That is exactly what my sister in law was doing....passing the tissues to me after we both read this thread. We both are die hard Prince fans and can't believe I am still crying after all these months. I am fine most days but then something like this will just hit me and BAM! Instant tears....I just want Prince to be in peace. | |
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Seahorsie said: I finally got to go through Paisley Park last month as a birthday trip from my spouse. It was so dramatic to see the place where he lived and created most of his music for all of us. However, I want to make one small suggestion as far as the tour of the premises.
We had just looked at everything in the beautiful atrium, saw his office, some of his guitars & stage outfits. We were allowed to look into the "little kitchen" where some of the meals and snacks were prepared, as well as where he watched t.v. At that moment, I was right by the French doors leading into this kitchen.
The tour guide said, "Look up at the small rendition of Paisley Park, that is where his ashes are kept." I was standing right under it, and I almost jumped. (Like you were walking on someone's grave.) I don't feel like that is the way to present them, it should probably be at the end of the tour, and given more reverence. That is just one person's opinion; what do you all think?? Hi, I agree with you. I do know that when I made my first visits to PP last October/November, the comments about placement of the urn were provided directly to management. It was suggested that one of the many empty rooms be made into a reflection/meditation room with his ashes and candles. It could also be a room to reflect on his humanitarianism and love for everybody. Visitors could choose whether or not they wanted to visit this area... They wouldnt be forced to see it if they were not ready to see it (much like Graceland). At the time, we were told that the urn being in the house, and perhaps its placement, were either at his or his family's request. I knew that the urn was placed directly in the middle of the atrium before my tour began but if I hadnt known that, I would have been an absolute mess. It would have felt like a gut punch at the wrong time in the tour. Having toured PP again this year, I really dont care for the new urn placement (perched in its clouded glass box over the entry to the little kitchen). It just seems like a poor location choice and dangerous height for his remains. Curiously enough, last year when the urn was visible (in its approx 3X4x1 purple box... I hope the family has the rest of the ashes in a safe place), we felt more of his presence in the home. I definitely felt like he was there. The doves were singing, seemingly happy to remain close to him, etc. This year, it was totally different. The house finally felt like a museum. I dont want to link that 'feeling' to the moving of the urn (or whether his ashes are still in there as theres really no way to know for sure) but something was different in a cold way. Regardless, I still think PP management is doing the best they can. Every time I pass by PP these days, the parking lot is fully packed so, from the looks of it, business is good. I hope the house stays open for a long time for all fans, old and new, for many years to come. | |
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kingricefan said:[quote] I was afraid that a trip to PP would be a sad one, but it was actually a rather uplifting experience for me. Yes, I shed tears while I was waiting in the foyer before our tour even got started and standing beneath the urn, but after that it was more of a cleansing experience and I felt his presence everywhere. I felt his spirit whispering to not be sad and to enjoy what was there as he had enjoyed it himself while he was alive. There will always be a hole in my soul where he and his music had been, but that hole is smaller now and has been filled with joy for what he left us all. I would recommend to any Prince fan to take the trip to PP and experience it for themselves. Each journey will be different but it may help you to overcome your grief somewhat.
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I believe that Prince is at peace. Don't beat yourself up for still being emotional about his passing. We all have our moments. I couldn't even listen to his music after he passed for a couple of months then slowly was able to sit and listen even though it was so very hard. I still have those BAM! moments, too. I have accepted that he is gone but it still does hurt. He's in a better place now and I keep telling myself that which does help.
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Thanks for all the input...was interesting to see what everyone thought. I do think that it would be better to have some type of gravesite for his ashes at the end of the tour, not the beginning. It would be better if fans could visit his grave for free, but some would probably ruin it for everyone. His music will live on forever. Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling... | |
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babynoz said: I didn't see the need to move it in the first place. it was okay where it was. I haven't been there but this seems good to me too. | |
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anangellooksdown said: babynoz said: I didn't see the need to move it in the first place. it was okay where it was. I haven't been there but this seems good to me too. I also understand why it was moved to its current location. Sounds like Prince spent a lot of time in that room and enjoyed the bright natural light. The main entry seems a bit cold? More of a waiting room. I can't see Prince chill'n at the reception desk all that often. Could be wrong. Maybe it could be brought down to eye level an roped off like other items so you can actually see it. | |
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It needs to be placed in its own little alcove somewhere and behind glass so that people won't be tempted to touch it. And it should be at the end of the tour, not at the very beginning. It's hard to comprehend all that you get to see during the tour if you're emotionally upset after seeing the urn and paying respects.
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Perhaps having it at the beginning is a crowd control issue. The groups are
Forced in a polite way to keep moving to accommodate the groups Waiting. Maybe if it were at the end people wouldnt feel like they had to move on and out. That said a quiet room or reflection space dedicated to his urn Would be most lovely. I preferrred the ashes in there spot in October 2016, over the new elevated spot but in some ways up seems safer. But he is all over that place in spirit, you can just feel him everywhere. [Edited 9/4/17 15:50pm] | |
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No, it's not just you. I used to dream of going to PP, but that was when Prince was alive, now I just don't think I'll ever go or want to, because his death is still raw for me, and there are times that I still can't believe that he's gone. I don't want to see the outfits he used to wear, because he's not in them, the guitars he used to play, because he will never play them again, or the place he used to live and make music, because he's no longer there, and never will be again, etc. It's just too sad to me. Prince was so full of life and energy, and I'd rather remember him that way, not be reminded of when he "was" alive. That's just what I feel is best for me, I know that others may feel differently, and that's fine with me. Like you said, just reading this thread and reading about what others said that have visited, made me tear up, and let me know that I'm still not over the man's passing. | |
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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kingricefan that is a very good idea | |
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rdhull said: Do yall REALLY believe that his ashes are there on display? Not one bit...never believed it | |
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me neither, the man was the master of smoke and mirrors, show biz illusion and control...he told Tyka what to do and she did it and it has nothing to do with what the fans are being spoon fed. | |
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Bodhitheblackdog said:
me neither, the man was the master of smoke and mirrors, show biz illusion and control...he told Tyka what to do and she did it and it has nothing to do with what the fans are being spoon fed. I am the same, I truly believe Tyka keeps him on the mantel at home, in the PURPLE (ahem) urn seen at the funeral service. I believe she had that tacky PP model made up purely as a display piece for the public to focus on | |
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I did the VIP tour of Paisley Park a few weeks ago and for whatever reason I did not know in advance that his urn/ashes were there. I knew about the replica of Paisley Park that his ashes were buried in from articles I'd read, but I guess it never occurred to me that I'd be seeing that as a part of the tour - even the VIP tour. (And for the record, while I understand the cynicism that some of you have as to whether or not his ashes are really in there, I'm not going to waste energy on the thought of a ruse. I would like to believe that everything my awesome tour guide told me was accurate.)
The EXACT SAME THING that happened to "Seahorsie" is what happened to me. I was staring in the kitchenette area right underneath the little plexiglass shelf the remains are sitting on, when suddenly our guide told us to look up and explained what was there. My knees buckled and I have to say - I almost passed out. I was caught completely by surprise and also shocked that this would be happening at the beginning of the tour, much less at all.
I can see the case that some of you make for moving his resting place to a different spot, at least from the standpoint that the current location is indeed very difficult to see. The little ledge around the semi-circle shelf it sits in blocks full view of the mini Paisley Park, as the shelf is frosted and not completely clear. And yet there was something fitting to me about him being "buried in the air." The guide points out the cloud walls and the painted (and real) doves in the atrium, and the skylights.It seems fitting to me, like even his earthly remains are ascending. Perhaps I'm too poetic about it, or just trying to make sense of something that is still shockingly unbelievable to me all these months later.
So much is made of the fact that it was Prince's favorite space in Paisley Park. What other space would be better? And you can't exactly bypass the atrium to end the tour with it...knowing his earthly remains were on site lent some reverence and gravitas to the tour, I thought. I had time to process this information over the course of the whole tour, instead of just finding out at the end and then being told I had 10 minutes to get out of the parking lot. So I think I like it where it is, though I wish it was slightly repositioned for better visibility. | |
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Thank you for this.
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I hope to get to Paisley Park someday. When I read your post my heart sunk a bit. I would have thought they would have constructed a room for his ashes away from the tour and if people chose to go in they could if they didn't then at least they had the choice. Not hanging him and only finding out when your underneath them. That is poor taste. Not sure Prince would like that. | |
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Thank you for your post kingricefan. I have accepted he is gone but I have to be reminded sometimes that in his transition he is really in a better place. No more pain and him being with his family and friends that passed before him moves me to happy tears now. Words can not explain the grief I have felt with Prince passing. To be honest it has completely caught me off guard. I can not explain why I took his passing so hard and it was so personal for me even though I have only seen him in concert once. I am hoping this summer I can make the trip to Paisley Park to pay proper respect to Prince. | |
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Beautiful, spiritually-moving description. Thank you for posting.
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Prince became the soundtrack to my life after Controversy was released way back in the day. His music was always there for me. I would be first in line at the wrecka sto when a new Prince album or song (loved those extended mixes with the B side songs on them!) was released. I would sit and listen to all of them and contemplate just exactly what he was singing about. I used to wait with bated breath for every television appearance. Prince and his music touched my soul in a way that no other artist ever had before or since. His passing left a hole in me that won't ever be filled but has become smaller and managable. I don't know how long you were a fan but if an artist touches your soul then they become a part of you and are a friend and when a friend passes it hurts. We all have grieved and some of us will take longer to 'get there' than others. Be patient with yourself and let your grief out. I highly recommend a trip to Paisley Park and be sure to take the VIP tour!!!
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probably would have made more sense to present it more somber. When I was there we were told where it was presented by a moment of silence. i thought it was done tastefully...and we dont actually get to SEE it. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Don't want 2 b rude 2 Prince but....I'm sorry, that urn is just NOT pretty!!! | |
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Seahorsie said: I finally got to go through Paisley Park last month as a birthday trip from my spouse. It was so dramatic to see the place where he lived and created most of his music for all of us. However, I want to make one small suggestion as far as the tour of the premises.
We had just looked at everything in the beautiful atrium, saw his office, some of his guitars & stage outfits. We were allowed to look into the "little kitchen" where some of the meals and snacks were prepared, as well as where he watched t.v. At that moment, I was right by the French doors leading into this kitchen.
The tour guide said, "Look up at the small rendition of Paisley Park, that is where his ashes are kept." I was standing right under it, and I almost jumped. (Like you were walking on someone's grave.) I don't feel like that is the way to present them, it should probably be at the end of the tour, and given more reverence. That is just one person's opinion; what do you all think?? When I went, the guide was really respectful and had a moment of silence. She very tenderly told the group his ashes were there before the moment of silence. I loved her. | |
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even in death there's criticism...smh "Climb in my fur." | |
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Are his ashes secure? I would fear some fam snatching them. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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This is what our guide did also. It was just the right amount of compassion and respect for him and for us. She actually stepped away from us and stayed back to the side for about a minute. She really was appreciative of her job as she was a big Prince fan and was very happy to be working at PP.
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I agree. There had to be a will! Maybe someone didn't like what it had to say and did away with it. I have a family member who did that once. He didn't like that he wasn't in it and when he found it he destroyed it so he would have an equal share. Equal share was more than the nothing he'd been left. We found this out after he passed. It is possible that someone have a will and it can go missing if there is not a lawyer to stand up and say so. | |
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You think Prince drew up a will without a lawyer, or the lawyer who did the will died and they worked in a one person shop so that is why no one from the lawyer's office stepped up to say there was a will? Or that the family paid the lawyer off to not step forward? | |
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