Speaking of making money!


"Money Don't Matter 2 Night" (Spike Lee's version) has been posted


and "Insatiable" "Live 4 Love" and "Willing and Able"


Is CREAM not there? Weird

[Edited 9/15/17 8:51am]

Are they uploading all the videos from the Diamonds and Pearls VHS? Many of these weren't singles.

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Good to see Willing and Able again... it's been a while since I had a VHS player!! Probably my favourite track and video from D&P.

[Edited 9/15/17 9:01am]

OnlyNDaUsa said:

laurarichardson said:

darkroman said:

The estate does not get royalties from YouTube - nobody does.

Monetization only works when commericals are added but only when a commercial is viewed but it must be in it's entirety.

Viewed commercials need to be in the multiple millions before any significant money is earned.

Also, to answer a point above from someone... the videos can be downloaded but only at 480p.

So this is not a revenue source for anyone so once again Prince was correct. Why waste time with a YOUTUBE site that does not bring in money.

Well I certainly wouldn't consider retiring on an income from YouTube.

Also bear in mind any revenue doesn't go to Prince. It goes to Warners to pay debts - assuming unrecouped debts exists. Videos are very typically 50% recoupable as they are a shared liability.

However, YouTube can be considered as a promotional tool if used correctly or as part of a brand awareness or marketing campaign.

Ultimately Prince didn't want to play and he had his reasons and opinions - of which I respect and agree.

so I guess we can expect: Cream, Strollin, and Thunder next week? (I do not think we will get the others)


and then maybe 3 weeks of videos?

darkroman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so I guess we can expect: Cream, Strollin, and Thunder next week? (I do not think we will get the others)


and then maybe 3 weeks of videos?

I hope for videos: The Max, My Name Is Prince (2 versions), The Continental, Love 2 The 9's, The Morning papers & others... I do like surprises...

laurarichardson said:

darkroman said:

Well I certainly wouldn't consider retiring on an income from YouTube.

Also bear in mind any revenue doesn't go to Prince. It goes to Warners to pay debts - assuming unrecouped debts exists. Videos are very typically 50% recoupable as they are a shared liability.

However, YouTube can be considered as a promotional tool if used correctly or as part of a brand awareness or marketing campaign.

Ultimately Prince didn't want to play and he had his reasons and opinions - of which I respect and agree.

Do you mean debt that Prince had with them because I would assume that that was resolved when in left them in 96. Has WB did not get a few extra albums out of him. I hope the estate mangers were not stupid enough to not get any money out of this. [Edited 9/15/17 13:24pm]

Recouping debt is very complicated and not an exact science.

However, for example, all costs must be paid back usually with the exception of initial advances (used for kit and living expenses) and marketing which in some cases is only 50% recoupable.

At the end of a contract the balance sheet isn't settled but sometimes it is written off if the label has no chance of generating revenue. In Prince's case the entire back cataolgue is still generating revenue and the PR deluxe is certainly generating revenue.

A friend of mine had 4 hit singles and never recouped costs and never made money. When the contract was canceled all debt was also canceled.

I am sure Prince's contract has been recouped however ZERO will be paid to the estate until the contract is fully recouped unless there are exceptions stipulated in the contact.

There is a band I like who lately released a 30 year deluxe edition and they recently mentioned in an interview they had finally recouped all costs against the contract! That took 30 years!

Bands have to be careful as every hotel and limo have to be paid for but many young bands just don't have a clue how much they are spending.

Sorry this is going off piste!

[Edited 9/16/17 13:09pm]

YouTube makes money off commercials.

Prince kept his stuff off YouTube because it made zero money for him.

The reason why WB allowed this to happen is for promotion for PR Deluxe and future releases.

IMO this is a sign for future Deluxe releases and remastered classic albums.

james said:

Are they uploading all the videos from the Diamonds and Pearls VHS? Many of these weren't singles.

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Good to see Willing and Able again... it's been a while since I had a VHS player!! Probably my favourite track and video from D&P.

[Edited 9/15/17 9:01am]

IMO, he should've put this version on the album, it's so much cooler.

If I'm not mistaken, so far the only pre-1991 missing vid is PR? I'd assume it's because it's straight from the film and there's a rights issue with WB films? A pity really.

I hope the other MDM2 vid will be posted, as well as the Gett Off maxi and the rest of the DéP home video as suggested above.

After that there isn't much left: Cream, the videos (if we get lucky we'll get the whole bunch from the home video and the extended Continental), 2 Whom It May Concern, Peach, Pink Cashmere, When 2 R In Love from TBA, Dinner With Delores and maybe the TGE vids if WB still holds the right to those (since it was suggested many times that they've lost them), did I forget anything?

And then I fear the channel will be stagnating for a long while

anc282 said:

james said:

Are they uploading all the videos from the Diamonds and Pearls VHS? Many of these weren't singles.

.

Good to see Willing and Able again... it's been a while since I had a VHS player!! Probably my favourite track and video from D&P.

[Edited 9/15/17 9:01am]

IMO, he should've put this version on the album, it's so much cooler.

Given that it was recorded months after the album was released, I fail to see how this could have happened.

databank said:

If I'm not mistaken, so far the only pre-1991 missing vid is PR? I'd assume it's because it's straight from the film and there's a rights issue with WB films? A pity really.

I hope the other MDM2 vid will be posted, as well as the Gett Off maxi and the rest of the DéP home video as suggested above.

After that there isn't much left: Cream, the videos (if we get lucky we'll get the whole bunch from the home video and the extended Continental), 2 Whom It May Concern, Peach, Pink Cashmere, When 2 R In Love from TBA, Dinner With Delores and maybe the TGE vids if WB still holds the right to those (since it was suggested many times that they've lost them), did I forget anything?

And then I fear the channel will be stagnating for a long while

I Wanna Be Your Lover (1st Version)

Would someone please tell the intern to remove that gigantic "next video" banner
that appears in the last 30 seconds of each video ?

The end of Alphabet Street (the "Bambi" look, for Chrissake),
Sign O' The Times and others gets ruined by this useless gizmo.

What about the Gangster Glam video? I love seeing P on his roller-skates!

And there was an alternative 'dance-version' video of one of his D&P tracks which was filmed in the Galpin house (there was a scene which showed his Dad's picture on the mantlepiece, I seem to recall)? Can't for the life of me remember which song - I only saw the video once...

darkroman said:

laurarichardson said:

darkroman said: Do you mean debt that Prince had with them because I would assume that that was resolved when in left them in 96. Has WB did not get a few extra albums out of him. I hope the estate mangers were not stupid enough to not get any money out of this. [Edited 9/15/17 13:24pm]

Recouping debt is very complicated and not an exact science.

However, for example, all costs must be paid back usually with the exception of initial advances (used for kit and living expenses) and marketing which in some cases is only 50% recoupable.

At the end of a contract the balance sheet isn't settled but sometimes it is written off if the label has no chance of generating revenue. In Prince's case the entire back cataolgue is still generating revenue and the PR deluxe is certainly generating revenue.

A friend of mine had 4 hit singles and never recouped costs and never made money. When the contract was canceled all debt was also canceled.

I am sure Prince's contract has been recouped however ZERO will be paid to the estate until the contract is fully recouped unless there are exceptions stipulated in the contact.

There is a band I like who lately released a 30 year deluxe edition and they recently mentioned in an interview they had finally recouped all costs against the contract! That took 30 years!

Bands have to be careful as every hotel and limo have to be paid for but many young bands just don't have a clue how much they are spending.

Sorry this is going off piste!

[Edited 9/16/17 13:09pm]

Recouping debt is complicated because of cooked accounting books. Artist almost never see accurate statements as this has been going on since the beginning of the music industry.

I believe you are wrong about zero being paid to the estate. Prince owes the publishing and master tapes. There was an admendment made to his contract with WB which was referenced in the court docs. We are dealing with a new contract and a new company.

My understanding was from an interview I read many years ago that the executives at WB were furirous with the deal Prince had when he left WB. He basically wallked away without owing them anything but those throw away albums. Keep in mind that he worked cheap and up and til D&P his videos were cheap as hell.

Factor in 20 years and no one even being around from the old WB days to the new WB which has been sold twice to two different equity groups within a decade. Prince was dealing with new company not the old WB.

I do not think he owed WB anything I do think the drama around his leaving hurt his carreer and that was the actual punishment for him not a finacial penalty.

Did you see anyone from the old WB with the exception of Mo Ostein have one comment after he died.

[Edited 9/19/17 4:30am]

Dibblekins said:

What about the Gangster Glam video? I love seeing P on his roller-skates!

And there was an alternative 'dance-version' video of one of his D&P tracks which was filmed in the Galpin house (there was a scene which showed his Dad's picture on the mantlepiece, I seem to recall)? Can't for the life of me remember which song - I only saw the video once...

That would B great indeed. The whole videos of the Gett Off VHS.

darkroman said:

alandail said:

THe estate gets royalties for their play on youtube, they get nothing when people steal them. Either buy them or watch them on youtube, don't steal them.

The estate does not get royalties from YouTube - nobody does.

Monetization only works when commericals are added but only when a commercial is viewed but it must be in it's entirety.

Viewed commercials need to be in the multiple millions before any significant money is earned.

Also, to answer a point above from someone... the videos can be downloaded but only at 480p.

That's not accurate. Youtube does pay some small amount even without ads. The estate could make more money off of youtube by enabling ads.

alandail said:

darkroman said:

The estate does not get royalties from YouTube - nobody does.

Monetization only works when commericals are added but only when a commercial is viewed but it must be in it's entirety.

Viewed commercials need to be in the multiple millions before any significant money is earned.

Also, to answer a point above from someone... the videos can be downloaded but only at 480p.

That's not accurate. Youtube does pay some small amount even without ads. The estate could make more money off of youtube by enabling ads.

Thank you. Not sure why anyone would think these vids would be up on this site without any revenue. I honestly do not understand why this concept is so hart to grasp.

alandail said:

darkroman said:

The estate does not get royalties from YouTube - nobody does.

Monetization only works when commericals are added but only when a commercial is viewed but it must be in it's entirety.

Viewed commercials need to be in the multiple millions before any significant money is earned.

Also, to answer a point above from someone... the videos can be downloaded but only at 480p.

That's not accurate. Youtube does pay some small amount even without ads. The estate could make more money off of youtube by enabling ads.

Ads are enabled on the Prince YouTube channel.

Ads play before the videos (but not each time) and ads sit as an overlay that can be closed.

Question about the long 'Thieves in the Temple' video..Why Robin's face gotta be covered up?

VelvetKittyKat said:

Question about the long 'Thieves in the Temple' video..Why Robin's face gotta be covered up?

Not related - BUT, why is 'G' excluded from the Ingrid Chavez spoken part at the end of 'Alphabet Street' where she goes through the alphabet, A to H, ending with 'I...Luv U'. Was it deliberately edited out, or does Chavez not know her letters?

My son (whose name starts with a G) gets very cross when listening to it, hence my asking the question.

From me, to W.B.:

Release these musicvideos on the Blu-Ray disc Prince-collection "Complete Prince"....


Pleeeassseee.....

Dibblekins said:

VelvetKittyKat said:

Question about the long 'Thieves in the Temple' video..Why Robin's face gotta be covered up?

Not related - BUT, why is 'G' excluded from the Ingrid Chavez spoken part at the end of 'Alphabet Street' where she goes through the alphabet, A to H, ending with 'I...Luv U'. Was it deliberately edited out, or does Chavez not know her letters?

My son (whose name starts with a G) gets very cross when listening to it, hence my asking the question.

It's simple, my gues is (about the letters in Alphabet St.)

Just 1 too many letters, and 1 had to go to end exactly with "I ... Love you",

I am no musicsian, but the rythms, and the "rhymes", maybe it just sounded better like it ended up, with no "G".

My guess..... and I like this little "mistake", Alphabet Street is such a good song - a Prince classic..

thedance said:

Dibblekins said:

Not related - BUT, why is 'G' excluded from the Ingrid Chavez spoken part at the end of 'Alphabet Street' where she goes through the alphabet, A to H, ending with 'I...Luv U'. Was it deliberately edited out, or does Chavez not know her letters?

My son (whose name starts with a G) gets very cross when listening to it, hence my asking the question.

It's simple, my gues is (about the letters in Alphabet St.)

Just 1 too many letters, and 1 had to go to end exactly with "I ... Love you",

I am no musicsian, but the rythms, and the "rhymes", maybe it just sounded better like it ended up, with no "G".

My guess..... and I like this little "mistake", Alphabet Street is such a good song - a Prince classic..

You could be right...But to someone with OCD (more letters, lol) the missing one is too much to bear!

VelvetKittyKat said:

Question about the long 'Thieves in the Temple' video..Why Robin's face gotta be covered up?

I assume so you could not tell if it was Robin or Anna Garcia (or which was which when they were both on screen)

Less than 3 hours left....

thedance said:

Dibblekins said:

Not related - BUT, why is 'G' excluded from the Ingrid Chavez spoken part at the end of 'Alphabet Street' where she goes through the alphabet, A to H, ending with 'I...Luv U'. Was it deliberately edited out, or does Chavez not know her letters?

My son (whose name starts with a G) gets very cross when listening to it, hence my asking the question.

It's simple, my gues is (about the letters in Alphabet St.)

Just 1 too many letters, and 1 had to go to end exactly with "I ... Love you",

I am no musicsian, but the rythms, and the "rhymes", maybe it just sounded better like it ended up, with no "G".

My guess..... and I like this little "mistake", Alphabet Street is such a good song - a Prince classic..

I always thought Prince was leaving out G for God.

oh no they are late! (but this happened a few weeks ago too)


so I assume we will get Cream, Strolin, and Thunder.

And the next 3 weeks the videos

Cream, The Question of U(live), and Money Don't Matter 2 Night (2) uploaded