" - I love that mini-album, but the only way I could listen was by downloading a torrent - There is no reason why that shouldn't officially be available except for the fact that the Estate wants to maximise it's own earnings.

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So this brings me back to my question... Why the love for the estate? Surely more fans should be pissed off with the estate for not freeing the music.

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On the other hand

Meanwhile track after track of unreleased material is being unofficially released on the internet - I'm astounded with how much amazing studio-quality material I've been able to add to my music c-collection recently. There are

• album remixes
• made up albums (The Dawn),
• album extrapolations (Camille, Crystal Ball, Dream Factory etc)
• catalogues of unreleased music (Blast from the Past v1-v5)
• official tracks that you can't actually buy anwhere
• Live soundboard performances

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Meanwhile, the official channels are giving us what? Moonbeam levels, and a couple of CDs on the back of Purple Rain.

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Why are more people not peeved?

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My Context:

Been a Prince fan since I heard "Alphabet Street" back in 88 - and could afford my first evel LP in 89 (Batman) - been addicted ever since- All my 50+ mix-tapes for my then fiance in the 90s at Manchester University were always built around Prince music, and it was a dream to see him with my now-wife at the Manchester Academy in 2014.

The estate is still in probate, the heirs do anything until that process has finished.

TheEnglishGent said:

The estate is still in probate, the heirs do anything until that process has finished.

Exactly: the whole premise of this thread is false: the estate is ran by business people put in charge of it by a judge, the heirs are family members entitled to it but devoid of any power over it for now (I assume until tax matters are solved since I can't see any other reason why the State would deprive heirs of their property, but this is mere speculation on my part). And part of the estate is still tied to WB by contractual obligations, which doesn't make things any easier.

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Now what the heirs do with the catalogue once they're empowered, we'll see. But right now there's nothing that can be done that isn't being done. The whole Ian Boxill debacle was a pity but Boxill and his label had it coming: it was foolish to believe that anyone who's worked with Prince would be able to release anything under the "Prince" name just like that. It wasn't the case when he was alive, it won't be the case now that he's gone.

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Besides, we've had an album + its singles remastered, a video album remastered, a whole CD of previously unreleased material and a greatest hits package with an unreleased edit and an outtake. I don't find it that bad in the course of 18 months. I'd rather wait more for a serious inventory of what's there to be finished, and whomever is in charge to ask real experts for their input about what to release and how, that to have more rushed releases with sound problems, missing material and erronous liner notes like PR Deluxe. And believe me, I want EVERYTHING out as much as anyone else here. But we have to be reasonable, those things don't get done overnight.

Also, if Prince was still alive, there would be some people complaining about his strategy for releasing albums, maintaining his catalog on TIDAL, his choice of religious faith, clothes, hair, not forming reunions with his former backing bands and whatever perceived slights fans had of Prince that was irrational.

mclihah2 said:

I've added my personal fan-context at the end of this, to hopefully justify that I'm not a hater.

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Question: Why do people on this group seem to be gunning for the Estate? I don't get it.

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What's the problem?: Prince earned millions of dollars and fans, seemingly left no will and held back tonnes of material (audio / video / pics) in his vault. When he died, a group of people that were related to Prince inherited his estate. That's fine from a legal point of view and I won't argue with it - good for them.....

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However, people that were very much contributors to that career are left with no influence. I'm talking about people like Susan Rogers, Sheila E and a host of other people that I don't know about. Personally I'm quite miffed at the fact that the Estate is busy squabbling in court with the end game of gaining millions of more dollars - At the end of the day it doesn't matter who releases the music - UMG or WB, just make a deal and release the music! The best I can see it, the ONLY reason that the music hasn't been released is because the Estate wants to maximise it's earning for every deal - hence the squabbles.

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Perfect example of this is "Deliverance" - I love that mini-album, but the only way I could listen was by downloading a torrent - There is no reason why that shouldn't officially be available except for the fact that the Estate wants to maximise it's own earnings.

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So this brings me back to my question... Why the love for the estate? Surely more fans should be pissed off with the estate for not freeing the music.

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On the other hand

Meanwhile track after track of unreleased material is being unofficially released on the internet - I'm astounded with how much amazing studio-quality material I've been able to add to my music c-collection recently. There are

• album remixes
• made up albums (The Dawn),
• album extrapolations (Camille, Crystal Ball, Dream Factory etc)
• catalogues of unreleased music (Blast from the Past v1-v5)
• official tracks that you can't actually buy anwhere
• Live soundboard performances

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Meanwhile, the official channels are giving us what? Moonbeam levels, and a couple of CDs on the back of Purple Rain.

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Why are more people not peeved?

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My Context:

Been a Prince fan since I heard "Alphabet Street" back in 88 - and could afford my first evel LP in 89 (Batman) - been addicted ever since- All my 50+ mix-tapes for my then fiance in the 90s at Manchester University were always built around Prince music, and it was a dream to see him with my now-wife at the Manchester Academy in 2014.

t the end of the day it doesn't matter who releases the music - UMG or WB, just make a deal and release the music! The best I can see it, the ONLY reason that the music hasn't been released is because the Estate wants to maximise it's earning for every deal - hence the squabbles.

-- It matters who puts out the music because Prince already had a deal with WB. That is what he wanted and you cannot break the contract because some estate manager does not deem it a good deal which the estate already found out.

Perfect example of this is "Deliverance" - I love that mini-album, but the only way I could listen was by downloading a torrent - There is no reason why that shouldn't officially be available except for the fact that the Estate wants to maximise it's own earnings.

Deliverance was stolen. Are you really okay with some dumbass adding stuff to P's music and putting it out so they can make money off it. It is called stealing.

Fans want things done the right way so the estate can make money to continue to release music which will not happen if things are mismanaged and everything has to be sold off in some fire sale.

We have copyright laws and probate to protect the property of the deceased to stop people from exploirting the property. The court has the final say and thank goodness for that.

[Edited 9/18/17 4:38am]

Why would we be frustrated with the Estate? They haven't done anything because all of this is still tied up in the courts. It's not their fault that Prince didn't have a will.

Why should anybody that he worked with have any kind of influence?

And Prince made his own career, if anything he contributed to the others careers....

Appreciate the replies, thank you - So the answer, it seems, is probate - and it takes a long time.... because it takes a long time.

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Fair enough - Let's see what happens when that's over.

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My (admittedly controversial) opinion is that they should release everything in a massive fire sale - Just open the vaults onto one massive searchable online store - Or just have it all available on iTunes et-al. Release a disc a week - and enough people would buy it to justify the cost.

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With a fire sale, talented people can (and would) play around with the music and produce some magic - The cream would rise to the top.

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The sad truth is that Prince is dead, and there's no way that he can benefit from any of this one way or the other, so we may as well let the world benefit by releasing the talent.

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Looking at it another way - I've become more familiar with Prince after his death due to the videos and music that has surfaces since.

mclihah2 said:

Appreciate the replies, thank you - So the answer, it seems, is probate - and it takes a long time.... because it takes a long time.

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Fair enough - Let's see what happens when that's over.

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My (admittedly controversial) opinion is that they should release everything in a massive fire sale - Just open the vaults onto one massive searchable online store - Or just have it all available on iTunes et-al. Release a disc a week - and enough people would buy it to justify the cost.

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With a fire sale, talented people can (and would) play around with the music and produce some magic - The cream would rise to the top.

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The sad truth is that Prince is dead, and there's no way that he can benefit from any of this one way or the other, so we may as well let the world benefit by releasing the talent.

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Looking at it another way - I've become more familiar with Prince after his death due to the videos and music that has surfaces since.

Basically you do not want his family to get any money at all but you realize a fire sale would allow some corporation to make money and to release tired compliantions over and over again.

Do not be so sure that people involved would be talented?

I am sure that at some point the family or whatever business enity they want to work with will dump a lot of material onto streaming sites and disc sets. I firmly believe that when the probate is done we the fans will see material but you do not want it done via a firesale.

laurarichardson said:

Deliverance was stolen. Are you really okay with some dumbass adding stuff to P's music and putting it out so they can make money off it. It is called stealing.

It is unclear to me what really happened.

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Based on what Boxill claimed, he was co-author of all the material. IDK the copyright status of those tracks and IDK why Princevault considers Prince as sole author, but it is to be noted that the estate and judge blocked the release on the basis that Boxill had signed a non-disclosure agreement and a work-for-hire kind of contract stating that all work recorded during those sessions were the sole property of Prince (which I guess basically means that Prince acted as a label by paying for the sessions, and therefore retains ownership of the masters).

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If this is true, what Boxill stole was actually the masters masters, not the work itself (one can consider that as the co-author of the songs, also co-arranger and player on the sessions, he has as much of a right to do something with them as the estate does, and he could indeed stop the estate from releasing the material as well, based on the "first release right" any composer has over their own music).

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If, however, Boxill didn't co-compose the songs as claimed, it is indeed hardly nothing more than stealing Prince's work, unless you consider engineers deserve a co-author status, which I'm pretty sure few people would accept (I certainly wouldn't). However I'm pretty sure this would have been mentioned in the court's decision, unless of course the estate wanted to avoid a legal battle about authorship (it would have been long and complex to establish whether Boxill had co-authored them if Prince hadn't bothered copyrighting them at the time, and it has to be remembered that hundreds ods of outtaked have never been copyrighted even though many of them are out there on bootlegs).

databank said:

laurarichardson said:

Deliverance was stolen. Are you really okay with some dumbass adding stuff to P's music and putting it out so they can make money off it. It is called stealing.

It is unclear to me what really happened.

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Based on what Boxill claimed, he was co-author of all the material. IDK the copyright status of those tracks and IDK why Princevault considers Prince as sole author, but it is to be noted that the estate and judge blocked the release on the basis that Boxill had signed a non-disclosure agreement and a work-for-hire kind of contract stating that all work recorded during those sessions were the sole property of Prince (which I guess basically means that Prince acted as a label by paying for the sessions, and therefore retains ownership of the masters).

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If this is true, what Boxill stole was actually the masters masters, not the work itself (one can consider that as the co-author of the songs, also co-arranger and player on the sessions, he has as much of a right to do something with them as the estate does, and he could indeed stop the estate from releasing the material as well, based on the "first release right" any composer has over their own music).

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If, however, Boxill didn't co-compose the songs as claimed, it is indeed hardly nothing more than stealing Prince's work, unless you consider engineers deserve a co-author status, which I'm pretty sure few people would accept (I certainly wouldn't). However I'm pretty sure this would have been mentioned in the court's decision, unless of course the estate wanted to avoid a legal battle about authorship (it would have been long and complex to establish whether Boxill had co-authored them if Prince hadn't bothered copyrighting them at the time, and it has to be remembered that hundreds ods of outtaked have never been copyrighted even though many of them are out there on bootlegs).

Is Deliverance on sale at I-Tunes right now? Because when you see Ian selling this project you will know that the songs belong to him. Do you really think Prince co-authored these songs with Ian and just forgot about them? A few of his assistans have said it was their job to copyright songs immediately and this is the man that copyrighted everything.

We do not even know if bootlegged stuff was not copyrighted because Prince sure went after bootleggers whenever he could and they got shut down.

I do not think Ian owns anything and I do not think he has the money to fight the estate. Copyright infringement is not a joke. People have faced heavy fines for stealing cable and selling bootlegg movies. Do you think some studio engineer is so loaded with cash that he can fight the estate which is under the directions of a court to protect assests.

Do you know the RMA label that was selling this stuff no longer even has a website up?

mclihah2 said:

Appreciate the replies, thank you - So the answer, it seems, is probate - and it takes a long time.... because it takes a long time.

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Fair enough - Let's see what happens when that's over.

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My (admittedly controversial) opinion is that they should release everything in a massive fire sale - Just open the vaults onto one massive searchable online store - Or just have it all available on iTunes et-al. Release a disc a week - and enough people would buy it to justify the cost.

.

With a fire sale, talented people can (and would) play around with the music and produce some magic - The cream would rise to the top.

.

The sad truth is that Prince is dead, and there's no way that he can benefit from any of this one way or the other, so we may as well let the world benefit by releasing the talent.

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Looking at it another way - I've become more familiar with Prince after his death due to the videos and music that has surfaces since.

Prince's music is worth more then putting in a fire sale, and if you were a fan you'd know that.

Probate takes a long time and in this case with a massive estate like this and no will, it will take a long while.

I'd be up for the fire sale as well. Just release it all; full tracks, stems, whatever. Ultimately I don't give a damn about a lovely box with 2 new tracks and some shitty mastering or endless arguments about which remaster is the best remaster. Obviously it'll never happen though, there's too much money to be made with an endless drip-feed.

jaawwnn said:

ultimately they will be left to deal with...

I completely disagree with the fire sale notion. I think as much, if not more, official music has come out as would have when Prince was alive. (Not to mention the opening of Paisley Park Museum.) If releases are available at that pace I'm certainly cool with it. Not to mention, as was stated, there is so much excellent unofficial stuff out there to hold us over until more official stuff comes out.

I completely disagree with the fire sale notion. I think as much, if not more, official music has come out as would have when Prince was alive. (Not to mention the opening of Paisley Park Museum.) If releases are available at that pace I'm certainly cool with it. Not to mention, as was stated, there is so much excellent unofficial stuff out there to hold us over until more official stuff comes out.

laurarichardson said:

bashraka said:

Also, if Prince was still alive, there would be some people complaining about his strategy for releasing albums, maintaining his catalog on TIDAL, his choice of religious faith, clothes, hair, not forming reunions with his former backing bands and whatever perceived slights fans had of Prince that was irrational.

+1

SOme people are always unhappy - no matter what

databank said:

laurarichardson said:

Is Deliverance on sale at I-Tunes right now? Because when you see Ian selling this project you will know that the songs belong to him. Do you really think Prince co-authored these songs with Ian and just forgot about them? A few of his assistans have said it was their job to copyright songs immediately and this is the man that copyrighted everything.

We do not even know if bootlegged stuff was not copyrighted because Prince sure went after bootleggers whenever he could and they got shut down.

I do not think Ian owns anything and I do not think he has the money to fight the estate. Copyright infringement is not a joke. People have faced heavy fines for stealing cable and selling bootlegg movies. Do you think some studio engineer is so loaded with cash that he can fight the estate which is under the directions of a court to protect assests.

Do you know the RMA label that was selling this stuff no longer even has a website up?

Interesting. I didn't know all of this. However from what I've seen of both Library of Congress and ASCAP lists of registered Prince compositiona, a pretty incredible amount of known songs (including many boots and even a few released songs) were never copyrighted, unless I've missed something, which can always happen.

Did you see any of the Delieverance songs copyrighted for Ian? Don't you think as the estate catalogues the music they will copyright stuff they come across if they find out it is not copyrighted?

What about the list of songs that were attached to his final accounting. I saw songs in that list that have appeared on boots and those songs were in NPG Publishing. What about Girlsongs, Tionna Music, Purple music, Ecnirp music, Controversary Music and Emancipation music.

See the link back when Breamer bank was handling this stuff for him with Controversary Music.

http://www.easysonglicensing.com/pages/help/resources/music-publisher-contact-information.aspx?PublisherID=1598

databank said:

laurarichardson said:

Is Deliverance on sale at I-Tunes right now? Because when you see Ian selling this project you will know that the songs belong to him. Do you really think Prince co-authored these songs with Ian and just forgot about them? A few of his assistans have said it was their job to copyright songs immediately and this is the man that copyrighted everything.

We do not even know if bootlegged stuff was not copyrighted because Prince sure went after bootleggers whenever he could and they got shut down.

I do not think Ian owns anything and I do not think he has the money to fight the estate. Copyright infringement is not a joke. People have faced heavy fines for stealing cable and selling bootlegg movies. Do you think some studio engineer is so loaded with cash that he can fight the estate which is under the directions of a court to protect assests.

Do you know the RMA label that was selling this stuff no longer even has a website up?

Interesting. I didn't know all of this. However from what I've seen of both Library of Congress and ASCAP lists of registered Prince compositiona, a pretty incredible amount of known songs (including many boots and even a few released songs) were never copyrighted, unless I've missed something, which can always happen.

Link showing all of the songs that are now being admin by UMG. If you scroll down there are a lot of tunes I never heard of. So I am sure that what ever was not copyrighted has been taken care of now. As you can see Controversy Music is listed as the Publisher. Songs are under just Prince's name like Batman. Publishing companies like Parisongs with collaborators getting credit and money for their work so we should not hear so much bitching about that.

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https://repertoire.sacem.fr/en/results?filters=parties&query=Prince%20Rogers%20Nelson%20#searchBtn

LAURIANNE

Composer/Author : NELSON PRINCE ROGERS

Publisher : CONTROVERSY MUSIC

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING

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BATMAN

Composer : PRINCE

Author : John L NELSON

Publisher : CONTROVERSY MUSIC, W B MUSIC CORP

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING, SOCIETE P E C F

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FOURTEEN

Composer/Author : FINK MATTHEW ROBERT, LEEDS ERIC J, SEACER JR LEVI, LEWIS JOHN LEO, PRINCE, ESCOVEDO SHEILA

Publisher : PARISONGS

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING

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SIGN O THE TIMES

Composer : FINK MATTHEW ROBERT, LEEDS ERIC J

Composer/Author : PRINCE

Publisher : CONTROVERSY MUSIC

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING

[Edited 9/19/17 5:05am]

rogifan said:

jaawwnn said:

I'd be up for the fire sale as well. Just release it all; full tracks, stems, whatever. Ultimately I don't give a damn about a lovely box with 2 new tracks and some shitty mastering or endless arguments about which remaster is the best remaster. Obviously it'll never happen though, there's too much money to be made with an endless drip-feed.

His music is worth more than a fire sale.

jaawwnn said:

rogifan said:

His music is worth more than a fire sale.

I don't give a fuck what his music is worth if no one ever gets to hear it
[Edited 9/19/17 9:27am]

laurarichardson said:

https://repertoire.sacem.fr/en/results?filters=parties&query=Prince%20Rogers%20Nelson%20#searchBtn

LAURIANNE

Composer/Author : NELSON PRINCE ROGERS

Publisher : CONTROVERSY MUSIC

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING

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BATMAN

Composer : PRINCE

Author : John L NELSON

Publisher : CONTROVERSY MUSIC, W B MUSIC CORP

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING, SOCIETE P E C F

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FOURTEEN

Composer/Author : FINK MATTHEW ROBERT, LEEDS ERIC J, SEACER JR LEVI, LEWIS JOHN LEO, PRINCE, ESCOVEDO SHEILA

Publisher : PARISONGS

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING

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SIGN O THE TIMES

Composer : FINK MATTHEW ROBERT, LEEDS ERIC J

Composer/Author : PRINCE

Publisher : CONTROVERSY MUSIC

Sub-Publisher : UNIVERSAL MCA MUSIC PUBLISHING

[Edited 9/19/17 5:05am]

So I went to the link--getting a full list would take a bit of tinkering, it seems to me, as I haven't found a single search that will pull up everything. Prince Nelson only gets around 100 songs to show up as administered by them, which seems peculiarly small, since they supposedly took over the bulk of his publishing--that includes things by most of the publishing companies that I've known him to use, like Controversy, Parisongs, Girlsongs, NPG, Emancipated--I don't remember seeing Tionna. I haven't pulled up a single Time title. I might not be setting my search right, but Prince Rogers Nelson only gets 90some, dropping Rogers seems to add a few more (some of which ain't Prince)--but there are some titles I've never seen before (besides the Batman score things that incorporated Prince bits into Danny Elfman's work), and several familiar unreleased tracks. Curiously enough, Jamie Starr will net "13 and 1/2"--never saw him credited with that. Nothing else comes up for Mr. Starr, however.

I notice above that Sign o the Times is co-credited to Matt Fink and Eric Leeds--has anyone ever seen that before? I wonder if other changes are happening in the official credits in other songs, and if so what the basis for the changes is.

laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't give a fuck what his music is worth if no one ever gets to hear it
[Edited 9/19/17 9:27am]

We will get to hear it and I still not sure why you think a fire sale would mean you would get to hear anything.

EddieC said:

laurarichardson said:

EddieC said:

So I went to the link--getting a full list would take a bit of tinkering, it seems to me, as I haven't found a single search that will pull up everything. Prince Nelson only gets around 100 songs to show up as administered by them, which seems peculiarly small, since they supposedly took over the bulk of his publishing--that includes things by most of the publishing companies that I've known him to use, like Controversy, Parisongs, Girlsongs, NPG, Emancipated--I don't remember seeing Tionna. I haven't pulled up a single Time title. I might not be setting my search right, but Prince Rogers Nelson only gets 90some, dropping Rogers seems to add a few more (some of which ain't Prince)--but there are some titles I've never seen before (besides the Batman score things that incorporated Prince bits into Danny Elfman's work), and several familiar unreleased tracks. Curiously enough, Jamie Starr will net "13 and 1/2"--never saw him credited with that. Nothing else comes up for Mr. Starr, however.

I notice above that Sign o the Times is co-credited to Matt Fink and Eric Leeds--has anyone ever seen that before? I wonder if other changes are happening in the official credits in other songs, and if so what the basis for the changes is.

I think some of the associates had credit we just did not see it in the album notes. I was able to bring up stuff with just "Prince" as well as "Prince Rogers Nelson" I also found a article from when he started NPG publishing were it is stated that he put some songs in NPG publishing so not all. I firmly believe all his songs were copyrighted under different publishing company names and maybe under different pen names. I am sure that UMG and the estate will make sure to copyright anything they come across. Tionna music is were all the Time songs went.

I'm a little confused: the links leads me to a complete list of 91 random songs only.

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SACEM is the French equivalent to ASCAP or BMI in the States.

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I used to check the ASCAP list back when P's catalogue was still administered by them, and many unreleased songs, as well as a few released ones (internet releases usually) weren't registered. But overall there were something in the lines of 800+ compositions registered, much more than there on SACEM. Also, it is to be noted that certain rap songs using Prince samples were listed among original Prince compositions, which could create confusion about them being genuine outtakes.

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I've never been able to figure out how to access the list of songs registered at the Library Of Congress online. Any help with this would be much appreciated.

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I think it's a mistake with SOTT's credits: Per Nilsen searched the Library of Congress and ASCAP records back in the days and there was never any such finding. Many of us also looked into the ASCAP list and no one ever noticed any such thing. It's likely someone fucked-up at SACEM.

databank said:

laurarichardson said:

EddieC said: I think some of the associates had credit we just did not see it in the album notes. I was able to bring up stuff with just "Prince" as well as "Prince Rogers Nelson" I also found a article from when he started NPG publishing were it is stated that he put some songs in NPG publishing so not all. I firmly believe all his songs were copyrighted under different publishing company names and maybe under different pen names. I am sure that UMG and the estate will make sure to copyright anything they come across. Tionna music is were all the Time songs went.

I'm a little confused: the links leads me to a complete list of 91 random songs only.

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SACEM is the French equivalent to ASCAP or BMI in the States.

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I used to check the ASCAP list back when P's catalogue was still administered by them, and many unreleased songs, as well as a few released ones (internet releases usually) weren't registered. But overall there were something in the lines of 800+ compositions registered, much more than there on SACEM. Also, it is to be noted that certain rap songs using Prince samples were listed among original Prince compositions, which could create confusion about them being genuine outtakes.

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I've never been able to figure out how to access the list of songs registered at the Library Of Congress online. Any help with this would be much appreciated.

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I think it's a mistake with SOTT's credits: Per Nilsen searched the Library of Congress and ASCAP records back in the days and there was never any such finding. Many of us also looked into the ASCAP list and no one ever noticed any such thing. It's likely someone fucked-up at SACEM.

Could be a screw up but why stick certain band members names in and not others why these people. Remember his sister said they had 1800 songs so far. Like I said I am sure if the estate finds that material is not copyrighted they will take care of it now.

I don't love or hate the estate, but I hold zero faith that they will get things together in a way that makes the releasing of the music us true fans want to hear efficient, timely, and worthwhile.

The Purple Rain Deluxe was whatever, it was great to get about four of those songs on the unrealesed disc, but to not include something more, or something since, is a great disappointment.

The court stuff can be resolved if parties want to resolve it, I don't see any interest in that happening. If members of the estate can't even agree on what color was Prince's favorite, how in the hell are they going to work on releasing tons of music? Plus the attack on fans, fan sites, removing of videos, all bad signs of folks not interested in "freeing the music".

My only hope is that the vault gets digitized, and we get our hands on it, and circulate it among the channels we have been circulating a lot of the bootlegs through already. That doesn't mean we won't buy the official releases, as we always do, but some of us ain't going to live forever, so waiting on an estate is not really an option for some of us.